John Kerry Won’t Let Obama Be Swift-Boated
August 13th, 2008, 5:47 PM EDT
That’s why he’s started Truth Fights Back.
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John Kerry Won't Let Obama Be Swift-Boated
By independent thought 15/08/2008 at 12:52 amHow much more time are we going to waste on Kerry and the lies of the conservatives. Both lie, both attempt to paint thier party as “saints.” I listen to the show and try to find the middle, which is most likely the truth. Lets face it, Who cares what Kerry did anymore, and who cares what a republican backer says. The truth is we each will have to descide for ourselves if we trust Obama. Regardless of how condencending Colmes is.
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John Kerry Won't Let Obama Be Swift-Boated
By suntan 14/08/2008 at 8:14 pmOnly those that served with John “I Shot Myself Again” Kerry know exactly just he was up to during his shortened stint in ‘Nam. I have to believe those he “served” with when they say he acted cowardly leaving his own men to endure enemy fire as he “bugged” out to save his scrawny ass. What a COWARD!!And he thought he was “Presidential” material? I think NOT!! I still laugh when working at my local polling place on election day and hear the crys’ of lament at his not-so stunning loss. I be chuckling this Nov. as I take voters slips and allow them to enter the polling booth while adorned with buttons supporting Barack “I and MY ENTIRE FAMILY HATE AMERICA” HUSSEIN Obama. What a surprise they’ll have the next day.
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John Kerry Won't Let Obama Be Swift-Boated
By Boogieman 14/08/2008 at 7:23 pmA public figure has a hell of a time suing anyone for slander or defamation of character.
Just doesn’t happen.
A public figure is fair game for just about any smear you can come up with.
Supremes have ruled on this. -
John Kerry Won't Let Obama Be Swift-Boated
By Truth2Power 14/08/2008 at 6:56 pmHey suntan, here’s a left-wingnut website that could use your words of wisdom.
horsesass.org -
John Kerry Won't Let Obama Be Swift-Boated
By Truth2Power 14/08/2008 at 6:49 pmOldLefty, kudos for learning how to post links.
#1 He probably can not prove he WAS there any more than they can prove he WASN’T.
Simple… Was nixon president at that time. No. He told the story so many times it wasn’t a slip of the tongue.
The metals, etc:
No one is doubting if he threw medals over the fence of the white house, there are pics of it. The point was the medals he threw were not his.
Why didn’t Bush take those who say he was AWOL
They didn’t cause him to lose the election. And dan rather quit his job in disgrace.
Max Cleland take Ann Coulter who said his loss of three limbs was self inflicted
Too busy to google, but if I remember correctly… It was in non-combat that max jumped on a live grenade to save his buddies. A little corse of coulter but somewhat factual.
Lastly, if you are so certain that Kerry’s records are bogus, why aren’t you calling for an investigation, so that we can trust the military records again?
I don’t think everything kerry said is a lie. Some questions remain unanswered.
One document whose authenticity is not likely to be questioned by the mainstream media is the honorable discharge on Senator John Kerry’s web site. Yet who in the major media has investigated why that honorable discharge is dated during the Carter administration, when Kerry’s military service ended years earlier?
http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2005/02/18/tainted_media
And the head of the swiftboaters, john o’neil has been a foe of kerry’s since before his debate against kerry on the dick cavett show in 1971. Interesting read that transcript.
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I like Kerry’s tone of righteous anger. It’s a good counterpoint to the moldy scrod being pushed by the rightists.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
I used to think Kerry’s big mistake in 04 was thinking too highly of the American people.
Now I think it was that he expected the media to cover a lie differently than the truth, and not be “fair and balanced” between the two.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
I’m not arguing against Kerry on the merits of his position, but I can’t, to be honest, see these ads as being as vile as he and others try to present them. I’m voting for Obama, but it does feel as if the characterizations of these ads against him, as being malicious, is somewhat of an exaggeration. It comes down to interpretation and whatever happpends to bother you most.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Point is, I doubt feel outraged, but I usually am not over the net.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
The Hilton ad isn’t malicious. It’s just stupid. And since the Republicans spent a bunch of money getting something this stupid on the air, it says they think Americans are stupid enough to believe it.
And therefore it’s elitist and anti-American.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Whatever the weakness of Corsi’s arguments, the NY Times certainly never deployed aggressive fact-checking to all of the anti-Bush books. The paper has tended to greet them with open arms and blessed them with favorable notices.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
If kerry is helping obama out, well, obama might as well start looking for a new job.
Did kerry prove ANYTHING the swiftboaters said false?
August 13th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
“Did kerry prove ANYTHING the swiftboaters said false?
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The MILITARY RECORDS proved the Swiftboaters false.
If you don’t believe the military records, you should be demanding a MASSIVE investigation into the the record keeping, because then there is a problem with the integrity of the military’s record keeping and ANYBODY’S record can be smeared, (as McCain’s and Max Cleland’s have also been).
August 13th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
It never ceases to amaze me the lengths that Republicans will go to win at any cost. They smear and fearmonger……and then they use the most dispicable tactics of bulk-buying to give themselves legitimacy. I say Hooray for John Kerry…would it be presumptuous of me to say…”if only he had been so angry and forceful in 2004!”
August 13th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Then I just found out that Mary Matalin in responsible for the publication of this book!! Wonder how well that went over in the Carvell household? Oh yeah…he was backing Hillary, wasn’t he?
August 13th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
OldLefty, you said:
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“Did kerry prove ANYTHING the swiftboaters said false?
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The MILITARY RECORDS proved the Swiftboaters false.
No the military records PROVED the majority of claims to substantiate what John ONeil said;
And clearly the debate ONeil and Kerry had on the Dick Cavett show is even more proof of Kerry being a liar and endorsing genocide.
that anyone such as John Kerry could be so without any shame over the facts brought out by the SwiftBoat Veterans for Truth is disgraceful.
Some of you liberal Lefties have to bend reality to fit the fabricated stories.
I gave John Kerry the benefit of the doubt against the accusations; But you know what? John Kerry never, NEVER EVER! Never did he have another interview in John ONeils presence where they sat with someone like Bill OReilly or in 2004 they could have sat for an hour with Tim Russert.
If Kerry had the truth he would have stood his ground and defended it. But the objective facts we have are that Kerry refused to defend it and in fact hid from ONeil.
Even after the 2004 election when the issue was still hot, Kerry could have cleared the air and defended his claims, but he STILL didnt!
And Senator Kerry should be impeached as he does not honorably hold the office of US Senator. Either Kerry is a war criminal based on his own testimony, or an accused felon having committed purjury under oath to congress.
This is where democrats show their incredible hypocrisy in saying oh, brush it off and forget about it, Kerry is in and just let it go!
But when it was Richard Nixon defending the USA the left accused him of crimes worthy of impeachment.
So what if Kerry lied under oath, just to get even we will say that Bush lied to get us into an illegal war! then they balance out!
August 13th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
As a matter of fact, one of the swiftboaters was going to pay one million dollars to anyone who can prove that anything in the swiftboat ad was false.
John Kerry took them up on their offer. When he was about to prove the ads false, the swiftboaters quickly back pedaled and said their bet was taken out of context and refused to pay up.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
As usual, Bradley has nothing to substantiate his claim that the swiftboaters were correct. They are liars and everyone knows it.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Q: did kerry prove anything false about the swiftboaters? A: He didnt have to,his physicle and service record says he showed up for duty when his country needed him to!!!!
can you say that about the “decider” or should I say the draft dodger?????
August 14th, 2008 at 12:34 am
TDro pretty much said it all:
“As a matter of fact, one of the swiftboaters was going to pay one million dollars to anyone who can prove that anything in the swiftboat ad was false.
John Kerry took them up on their offer. When he was about to prove the ads false, the swiftboaters quickly back pedaled and said their bet was taken out of context and refused to pay up.”
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I will only add that there are equally despicable groups who have smeared John McCain:
~Ted Sampley and Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain
Where were you when they, and the Bush campaign trashed John McCain’s service in the 2000 Republican primaries?
They are ALL deplorable and ALL contribute to the culture where partisan hacks with NO sense of honor or decency mock wounded war veterans with purple band aides.
August 14th, 2008 at 9:02 am
The MILITARY RECORDS proved the Swiftboaters false.
The military records proved that kerry was on the river christmas eve under the orders of nixon? Please, don’t take me for a fool. All one has to do is google the day nixon took office to see that was a lie that was seared into his memory.
Mary Matalin in responsible for the publication of this book!! Wonder how well that went over in the Carvell household?
Proof that politics is a sham being perpetrated on we the people by the elite ruling class.
As a matter of fact, one of the swiftboaters was going to pay one million dollars to anyone who can prove that anything in the swiftboat ad was false.
T bone pickens wasn’t it. The same man that democrats now point to as an ex-oil man that is for wind power.
John Kerry took them up on their offer. When he was about to prove the ads false, the swiftboaters quickly back pedaled and said their bet was taken out of context and refused to pay up.
Got link. And please, not a dailykos type link.
Was the story kerry told for years about being on the river XMAS eve proven to be true or not true.
Was the story about throwing HIS medals over the fence of the white house proven to be true or not true.
Was the story about the green beret hat he carried proven to be true or not true.
And about t boobe pickens chickening out…
In his response, Pickens wrote: “I am certainly open to your challenge,” but he said he would not pay Kerry unless the senator first provided him with copies of his wartime journals, as well as movies he shot while on patrol and his complete military records for 1971 to 1978.
Pickens said such documentation, which the group has previously sought, would be needed to disprove its ads.
“When you have done so, if you can then prove anything in the ads was materially untrue, I will gladly award $1 million. As you know, I have been a long and proud supporter of the American military and veterans’ causes,” Pickens wrote.
http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/16/john-kerry-to-swift-boat-funder-t-boone-pickens-wheres-my-million-dollars/
August 14th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
And something else about kerry being proven to be a liar…
Why didn’t kerry take them to court? Does it have anything to do with discovery, and kerry being legally required to turn over whatever documents the other side wants.
and the name is t boone pickens, not t boobe pickens.
August 14th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Don’t even go there, P2T. After the way your commander-in-chief fucked up this country, you have no room to talk about anybody else.
John Kerry is a war hero, and if you and the lying swiftboaters want to smear his record, fine. It just makes you people look like bitter, which I’m sure you are.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
The original claim by Pickens was to show even ‘one’ claim by the swiftnuts was false.
When challenged, Pickens reneged and wanted ‘all’ claims to be proven false.
His main project these days is to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. Since he’s heavily invested in natural gas and a couple of alternative energy sources, the effort seems to be to enlarge his wallet.
August 14th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
As usual, Bradley has nothing to substantiate his claim that the swiftboaters were correct. They are liars and everyone knows it.
TDro, the work of John ONeil and the group of HONORABLE Veterans speak for themselves, I point to them and suggest you listen to them as I did. My conclusion is they are clearly speaking the truth;
We have inverse or antivector proofs, we have what John Kerry DID NOT DO, that is to say, it would have been reasonable for Kerry to have done X, Y and Z in response to the situation.
We have John Kerrys silence, and silence is implied consent. The silence of Kerry means he agree’s with what John ONeil and the HONORABLE Veterans said about Kerry.
Without the absolute dominance over the media as democrats used to have, in todays you report, we decide world, Kerry did not want viewers to get the facts from both sides.
August 14th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
More documentary evidence supporting Kerry surfaced. A Navy report from a military unit known as Task Force 115 says Kerry was under enemy fire on March 13, 1969, when he rescued Special Forces soldier James Rassmann, leading to a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. Task Force 115 was commanded by Roy Hoffmann, now chairman of Swift Boat Veterans.
John O’Neill, the chief critic of Kerry’s military record, told President Nixon in 1971 that he had been in Cambodia in a Swift boat — a claim at odds with recent statements that he was not. “I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border,” O’Neill said in a tape found at the National Archives. O’Neill yesterday did not dispute what he said to Nixon, but insisted he never was actually in Cambodia.
Compiled from Knight Ridder Newspapers, the Chicago Tribune and The Associated Press.
• http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20040826&slug=swift26
August 14th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
T. Boone Pickens Says No Deal on Swift Boat Bounty
By Kate Zernike
T. Boone Pickens is not giving up his million dollars.
A group of Swift boat veterans sympathetic to Mr. Kerry sent Mr. Pickens a letter last week taking him up on the challenge. In 12 pages, plus a 42-page attachment of military records and other documents, they identified not just one but ten lies in the group’s campaign against Mr. Kerry. They offered to meet with him to provide Mr. Kerry’s journals and videotapes from Vietnam and a copy of his full military record certified by the Navy – a key demand of Mr. Pickens and veterans who believe Mr. Kerry lied about his service to win his military decorations.
Mr. Pickens replied with a one-page letter, thanking the veterans for their research and their service, but politely saying there had been a misunderstanding. “Key aspects of my offer of $1 million have not been accurately reported,” he wrote.
** http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/t-boone-pickens-says-no-deal/
August 14th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
As for..
” Was the story kerry told for years about being on the river XMAS eve proven to be true or not true.
Was the story about throwing HIS medals over the fence of the white house proven to be true or not true.
Was the story about the green beret hat he carried proven to be true or not true.
Here’s why I think these things are irrelevant:
#1 He probably can not prove he WAS there any more than they can prove he WASN’T.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_08/004487.php
“Conclusions? Beats me. Kerry has mentioned this story several times, so it’s not a slip of the tongue. And it’s plausible on its surface. Contrariwise, the evidence against him is pretty thin: not much more than the fact that no one else has verified it — and keep in mind that the Swift Vets guys are not exactly disinterested witnesses in this matter. What’s more, since there is exactly zero in the way of documentary evidence one way or the other, it seems unlikely that this little teapot-sized tempest will ever be conclusively resolved. Which, I suppose, suits Kerry’s detractors just fine.”
The metals, etc:
If in 2016 a veteran runs as a republican and had done something similar,
(against Clinton’s war ala ….. Michael Savage : ” These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark …who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton.” )…..The right would applaud his courage!
As for :
Why didn’t kerry take them to court? Does it have anything to do with discovery, and kerry being legally required to turn over whatever documents the other side wants.”
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Why didn’t Bush take those who say he was AWOL, or John McCain take Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain ( who make HORRIBLE accusations about him), or Ted Sampley, who claims he gave troop movements to the enemy, OR Max Cleland take Ann Coulter who said his loss of three limbs was self inflicted….to court?
Because it’s unseemly, and is always seen as the big and powerful crushing those who speak out against them.
Lastly, if you are so certain that Kerry’s records are bogus, why aren’t you calling for an investigation, so that we can trust the military records again?
It seems that EVERYONE’S record is questioned when somebody doesn’t like them.
It seems that EVERYONE’S record is questioned when somebody doesn’t like them, and then it’s forgotten after the election.
August 14th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
“Mr. Pickens replied, ‘Key aspects of my offer of $1 million have not been accurately reported,’ he wrote.
He had nothing on John Kerry, so in order to avoid paying up, he makes up some bullshit excuse, depriving the veterans of much-needed cash. The cheap bastard!
Now, I ask you. Why does T. Boone Pickens hate the troops?
August 14th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
His main project these days is to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. Since he’s heavily invested in natural gas and a couple of alternative energy sources, the effort seems to be to enlarge his wallet.
Ouch.
Follow the money…
It is hard to tell if the water scheme is the device being used to seize the land or if the wind turbine scheme is the means by which he will fund the water scheme, but no matter what the case may be, Nancy Pelosi will personally profit from whatever he does as an investor.
Nancy Pelosi is one of the richest members of Congress with a net worth of over US$25 million, which comes primarily from investments a large portfolio of jointly owned San Francisco Bay Area real estate, and, now, of course, stocks in CLNE.
While the stock was initially offered at $14 and is now valued below that amount, the low of $10 in early July of this year is bouncing back, especially in light of ads by Pickens and growing consensus that the Pickens plan will gain support, especially if Pelosi is firmly behind it.
http://dontgomovement.com/2008/08/11/nancy-pelosi-invests-in-energy-scheme-and-water-grab-by-t-boone-pickens/
August 14th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
“Sen?” John “FLIP FLOPPER” Kerry should have been court martialed for his lack of familiarity with the weapons he was issued while in ‘Nam. Only someone such as he could be inept enough to wound himself 3 times. If he was my commanding “officer” I would have stuffed a grenade down his tailored shorts.
August 14th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
OldLefty, kudos for learning how to post links.
#1 He probably can not prove he WAS there any more than they can prove he WASN’T.
Simple… Was nixon president at that time. No. He told the story so many times it wasn’t a slip of the tongue.
The metals, etc:
No one is doubting if he threw medals over the fence of the white house, there are pics of it. The point was the medals he threw were not his.
Why didn’t Bush take those who say he was AWOL
They didn’t cause him to lose the election. And dan rather quit his job in disgrace.
Max Cleland take Ann Coulter who said his loss of three limbs was self inflicted
Too busy to google, but if I remember correctly… It was in non-combat that max jumped on a live grenade to save his buddies. A little corse of coulter but somewhat factual.
Lastly, if you are so certain that Kerry’s records are bogus, why aren’t you calling for an investigation, so that we can trust the military records again?
I don’t think everything kerry said is a lie. Some questions remain unanswered.
One document whose authenticity is not likely to be questioned by the mainstream media is the honorable discharge on Senator John Kerry’s web site. Yet who in the major media has investigated why that honorable discharge is dated during the Carter administration, when Kerry’s military service ended years earlier?
http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2005/02/18/tainted_media
And the head of the swiftboaters, john o’neil has been a foe of kerry’s since before his debate against kerry on the dick cavett show in 1971. Interesting read that transcript.
August 14th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Hey suntan, here’s a left-wingnut website that could use your words of wisdom.
horsesass.org
August 14th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
A public figure has a hell of a time suing anyone for slander or defamation of character.
Just doesn’t happen.
A public figure is fair game for just about any smear you can come up with.
Supremes have ruled on this.
August 14th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Only those that served with John “I Shot Myself Again” Kerry know exactly just he was up to during his shortened stint in ‘Nam. I have to believe those he “served” with when they say he acted cowardly leaving his own men to endure enemy fire as he “bugged” out to save his scrawny ass. What a COWARD!!And he thought he was “Presidential” material? I think NOT!! I still laugh when working at my local polling place on election day and hear the crys’ of lament at his not-so stunning loss. I be chuckling this Nov. as I take voters slips and allow them to enter the polling booth while adorned with buttons supporting Barack “I and MY ENTIRE FAMILY HATE AMERICA” HUSSEIN Obama. What a surprise they’ll have the next day.
August 14th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
How much more time are we going to waste on Kerry and the lies of the conservatives. Both lie, both attempt to paint thier party as “saints.” I listen to the show and try to find the middle, which is most likely the truth. Lets face it, Who cares what Kerry did anymore, and who cares what a republican backer says. The truth is we each will have to descide for ourselves if we trust Obama. Regardless of how condencending Colmes is.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:52 am