9/11 Truth
The collapse of Building 7 on 9/11 has been solved. It was set on fire by debris falling from the Twin Towers.
Scientists with the National Institute of Standards and Technology say their three-year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of WTC 7 was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper.
“The reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” said Dr. Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the NIST team.
Investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.
Of course the so-called “truthers” will have none of this and claim the explanations are insufficient. But the scientists who did the study say there was no boom-like sound that would have been associated with a bomb, and that computer modeling reveals a how the collapse of a column began a chain reaction that led to such a disastrous result.
The 77-page report concluded that the fatal blow to the building came when the 13th floor collapsed, weakening a critical steel support column that led to catastrophic failure.
“When this critical column buckled due to lack of floor supports, it was the first domino in the chain,” said Sunder.
Will this put to rest the conspiracy theories?
Does this mean you get to have Alex Jones on your show again?
See Alan, THIS is the Colmes we all know, putting rumors to rest with hard hitting evidence. Welcome back.
August 21st, 2008 at 4:57 pm
On the view, rosie said fire can’t melt steel. The audience cheered.
Now some right-wing hacks are trying to discredit rosie?
August 21st, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Time heals all wounds and it serves as the dirt for any mystery. Enough time has been thrown on the 9-11 theories so that anything is believable. All I need to remember is “President Bush was reading My Pet Goat.” Steel goes through the fire and it doesn’t breakdown like this. Where did the Anthrax come from? Who outed the CIA agent?
August 21st, 2008 at 5:12 pm
All I know is that the science is above my head and living in a conspiracist’s world will only make me misreable. They sure as hell are.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
“On the view, rosie said fire can’t melt steel. The audience cheered.”
Yeah that was fucking crazy! I guess she had never seen a foundry. With all that “molten steel”. They must use explosives there too…
August 21st, 2008 at 5:25 pm
I thought 911 happened because Bill Clinton got a BJ from a whore intern…
August 21st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
“…fire can’t melt steel…”
Well then what’s all that hot stuff melting the steel inside blast furnaces?
August 21st, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Someone needs to explain all this to Alex Jones.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:25 pm
I believe the argument is that the heat from the burning jet fuel was too low to have melted the support beams, what have you, of WTCs, but that PM magazine, and others, refutes this by saying the heat was sufficient to have made the metal malleable, and thus structurally to weak to support the loads upon it.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:32 pm
too weak.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:33 pm
And, to address the original question:
“Will this put to rest the conspiracy theories?”
Damn, I hope not. Because if we lay all the conspiracies to rest what are we going to laugh about when we get drunk on Friday nights?
August 21st, 2008 at 6:55 pm
And, to address the original question:
“Will this put to rest the conspiracy theories?”
Damn, I hope not. Because if we lay all the conspiracies to rest what are we going to laugh about when we get drunk on Friday nights?
Posted by RC from Smithtown
August 21st, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Who put you up to this? Who are your masters? The people have the right to know!
August 21st, 2008 at 6:58 pm
I hope some day there’s a woman named Ruth who’s 9′ 11.”
August 21st, 2008 at 7:09 pm
I can’t imagine anyone could believe this government would be capable of pulling off 9/11.
The problem is, who said, “if the goverment has nothing to hide, why is it hiding EVERYTHING?”
I want to know why Bush/Cheney couldn’t testify before the 9/11 Commission under oath and why Bush couldn’t testify all by himself, like a big boy.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:10 pm
oooh, the 13th floor, huh?
August 21st, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Oh come on FuryUS – Bill Clinton’s BJ caused alot worse than 9/11 right? According to the Republican’s, it’s the reason for the ecomony, gas prices, global terrorism, AIDS crisis, poverty, illegal aliens, outer space aliens, breast cancer, global warming, why McCain can’t get an erection, hurricane Katrina, why Gingrich had an affair, why people don’t wipe their ass good enough anymore, why our boogies are no longer pink, etc. etc. Now you are not giving Clinton enough credit – he is responsible for every bad thing that happens in this world!
August 21st, 2008 at 9:33 pm
“Who put you up to this? Who are your masters? The people have the right to know!”
Rrrruff! Arf-arf! Grrrrrrr!
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:31 am
Do I believe this government pulled off 9-11? No! I honestly believe they knew of an impending attack and they weighed the political consequences and benefits of ignoring the attack. Before you roast me, look at the facts. We clearly knew of the threat on our planes. The FBI was screaming for us to do something and we did nothing. Moussoui’s computer would have told us more, but we refused to look at it. We knew about the plan to fly without landing. Some of the hijackers were tracked from Las Vegas. President Bush was on vacation. Condi Rice predicted “The Missile Defense Funding Paradigm would shift if we saw dead people.” Donald Rumsfeld was in the Pentagon talking about the next Pearl Harbor. Campaign Finance Reform passed after so many failures. The Bush Fly was swatted. It was not Bin Laden. Scott McClellan said this administration was too political and partisan. Attorney General Ashcroft said, “A Phantom Seeking a lost justice is hurting America.” The truth is out there. Find the “Bush Fly.”
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:58 am
I agree with Old Lefty. This administration isn’t disclosing all they knew about 9/11.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:17 am
Remember, that after that HUGE, HORRIFIC crash, fire, and explosion, they found Mohammed Atta’s passport, a block away?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 am
I agree with Old Lefty. This administration isn’t disclosing all they knew about 9/11.
When bush lackeys sneak classified documents out and burn them we can have a discussion on what’s not being disclosed.
There was only one reason that sandy berger stole and destroyed documents, to protect clinton.
Now we will never know the real truth. If the truth from the nineties is missing the path to 9/11 can’t be made.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Sure thing, P2T. Keep buying the crap that Fox News keeps shoveling out to you.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
If the evidence is against ANY Democrat or Liberal leaning politician, it must be a lie or a frame up, or manufactured. Signed TDRO
Pretty much sums it up. He wouldn’t acknowledge a snake bite if it was a Liberal snake.
Nah Nah, He didn’t bite me. I swell like this all the time..LOL
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:47 pm
I don’t feel the need to apologize for Sandy Berger to chastise the Bush administration. I hate this “well, well, YOUR guy did something too!”…Yes he did.
What he did was wrong, but he DID take copies, not originals.
If he wanted to be more like Bush, they would have just deleted all the e mails, claimed executive privilege,and sealed all the records and not allowed anyone to testify. ( Condi will never take documents because the documents are sealed.)
I still want to know why Bush/Cheney refused to take the oath, and why Bush couldn’t testify by himself, without Cheney.
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Sure thing, P2T. Keep buying the crap that Fox News keeps shoveling out to you.
Not exactly sure what post you are replying to.
Do you believe sandy berger stealing and destroying documents is just a smear from the vast right wing conspiracy?
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:25 pm
What he did was wrong, but he DID take copies, not originals.
Good try. Yes they were copies, but unlike the originals they had the handwritten notes on them.
Using logic, why else put your freedom in jeopardy to simply destroy copies of documents.
I still want to know why Bush/Cheney refused to take the oath, and why Bush couldn’t testify by himself, without Cheney.
It was a bush witch hunt. After the reps went after clinton revenge was on the mind of the democrats.
Did you catch the scooter libby trail? It was no secret who leaked valerie plame’s name, they went after scooter until he said something to contradict himself. Once he did he was charged with 2 counts of perjury and giving false statements. NO charges of outing a spy. Just like clinton was charged with any sex crimes, but perjury.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:34 pm
P2T:
It was a Bush witch hunt???? How would you characterize using taxpayer money to destroy Clinton’s career because of his sex life?
We go after Bush/Cheney because they are crooks and liars and people have lost their lives because of their idiocy.
Smee:
You’re a moron.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 pm
P2T:
It was a Bush witch hunt???? How would you characterize using taxpayer money to destroy Clinton’s career because of his sex life?
As a witch hunt. Politically motivated.
We go after Bush/Cheney because they are crooks and liars and people have lost their lives because of their idiocy.
Crooks and liars? If you said I hate the republicans for not being democrats that would be fine. To call them names that aren’t true doesn’t do your argument justice.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:55 pm
A few Bush administration lies:
1) The administration was not already determined to go to war:
According to Time’s March 31 road-to-war story,
“ Bush popped in on national security adviser Condi Rice one day in March 2002, interrupting a meeting on UN sanctions against Iraq. Getting a whiff of the subject matter, W peremptorily waved his hand and told her, “Fuck Saddam. We’re taking him out.”
Clare Short, Tony Blair’s former secretary for international development told the London Guardian that Bush and Blair made a secret pact a few months afterward, in the summer of 2002, to invade Iraq in either February or March of that year.
Rumsfeld wanted the “best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit S.H. [Saddam Hussein] at same time. Not only UBL [Usama bin Laden]…. Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not.”
2) WMD that posed a threat to the U.S:
Paul Wolfowitz admitted to Vanity Fair that weapons of mass destruction were not really the main reason for invading Iraq: “The decision to highlight weapons of mass destruction as the main justification for going to war in Iraq was taken for bureaucratic reasons…. [T]here were many other important factors as well.” Right. But they did not come under the heading of self-defense
3) An International Atomic Energy Agency report indicated that Iraq could be as little as six months from making nuclear weapons.
Alas: The claim had to be retracted when the IAEA pointed out that no such report existed.
4) Saddam was involved with bin Laden and al Qaeda in the plotting of 9/11.
According to former State Department intelligence chief Gregory Thielman, the consensus of U.S. intelligence agencies well in advance of the war was that “there was no significant pattern of cooperation between Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist operation.”
5) Saddam was capable of launching a chemical or biological attack in 45 minutes.
From the Washington Post:
“The 45-minute claim is at the center of a scandal in Britain that led to the apparent suicide on Friday of a British weapons scientist who had questioned the government’s use of the allegation. The scientist, David Kelly, was being investigated by the British parliament as the suspected source of a BBC report that the 45-minute claim was added to Britain’s public ‘dossier’ on Iraq in September at the insistence of an aide to Prime Minister Tony Blair–and against the wishes of British intelligence, which said the charge was from a single source and was considered unreliable.”
6) Forged Documents:
From the American Conservative:
Philip Giraldi
“My source also notes that Dick Cheney, who was behind the forgery, hated and mistrusted the Agency and would not have used it for such a sensitive assignment. “
7) Jessica Lynch:
They left it up to her to tell the truth.
8) During the 2004 campaign, Bush claimed “Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires — a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so.”
But,actually The administration requested the ability to conduct warrantless searches as part of the September 11th resolution, but Congress rejected this. In fact, Gonzales admitted that he was told by “certain members of Congress” that “that would be difficult if not impossible.”
Careful you don’t start to sound like the delusional parent of a rotten kid who believes that the teacher, the school, the coaches and the police are all lying . Everyone is lying but MY Little Pookie.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:48 pm
COPIES of classified Documents…..That’s a CRIME in itself. LOOK it up.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:05 am
COPIES of classified Documents…..That’s a CRIME in itself. LOOK it up.
Posted by Smee Again
August 25th, 2008 at 8:05 am
…………………………………..
And he paid for it.
What does that have to do with the Bush/Cheney administration?
If your kid gets drunk, steals a car, and crashes it, then points to another kid and says,”he did something wrong too!”, do you just say :
“Oh, well, it’s OK then.”?
Please!
This is why I think Republicans are like emotional, irresponsible parents, who only believe what they want.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:46 am
OH PLEEASE. Berger should be in the pen. You or I would be. Sure Bush pardoned some people. Clinton pardoned SCORES of people. Felons, Drug dealers, perjurors. Too numerous to look it all up. Here’s a few records though.
Clinton set these…..
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- Second president accused of rape**
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court
August 25th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Just because The Republican Congress and Justice Dept won’t investigate or prosecute THEIR guy, like they did Clinton, doesn’t mean greater crimes were not committed.
In spite of the Ken Starr, the public liked Bill Clinton.
I don’t think ANYONE thought the accusations against him were important. That’s why they were entertaining to most people, and he left office with 68% approval.
The Democrats realize that The media and the people are SO uncomfortable and ashamed of the crimes of the Bush administration, that they don’t even WANT investigations, they want to just turn away,and ignore them…… it’s too painful.
~ From 2001 to 2003, Republican staffers on the Senate Judiciary Committee illicitly accessed nearly 5,000 computer files containing confidential Democratic strategy memos about President Bush’s judicial nominees. The GOP used the memos to shape their own plans and leaked some to the media.
~ In mid-2004, Pentagon auditors determined that $1.8 billion of Halliburton’s charges to the government, about 40 percent of the total, had not been adequately documented.
~ In February 2003, Halliburton received a five-year, $7 billion no-bid contract for services in Iraq.
The Army Corps of Engineers’ top contracting officer, Bunnatine Greenhouse, objected to the deal, saying the contract should be the standard one-year length, and that a Halliburton official should not have been present during the discussions.
The FBI is investigating. The $7 billion contract was halved and Halliburton won one of the parts in a public bid. For her troubles, Greenhouse has been forced into early ‘retirement’
~ The inspector general of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq released a series of reports in July 2004 finding that a significant portion of CPA assets had gone missing — 34 percent of the materiel controlled by Kellogg, Brown & Root — and that the CPA’s method of disbursing $600 million in Iraq reconstruction funds “did not establish effective controls and left accountability open to fraud, waste and abuse.”
As much as $50 million of that money was disbursed without proper receipts.
The CPA has disbanded, but individual government investigations into the handling of Iraq’s reconstruction continue.
~ Bush and many officials in his administration made false statements about Iraq’s military capabilities, in the months before the United States’ March 2003 invasion of the country.
For one thing, it is a crime to lie to Congress, although Bush backers claim the president did not knowingly make false assertions.
A war spun out of control with unknowable long-term consequences. The Iraq Survey Group has stopped looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
~ Private contractors physically tortured prisoners in Iraq and kept undocumented “ghost detainees” in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
~ Illegal warrantless wiretapping.
~ Forging documents as a pretense for war
And still, why COULDN’T Bush/Cheney testify before the 9/11 Commission under oath and why COULDN’T Bush testify all by himself?
August 25th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Why couldn’t ronny Earle finish what he started??? IF Tom Delay was such a bad character?
Nothing you have above is fact. It all accusation based on nothing. What I said has truth.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Dummocrats got us in war too. Check it for teuth.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
August 25th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
The case against DeLay is moving right along:
The most recent phase that had to be resolved was:
AUSTIN — An appeals court has upheld money-laundering indictments against two of former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay’s political associates, finding that the Texas law is not unconstitutional vague or overbroad.
August 25th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
I’d say you haven’t done your homework.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367856,00.html
August 25th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Part of your link says:
“When DeGuerin filed a motion accusing Earle of prosecutorial misconduct two years ago, DeLay promised the evidence would be publicly unveiled “when it’s timely.” More than two years later, the evidence against Earle has yet to be delivered.”
My piece is from the Houston Chronicle Aug. 23, 2008,
I hope Earle isn’t as bad as Kenneth Starr, if he is, as wrong.
I think DeLay should have been drummed out of the congress for many reasons the K Street Project and Mariana Islands scandal:
From CNN:
“To grasp the moral bankruptcy of the public Tom DeLay, the House majority leader, you only have to know about Frank Murkowski and Saipan.
The real scandal of Tom DeLay
Monday, May 9, 2005 Posted: 12:14 PM EDT (1614 GMT)
WASHINGTON, D.C. (Creators Syndicate) — Forget the freebie trips across the Atlantic and the Pacific. Forget the casinos and the allegedly illicit contributions — they represent only degrees of avarice.
To grasp the moral bankruptcy of the public Tom DeLay, the House majority leader, you only have to know about Frank Murkowski and Saipan.
Today, Frank Murkowki is the governor of Alaska, but from 1980 to 2002, he was a conservative Republican senator from Alaska.
But as chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, Frank Murkowski became furious at the abusive sweatshop conditions endured by workers, overwhelmingly immigrants, in the U.S. territory of the Northern Mariana Islands, of which Saipan is the capital.
Because they were produced in a territory of the United States, garments traveled tariff-free and quota-free to the profitable U.S. market and were entitled to display the coveted “Made in the USA” label.
Among the manufacturers that had profited from the un-free labor market on the island were Tommy Hilfiger USA, Gap, Calvin Klein and Liz Claiborne.
Moved by the sworn testimony of U.S. officials and human-rights advocates that the 91 percent of the workforce who were immigrants — from China, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh — were being paid barely half the U.S. minimum hourly wage and were forced to live behind barbed wire in squalid shacks minus plumbing, work 12 hours a day, often seven days a week, without any of the legal protections U.S. workers are guaranteed, Murkowski wrote a bill to extend the protection of U.S. labor and minimum-wage laws to the workers in the U.S. territory of the Northern Marianas.
So compelling was the case for change the Alaska Republican marshaled that in early 2000, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed the Murkowski worker reform bill.
But one man primarily stopped the U.S. House from even considering that worker-reform bill: then-House Republican Whip Tom DeLay.
DeLay fully approved of the working and living conditions. The Texan’s salute to the owners and Abramoff’s government clients was recorded by ABC-TV News: “You are a shining light for what is happening to the Republican Party, and you represent everything that is good about what we are trying to do in America and leading the world in the free-market system”
Later, DeLay would tell The Washington Post’s Juliet Eilperin that the low-wage, anti-union conditions of the Marianas constituted “a perfect petri dish of capitalism. It’s like my Galapagos Island.”
Other Links:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/07/AR2006060701673.html
http://georgemiller.house.gov/marianasupdate.html
But what does this have top do with Bush not being able to testify by himself? (the only question I asked)
August 25th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Would you testify if you didn’t have to? Violates a basic priciple. I wouldn’t especially if I didn’t have to.
August 25th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Your homework is late. Give Delay his day….
August 25th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
#1 Bush DID testify…just not without Cheney.
#2 Clinton should have claimed executive privilege, and said ’screw you’ and refused to testify and had the Justice Dept fire Starr, and deleted his e mails, like Bush did.
Remember after Starr, the Republicans said, “No more special Persecutors..I mean prosecutors.”
Delay will get his day when the trail date is set.
And MY homework is MORE recent than yours.
August 25th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
You are totally predickable.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
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August 30th, 2008 at 8:39 am