Bobby Jindal, who is mentioned as a possible McCain VP pick, denies that Hurricane katrina led to oil spills. But, hey, if that narrative helps push the desire to drill drill drill, does it matter?
h/t Think Progress
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Cheryl Carroll is perpetuating a fraud claiming that 4.8 million barrels of additional oil can be produced from the 68 million acres of non-producing leases. The 4.8 million figure is completely bogus because the method to derive the amount is a total fraud.
The fraud was created by the House Committee on Natural Resources, with their June 2008 special report, which was released 18 June 2008. The report provides neither data.or method. I had been trying for 10 weeks to obtain the method. On the rare occasion when someone at CNR would answer the telephone, I was shuffled off to someone else resulting in voice mail and never a return call. Previous attempts through Rahall’s office were always back to the CNR switchboard. This time I told Rahall’s district staffer I had been trying for 10 weeks and that I watched Rahall on CSPAN talk about this great openness that now exists.
The confirmation as to the CNR method was from Katherine Romans, Policy Section, House Committee on Natural Resources. The confirmation started with a 25 September 2008 telephone call to her that was made via Rahall’s district office. I finally came up with the method on my own and Ms Romans confirmed that I was correct in her 26 Sepember 2008 email to me, which is below
The Method
– created a percentage of non-producing acreage to producing acreage for the two lease types, onshore and offshore
- multiplied each percentage by the amount of daily production from each of the two lease types that produce oil
- added the two numbers together
The method is fraud for no one in oil and gas or the government agencies that provide production estimates to the government (US Geological Survey, Energy Information Administration, Minerals Management Service) would ever use such a method. Production estimates are based on estimated reserves, which Mr Feldgus did not use. Production estimates are always given with a low, mean and high amounts, which reflects the uncertainty yet Mr Feldgus issued a single number, which denotes certainty. Production estimates are uncertain because the amount of oil is uncertain and is reflected in reserves being comprised also of three amounts of low, mean and high. The difference between high and low are in the billions of barrels. As a professional staffer who deals with energy matter, Mr Feldgus knows how production estimates are made and why so for him use the method that he did is fraud and he knows it.
The amount and method was the creation of Steve Fledgus, staffer on the CNR subcommittee on Energy and Natural Resources. On the afternoon of 2 September 2008, Debroah (subcommittee Energy and Minerals) confirmed to me, by telephone, that the data came from Materials Management Service but did not say what the data was. I called back the same afternoon to the subcommittee and spoke to one of the other two subcommittee female staffers who said Steve Feldgus did the work. I left a voice mail twice with Mr Feldgus for the method but did not return my telephone call.
America can not continue using oil as we have and we can not produce enough oil to get us to energy independance. New sources of energy are needed as well as increased efficiencies. But oil and gas will still be the dominate sources even in 2030, according to the Energy Information Administration and even the Wilderness Society.
Though I live in Houston, I do not work in oil and gas and I am not an operative for any group. I am one citizen who delved deeply into the condition of our nation’s oil and gas.
Partisan politics is the way the system works because there are different views on issues but that does not give anyone in Congress the right to lie and perpetrate a fraud to further any cause.
Cheryl Carroll:
Also see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYPFbVL8pcE
MTP: Joe Biden Discusses Off Shore Drilling Issue
Chery Carroll:
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20080627/COLUMNISTS/806270331
tdro~ can you please cite your source? i’m trying to put together some information on this. thanks.
ExxonMobil is sitting on 29 billion barrels of proven reserves, Chevron, 9 billion, BP Oil claims to have 10 billion in reserves.
Instead of drilling, why not use the reserves we have?
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What is wrong with these people? Our nation is not productive when we’re basing policy on LIES.
I have no problem with drilling. I want to see a simultaneous effort to “drill here, drill now” with a dedicated effort to develop oil alternatives. I would also like to see ANWR drilled. But lying about “major” oil spills after Katrina and Rita creates controversy that turns people AWAY from more drilling. Jindal should have cited those spills, and stated what has been done to prevent future spills of that nature (and, let’s also remember that the scale of those particular hurricanes was so massive, that no company can be blamed for the damage they caused). Conservatives should be talking about how clean and safe current drilling techniques are.
June 28th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
There were spills at refineries and storage sites onshore. There were no spills from offshore drilling platforms.
June 28th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Well, considering the things I’ve heard about New Orleans post-Katrina, I think it’s remarkable that the governor of Louisiana is actually aware that a hurricane hit the city.
As for drilling, who cares? Put a rig in my backyard. Surround the Washington Monument with rigs. Line both coasts from the Arctic Circle to the Equator. If the caribou don’t like it, move the caribou someplace else. It’s irrelevant. Let the oil corps make all the money they want. Meanwhile, the rest of us better get to work and figure out what the hell we’re gonna do when the oil runs out.
June 28th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Let’s see the current Louisiana governor was not the governor when Katrina hit, so he might not been completely aware what all happened. Prior to this new governor, politics in Louisiana was quite messy to put it mildly. If you thought Washington politics were bad, then it was nothing compared to Louisana politics has been in the past.
June 28th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
The oil companies already have land they can drill on – they chose not to. Obviously the big oil companies are trying to buy up all the land so they can have a monopoly and they need to do it before George Bush leaves office (he and his dad have interest in oil). Their excuse to the public for the high gas prices is “supply and demand”, but we all know they mean “either give us all the land we want or we will keep raising prices.
I’m afraid the U.S. may cave to their demands and the ecology will suffer.
June 28th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
poop…
June 29th, 2008 at 1:33 am
“…politics in Louisiana was quite messy to put it mildly…”
Okay, well, my impression is that New Orleans has been a great party town with all kinds of cultural attractions, as well as a putrid stinkhole of corruption worthy of any third world banana republic, beginning right at city hall and spreading like a cancer in all directions, perhaps right up to and including the governor’s office.
I wasn’t going to be graphic about it, because what do I know about anything, but I wouldn’t want anyone to think I was singling out the current governor in my post, just above.
June 29th, 2008 at 2:03 am
Drilling for oil… Conservatives are for it, liberals are against it. The nation wants it. Once again, the liberals aren’t representing the nation.
June 29th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Bozak~ The majority of liberals choose to belong to the Democratic Party of the United States of America. The Democratic Party represents those members of our nation who believe in their platform. Sounds to me like the liberals DO represent a part of the nation, just like the other political parties do.
June 29th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
RC, sorry if you thought I was singling your post out. I was not.
I have family and friends who live in Louisiana who just happen to in harms way of Katrina. They were excited to get a new governor. I have heard of problems in Louisiana and it’s parishes that have nothing to do with Katrina.
June 29th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
We need to be drilling AND investigating as many new methods as possible all at the same time. Cover all bases.
ANWR specifically…who cares? If environmental extremists don’t want us there, we can go other places.
Obama will have a very difficult time winning if prices continue to climb and he continues to be against offshore drilling. Of course, he risks looking like a flip-flopper if he changes his position.
June 29th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Read this-
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20080627/COLUMNISTS/806270331
June 29th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Thanks for the link, LV!
I’m currently trying to put together information about why the oil companies aren’t drilling in the land they already have. So far it looks like:
1. Holding these land leases are counted as assets on their balance sheets.
2. The have made efforts to drill in these areas, but until they find oil in a particular spot, it’s still considered undeveloped land (or something like that… I’m still working on the research).
June 30th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Hmmm Cheryl, I hadn’t heard the first one. I’ve heard that geologists have told them there’s not enough oil to bother drilling, but I honestly don’t know what to believe anymore with these asses. We’re being lied to left n right. Oh, have you heard about kickthemallout.com? Cool site.
June 30th, 2008 at 3:16 am
Flap, I still say the first party to pacify us by mid October will win. Let’s see who it is and let’s hope the voters don’t forget the hell they’re putting us through.
June 30th, 2008 at 3:17 am
here are a few good sources:
start with this c-span link, and click through to the right-
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77531&id=8589345
June 30th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
the following excerpt is from:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5111184
“The aggressive leasing of public land pushed by the Bush administration is a land grab, pure and simple, giving industry more and more control over public land while costing taxpayers millions of dollars,” said Peter Morton, a resource economist with the Wilderness Society.
Morton said the leases, which companies can lock up for 10 years with annual rents of only $2 to $3 an acre, are an economic boon to some companies because they count as assets that can make debt refinancing easier while also attracting potential investors.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
from the committee of national resources:
http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=389&Itemid=1
The 68 million acres of leased but inactive federal land have the potential to produce an additional 4.8 million barrels of oil and 44.7 billion cubic feet of natural gas each day. This would nearly double total U.S. oil production, and increase natural gas production by 75 percent. It would also cut U.S. oil imports by more than one-third, reducing America’s dependency on foreign oil.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
looks like an interesting website, LV. i’ll check it out
June 30th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
ExxonMobil is sitting on 29 billion barrels of proven reserves, Chevron, 9 billion, BP Oil claims to have 10 billion in reserves.
Instead of drilling, why not use the reserves we have?
June 30th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
tdro~ can you please cite your source? i’m trying to put together some information on this. thanks.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Chery Carroll:
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20080627/COLUMNISTS/806270331
June 30th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Cheryl Carroll:
Also see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYPFbVL8pcE
MTP: Joe Biden Discusses Off Shore Drilling Issue
June 30th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Cheryl Carroll is perpetuating a fraud claiming that 4.8 million barrels of additional oil can be produced from the 68 million acres of non-producing leases. The 4.8 million figure is completely bogus because the method to derive the amount is a total fraud.
The fraud was created by the House Committee on Natural Resources, with their June 2008 special report, which was released 18 June 2008. The report provides neither data.or method. I had been trying for 10 weeks to obtain the method. On the rare occasion when someone at CNR would answer the telephone, I was shuffled off to someone else resulting in voice mail and never a return call. Previous attempts through Rahall’s office were always back to the CNR switchboard. This time I told Rahall’s district staffer I had been trying for 10 weeks and that I watched Rahall on CSPAN talk about this great openness that now exists.
The confirmation as to the CNR method was from Katherine Romans, Policy Section, House Committee on Natural Resources. The confirmation started with a 25 September 2008 telephone call to her that was made via Rahall’s district office. I finally came up with the method on my own and Ms Romans confirmed that I was correct in her 26 Sepember 2008 email to me, which is below
The Method
– created a percentage of non-producing acreage to producing acreage for the two lease types, onshore and offshore
- multiplied each percentage by the amount of daily production from each of the two lease types that produce oil
- added the two numbers together
The method is fraud for no one in oil and gas or the government agencies that provide production estimates to the government (US Geological Survey, Energy Information Administration, Minerals Management Service) would ever use such a method. Production estimates are based on estimated reserves, which Mr Feldgus did not use. Production estimates are always given with a low, mean and high amounts, which reflects the uncertainty yet Mr Feldgus issued a single number, which denotes certainty. Production estimates are uncertain because the amount of oil is uncertain and is reflected in reserves being comprised also of three amounts of low, mean and high. The difference between high and low are in the billions of barrels. As a professional staffer who deals with energy matter, Mr Feldgus knows how production estimates are made and why so for him use the method that he did is fraud and he knows it.
The amount and method was the creation of Steve Fledgus, staffer on the CNR subcommittee on Energy and Natural Resources. On the afternoon of 2 September 2008, Debroah (subcommittee Energy and Minerals) confirmed to me, by telephone, that the data came from Materials Management Service but did not say what the data was. I called back the same afternoon to the subcommittee and spoke to one of the other two subcommittee female staffers who said Steve Feldgus did the work. I left a voice mail twice with Mr Feldgus for the method but did not return my telephone call.
America can not continue using oil as we have and we can not produce enough oil to get us to energy independance. New sources of energy are needed as well as increased efficiencies. But oil and gas will still be the dominate sources even in 2030, according to the Energy Information Administration and even the Wilderness Society.
Though I live in Houston, I do not work in oil and gas and I am not an operative for any group. I am one citizen who delved deeply into the condition of our nation’s oil and gas.
Partisan politics is the way the system works because there are different views on issues but that does not give anyone in Congress the right to lie and perpetrate a fraud to further any cause.
October 29th, 2008 at 5:42 pm