Bush The Flip-Flopper
It was only a couple of months ago that Bush referred to Democrats who wanted to talk to Iran as appeasers:
Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: “Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.” We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.
Now Bush is having us sit down with Iran in what is described as “the most significant gesture in decades“.
The decision appeared to bend, if not exactly break, the administration’s insistence that it would not negotiate with Iran over its nuclear programs unless it first suspended uranium enrichment, as demanded by three resolutions of the UN Security Council.
Well, he is a flip flopper, but no worse than every other politician on the hill, and that includes the democrats as well. Posts such as these are so silly because this kind of thing says nothing about one side or the other. Both sides cannot just make up their minds and stick with them.
July 16th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
So I guess he finally caved to reason and people like Gates in his own cabinet? By God! There may be hope for this man yet!
July 16th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Not sure if there’s any sports fans here, but what did you guys think of Greta’s interview with Brett Favre. I have it posted on my site if you didnt see it.
July 16th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
I’ll get new glasses!
July 16th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
guys remember the 70’s when gas was 30 cents a gallon and we were running out. why carter got elect. he had plan to make us self sef. buy the year 2k first thing Reagan did was cancel all his plans. And now the oil companies have WON they can drill in all the protected areas so they are going to lower the price per barrel so low we stop the alternative fuels. when the ice caps melt and the sea level goes up 170 feet guess i just buy swimming trunks )
July 16th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
and on this what obama has said all along We either have to talk to north Korea and Iran or wipe them out. israel will never let Iran get nukes and what 10 american companies are doing business with Iran. and China and russia are selling them the tech.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I’ll be glad when the sea level rises. I’ll have ocean front property finally
July 16th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
lol love ya me to ) long as the 1 billion people homeless are not in my yard )
July 16th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Tim great point about Carter …. he’s a man that’s been misunderstood and I have a lot of admiration for him.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
What about Carter was admirable? Do you remember the Marielitos? I do, dealt with them and their gang shit night after night.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
He had a lot of great plans for us he was a farmer he was not bought buy lobbyist are the oil companies. he inherit the Iran deal and they black mail the U.S people he sent in strick force but they dint have sand filters lol that is the armies fault not his he sent them in they failed. he who rules rights history why rep. forgets him
July 16th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Anyone else think this is a setup by Bush? After meeting with the Iranian delegation, Bush’s cronies come back to the States “empty-handed,” and the next time Barack brings up diplomatic talks, Bush can say “we tried that already.” Ends Barack’s argument, no?
July 16th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Maybe the theory is that if the administration gets something right in the final six months we’ll forget about the last 7.5 years of gaffes, blunders, and misconduct.
It often seemed to me that Rumsfeld left one point out of his treatise on knowns and unknowns: the things our leaders think they know, but really they’re dreaming.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Tim, poor, poor Tim! You are a classic example of just how hopeless the future for America seems. You epitomise the reason to privately educate children, as you are a product of the Government Schools. Global warming is a hoax, and more and more scientists are trying to get the truth out on it. Twenty years ago we were all going to freeze to death! And sure, we can talk to the Iranians, but talk with strength, not quaking in our boots like sniveling cowardly Liberals! Why cant you people understand these Islamic Facists hate all of us, including you Liberal nut jobs!
July 17th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Now now James. Don’t attack…we have to work together against the machine that is doing better than we are at mushing us into the wet sand. Ultra right and ultra left have to understand that the world lives in the middle. Give and take, etc etc.
But Carter was/is an idiot. Same for Bush. Both were/are bad for this country.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Ok, point taken LV. I agree, please forgive me!
July 17th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
You are very forgiven.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
James,
Don’t you see that EVERYTHING you say about Tim, is said about you by the other side?
One COULD say that Barack and Michelle Obama provide affirmation of the public schools, ( the word, ’government schools’ being one of the contrived words stemming from Newt Gingrich’s work…:Language: A Key Mechanism Of Control”, that the right repeats diligently, like ‘ Democrat’ party, and ‘Islamofascist’.), While GW Bush epitomizes the wealth based affirmative action ofprivate schools.
As much as the right claims that global warming is a hoax, as their scientists are all funded by oil companies, others believe that it is real.
Most on the left see the only ones quaking in their boots like sniveling cowards are Bush/Cheney and their approach to their Wahhabi buddies who are the GREATEST sponsors of terrorism, while also being one of the greatest sources of profit for them and their cronies.
Why cant you people understand these Islamic-Corporate-Saudi-Bush/Cheney fascists hate all of us, including you right wingnut jobs!
July 17th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Thank you oldlefty. I’ve been trying to get everyone I can get to understand its US vs THEM. We’re losing because what they get from us we don’t give voluntarily…taxes, etc. The ones who pad their pockets and promise them well paying jobs get what they want. Clinton included.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Que,
I’m with you. This “story” is a plant in the American commercial media enterprise (ACME) to further Lull the Gullible into believing, “Oh, look, George IS trying to avoid World War 3.”
I’m saddened that Alan took off his tin-foil hat. He needs to put it back on.
Bush is in meetings with Israeli leaders this weekend, which, I am sure, are totally opposite this setup in Geneva. Guess which meeting is the one to watch?
Hint: It’s not across the pond.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
http://www.americansolutions.com/General/?Page=6c56a7ef-d0c9-4cf2-b7d7-139f5c698901
1.3 Million signatures!!! American’s are starting to wake up and come together.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Wasn’t Dubya working on arranging peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians again a couple months back? Did Condi get lost over there, haven’t heard anything about her lately. Poor guy keeps grasping at straws for something to call an accomplishment. Just head for the ranch now and call Rent-A-CEO for a temp to fill in until Jan.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
LV,
There’s no such thing as “clean coal” (see the devastation of West Virginia mountaintops as RFK Jr. has documented). Two, we can’t DRILL OUR WAY to energy independence. Three, we need to get religion OUT of our government.
RE just the energy issue: The petition you cite at your URL reflects polling that is partisan, misleading and intentionally shallow.
When people are fully informed on an issue — such as the REALITY of oil drilling equipment available/leases held/unknown quantity of U.S. resources/where does the Alaskan oil go (not to the lower 48!) vs the price of gasoline at the pump — the polls are not so one-sided as your group represents.
Americans — whether Rs or Ds or Is — need to pull their collective heads out of the sand and get busy on renewable, sustainable energy technology.
Stop listening to Big Oil with their Big Ad Campaign (ask yourself: why are they spending Millions upon Millions to persuade us they are the good guys?).
And billionaires like T. Boone? They’re all in it for the Big Money Transfer from We The People.
They could care less about the planet Earth.
July 17th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Marie, to get an informed on my opinion, you would have to read the last 2 weeks of my posts.
But I love to see posts that show me people are getting educated on these matters.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Hillary flip flopped. McCain flip flops and the Messiah Obama flip flops. They all flip flop so get over it.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Middle east they have been fighting there since the beginning of history books that is not going to change.
Why are we in middle east oil. Saddam had weapons of mass destruction ? So millions are dieing in Africa I see stories on the news every now and again about genocide ) but that is just a 2 minute story
Global warming of course we was in a ice age 12 thousand years ago ice making the great lakes )
July 17th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
LV,
All I’m going by is the URL you provided. If that’s the petition that 1.3 million Americans signed, I don’t agree they are “getting educated.”
Just the opposite.
Sorry if I’m missing your point.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:01 am
I knew it right after Iran fired the missiles that Bush would back down and let cooler heads prevail. He talks a lot of junk but whenever a nation stands up to him in any way or form, he backs down.
We saw it in North Korea after the nuke test.
We see it today so soon after the missile test.
And we saw it recently after the recent Pakistan cease-fire.
July 18th, 2008 at 11:06 am
agentX,
I hope you’re right. But Monkey Man is all too willing to let Israel make the first move and then, guess what, we’ll get stuck with the rest of it.
Too bad George didn’t wipeout on one of the few days he showed up in the National Guard. The world would have been spared this great tragedy we are living.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:23 am