Alan,
You should be ashamed of your comments RE: Palin`s new baby. You can comment on her “political record” all you want–but why stoop so low as to jeer at her family? You are guilty of all the criticism you accuse the “right” of doing. Sean should fire you!
Michael, I like Jay too but I doubt FOX will ever agree to 1 more liberal host there for a TOTAL OF 2 :). Because they’re soooo FAIR AND BALANCED (my a$$) and because they already have “so many” liberal commentators… the ratio Rep/Lib on FOX is probably 10:1 . And how come only the conservative hosts on FOX say it’s “fair & balanced”, but the few liberals there NEVER say that ? When was the last time Alan said “fair & balanced” about FOX?… i can’t recall him ever saying that actually.
If MSNBC is on the left end, then FOX is on the exact opposite end. Just like I’ve learned alot of negative stuff about Obama on FOX (both hard news AND talk shows), I’ve learned as much, if not more, negative stuff about Mccain on MSNBC, which FOX has CHOSEN not to cover.
No priniciples, Vince? Maybe CBS doesn’t have priniciples either. Re one of their documents that went unprinted in mainstream, after getting discovered…re what it purported Bev Harris wrote ‘…the erroneous 20,000 votes in Volusia was directly responsible to calling the election for Bush.’
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
also re the Swathmore hackers…
“Harris [Bev] writes that the hacked documents [Diebold] expose how the mainstream media reversed their call projecting Al Gore as winner of Florida after someone ’subtracted 16,022 votes from Al Gore, and in still some undefined way, added 4000 erroneous votes to George W. Bush.’”
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
also…
“While only 11% of Florida voters, African-Americans contributed 54% of the 180,000 spoiled votes. Since 87% of African-Americans in Florida vs. 45% of whites voted for Gore over Bush, these ballots alone likely represent a Gore advantage of approximately 60,000 votes–more than 1% of the statewide total.”
http://www.williambowles.info/us/question_elections.html
Sorry if this gets printed twice. I tried it once before and got nothing (vs earlier today when my posts went up quickly).
More old nuggets to jog my memory…and to shed some light on “principles” I guess. The last quote used to be at truthout.org, but Google found it for me it only at the site cited below today.
Maybe CBS doesn’t have “priniciples” either. Re one of their documents that went unprinted in mainstream, after it got discovered Bev Harris said that it purported ‘…the erroneous 20,000 votes in Volusia was directly responsible to calling the election for Bush.’
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
also
“Harris [Bev] writes that the hacked documents [Diebold] expose how the mainstream media reversed their call projecting Al Gore as winner of Florida after someone ’subtracted 16,022 votes from Al Gore, and in still some undefined way, added 4000 erroneous votes to George W. Bush.’”
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
also…
“While only 11% of Florida voters, African-Americans contributed 54% of the 180,000 spoiled votes. Since 87% of African-Americans in Florida vs. 45% of whites voted for Gore over Bush, these ballots alone likely represent a Gore advantage of approximately 60,000 votes–more than 1% of the statewide total.”
http://www.williambowles.info/us/question_elections.html
No priniciples? Maybe CBS doesn’t have priniciples either (mentioned in this article citing documents)…
16,022 votes subtracted and 4000 added? Hmmm….
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
“While only 11% of Florida voters, African-Americans contributed 54% of the 180,000 spoiled votes. Since 87% of African-Americans in Florida vs. 45% of whites voted for Gore over Bush, these ballots alone likely represent a Gore advantage of approximately 60,000 votes–more than 1% of the statewide total.”
http://www.williambowles.info/us/question_elections.html
16,022 votes subtracted and 4000 added? Hmmm….
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
Thanks Oldlefty. I seem to have somehow overlooked your contribution when I answered mouse.
Ah yes…ye olde scrubbing software
http://rangevoting.org/PalastFlaFelons.html
Only registered user allowed |
Jay’s going to be on!
August 29th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Can’t wait to hear Jay! Jay should have his own show on Fox too!
August 29th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
“The Bush Administration has proposed regulations that could seriously undermine the ability of American women to get basic reproductive health care, including birth control and abortion. The regulations put politics above women’s health care needs.”
https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?page=SplashPage&pagename=homepage&id=999
August 29th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Cheryl Carroll, you should send me a message to my profile.
http://www.myspace.com/democraticparty
August 29th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Cheryl !!!! SO glad you’re back!
Jay!!Alan & Jay…my dream talk radio team!
August 29th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
I thought before his announcement that McCain would lose the election. Today I am certain!
America is not voting gender or race, we’re voting for our lives! It’s about a government that allows its people to die from treatable illnesses, sends them to wars we never should’ve been in, unemployment, hunger, corporate greed, betrayal of trust, etc. Does he really believe women are so gullible?
August 29th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Dear Alan:
The Maverick?
Mc Cain should represent his party and the American people. Not playing president with evocative nominees . .
Congratulations ladies, its a historic day for American Woman, sniff*, sniff*
August 29th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
This is totally Off-Topic but I had to share it.
Dubai is building something they call the Ziggarut, which will be twice the height of the Sears Tower (the ST is ~1,100 ft)
The base of the building will be 2.3 KM^2 and house up to one million people
It’s very interesting looking.
Click on my name for the link.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Bet she makes a great apple pie?
August 29th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
i think its a cupcake ceiling now . .
August 29th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Maybe Ginger Bread ceiling, mioght work better . . ???
August 29th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
My subsciption to sirius was just cancelled. . Oh well see you later Alan
August 29th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
hey mary! you still here?
August 29th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Alan:
I was thinking, rare thing, Maybe you should pay for my sirius bill. Think of it as a microcosm.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:36 am
Nah, that’s real, liberalism. I’ll have my wife pay for it . . .
August 30th, 2008 at 2:40 am
Hey, this fun! Ruler of the Thread . . Errr . . hahahahaha . .
I am the boggle monster . . Boggles the mind . .
August 30th, 2008 at 2:41 am
Conjuror
August 30th, 2008 at 2:41 am
Jay Diamond makes a good cohost. He’s kind of annoying as a substitute host but the two of you work well together.
You’re kind of like Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon. Conan O’Brien and Max Weinberg. David Letterman and Paul Shaffer.
August 30th, 2008 at 4:48 am
Lemmie play media critique for a minute [Lord knows, they get me down]…
I figured Alan and Jay would be dynamite together.
Comments posted above re Sarah Palin right on.
Yep, it’s triage, Mary. And John McCain doesn’t get it. Not just his fault; it’s some vast momentum in which he is just one cog. Moyers was quoting a poll last night that had numbers in the south putting him a scary distance ahead. Twenty-five percent ahead in FL if I recall correctly. Course that could be a cushion of propaganda to help us accept more vote fraud down there. Did Kucinich mention that likelihood? Did anyone? I want to be positive, but there’s a dearth of re-framing in all this. Got no problem with going after bin Laden, but what about all our past in the whole arena? Is it gonna be like the truth re Vietnam and never get discussed till years and years have gone by? We get one movie about Charlie Wilson and that is supposed to satisfy all questions from the people re “The Great Game” continued in the closing years of the 20th century??? I guess Central Asia doesn’t exist in the media consumer’s mind, and all of Asia must be happenin in the bird’s nest. And what about the real deal re the Balkans war and Kosovo and the pipeline? [not that our country is the only fumbler on the planet]
Meanwhile all the scams goin down here givin everyone dust bowl blues all over again. These blues, a jam packed work week, my age too…I conked out after about 45 minutes of the show last night. But I’m sure many got a chance to dig the duo for the duration. I wish more folks had time to testify here, but perhaps I’m relatively lucky to have these few moments to do so myself.
Don’t know if the exclusion of Hillary is that big a tragedy. If McCain really is that far ahead down south…how would an Afro-A/woman ticket have played?
Despite the blues, like Katrina Vanden Heuvel I think there’s reason for hope now. Moyers was smart to have her on with Adolph Reed Jr. My own position seems to be somewhere between their two outlooks. Reed’s reservations seem appropriate; the candidate that’s an educator seems to be missing (Nader was a good explainer and exposer and teacher). A complete or more detailed model for more production here at home seems to be missing in Obama’s platform (even though through the speech(s) the Obama team has become unparalleled re telling it like it is).
“And in fact, I mean, one of my problems with Obama’s persona is that it’s built largely around redefining progressivism as the sort of left tail of a rational, neo-liberal politics.” Adolph Reed Jr last night on Moyers Journal [the link below is a long page]
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08292008/transcript4.html
August 30th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Vote fraud… you mean by those of the likes of ACORN?
(which Ayers the terrorist and Obama the Marxist funded through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge directly )
Doesnt this stuff bother any of you folks?
This is why I say that you Leftists have no principles…. you dont care when they are violated.. you violate them at will when it suits you, and you only care about who violates them.
Voter fraud… please… like any Leftist cares about voting integrity.
August 30th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
It’s ELECTION fraud that is the greater problem.
Excerpts from just one of many well sourced articles:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/4
I. The Exit Polls
The first indication that something was gravely amiss on November 2nd, 2004, was the inexplicable discrepancies between exit polls and actual vote counts. Polls in thirty states weren’t just off the mark — they deviated to an extent that cannot be accounted for by their margin of error. In all but four states, the discrepancy favored President Bush.(
According to Ron Baiman, vice president of the archive and a public policy analyst at Loyola University in Chicago, ”No rigorous statistical explanation” can explain the ”completely nonrandom” disparities that almost uniformly benefited Bush. The final results, he adds, are ”completely consistent with election fraud — specifically vote shifting.”
II. The Partisan Official
No state was more important in the 2004 election than Ohio.
But in the battle for Ohio, Republicans had a distinct advantage: The man in charge of the counting was Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of President Bush’s re-election committee.(43) As Ohio’s secretary of state, Blackwell had broad powers to interpret and implement state and federal election laws — setting standards for everything from the processing of voter registration to the conduct of official recounts.(44) And as Bush’s re-election chair in Ohio, he had a powerful motivation to rig the rules for his candidate
III. The Strike Force
In the months leading up to the election, Ohio was in the midst of the biggest registration drive in its history. To those on the ground, it was clear that Democrats were outpacing their Republican counterparts: ”The Democrats have been beating the pants off us in the air and on the ground,” a GOP county official in Columbus confessed to The Washington Times.(62)
To stem the tide of new registrations, the Republican National Committee and the Ohio Republican Party attempted to knock tens of thousands of predominantly minority and urban voters off the rolls through illegal mailings known in electioneering jargon as ”caging.
IV. Barriers to Registration
V. ”The Wrong Pew”
In one of his most effective maneuvers, Blackwell prevented thousands of voters from receiving provisional ballots on Election Day.
VI. Long Lines
When Election Day dawned on November 2nd, tens of thousands of Ohio voters who had managed to overcome all the obstacles to registration erected by Blackwell discovered that it didn’t matter whether they were properly listed on the voting rolls — because long lines at their precincts prevented them from ever making it to the ballot box. Would-be voters in Dayton and Cincinnati routinely faced waits as long as three hours. Those in inner-city precincts in Columbus, Cleveland and Toledo — which were voting for Kerry by margins of ninety percent or more — often waited up to seven hours. At Kenyon College, students were forced to stand in line for eleven hours before being allowed to vote, with the last voters casting their ballots after three in the morning.
VII. Faulty Machines
Voters who managed to make it past the array of hurdles erected by Republican officials found themselves confronted by voting machines that didn’t work. Only 800,000 out of the 5.6 million votes in Ohio were cast on electronic voting machines, but they were plagued with errors.(164) In heavily Democratic areas around Youngstown, where nearly 100 voters reported entering ”Kerry” on the touch screen and watching ”Bush” light up, at least twenty machines had to be recalibrated in the middle of the voting process for chronically flipping Kerry votes to Bush.
VIII. Rural Counties
Despite the well-documented effort that prevented hundreds of thousands of voters in urban and minority precincts from casting ballots, the worst theft in Ohio may have quietly taken place in rural counties. An examination of election data suggests widespread fraud — and even good old-fashioned stuffing of ballot boxes — in twelve sparsely populated counties scattered across southern and western Ohio: Auglaize, Brown, Butler, Clermont, Darke, Highland, Mercer, Miami, Putnam, Shelby, Van Wert and Warren. (See The Twelve Suspect Counties) One key indicator of fraud is to look at counties where the presidential vote departs radically from other races on the ballot. By this measure, John Kerry’s numbers were suspiciously low in each of the twelve counties — and George Bush’s were unusually high.
IX. Rigging the Recount
After Kerry conceded the election, the Green and Libertarian parties launched a recount of all eighty-eight counties in Ohio. Under state law, county boards of election were required to randomly select three percent of their precincts and recount the ballots both by hand and by machine. If the two totals reconciled exactly, a costly hand recount of the remaining votes could be avoided; machines could be used to tally the rest.
But election officials in Ohio worked outside the law to avoid hand recounts. According to charges brought by a special prosecutor in April, election officials in Cleveland fraudulently and secretly pre-counted precincts by hand to identify ones that would match the machine count. They then used these pre-screened precincts to select the ”random” sample of three percent used for the recount.
“Doesnt this stuff bother any of you folks?”
August 30th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
I heard this on some cable show last night …
that if nothing else, Dan Quayle should be grateful for McCain picking Palin. Sarah Palin makes Quayle look like Thomas Jefferson by comparison. The Quayle legacy just got a nice (relative) boost.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I disagree with Adolph Reed Jr [whom I mentioned above], though, on the claim that there’s no racial conflict. It’s a nice utopia to try to build, reinforce, or believe in; but in ones everyday world things are different. In fact there are many pretexts for rivalry in our society. Pop culture orientation, the meritocratic impetus, ones house, ones bling, ones turf, ones car, race, creed, philosophy, ones bumper stickers, ones decals, ones daring on the highway, ones reticence on the highway. Unlike the latter two, they say mimetic rivalry gets most intense between parties who share, say, political views which are similar (and I guess it’s intense between parties whose toys are similar).
There’s tremendous solidarity afoot when it comes to improving working conditions. Reed is right to note it transcends many categories. But that would all depend on the attitude you, by whatever fortune, mangage to take to the door on which you knock. For those caught in the treadmill of making a living below the professional class…when the prof from on high’s not bending your ear…all too often it’s like sharks in a tank that’ll use any justification to curse one another.
Yes, more digression…sorry if it waxed too long and/or too tangential. Maybe it’ll suggest, though, some issue like solidarity vs competition for a future show.
PS Please replace those bar-music bridges, Alan, once in a while with a Coldplay riff or two (use the heavier stuff)
August 30th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
You posted at 2:45 while I was typing the above post, Anonymouse.
Technique and gimmicks. Gimmicks and technique. Back in the day when I finished “The 480″ I figured all such critiques were pointing to an alternative that would probably take root in my lifetime. Life passed quick, and there’s an even bigger mountain of muck for critiques to deal with right now. I guess the roots are tiny and the leaves are too. But that beats the creeping nightmare of fear and conformity and hatemongering and Red baiting. All that took a hit Thursday night, and I’ll do what I can too to be a part of the attempt to hold the crap back.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Thanks Oldlefty. I seem to have somehow overlooked your contribution when I answered mouse.
Ah yes…ye olde scrubbing software
http://rangevoting.org/PalastFlaFelons.html
August 30th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
More old nuggets to jog my memory…and to shed some light on “principles” I guess. The last quote used to be at truthout.org, but Google found it for me it only at the site cited below today.
Maybe CBS doesn’t have “priniciples” either. Re one of their documents that went unprinted in mainstream, after it got discovered Bev Harris said that it purported ‘…the erroneous 20,000 votes in Volusia was directly responsible to calling the election for Bush.’
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
also
“Harris [Bev] writes that the hacked documents [Diebold] expose how the mainstream media reversed their call projecting Al Gore as winner of Florida after someone ’subtracted 16,022 votes from Al Gore, and in still some undefined way, added 4000 erroneous votes to George W. Bush.’”
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
also…
“While only 11% of Florida voters, African-Americans contributed 54% of the 180,000 spoiled votes. Since 87% of African-Americans in Florida vs. 45% of whites voted for Gore over Bush, these ballots alone likely represent a Gore advantage of approximately 60,000 votes–more than 1% of the statewide total.”
http://www.williambowles.info/us/question_elections.html
No priniciples? Maybe CBS doesn’t have priniciples either (mentioned in this article citing documents)…
16,022 votes subtracted and 4000 added? Hmmm….
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
“While only 11% of Florida voters, African-Americans contributed 54% of the 180,000 spoiled votes. Since 87% of African-Americans in Florida vs. 45% of whites voted for Gore over Bush, these ballots alone likely represent a Gore advantage of approximately 60,000 votes–more than 1% of the statewide total.”
http://www.williambowles.info/us/question_elections.html
16,022 votes subtracted and 4000 added? Hmmm….
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
August 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
No priniciples, Vince? Maybe CBS doesn’t have priniciples either. Re one of their documents that went unprinted in mainstream, after getting discovered…re what it purported Bev Harris wrote ‘…the erroneous 20,000 votes in Volusia was directly responsible to calling the election for Bush.’
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
also re the Swathmore hackers…
“Harris [Bev] writes that the hacked documents [Diebold] expose how the mainstream media reversed their call projecting Al Gore as winner of Florida after someone ’subtracted 16,022 votes from Al Gore, and in still some undefined way, added 4000 erroneous votes to George W. Bush.’”
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
also…
“While only 11% of Florida voters, African-Americans contributed 54% of the 180,000 spoiled votes. Since 87% of African-Americans in Florida vs. 45% of whites voted for Gore over Bush, these ballots alone likely represent a Gore advantage of approximately 60,000 votes–more than 1% of the statewide total.”
http://www.williambowles.info/us/question_elections.html
Sorry if this gets printed twice. I tried it once before and got nothing (vs earlier today when my posts went up quickly).
August 30th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Michael, I like Jay too but I doubt FOX will ever agree to 1 more liberal host there for a TOTAL OF 2 :). Because they’re soooo FAIR AND BALANCED (my a$$) and because they already have “so many” liberal commentators… the ratio Rep/Lib on FOX is probably 10:1 . And how come only the conservative hosts on FOX say it’s “fair & balanced”, but the few liberals there NEVER say that ? When was the last time Alan said “fair & balanced” about FOX?… i can’t recall him ever saying that actually.
If MSNBC is on the left end, then FOX is on the exact opposite end. Just like I’ve learned alot of negative stuff about Obama on FOX (both hard news AND talk shows), I’ve learned as much, if not more, negative stuff about Mccain on MSNBC, which FOX has CHOSEN not to cover.
August 30th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Alan,
You should be ashamed of your comments RE: Palin`s new baby. You can comment on her “political record” all you want–but why stoop so low as to jeer at her family? You are guilty of all the criticism you accuse the “right” of doing. Sean should fire you!
September 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pm