Email From a Patriot
From: Robert
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:46 PM
To: alan@alan.com
Subject: great show!I just would like to tell you how much I dislike you. First of all, my address is *********** TX. You may want to know this for the record in the event you have a backbone. Being the liberal pussy that you are, I doubt that you do… I watch Fox news and the H & C show pretty much every day and up until now, I have been able to reconcile why Fox has your pussy ass as a marker for Hannity, but I just can take hearing your stupid liberal (wrong) views any longer. I can’t stand looking at your skinny, emaciated, fagot ass any more. I am sure that Fox pays you stupid money for being the token liberal, but I think it is time for you to move along to CNBC, NBC or ABC. You would be a nice complement to the idiot talking heads that produce the daily O’slama endorsements on the network morning shows. It would give me great pleasure to physically stomp your ass into a mud hole. Come on down and let me show you some good old Texas hospitality…..fagot.
Robert
From: Alan
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:21 PM
To: Robert
Subject: RE: great show!
Mr. ****,
Don’t be such a girl.
Alan
I am not necessarily against fighting, but why the physical challenge? Does that mean Robert is correct in his views if he can pin Alan Colmes on a 3 count?
July 11th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Mr. Colmes,
I am sorry to tell you that EVERYTHING you talk about & what you seems so strongly to believe in is all wrong. You must have never been taught right from wrong that’s unfortunate. It is not too late for you to learn – what are you about 65? My great grandmother is older than you & she just learned to email. If you seriously intend to vote for Obama – I will pray for you! I will watch H & C everyday and hope to hear you announce that you have changed you mind & McCain will get your vote due to a change of heart & for the goodness of our country. I am sorry for you bad judgements & beliefs – Obama will never win 2008 I hope you know that – Good Luck to You & Best Wishes!
July 12th, 2008 at 1:01 am
“I watch Fox news and the H & C show pretty much every day …”
Ah, the common thread all ColmesHaters and BushLovers share. If he could squeeze a little time into his schedule for el Rushbo, the picture would be even more complete.
Texans are all a bunch of pansies. No state in the union has more strip joints than Texas and we all know what that really means … Texans are over compensating for their closeted gay desires.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:27 am
>Don’t be such a girl.
I sincerely hope you’re not revealing a latent sexism, Mr. Colmes.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:33 am
so are you a fagot – “a bundle of sticks, twigs, or branches bound together and used as fuel, a fascine, a torch” or a faggot – “homosexual”? ahhhhh nothing better than an E-thug. “move to CNBC, NBC, or ABC.” ha ha. ya they’re so liberal aren’t they. they sold the crap out of the war in Iraq and Clintons sex scandal. yeppers LIBERAL they are. HA! takes a BIG man to go after a “skinny, emaciated, pussy, no back bone guy” guess he doesnt like a challenge huh? invite him on your show, see how smart he really is
July 12th, 2008 at 10:06 am
“I am not necessarily against fighting, but why the physical challenge? Does that mean Robert is correct in his views if he can pin Alan Colmes on a 3 count?”
great question, Flap. i think that many people feel this is the case. if they can out talk or out fight you, then they and they’re opinions are the right ones to have… bc God gives them the VICTORY!
“Texans are all a bunch of pansies. No state in the union has more strip joints than Texas and we all know what that really means … Texans are over compensating for their closeted gay desires.”
be nice, ‘Mouse. there are lots of good Texans out there. besides, Bush isn’t even a real Texan. he picked the accent up while working for Daddy’s company.
this email is pretty foul.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:28 am
“I sincerely hope you’re not revealing a latent sexism, Mr. Colmes.
by Chris July 12, 2008 at 6:33 am”
LOL.. The funny thing about Leftists is that this could be 1 – meant as a joke or 2 – totally sincere.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:38 am
btw, i think the “don’t be such a girl” response is quite appropriate for such a violent man. he probably slammed his fist into his computer screen when he read it.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:43 am
vince~ i’ve been looking through your website. i haven’t read everything, but i kind of get the impression that you have a real dislike for muslims. is that an accurate impressio?
July 12th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Robert, if you are going to insult people, learn to spell. Of course, you probably didn’t graduate high school after the town exiled you after you had sex with your cousin…
July 12th, 2008 at 11:07 am
I despise Islam and anyone who decides to carry out it’s ideology of coercision, hatred and conquest.
There are many Muslims who do not hold to that aspect of their religion.
So there’s a distinction.. there’s Islam, the ideology.. and Muslims, the people.
I oppose Muslims who adhere to the worst parts of Islam. As for the other Muslims I do think they have an obligation to reform their religion.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Hell yeah Vinnie Pee! Muslims are pigs aren’t they? Let me guess you think little baby Jesus is the way to go. You sure are a tolerant person aren’t you?
July 12th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Fury is like those grand Progressives in the past who thought the Soviet Union was the way of the future.
I guess the Left thinks that it’s wrong for a person to be against an ideology which calls for the enslavement of women, the genocide of Jews, and the conquering of the world.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
I am not anti-Muslim but I am anti-Muslim extremist. I also do think that the history of Islam is pretty clear concerning world conquest and domination.
Vince brings up a good point about being against the religion but not the people. I mean, I’m not exactly a fan of Catholic doctrine but I like Sean Hannity, a Catholic. I don’t hate people. I wasn’t brought up that way and since we are all creations of God I can’t hate what God creates…EVEN liberals! :-P
Fury, it has nothing to do with Christianity. That shows YOUR bias against Christians. You immediately slam Jesus. Many atheists fully recognize the violent tendencies of Islam.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
This is your average FOX (Fix) viewer writing Alan his two cents. It sounds like Alan should notify the authorities. It sounds like a threat if Alan plans to visit Texas. This letter makes things look bad for Texas. It must be a letter from Hank Hill himself.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Hey you stupid jackasses, Islam isn’t the only religion with violence in it’s history. The Crusades, The Inquisition, abortion clinic bombers. Just saying Islam is a violent religion, no exceptions is a narrow view.
Fury is like those grand Progressives in the past who thought the Soviet Union was the way of the future.
Aren’t you conservatives the ones that are for our freedoms disappearing in the name of fighting terrorism? Less rights for citizens was the Soviet Union. Insult me, fine. Just try to sound like you know what you’re talking about…
July 12th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Vinne got owned!
July 12th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Islam is a hard religion to follow. Not only you have the Quran with both the translation, which Muslims say can be misleading, but the original Arabic text, which Muslims rely upon, but also you have the Hadiths (sayings) of the prophet Muhammad. Try just praying five times a day. You forget to do so on a daily basis. There’s charity. Then, there’s Ramadan with a month of fasting. You fast during the daylight hours from sun up to sundown. You may not eat. You may drink anything, including water. Then there the hajj, but only if you able to go on this hajj and in today’s world, you can go if you can financially afford it. Many observant Muslims have been concerned about how expensive the trip has become lately. The religion is not the issue I have. It is these terrorists who claim to adhere to it, excusing the actions they want to pursue. Also, these royal Saudi families who have violated the religion’s tenets. They have no problem with usury. As many as four wives is all a man can marry. But, the royal Saudis marry as many as they want to, while the average Muslim man from, let’s say, the Comoros Islands, cannot afford to take of four wives. So, they settle for just one. And one wife is permitted in Islam.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
I got “owned” because he changed the subject, and that he is an idiot?
That confirms what I wrote in another thread.
Lefties think someone scores when they make a comment at someone that is filled with piss and vinegar and that the comment’s truthfullness or relevency is of no concern.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Please, Fury, more people were killed on 9/11 than during the whole Spanish Inquisition. The Crusades had two sides fighting, both Muslim and Christian. Difference is, Christians were trying to RECAPTURE stuff taken by Islamists. Christianity doesn’t compare to the world-conquesting religion of Islam. Islam in *pure* form is a very violent religion. Westernized Muslims aren’t violent. I have nothing against people who are peace-loving.
Who said I’m for freedoms disappearing? Wiretapping overseas terrorists infringes on my freedom? Cops putting up a roadblock also infringes on my freedom to go down that road…should I complain about that?
And you’re a jackass, too.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
BTW.. Since Fury brought this up..
More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined
Does Fury say anything about the 2,450 Inquisitsions that have happened since 9/11. Nope. So why should anyone take him seriously when he complains about just 1.
And the Crusades was a REACTION to almost 400 YEARS of continious agression by the Muslims into Europe.
That’s right.. it took about 400 years for Europe to finally respond because the Muslims were steadily destroying the defenses of the Eastern Roman Empire.
And Fury thinks it was a bad thing.
What is wrong with these morally bankrupt people?
All I know is that Fury and his ilk should have been born somewhere else and made to live in a life of misery .. they have so much disdain for America and yet receive all of its benefits. And meanwhile Billions of people have miserable lives and would die to live here.
They’re living with the scorge of cultures that have been decimated by Islam and he defends the barbarian way of life.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Here are some descriptions of events that occured when the Arab Muslims started to invade Christian and Jewish lands in the Middle East… these things went on for 400 years by the times of the Crusades. The Europeans were scared to death what might happen to their homelands if the Muslims breached their borders.
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As the years went on, things got worse and worse
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9, around 1000AD
10 This is a good one.. things were getting so bad that people thought the end of the world was coming because the brutality and savagery was too much.
So yeah. Just like a abortion clinic bombing! /sarc
You defend a religion that motivated all of what I just typed. (And yes Islam is directly responsible, because Arabs NEVER waged aggressive warfare outside the Arabic peninsula ever.. until Mohemmed invented his religion of death)
It’s repugnant
July 12th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
When the Muslims where Borgifying Persia this is how they behaved. (Which by the way , is exactly what they’re doing in Europe right now)
And in the late 1700s, after US Independence , the Muslim North African states declared Jihad on the US and started attacking the American commercial ships that were in the Mediterrean.
Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with the Libyan Ambassader in London . They asked him why should they be attacking America when America had done nothign to them and had only peace in mind.
In the report sent to Congress by Jefferson, the answer from the Ambassador was:
And that’s the same view they hold to this day.
Yes, I attack islam.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Shut your Fucking Face, Unclefucker…
July 12th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
I assume everyone is thinking that this kind of discourse makes the other person see their point more clearly?
July 12th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Fury:
Tell Wafa Sultan to Shut the Fuck Up.
You “Progressives” care about women, don’t you?
Listen to her and tell her to shut the fuck up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up3yuQDAWKQ
July 12th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
“I am sure that Fox pays you stupid money for being the token liberal…”
Crikey! Gimme some o’ that stupid money!
July 12th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
vince said~
“I guess the Left thinks that it’s wrong for a person to be against an ideology…”
vince, with all due respect, it really appears that you HATE muslims AND islam, period.
flap said~
“And you’re a jackass, too.”
holy shit! if you got flap to cuss, i KNOW he’s pissed. dang!
July 12th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
vince~ have you seen the movie THE KINGDOM, starring Jamie Foxx?
July 12th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Cheryl: Please explain how it is hateful to relate history.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I have not seen that movie.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I’ll tell you how it is hateful to “relate history” when you do it Vince. It is hateful because your only purpose in doing so, as in many of your other posts for awhile now, is to drum up as much fear and hatred as possible for all Muslims and Islam as a religion, pure and simple. I think that is your only reason for being on this blog in the first place.
In the 1990’s a friend of mine spent 2 summers with a Muslim family in Morocco. My friend was a Jew and this Muslim family was well aware of that fact. This family, as well as the entire village, took him in and practically adopted him. They tended to his every need. He was so accepted by these people that they allowed him to attend their religious rituals and to record their accompanying music which he later released as an album of Sufi music.
He was a JEW and these Muslims called him their BROTHER. And this is not the only tale that can be told about such hospitality, there are many more.
Extreme radical Muslims are the minority and they are dangerous and need to be dealt with. There are also non-violent fundamentalist Muslims trying to push their religion on others but there are fundamentalist Christians trying to do the same. I reject that kind of religious bullying from BOTH groups. But they are still the minority out of millions of good Muslim people living all over the world, in the US and here in NYC. My personal experience with Muslim people has been very postitive.
I do believe that you cannot tell the difference. Or don’t want to. All you’re really presenting is anti-Muslim propaganda. Period.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
You people who dismiss this stuff are clearly operating on a level of reality that the KGB must love.
And Epiphany: Whoopty freaking do , you know a Muslim that didn’t want to kill you.
I guess there’s no more terrorism in the world.
Mainstream Islam is not defined by seemingly tolerant Muslims in the West.
True Muslims are not to befriend Non-Muslims.
Don’t complain to me that you find this information distasteful. it’s their religion. they choose to adhere to it.
I have never argued that all Muslims act in any certain way. That’s irrelevent. What is relevent is tht there are enough Muslims who accept the violent teachings of Islam.. and because those teachings are undeniably part of the religion the so-called “moderates” have no ability to restrain the Radicals.. so for all practical purposes they’re irrelevent to the discussion.
You people who know nothing about Islam really should listen to what I say and then do your research instead of being your boring clonish close-minded selves.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
As the learned theologian Mel Gibson once said, “the Pastafarians start all the wars”?
July 12th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Id vote for chump or chimp or wino ‘before ID vote for that muslim OBAMA —-FROM HILLERY TO McCAIN HERE FRIENDS THE MIDDLE WILL -VOTE McCAIN JUST WATCH COME NOV-FROM A USE TO BE LIBERAL
July 12th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Correction: You may not drink anything, including water. I forgot the “not.” But this is only how I understand it.
Sources:
Yusuf Estes, Bilal Philips, Islamic Research Foundation Bombay India.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
vince~ epiphany is absolutely right.
other than your biased (and honestly, borderline bigoted) comments about muslims, i truly enjoy commenting with you. for the sake of continuing that blog relationship, i’m going to do my best to ignore your remarks.
i would just encourage you to truly, sincerely search your heart to differentiate between islamic jihadists and the remaining islamists. it’s not in the best interests of humanity to look at all of them as violent warriors intent on destroying infidels. those people definitely exist, but there are other islamists who want nothing more than to worship their God in peace, respecting each other and their fellow “people of the book”.
i also encourage you to see THE KINGDOM. very, VERY entertaining. it’s got action and suspense. it also shows how raw emotions on both sides perpetuate the cycle of violence.
epiphany~ rent this movie this weekend and see it! honestly, it’s a great movie.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Cheryl: Its not my job to try to figure out which members of a death cult take their death cult seriously.
It’s a fact that Islam is a religion of death. I’m not going to sugar coat it. I am not going to deny the truth.
There is too much denial of truth in society today.
Your labels like bigot don’t matter to me. What matters to me is truth and lies.
Everything I have said is truthful to the best of my knoweldge. Knoweldge of Islam is something that most people do not have. Thus you and others don’t have a leg to stand on with your criticism.
All the suffering throughout history.. some people have tallied it at 270 MILLION people murdered because of Jihad.. All the women forced to live like animals because of Islam… all the Non-Muslims who were treated worse than animals.
No i’m not going to pretend its’ all ok.
And really what kind of person are you to defend the perputrators of that violence.
What is wrong with the Left that it can’t see evil that is right before its eyes. It sees evil in the White House.. with republicans, with George Bush.. and all the other silly things the Left goes into hyserics about.
But the Death Cult Religion that commands Muslims kill people who are the epitome of teh lifestyle the left advocates.. that you put off limits.
It makes no sense to me. I think it shows a moral blindless.
July 13th, 2008 at 1:15 am
“It sees evil in the White House.. with republicans, with George Bush.. and all the other silly things the Left goes into hyserics about.”
I would certainly agree that George Bush is silly.
The man attends a meeting of the leaders of the 8 most industrialized nations on the planet, for a discussion of the critical issues of the day, issues affecting the future of all of humanity, and what remark does he make to the world?
“Some people talk too long.”
Now that is what I call silly. In fact I would call it stupendously silly. I would even venture to say it attains a level of silliness that the English language is incapable of adequately describing. It is Brobdingnagianly silly. It is silly on a cosmic scale.
And we are all the more sillier for having such a silly person as our leader.
July 13th, 2008 at 1:38 am
I’d rather be “morally blind” than morally arrogant and prejudiced.
Extreme Christians have not done any less wrong to others in the name of Christ than Extreme Muslims have done in the name of Allah.
Your failure to understand that violent madmen come in all religions, in all generations, is indicative of your arrogant prejudice.
I pray that my God protects us from religious zealots who attack our nation and our soldiers bc of people like you.
July 13th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Cheryl: I do believe your blatantly inventing everything that you’ve said.
Extreme Christians have not done any less wrong to others in the name of Christ than Extreme Muslims have done in the name of Allah
Uh hello.. Earth to Cheryl.. Earth to Cheryl… It’s 2008… Earth to Cheryl.
There is only one global religion in the world today that is causing its followers to make war… Islam.
It’s quite besides the point what happened in the past if such things no longer happen.
Any 5 year old could understand that.
Your failure to understand that violent madmen come in all religions, in all generations, is indicative of your arrogant prejudice.
Violent madmen indeed come from all religions, but only one religion demands its followers be violent madmen and that’s Islam.
It is not me who fails to understand.. but you. Dont you think you’re out of your league to think that you know enough about these things to correct me?
You’re being controlled totally by your emotional reaction to what I have typed. Don’t misdirect your moral outrage at me.. direct it toward the ones who do the things that you find reading about to be so repellant.
It’s pretty interesting isn’t it.. It’s the barbarism of the things that they have done that I typed that has got you so agitated with me.
All I have done is relate history.. something that is historically insignificant and impacts no one in the real world… and you’re upset with me? and not the religion that enslaved and killed 180 Million black africans..and continues to enslaves blacks to this very day.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:32 am
Uh huh.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:55 am
Cheryl, you’re talking to Vinnie Pee like he has reason. His innane ramblings are a disgrace to this blog. All this guy does is insult everyone. Don’t expect him to be understanding. Just insult him, it’s easier than reasoning…
July 13th, 2008 at 10:52 am
It is not me who fails to understand.. but you. Dont you think you’re out of your league to think that you know enough about these things to correct me? – by Vince P – Chicago
LMAOOOOOOOOO!
Oh My! Now Cheryl, be a good little girl and apologize to the Arbiter of Truth on here! How dare you express your differing opinion to the MASTER of what is right, true and holy! Bow down before his infallible magnificence and kiss his ring!
Vince your statement that all of Islam is a religion of death is an opinion. Nothing more and nothing less.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Muslim Helps Jews Attacked on New York Subway
December 12, 2007
NEW YORK (CNN) — A Muslim man jumped to the aid of three Jewish subway riders after they were attacked by a group of young people who objected to one of the Jews saying “Happy Hanukkah,” a spokeswoman for the three said Wednesday.
Friday’s altercation on the Q train began when somebody yelled out “Merry Christmas,” to which rider Walter Adler responded, “Happy Hanukkah,” said Toba Hellerstein.
“Almost immediately, you see the look in this guy’s face like I’ve called his mother something,” Adler told CNN affiliate WABC.
Two women who were with a group of 10 rowdy people then began to verbally assault Adler’s companions with anti-Semitic language, Hellerstein said.
One member of the group allegedly yelled, “Oh, Hanukkah. That’s the day that the Jews killed Jesus,” she said.
When Adler tried to intercede, a male member of the group punched him, she said.
Another passenger, Hassan Askari — a Muslim student from Bangladesh — came to Adler’s aid, and the group began physically and verbally assaulting him, Hellerstein said.
“A Muslim-American saved us when our own people were on the train and didn’t do anything,” Adler said. Watch Adler describe the altercation »
Adler pulled the emergency brake and the train stopped at DeKalb Avenue station, where police came on board.
The 10 suspects, ages 19 to 20, were taken into custody, said Brooklyn district attorney spokesman Sandy Silverstein.
Askari was first handcuffed alongside them, but he was released when Adler told police he was not an attacker, Hellerstein said.
Alder was treated at Long Island College Hospital for injuries that included a fractured nose and a cut lip that required several stitches, while Askari suffered a black eye, Hellerstein said.
The suspects are to appear in Brooklyn District Court on February 7 on charges that include assault, attempted assault, menacing, harassment, unlawful assembly, riot and disorderly conduct, Silverstein said.
The New York Police Department’s Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating the incident, and will determine whether the suspects will be charged with hate crimes, Officer Philip Hauser told CNN.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Watch this video:
Muslim Saves Jews In NYC Subway Bias Attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86cYQwtNF58
July 13th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Actually, it’s fact.
You think things are opinion if they bother you. Then you can raise your moral indigination and pretend the power of your oversensitive bleeding heart can change what is established.
Unfortunately for you, this is a issue that is factual, not opinion.
To die striving (Jihad) in the cause of Allah is the greatest achievment a Muslim can do.
Allah himself tells his Muslims that even if they don’t want to kill and die for him , that thier opinion doesn’t mattter. he knows what is better:
Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”
Then Allah says those Muslims who are able to engage in Jihad but duck their obligation are not equal with Muslims who do engage in Jihad
Qur’an:4:95 “Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”
And here are some Hadith
Bukhari:V4B52N44 “A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, ‘Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.’ He replied, ‘I do not find such a deed.’”
Bukhari:V1B2N25 “Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah’s Cause.’”
Qur’an:33:22 “Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle.”
Bukhari:V4B52N196 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say,”None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.”‘”
Muslim:C40B20N4676 “Jihad Is Compulsory.”
Islam doesn’t have denominations like Christianity does.. but they do have concept of School of Jurispudience. These are various philophies used to determine what the Law should be based on their reading of the Sunnah.
Every single School in Islam holds to the Jihad doctrine. And affirm everything I have just cited.
So you see… you’re wrong again.
You people who dont know Islam need to open your mind. Your close-mindedness is keeping you from being informed.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Epiphany: An indidividual Muslim’s behavior does not tell you anything about the doctrines of Islam. Knowing the Sharia law and the Sunnah tells you what Islam is.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
If anyone does want to get some info on the basics of Islam and what it means to you, and that isn’t designed to withhold things from you, or white-wash it, I recommend this document, Islam 101
The blog isn’t accepting the URL, but it’s on my website. Go there and down to the “Learn About Islam” section and read Islam 101.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
No, I don’t have the exact page etc. but this is also from the Quran:
The dervish should avoid cursing or harming humans and the other created beings (from bugs to jinn) because avoiding cursing or harming is the character of the good and loyal friends of Allah. If a person is like this, Allah protects him/her and his/her end will be good. He/she will reach to high levels in Allah’s presence. Allah will protect him or her
from being destroyed. Allah keeps people from harming him/her. Allah rewards that person with being a blessing to human beings and being close to Allah’s essence.
Even though a person has harmed or wronged him, the dervish should not wrong, he/she shouldn’t damn anyone, whether by word or action. The dervish should put up with this and be patient for Allah’s sake. This virtue takes the owner to high levels in this world and in the next. This person will be loved by people who are far away or nearby.
The dervish should not blame other believers with attributing partners to Allah, with disbelief, or causing trouble between people. This attitude is close to mercy. This will make the owner of this attitude reach high levels.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
And speaking of negative and destructive passages from a holy book, here is but a few from a book called … THE HOLY BIBLE.
Death to Followers of Other Religions ~
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers ~
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God ~
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Followers of Other Religions ~
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
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Sometimes, what is written in a holy book, is not to be taken seriously by those who subscribe to such religion. It is fundamentalists who take the bible LITERALLY and that is a shame. Most though, do not, whether they be Christian, Muslim or Jew.
And I must say I am glad of that, for it also says in the bible that women who cut their hair and paint their faces should be stoned to death for doing so.
No one, as of yet, has tried to administer such punishment to me for my wicked crimes. So far.
July 13th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
I respect Vince’s passion about this issue: I see nothing wrong with recognizing that a certain religion has violent tendencies and history. That is not against any sort of race or people, but of a BELIEF SYSTEM. If that is bigoted, then so be it. The history of Islam is pretty clear, and to compare the amount of Christian violence with Islamic violence…well, it’s a big stretch.
If you look at the “Battles of macrohistorical importance involving invasions of Europe” article on Wikipedia, notice that after the foundation of Islam, THEY were the aggressors trying to be repelled in every single battle. It’s easy to sit back in our cushy chairs and philosophize about bias against Islam, but if you objectively take a look at history it’s hard not to see the truth.
I’m not drawing any conclusions. Maybe Vince does. I’m not saying any of this demands we fight Iran, or we even should be in Iraq. All I’m saying is there is a history of violence and “world conquest” found in the Islamic faith. The best way to deal with it…I don’t know for sure.
There are many peace-loving, good Muslims out there, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is a LARGE minority who are not. What the exact minority is, I don’t know.
July 13th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Oh, please, Epiphany, have you heard of the New Testament? Yes, quoting those verses means that Christians have created as much war and violence as Muslims. Look at history.
July 13th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
This is what Al-Ghazali wrote regarding Jihad. (BTW: Dervishes aren’t in the Koran)
written in 1101 AD by the founder of the Sufi.
…one must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year…one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them…If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book – Jews and Christians, typically] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked…One may cut down their trees…One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide…they may steal as much food as they need…
…the dhimmi is obliged not to mention Allah or His Apostle…Jews, Christians, and Majians must pay the jizya [poll tax on non-Muslims]…on offering up the jizya, the dhimmi must hang his head while the official takes hold of his beard and hits [the dhimmi] on the protruberant bone beneath his ear [i.e., the mandible]… They are not permitted to ostentatiously display their wine or church bells…their houses may not be higher than the Muslim’s, no matter how low that is. The dhimmi may not ride an elegant horse or mule; he may ride a donkey only if the saddle[-work] is of wood. He may not walk on the good part of the road. They [the dhimmis] have to wear [an identifying] patch [on their clothing], even women, and even in the [public] baths…[dhimmis] must hold their tongue
July 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Flap , they bring up bible verses because they have no other argument. They wont accept the truth about Islamic Jihad.
Instead they want to show how ignorant they are by changing the subject to something that doesn’t exist in today’s world.
July 13th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
There’s a great website that one can lost for days in, it’s called history of jihad dot org
You’ll find detail histories of all these Jihad/Counter-Jihad campaigns:
The Jihad against Arabs (622 to 634)
The Jihad against Zoroastrian Persians of Iran, Baluchistan and Afghanistan (634 to 651)
The Jihad against the Byzantine Christians (634 to 1453)
The Jihad against Christian Coptic Egyptians (640 to 655)
The Jihad against Christian Coptic Nubians – modern Sudanese (650)
The Jihad against pagan Berbers – North Africans (650 to 700)
The Jihad against Spaniards (711 to 730)
The Reconquista against Jihad in Spain (730 to 1492)
The Jihad against Franks – modern French (720 to 732)
The Jihad against Sicilians in Italy (812 to 940)
The Jihad against Chinese (751)
The Jihad against Turks (651 to 751)
The Jihad against Armenians and Georgians (1071 to 1920)
The Crusade against Jihad (1096 – 1291 ongoing)
The Jihad against Mongols (1260 to 1300)
The Jihad against Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (638 to 1857)
The Jihad against Indonesians and Malays (1450 to 1500)
The Jihad against Poland (1444 to 1699)
The Jihad against Rumania (1350 to 1699)
The Jihad against Russia (1500 to 1853)
The Jihad against Bulgaria (1350 to 1843)
The Jihad against Serbs, Croats and Albanians (1334 to 1920)
The Jihad against Greeks (1450 to 1853)
The Jihad against Albania (1332 – 1853)
The Jihad against Croatia (1389 to 1843)
The Jihad against Hungarians (1500 to 1683)
The Jihad against Austrians (1683)
Jihad in the Modern Age (20th and 21st Centuries)
The Jihad against Israelis (1948 – 2004 ongoing)
The Jihad against Americans (9/11/2001)
The Jihad against the British (1947 onwards)
The Jihad against Denmark (2005 cartoon controversy onwards)
The Jihad against the Filipinos in Mindanao(1970 onwards)
The Jihad against Indonesian Christians in Malaku and East Timor (1970 onwards)
The Jihad against Russians (1995 onwards)
The Jihad against Dutch and Belgians (2003 onwards)
The Jihad against Norwegians and Swedes (2003 onwards)
The Jihad against Thais (2003 onwards)
The Jihad against Nigerians (1965 onwards)
The Jihad against Canadians (2001 onwards)
The Jihad against Latin America (2003 onwards)
The Jihad against Australia (2002 onwards)
The Global Jihad today (2001 – ongoing)
The War on Terror against Jihad today (2001- ongoing)
The Vision for the post-Islamic (and post-religious) world
July 13th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Citing violent Biblical passages is no different from citing violent Quran passages. I looked through my copy of the Quran last night, motivated by Vince’s disgusting, exaggerated, and dangerous hatred. The Quran is no more violent than the Bible. But Vince wouldn’t know that. His focus is on militant extremists, who he has used to paint the entire religion as crazed psychopaths.
Epiphany~ interesting Scriptures you’ve quoted there. As you know, I can quote anything from any holy book and use it to say what I want it to say. The Appalachian Snake Handlers are an interesting group that serves to illustrate this point. There are many others, but this subject is boring me. That man is so damned prejudiced and filled with “the truth” that it’s a waste of our time.
July 13th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Yes I quoted those passages from the Bible to illustrate that you can pull ugly hateful excerpts from either holy book. It doesn’t mean anything to me. It IS important to remain vigilant with Islamist fundamentalist extremists who are violent but to paint with a broad brush against ALL Muslims is ignorant, hateful and useless.
Vince is definitely not worth my time as he is the kind of person filled with so much frustration and bitterness, arrogantly condemning anyone who doesn’t agree with him, that he feels compelled to refute someone’s differing opinion by beginning with “you ignorant slut”. I know exactly where he is coming from and it’s not good.
With that kind of bottled up, ready to explode hatred and bigotry, one cannot take anything he says seriously. It just becomes irrevalent.
flap, the Jews do not follow the New Testament as you well know, and many conservative evangelicals often quote from the old testament.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Cheryl: When I make a basic assertion, I’m told by people who know nothing that I’m wrong and that I need to prove it.
So that’s when I provide my backup. Why are you upset that I am complying with what was requested of me?
July 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
“you ignorant slut”. I know exactly where he is coming from and it’s not good.
Saturday Night Live hasn’t been good in many years.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
The difference between that line from Saturday Night Live and you using it is that with them it was comedy and satire and with you… you mean it literally.
Have a drink Vince as you earlier suggested to yourself.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
It’s okay, E. I’ve honestly dismissed his comments. When I said he wasn’t worth the time, I meant it.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
oh, btw guys~ my son killed one of the fish yesterday! it was more of an indirect kill, as he kept sticking his hands and sticks and other things into the bowl when i wasn’t looking. LOL. i bought him a new one, and one for myself. i also bought a hermit crab! so my family now includes 3 betta fish and a crab. Lord, more mouths to feed. but at least their food lasts for months, and will probably last longer than they do.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
he named the hermit crab “hot wheels”. lol
July 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
As money is tight here, please send that dead fish to me. I can have it for dinner tonight. Crab is good too. YUM!
July 13th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
too late, the fish has been flushed down the toilet.
being a seafood lover myself, i was definitely eyeing that crab! but it’s way too small to enjoy…
July 13th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I wanted some damn fish. I’m starving.
July 13th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
What Vince conveniently forgets is to count how many people died being “brought to the Cross”. Ever heard of the Portuguese Inquisition? It was in ways much more brutal than the Spanish Inquisition, especially in forced conversion of Jews who were forced to emigrate only from Lisbon should they want to continue being Jews. Once October 31, 1497 passed, every Jew who could not leave Portugal was forcibly baptized. That’s just step one, as obviously many of those forcibly baptized were going to return to Judaism. Oh, but no, Portugal couldn’t have that. Hence the Inquisition.
http://factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000445.html
And let’s not even forget the Russian pogroms (from which my great-great-grandparents fled to the US), the Oberammergau passion plays, the slaughtering of pre-Christian pagans, the Khmielnytsky massacres, ritual burning of Talmuds, the numerous expulsions, etc. Yes, the Christian people were a very peaceful people indeed. To think I could mistake their “love” as pure hate just makes me a fool!
July 13th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Great .. whenever Portuguel reestablishes the inquistion i’ll keep your warning in mind.
But I live in 2008.
July 13th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
How is Vince “damned prejudiced”? Are you reading anything he says? Seems like a lot of his points make perfect sense. It’s so easy to live in the United States, and be insulated from a lot of the crap that many, many people had to deal with now and long ago (and many got KILLED over).
That list of jihads…do you gloss over that? If you say “Christianity is violent too,” if I said “The Pacific Ocean has loads of water in it” do you say “Well, so does that lake.” There’s not necessarily equivalence there!
Forget Bible verses or holy books…Christendom has protected the world against the onslaught of Muslim conquest many, many, many times. We may not live in a Christian country per se: I’ll even concede that point which I may or may not agree with. But the influence of Christendom has far outweighed the influence of Islamdom. If Christianity were not around, there’s a VERY high likelihood that if you are a woman, you’d be wearing a burqa and doing whatever a MAN told you to do and would be killed if you didn’t. The freedom we all enjoy…and especially women…is in great part do to Christianity’s influence both morally and in fighting Muslim advances and conquests during the Middle Ages and beyond.
July 13th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Speaking of odious Anti-Semitism , there’s a great lecture on this topic on CSPAN .. find the Flash video icon on the right side.
The lecture is for the new book by Dr Bostom, called “The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism” a ground breaking work.
July 13th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
flap: Somehow the people who are supposed to stand for gay and women rights can not tolerate the truth to be told about the religion that commands Muslims kill gays, and treat women like animal.
It’s sad when the Left become apologists for the killers of innocent people.
July 13th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
According to Wikipedia, Joshua, Portuguese Inquisition: 1,100 killed. Less than 9/11.
People are inherently EVIL, religious or non-religious. It’s human nature. Horrible things are done and people are persecuted in the name of God or to convert people or whatever. Looking at history, Islam is a much more violent instigator than any other religion. That’s the bottom line.
July 13th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Vince…you bring up a good point. You talk about gay rights? Women’s rights? Abortion? You think if Muslim conquests in the Middle Ages SUCCEEDED you’d have any of that in a million years?
I don’t think that anyone on this board is an apologist for Islam, but I do think there is moral equivalence drawn between the history of Christian violence and Islamic violence.
July 13th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
flap: American President Theodore Roosevelt made the exact same observation you have.
“During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier [Charles Martle who defeated the Muslim forces in Tours, France ending the growth of Islam's First Great Jihad] and the Polish king [Jon Sobieski who defeated the Muslim forces at Vienna, Austria on 11 Sept 1683, ending the growth of Islam's Second Great Jihad. Islam's Third Jihad began on 11 Sept 2001] the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any “social values” whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence. There are such “social values” today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do – that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.”
Unfortunately in Europe those values are now in jeapordy. There is an explosion of rapes of European women by Muslim men, and explosion of violence against gays in places like Amsterdam and Brussels.
Native Europeans who end up in neighborhoods that become Islamized live like virtual prisoners and are under constant harassement.
Many Euro non-muslim teenage girls and women wear the headscarves so that they dont get hostile initimadatio from Muslim men.
It’s spreading all over.
July 13th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Teddy Rex was a damned racist. Nothing he said about anyone that doesn’t have lily white skin is reputable.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Cheryl, most of our founding fathers were probably racists, too…in fact most of our Presidents until the 20th century were probably racists. Do we trash the Constitution and ignore everything they said, then?
But I do worry about Europe and the spread of Islam. I mean, it’s people’s right to practice whatever religion they wish…I honestly don’t give a crap. But Islam has such a violent streak, and that’s an understatement.
July 14th, 2008 at 2:40 am
Teddy Roosevelt was a racist. I therefore don’t give a shit about anything he said about people of other cultures and/or religions, as his opinions came from his racist perspective. As I said, nothing he says about anyone who isn’t white means anything to me.
July 14th, 2008 at 3:08 am
there’s no need to trash the entire constitution. the aspects of our document that allowed slaves to be considered 3/5 of a person and society to be segregated have already been trashed.
we’ve also trashed aspects of the constitution that only allowed white male property owners to vote.
not everything they wrote was without error.
now, stop asking me questions to try to prove your conservative points. i love you, but that irritates me.
July 14th, 2008 at 3:14 am
A true trashing of the Constitution is the 17th Amendment.
July 14th, 2008 at 6:50 am
Vince P,
If you want a true trashing of the Constitution, Bill Of Rights, or The Declaration Of Independence, strike up a conversation with OldLefty. His spin trashes it completely. I appreciate the effort of awareness you’re doing regarding Muslims. Although it is a fact that the Muslim Nations have killed more people throughout history than any other, these pinheads will never believe they’re a world threat. Muslims even have The Pope believing they (Muslims) believe in the same God as Christians do. Even the Pope is a pinhead.
July 14th, 2008 at 11:15 pm