It’s About Judgment, Stupid
The post about Sarah Palin’s pre-natal care was taken down because of the vile comments made by a pletehora of conservatives who decided to invade the site and show us just how decent and value-driven some of them are. Nothing like epithet-hurling if you want to make your point, or if you have strong objections to what someone says or does. Furthermore, I in no way mean to suggest that her child’s Down Syndrome was in any way related to decisions she made. In fact I never mentioned Down Syndrome in the post. However, I apologize that my post was not more clear on that point. That is my fault, and I’ll take responsibility for not being more clear on that point. That being said…
Jaru summed it up on a previous thread.
Conservative hate was re-routed via conservative blogs!
Anyway, I love how everyone keeps trying to accuse Alan of accusing Princess Mooseburger of birthing a mentally retarded child on purpose.
He asked a judgement question about a 7 month pregnant woman who just had her water break GET ON A 12 HOUR FLIGHT TO GIVE BIRTH after giving a 30 MINUTE SPEECH instead of doing the SENSIBLE THING AND STAYING PUT WITH A DOCTOR.
The idea that you can’t question Sarah Palin’s judgment because she has a Down Syndrome baby is right up there with the outrage some feel the minute you question a man who was held in a prison camp for five years. Yet, the same outraged protectors of our values have no trouble questioning Obama’s judgment: a nodding acquaintance with someone in his neighborhood, his choice of a church, his very faith, and then they blamed that on the Clintons). The question was even raised as to whether he is hiding the truth of his birth certificate. In fact, hotair.com, the the site most outraged about what I posted, was one of the prime venues of the birth certificate debate, among others concerning Obama’s “judgment”. And let’s not forget the attacks on Michelle Obama and the insinuations that she doesn’t really love her country.
For the record, I think the McCain choice of Palin was caculatingly smart, in that it guarantees that a glass ceiling be broken after the coming election. I’m sure Sarah Palin is a fine person who is just very wrong on the issues and, like all of us, hasn’t always shown perfect judgment. But don’t tell me that John McCain chose the best person for the job, or that he didn’t make this choice reactively, because Hillary Clinton is not on the Democratic ticket.
For the record, here is the link to Rogers Cadenhead’s post on the issue of judgment.
Maybe Palin’s actions can be written off as Alaskan grit, since she’s a macho hunting governor who jogs in freezing temperatures and dines on moose burgers. But as a parent myself, I think the Palins were extremely fortunate that their reckless stupidity did not end in tragedy. As middle-aged parents who already had four kids, the Palins had to be completely familiar with all the things that can go wrong in a pregnancy. One commenter on the Washington Times laid out the enormous risk she was taking:
Airlines are unequipped to handle most emergencies at 30,000 feet, particularly the kind Palin put her unborn child at markedly increased risk for. These emergencies include birthing a premature infant or uncontrolled maternal bleeding. This was her FIFTH pregnancy and delivery can happen rapidly and unexpectedly. The baby or Palin could easily have died.
The Anchorage Daily News gave the chronology of events the day Palin was in Dallas giving a speech where she began contractions, and water broke. It quotes Dr. Laurie Gregg, a Sacramnto obstetrician:
[Dr. Laurie Gregg] who is active in the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said when a pregnant woman’s water breaks, she should go right to the hospital because of the risk of infection. That’s true even if the amniotic fluid simply leaks out…”To us, leaking and broken, we are talking the same thing. We are talking doctor-speak,” Gregg said.
Down Syndrome is another matter, and can sometimes be related to a mother’s age. This is a risk that older parents take, and one the Palins took consciously, and not irresponsibly.
Because of prenatal testing, most families now know beforehand, said Judy Waldron, president of the Alaska chapter of the National Down Syndrome Congress, a support and education group that delivered a parent packet to the Palins in the hospital.
“They anticipate it and they kind of relish the challenge of having a child with special needs,” said Waldron, an Anchorage teacher whose 19-year-old daughter, Lyn, has Down syndrome.
If we are going to evaluate candidates based on life decisions: what churches they attend, what religions they practice, who their preachers are, who their friends are, all of which fall under the rubrick of “judgment”, then all of this is fair game. That argument cuts many ways so, to quote my least favorite president, “Bring it on.”
Alan,
I used to have some respect for you now your just a sick P.O.S.. The woman had 5 children and I would say she understands better then you ever will about having children. Of course your of the party that says ” KILL THEM ALL” Murders!!!!! and your one of them.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Of course, that works. Remove the post, remove the comments. And then blame the necessity of the removal on the comments. Which no one can now see! And then base your argument on ‘evidence’ that isn’t available.
You could have frozen the comments, Alan. And then left up the original post and comments. But that isn’t the liberal way. You could have left the post up, and deleted any posts using profanity. Nope, that isn’t the liberal way. What you have done is destroyed the ‘evidence’ so you can make up anything you want.
Your actions speak much louder than your words.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
As one of the “brights” you perhaps owe it to yourself to discover that Down’s Syndrome is the result of a chromosome breaking that occurrs mostly in older women. Pre-natal care has nothing to do with it. Are you so terrified of a strong, intelligent, independent woman who disagrees with you on major economic and foreign policy issues that you are reduced to such idiocy?
August 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Alan,
You are a lying P.O.S.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Mr. Colmes, A simple apology from you would have been the decent thing to do. Instead, you delete the post and blame those who pointed out your error of judgment. Step back and take a deep breath. I don’t believe you are really this callous.
But if you are, shame on you, again.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:04 pm
I see you are learning from your mentor Barack Obama. Take down the original post and then blame your complete lack of judgement and human decency on those of us who called you out on it.
Laurie Gregg is not Sarah Palin’s OB and she doesn’t know her medical history.
It’s about being a decent human being, stupid.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Hmmmm. Your ego is -that- big is it?
No apology. You try and divert blame to the “vile” comments of conservatives.
I will echo Mark here. Shame on you.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
What ‘cha gonna do Alan? Delete this post too?
But the head line fits, Alan. It is about judgment. Your judgment, Alan.
So, tell me. How did Obama and Ayers spend that 100 million of the Chicago Annenbury Challenge? I guess you won’t be able to flush that down the memory hole.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Alan,
On some big score board, you’ve pegged the hypocrite meter. Attacking a woman for having a Down Syndrome child is about as low as one can go. It was unseemly in the extreme.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Had no idea that Colmes was also an ob/gyn specializing in high risk pregnancies.Perhaps he prefers his women to be hidden away for the 9 months of pregnancy. Sounds like you have some issues bud.TWL. Typical white lib.Hypocritical and callous.Next up, panel discussion with Michael Moore, KOS,and the azzhat ex DNC chairman on pregnancy, hurricane Gustav, and why everything is the fault of GW Bush.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Blame it on the conservative blogs, sure. Man up and attack with real facts. I hope Fox takes notice and takes you down because of your vile putrid ramblings.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Well, whatever she did, it was a choice. And we know not to ever question a woman’s “choice” when it comes to women’s health issues. This is between her and her doctor. Isn’t that right?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
“epithet-hurling if you want to make your point”
As opposed to you, who yells over critics and blames your removal of a vile post on the commenters at your site.
I run a Wordpress-based blog. You could’ve kept the post up and deleted/shut off the comments. Someone used bad judgment, but it wasn’t the commenters. They’re simply the scape-goat for your stupidity.
“But don’t tell me that John McCain chose the best person for the job, or that he didn’t make this choice reactively, because Hillary Clinton is not on the Democratic ticket. ”
There was a ground-swell of support for Palin amongst conservative activists for quite some time now. $7 million doesn’t pour in because there was no support except that he picked her to win over PUMAs.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
You want to talk about what’s vile? The vile responses of the Obama campaign and its surrogates to the Palin announcement, that’s what’s vile. But liberals are incapable of seeing their own hypocrisy, even when it is so blatant. You really think “moderate” women will reject Gov. Palin because she’s pro-life? By moderate, I assume you mean rabid NARAL feminists, correct? I really appreciate how your liberals have sharpened the focus of the campaign on issues — like the issue of your complete abrogation of civility and decency. Good job, Alan.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Alan, you are beyond nasty. Beyond.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Alan,
Taking down the offensive post and then blaming it on “offensive comments” that no one can see is the height of cowardice. You are a moral coward.
I used to have a modicum of respect for you, even though you’re a Lefty. Not any more.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Alan, you’re still way off base here.
First of all, you’re of the “her body, her choice” crowd, so you should have absolutely NOTHING to say about this. Remember, there’s no baby there, just a “woman’s body”, right Al?
But the venom you attracted with your post is just sort of a boiling over of the attacks we’ve seen from you and all of your liberal friends, on this decent woman. Are you aware (I’m sure you are) what your Kos Kids and DUers are pushing? They’re saying that this is Palin’s oldest daughter’s baby, and there’s a big cover-up, etc. etc. Understand why people are infuriated by the shameless attacks you people are launching?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
If you’d like, Alan, I could explain how to put that post back up without those “vile” comments. After all, the only reason you took it down was because of those evil conservatives, right?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Colmes, judgment of Palins’ prenatal care is not any of your business, period. I guess I missed the extensive 50 year OB/GYN report of Hillary Clinton & Nancy Pelosi that you put forth that also questioned their judgment in matters that you feel that you should take upon yourself. Please reprint these for me as I now feel like I’m obligated to judge all OB/GYN decisions of all the elected females now holding office. Colmes, your classless act will not go unnoticed by your shows’ sponsors or those from who employee you. I don’t mind your liberal views, but your on some kind of smear campaign if there ever was one & it will not go on unanswered.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Your original article was beyond the lowest of the low. It also was sexist, just plan incorrect in re the actual content, and smarmy.
Liberals are for strong women unless they are running against Democrats.
By the way, I’m a Democrat, and I’ll be voting McCain/Palin. I was overjoyed when Palin was named, and I made a contribution to McCain that same day.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Mr. Colmes, I am a conservative and a fan of your show with Sean Hannity. I like you on the show even though we rarely agree because you generally present your points honestly.
That said, this is weak. You made a baseless attack on Ms. Palin. You criticized her judgment and character during pregnancy even though your entire base for attack was entirely inaccurate. Then, when it was pointed out that you were wrong, you pulled the piece and made up a lame excuse for why you pulled it.
No, it is not out of bounds to criticize her for her mothering skills, but that is a criticism you had better make carefully. Do I need to remind you of Tom Cruise. It is nothing short of chutzpah for you to criticize a mother of five. It was a smear plain and simple and you are better than that.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
I’ve watched H&C in the past; I will not do so in the future. It’s a viewer’s choice. I hope the show’s ratings tank. You could be easily replaced by an intelligent liberal. Susan Estrich comes immediately to mind.
I’ve e-mailed Hannity to fire or suspend you. I’ve e-mailed Special Report to the same effect. If I knew the name of the person who has the authority at Fox to yank you, I’d e-mail that person too.
Even MSNBC disciplined Schuster for characterizing the Clintons as “pimping out” Chelsea during the primaries. You reflect poorly on Fox.
Have a nice life.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Why am I not suprised that you’re blaming “conservative hate” for the angry response to your chickensh*t - there is no other word for it - cheapshot at Sarah Palin and her child?
I believe the psychological term for your condition is “projection.”
Congratulations, Alan. You’ve gone from merely defending the indefensible, to being indefensible in your own right.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Alan, in all honesty, I thought you were a decent guy, but your post about Sarah Palin and her pregnancy has changed my perception.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Is that your position Alan? That all women policitians should have their medical decisions examined? DWIGG has it right.
Alan Colmes calls for all women politicians to have their medical choices reviewed in order to demonstrate their fitness for the office.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Bring it on?? You got it! I’ll bring every woman in every parent group for special needs children with me. You don’t even apologize, you’ll regret that.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
CC’d from the other thread:
I think he did the responsible thing. Now, if you had just stopped at calling Alan dirty Jewish baby killer, he maaaayy have let it slide. Calling Barack Obama a various plethora of racial slurs was completely inappropriate as well. I’m thinking it’s not the first time it’s happened on Alan.com, but just a wild guess.
But political posturing of a child with Down Syndrome is disgusting.
He didn’t say, “What kind of mother runs for VP with an infant with Down syndrome?” He didn’t say, “Did she take all of her prenatal vitamins?” He didn’t go as far as some Republicans as to ask if she practice sodomy in the bedroom as I doubt Alan (or other dirty Jews like myself if you want to keep slinging) is in the business of figuring out what people do in the bedroom.
No. Governor Palin made a very clear and very public questionable judgement call that endangered a seven month old fetus and…well, bragged about it.
But if those who dislike Alan or his political views want to turn this into something much bigger - and nastier - than what it is, you may think you’re advocating your own cause, but you’re really just using an infant child with disabilities for your own political agenda because you have nothing else to stand on.
And when that doesn’t work, you attack Jews and Muslims and black people.
Alan did the responsible thing by closing the thread. He’s a journalist and a public figure. And in case you conservatives forgot, this is also his blog. If he saw a thread spinning out of control because of its highly insensitive, bigoted, racist and ethnocentric tone, he had every right to make that judgement call.
And that’s a judgement call I’m not going to question.
-JoyAnn Ruscha
August 31st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Wow, Alan. I hope to God you stay on the air. Comments such as yours are a lightening rod for the Republican base. I always thought you were a Republican ‘plant,’ but from what I’m reading on Kos and HuffPo it looks like you are just towing the Party line. If this is the Hope & Change I hear about then I’ll take the other bus. Good luck with this type of “low road” campaigning!
August 31st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
I have to laugh at this statement:
He asked a judgement question about a 7 month pregnant woman who just had her water break GET ON A 12 HOUR FLIGHT TO GIVE BIRTH after giving a 30 MINUTE SPEECH instead of doing the SENSIBLE THING AND STAYING PUT WITH A DOCTOR.
My wife and I are expecting our 4th child, and one thing that is clear (and anyone who reads any of the multitudes of books about birth) is that having one’s water break does not equate to imminent birth. Although this is what always happens in movies or tv shows, it isn’t so in real life.
Our youngest was born nearly 32 hours after my wife’s water breaking, I can guarantee you that we would not have stayed that far from home. Given the opportunity, my wife would have chosen to fly home to her doctor, to her maternity center, to be near her family.
Clearly, Gov. Palin did the same thing. And as her husband, I would have supported her. Sorry, but questioning her judgment in this situation is a pretty weak argument, and yet another strawman set up by a liberal to attack a formidable foe. Palin’s decision about where she would give birth to her child is much smarter the Obama’s decision to sit under the teaching of Jeremiah Wright, to be friends with Bill Ayers, etc.
If we want to talk about judgement calls, let’s talk about apples-apples. This is a pretty pathetic attempt.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Sorry Alan. OBAMA has asked us to assess his judgement. Sarah Palin did not ask anyone to question her judgement in having a downs syndrome baby. You crossed the line big time. Suck it up.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:33 pm
in typical liberal cowardice, you have taken down the pre-natal post. But it is forever screen-capped by at least a couple of blogs for the world to read and by which to be repulsed.
As i said in my other post: darkness cannot stand the light of truth.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Mr. Colmes,
The comments you got yesterday weren’t “vile” — by internet standard (see any column of comments in the Daily Kos) they were restrained and to the point, and called for a more thoughtful response than what you’ve given us today.
Jaru sums it up inaccurately. None of the responders to your post were “trying to accuse Alan of accusing Princess Mooseburger of birthing a mentally retarded child on purpose.” None of the commenters thought you had claimed or implied that. What many _were_ ciriticizing was the idea that any sort of maternal behavior could cause Down’s Syndrome. (I don’t recall that you claimed that either, but we can’t re-read your post now.)
Many of the responses were from readers who agree with you politically, but who thought you had badly presumed in judging how a woman (who was under a doctor’s care and advisement) should have handled her pregnancy. I’m sure you remember these.
And I’m sure you recall that many noted your new concern for unborn babies. This was admittedly sarcastic, but a nice point anyway.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Alan…
Your mother must have been stressed too. Except in your case you grew up to be a pustulant boil on the buttocks of humanity all by yourself.
Now I have lowered myself to your level.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Why not just keep the post and remove the comments?
Your rationale is weak.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Mr. Colmes,
First, you post an inflammatory and offensive post. Fine. Free speech, of course, permits that. It shouldn’t be unexpected that many would respond to you both rationally and/or emotionally to rebut a perceived, if not actual, smear.
So, your response was to purge your original comment plus all of the public responses whether they were actually “vile” or epithet-laden or not. As a matter of fact, they all weren’t. Angry? Critical? Sure, but not necessarily offensive. Of course, one man’s offense is another man’s critique, right?
What was placed in its stead? Nothing except for the follow-up post indicating “technical issues” with no reference to the deleted post. Understandable if your server was flooded from extra traffic, but not excusable if that was all you did to hide from your original commentary.
It turns out that those who thought you sent the comment down the memory hole due to the public response and critique and not due to server technicalities were right. Now, since screen captures were made in time to document your purge, you have to try and escape your hole. Consequently, we now have the “It’s About Judgment, Stupid” post “for the record.”
The problem is that your attempt to be true to the record isn’t really that true. Sure, you’ve linked to others who made statements, but you neglect to report your own originals. You are whitewashing your personal contribution to the debate and shifting responsibility to a degree to those you link. I’d call that pretty dishonest and not the record-correcting virtuosity you would surely like to project. Don’t hide behind the others’ posts.
Perhaps you could quit digging and just repost your original comments, append an apology to Mrs. Palin, and then lock the thread. For the record.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:35 pm
[...] not appointing himself the arbiter of proper motherhood, he’s rewriting history. However, his post at Liberaland today isn’t so much offensive to Allahpundit and me as it is revealing of Colmes’ lack of [...]
August 31st, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Alan, I was one of those that responded to your blog, using no cuss words. The name is Richard (talking abuout snake’s ass). By the way… I’m a Democrat.
We have a new campaign cheer-
No Bama! NoBama!
Go, Mama! Go, Mama!
August 31st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Alan, the vile comments I saw before the post was deleted was no worse than other comments that I have seen you comment after on other threads on other days. Just admit to your extremely poor judgement and not lay blame on others behavior. But from what I am beginning to learn, that is a liberal/leftist way of dealing with bad behavior on their own parts. I have been tuning out on you lately, and now well, have a good life if that’s at all possible.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
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…invading? Oh, so we’re invading your blog? If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I guess you’re being censored, right?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Folks, Colmes is most likely going to continue to squirm around on this, as this is what he does best. If you want a more direct confrontation to Colmes on this subject, on the air, please send your response to: hannity@foxnews.com
I personally would like Hannity to ask Colmes on the Fox H&C Show to make a personal apology to the Palin family for engaging in this most tasteless show of “smear journalism” & also to ask if he took it upon himself to seek this avenue of questioning himself or were others involved. Since no apology has yet to be offered by Colmes, one must assume that it is hard to see past such vile when snakes are able to kick dirt in your face.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
You stepped in it big time, Alan. Why don’t you just admit that you would much rather have preferred Governor Palin kill her baby son than give birth to him, which is the liberal way of coping with responsibility. Why don’t you liberals do the entire world a favor and abort yourselves out of existence.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
“Furthermore, I in no way mean to suggest that her child’s Down Syndrome was in any way related to decisions she made. In fact I never mentioned Down Syndrome in the post. However, I apologize that my post was not more clear on that point. That is my fault, and I’ll take responsibility for not being more clear on that point.” - You
Why did you start off by rambling about conservatives?
If, in fact, you’re telling the truth, you should have either 1. Cleared up the misconceptions within the article itself (edited it!) or 2. Not posted it in the first place.
I would say that you lost my respect with this nasty stunt, Alan, but you never had it in the first place.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Colmes, you are a sick mf’er. Intelligence is not your strong suit.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Alan, YOU ABSOLUTELY SICKEN ME!!! There is an extra-warm room waiting for you in Hell. You clearly have no class, conscience, or sense of basic human decency. I hope you are promptly fired from Fox and replaced by another carbon-based liberal scumbag. Beckel comes to mind.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:43 pm
===was one of the prime venues of the birth certificate debate===
Actually, Colmes, hotair was trying to debunk the birth certificate stupidity. And said it was a stupid truther-type distraction. Don’t compound your stupidity with lies. Okay?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Alan,
I used to like watching you but that ain’t going to happen any more. You have shown me just what this New Democratic Party really is…………A bunch of spoiled stupid losers.
Any thing you have to say will be dismissed as crap from now on.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
“The post about Sarah Palin’s pre-natal care was taken down because of the vile comments made by a plethora [corrected} of conservatives “
WTF?
You took it down because you are a coward and can’t face scrutiny of you weirdo beliefs.
But please keep it up, America needs guys like you to demonstrate just how unhinged the left really is.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
LOL!!!!!!!!
Alan, I read those first comments and I read your post.
You are a weasel.
Did I just here a pop?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
If anyone wants to see the comments, click on my name, i have a webpage where I saved them.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Ya know Alan, for a group as offensive as the conservatives are, they sure are easily offended. These pigs are hidng behind the fact that this poor kid has a disability. I can see it now. Any attack on McCain or Palin will be met with cries of “He was a POW” or “She has a special needs child”. They have no problem with tearing apart Michelle with her supposed hatred of the country for ONE slip-up that she has explained.
I particularly like these wild accusations of liberals wanting women to have abortions constantly. Their time is almost up. McCain’s pick of Palin was pathetic. Every attack on Democrats about experience is gone. Whether or not you agree with Obama, he has run the most impressive, tightly run and biggest fundraising campaign in the history of this country. Even more than Reagan or Dubya.
On the one hand they attack Obama’s patriotism and spread lies about his religious beliefs, but don’t question the Republican ticket because they have tragidies to hide behind. It’s pathetic. After Obama’s speech and McCains idiotic selection, I’m not even upset at the attacks anymore.
The Conservatives are finished. Finished. Finished. Finished. If all they have is baseless attacks, hiding behind the life experiences of their candidates, and a total lack of ideas, the average voter will not be swayed by this tactic. The questionable way Dubya was “elected” BOTH times, has given the average voter (who really don’t start paying attention until September) a reason to pay attention to the issues. The republicans haven’t come up with anything new except cheap gimmicks. Obama has laid out a plan for this country.
McCain must think women are complete idiots for thinking Clinton supporters will go to him because of his choice of Palin. This election will be a landlside for Obama and the Congress will be cleared out of Republicans. Bray like the asses you are conservatives. Your time is over…
August 31st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
You took the post down? That’s just cowardice. You said what you said and when people push back you try to hide what you wrote and then attack others for taking issue with you.
Of course people who did not read your original article now have no idea why people were angry with you. All they can see is your attacks on your critics.
How brave.
Stalin would be proud.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Hmm. My first peek into Liberaland. I think I’ll just close this door softly and back away. I “hope” the monster will just stay in there.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
What is vile, Colmes, is you.
The filth you have descended to spewing is not rational dissent or acceptable criticism. It is, as has so long been true of you, the bleatings of a bitter and deranged mind.
At one time, Americans could disagree about politics and maintain a civil discourse. That is no longer true, thanks to you and others of your ilk.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Are you sure you removed the post because of all the vile comments? Because that wouldn’t make any sense, how about you just disable the comments for the story?
I’m guessing you removed the story because you regretted posting the story. I don’t really doubt that all the comments screwed with your host, but like I said - just disable them after the first 100 or so.
This is my timeline of events:
You had this thought pop into your head, “Hey it would be a good idea if I attacked her on her pregnancy!”
…moments later…
“Oh no, there are conservatives on the internet as well as the liberals I was hoping to reach! This could be bad, this could give those conservatives ammunition… I know, I’ll just delete the post - then make a statement without including the original story… Yeah, everyone will forget.”
For a screen capture of the story before it was sucked into the memory hole:
http://wizbangblog.com/images/2008/08/you_stay_classy_alan_colmes/AlanColmes-Sick.png
August 31st, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Alan, Do you have any children? Didn’t think so.
Have you ever been pregnant? Didn’t think so.
So then STF up.
You owe many people apologies - I doubt that you understand that.
Shame
August 31st, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Oh the conservative love and self righteous comments. You guys have learned well from your mentors….take comments out of their context and begin shouting to shush the other person. All of this to show the public that the R’s are the right and moral party to run the show in America. First, I don’t recallreading that the First Amendment Rights in this country are under suspension. This is Alan’s blog he can damn well say whatever he wants. Second, a seven month pregnant woman not heeding medical advice after her water has broken is just asking for trouble - speech or not - that baby was the important issue. Third, John McCain has shown very poor judgment in selecting Sarah Palin for a running mate. The decision just goes to show that he is more interested in the R party and obsessed with Hillary Clinton (as most R’s are and I have stated before the Clinton’s are a hate industry within itself)instead of staying with the truly important issues. I would venture to say that if John McCain had his way he probably, in his soul, wishes Joe Biden was on his ticket. All John McCain has done with his decision is to raise the Clinton’s ire and as I have said again - they will be out campaigning even more then they probably had originally anticipated to defeat the McCain/Palin ticket.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Dr. Laurie Gregg is not allowed to comment on the specific treatment of a patient under the ethics rules of the American Medical Association, nor should she be rendering a diagnosis without having seen either the patient or the patient’s medical records. I would be happy to file a formal complaint against her with the AMA and American College if you would like to continue to assert that any general information she may have given you applies to Sarah Palin and her child.
The actions that Sarah Palin took in this matter are perfectly appropriate. She called her physician, who approved her flight back to Alaska, since she was not exhibiting signs of active labor. She called him a second time from Seattle and he approved her continued travel.
It is always more appropriate for a pregnant woman to communicate with and seek treatment from her own physician, who is familiar with her case and has access to all of her testing and other medical records, than it is for her to appear in an ER far from home outside of a DIRE emergency. While a discharge of amniotic fluid does require that a patient be seen by her physician, that alone does not indicate a DIRE emergency. The general window is about 24 hours. Sarah Palin made it home well within that time frame.
Further, Down’s Syndrome alone does not indicate that a given pregnancy is of any more risk that that same pregnancy would be absent the Down’s Syndrome.
At this point you are bordering on libel. I suggest that you issue an immediate retraction and apology
August 31st, 2008 at 2:53 pm
You know, I have thought about this more.
I think we should just let the Colmes of politics have there bed.
Let them make it and then Lie there scrawny little butts down to take a nap, after their long and arduous laboring in attacking the five time labored Gov of Alaska.
It is showing the rest of these Great STates just what the democrats have become.
Bravo!
August 31st, 2008 at 2:53 pm
How can a professional makes such a stupid mistake? Maybe I should be on TV. Clearly there’s no need for common sense or comprehending cause and effect.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
How DARE you tell a woman what she can do with her own body! /sarc
You’re a disgrace, Alan.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
“Every attack on Democrats about experience is gone.”
Uh huh. The Republicans put the inexperienced one at the bottom and the experienced one at the top. The Democrats put the experienced one at the bottom and the inexperienced one at the top. If you think Americans can’t tell the difference, you seriously underestimate their intelligence.
“Obama has laid out a plan for this country. ”
You can tell, considering even liberals have been saying his plans are short on details.
“The Conservatives are finished. Finished. Finished. Finished.”
They said that in the 70’s, 90’s, and in 2004. We’ve been “finished” forever, yet keep winning elections.
“This election will be a landlside for Obama and the Congress will be cleared out of Republicans. ”
John Zogby’s prediction on the eve of the 2004 election: Bush will lose in a landslide and Democrats may even gain control of Congress.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Alan, I’m happy to see you have many more readers than you had listeners on Radio Graffiti. I see you still stand by your words. Good luck with that.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Media Matters for Leftists won’t dare report on this … Sarah isn’t the right sort of woman, and besides.. she had it coming to her.. she should enjoy it.. Isn’t that so, lefties?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Hooray for JoyAnn - a welcome breath of fresh air. Those fundie zombies sure take a power of stopping when the get the righteous (not!) bit between their teeth. Never mind the facts - they are still pouring out the same hateful bile after Alan made himself even clearer. Not that he needed to. The woman was clearly trying for a fundie abortion or a face-saving cover-up for her poor pregnant daughter.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Alan,
This still doesn’t change how I feel about you, and your recent post.
All respect for you is gone. And I’m sure many thousands of your former fans or semi-fans feel that way.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Alan would be revering this woman as a progressive saint had only the facts been a bit different.
A. Had she gotten that baby scrapped out as a late term abortion. In such case, Alan and his minions would ask us how anyone could DARE invade the sanctity of the woman’s discussions with her doctor or about HER BODY.
B. Had she attempted an abortion but wound with a live birth, then leaving it to die on the table. Alan would have told us that though rare, real choice requires that this be OK. (And Obama gave a speech in state office supporting that outcome. Really.)
C. Had the kid was a been born as a fetal alcohol crack / meth baby, and simply joined 4 siblings all with different baby-daddies on the public dole because the fathers were unknown or in prison. She’d be trumpeted as the the shibboleth of the democratic welfare state, the single mother in need of the state’s caring benevolence.
Sick, really.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Alan,
Your classless.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Your prior post suggested Gov. Palin did not seek proper pre-natal care and did not specifically outline that you were criticizing her decision to return home while in labor vs. the pre-natal care. You have no cause to complain about critical comments that politely pointed out how foolish and ill-bred it was to criticize her pre-natal care.
You may have a point about her decision to return home while in labor being risky. However, without knowing more about her situation, it’s hard to judge this. It’s also hard to fault a woman wanting to have her baby at her own hospital, with her own doctor attending, and with her family there. Since she has had 4 other children and went to the trouble of having pre-natal testing so she could be prepared for whatever it showed, I’m willing to assume she made a reasoned decision. Now can we please drop this entirely private matter and shift back to political issues?
This matter does not compare to the judgement of Sen. Obama choosing to associate himself with a hate-spewing preacher for 20 years or an unrepentant 70’s era bomber. If you come up with something that suggests Gov. Palin associated with abortion clinic bombers, then we can talk. Otherwise, you’re way off base.
Oh, and drop the criticism of the conservative blogs. I’ve personally read postings on Hot Air debunking the Obama birth certificate conspiracy theories. The Hot Air posters prefer to criticize the Obama/Biden ticket on legitimate issues and not wacko nonsense.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Alan,
If the comments were so vile, then put the post back up and disable comments on it. Show us how tame your post was.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Please keep attacking Palin for being a mother and making bad choices for her family. Most mothers respond very well to the idea that anything wrong with their children is their fault.
Please keep comparing Palin’s ‘decision’ to have a Down’s child with BHO’s decision to closely associate himself with the moral equivilent of a nazi war criminal and a preacher whose church was basically a chapter of the black KKK.
And don’t forget to often refer to the depth of experience necessary to run for the Presidency.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Alan:
This, too, shall pass. Hang in there.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Here is what Hot Air posted about the Birth Certificate flap:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/31/alan-colmes-should-read-for-comprehension/
They debunked it! Alan even lied about that. Did he think no one would call him on it? What a tool.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
By the way, how did the Dobson group plan work? I guess the weather they “prayed” for showed up a little late. Oh well, Dubya and Cheney got out of the way of the convention so as not to damage McCain. Maybe THIS time Dubya can pretend he gives a shit about the country…
August 31st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
No, the most vile aspect of it is that Alan is using such a repugnant topic to try to build traffic for this lousy site. Scum.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Running in “freezing temperatures” does not show “grit”.
You can run in shorts down to about -5F (no wind) before it gets into “gritty” territory. Colder than that should not be a problem with the right gear.
Sarah Palin: panty-waist sissy.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
This post has been debunked already and full of lies. I guess Alan will have to delete this one also.
No one cared about the birth certificate at HotAir and the few posts made on it debunked the rumors.
NO ONE, except in your own mind, has stated that anyone shouldn’t question Palin’s judgement. Any questions are welcomed.
The only judgement in question is Alan’s. Alan thinks the only women that should be allowed to be involved in politics are the ones that aborted or murdered their babys before or after birth (born alive bill anyone). You are a sick individual Alan.
Yes Alan, your hypocrisy and lies are transparent to even the dumbest of your own fan base.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:10 pm
You’re a pathetic little man.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Alan,
It’s not the fault of those who left vile comments that you pulled your post… could it be your own for posting the post?
Show the post… Show the post.. Show the post… Show the post… I didn’t even get a chance to read it.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Alan, I posted on your site last night before your took it down. “IT AIN’T GETTING ANY BETTER FOR YOU!!!!!!”
“Fox” should fire you!
August 31st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
At the end of the day, we still don’t know it we should call Palin mom or granny. LOL!
August 31st, 2008 at 3:13 pm
FuryFreak is acting as if Dobson actualy has control over the weather.
Has anyone else noticed how increasingly insane and infantile the Left is getting?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Alan, proofread your posts. It’s hard enough to take you seriously on H&C, but your writing on this blog confirms your carelessness.
I encourage all to e-mail Fox to complain about Colmes’s irresponsible blogging. He has EVERY right to yack all he wants. But TV viewers have a right to demand serious and respectful hosts. Colmes fails that standard. Let MSNBC and its sponsors pay his salary.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Why is Fox News throwing their money away on such a vile/lowdown dirty dog like you are Mr. Colmes?For the life of me I can not imagine why such a decent MAN like Sean Hannity will even set next to you,just to air that show! My guess would be because they have to do that in view of that network being a “FAIR&BALANCED NETWORK”!And it clearly shows the people the stark difference between a good Conservative and a liberal such as you are!He has to be a good Conservative to keep his cool I must say.I read all the comments that have vanished,and I must say that you will go to great lengths to try and cover up what you said in your article.Not to mention what all the commenters think about you.I would try and cover up too if I were in your shoes!But to blame it on something else is beyond the pale,don’t you think?Question “how can you look at your face in the mirror,knowing how people think of you now?”I am not calling you dirty names nor saying a lot of the things such as I read last night Mr. Colmes,(although I want to)I am only saying what I fill that a good Conservative can say and still be a decent Conservative!I would also like to know how you can blame all those comments on Conservatives,did you know all of them personally?I think not!You just have to blame Conservatives,because it is easier for you to do that than to put the blame where it should be!Well let me clue you in to something Mr. Colmes,I know for a FACT that all liberals are not as vile as you are,there is also lots of decent ones out there,and I also know that those same liberals will give you a piece of their minds just as the Conservatives will,when you are being such a nasty person ! I hope Sean calls you out on this on his Monday show,better still if you call yourself a MAN then you should apologize on air(Monday) to Sarah Palin,she and all of us that read your comments on your article need to hear your apology to her!Maybe then you can begin to look at yourself as a human being!
August 31st, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Two points.
First, Alan, if you have to lie to make your point, rethink your point. Your point about HotAir was a lie. Rethink your point.
Second, with regard to the quote by Dr. Laurie Gregg, who asserted that a woman should go to the hospital as soon as her water breaks, my wife’s OB’s (four of them, spread over three kids), all agreed you go to the hospital so that you can have the baby within 24 hours after the water breaks (or sooner depending on the contractions).
You know Alan, you don’t have to be an arsehole all the time. It’s true. You get paid to do it, and you do it well, but sometimes it is okay to tell the truth, or simply to shut up.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Poor little conservatives and your delicate little feelings…
August 31st, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I pray that you will never be a father. Your ignorance re pregnancy and Down Syndrome is mind-boggling.Blame the victim, you sleazy little coward.
Leaving politics out of it? How you ever got a job is a question that needs answering, and I am going to ask your employer, Fox, that question, in view of the original thread from Saturday, that I read, as it was the talk of the internet. I am calling Fox on Tuesday, as I hope anyone who read it before you deleted it will also do, and ask that you be summarily fired.
I hope with all my heart that you end up on the jobless line.
Skeletor? You are a shanda. How Sean Hannity can sit in the same room with you is a wonder.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Following is a repeat post from above:
“Folks, Colmes is most likely going to continue to squirm around on this, as this is what he does best. If you want a more direct confrontation to Colmes on this subject, on the air, please send your response to: hannity@foxnews.com
I personally would like Hannity to ask Colmes on the Fox H&C Show to make a personal apology to the Palin family for engaging in this most tasteless show of “smear journalism” & also to ask if he took it upon himself to seek this avenue of questioning himself or were others involved.”
August 31st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Has anyone else noticed how increasingly insane and infantile the Right is getting?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:20 pm
“Furthermore, I in no way mean to suggest that her child’s Down Syndrome was in any way related to decisions she made.”
“Down Syndrome is another matter, and can sometimes be related to a mother’s age. This is a risk that older parents take, and one the Palins took consciously, and not irresponsibly.”
Criminy Alan, eight years of Bush hate has not been good for you.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
I hope that people are taking screen shots of this page. You know, in case those vile conservatives ‘force’ Alan to remove the entire post with comments.
By the way, Alan, have you asked for Hillary’s OB/GYN records yet? You know, cause that would be a way to demonstrate her judgment. Has Obama released his medical records yet? You know, as a way to demonstrate his judgment? How curious that he hasn’t.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
FURYUS, what do you recommend for the infantile Right? Infanticide?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Alan,
Don’t you miss me? I guess I get in the way of your chosen avocation. Well, since you have abandoned me, I’ll say my piece and be on my way:
1. You are a coward.
2. You blame others for your lack of common decency and egregious bad judgement.
3. You are a hack and not too intelligent to boot, in that deleting the original post and comments shows worse judgement than posting it did.
4. You should restore the original post, deleting the comments that you find “offensive”. Of course that would expose you as the not-too-bright lieing coward that you are.
5. Please don’t send this post down the memory hole too.
Oh, well, I need to go work-out now. Having not been used in so long, I’m getting a little flabby.
Goodbye forever,
Alan Colmes’ Conscience
August 31st, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Who catches a flight in their last trimester let alone board a flight after her water breaks????? What if she gave birth in mid air? Why didn’t she go to the nearest hospital? What was she trying to hide? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and more questions than answers.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:25 pm
I thought you were pro-choice, Mr. Colmes.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Robin,
You nailed it. I’m boarded in Family Medicine and what you wrote is entirely correct.
Mr. Colmes, I reiterate:
You are contemptible and ignorant. Mrs. Palin was under the appropriate and prudent care of her physician, with whom she had a privileged and confidential relationship — as with any other physician/patient. You and your supportive fellow commentators are in no position to second-guess or impugn either Governor Palin or the medical decisions of her physician. You know neither medicine nor the specific facts of this case and you are not entitled to such.
You, sir, are utterly revolting and without a shred of decency.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Get off Hannity’s show you big dope!
August 31st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Alan, you are disgusting. I will never watch your show again. Replace this intellectually dishonest huckster with Susan Estrich or some other lib with a brain.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Nice try, Alan. You started out taking responsibility, but, just like any good Liberal, you then blamed others for your boo boo.
You are aware that you can delete comments, right?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Alan,
You know dang well that you can repost your original artical and not even allow comments.
There’s a little tick mark on your admin page
next to where is says “Allow Comments” click it off.
I will post it on my blog @ http://www.thesitrep.com
Please repost it so your message can get out to your followers, but more so, so normal people can see you for what you really are.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
[...] have prevailed, as the entry is now empty. Also not present: an apology. (Update, 3:30 p.m. — Here’s Colmes’s “apology.” You can decide whether it’s adequate or simply [...]
August 31st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
I am confused. In your post titled “Conservative Family Values” You prove that Sarah Palin and her husband had premarital sex by noting that their first baby was born eight months after they married. In this current post you tell me that her last baby was delivered after only seven months.
If seven months is long enough to carry one baby why is eight months not long enough to carry a different baby?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Sometimes you get lulled into the delusion that these fundie fools actually have living, working brains… then they come out en masse to prove the opposite. If any of the morons had actually bothered to read Alan’s original post rather than what their leaders/controllers told them what he ‘really meant’, they would realise that all he questioned was the idiot woman’s decision to fly for 12 hours without medical help after her waters had broken. No mention or even implication that she caused the Down’s Syndrome problem.
FUNDAMENTALISM STOPS A THINKING BRAIN
August 31st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Wow, Alan got all of what, three people defending him?
Defend yourself with proof, Colmes, put the article back up or show the comments section and prove yourself.
But you won’t, just as Obama won’t allow anyone to know about Ayers.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Ok then John, why don’t you press Colmes to reissue the topic and vindicate himself.
But as has already been said multiple times, this is a woman’s choice for her own body, so why would you or Alan care so much?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:36 pm
JoyAnnRuscha wrote:
If he saw a thread spinning out of control because of its highly insensitive, bigoted, racist and ethnocentric tone, he had every right to make that judgement call.
Well, now, I would not support anyone using the anti-Semitic slurs Joy Ann Ruscha repeated, but just for clarification, is she equally incensed at the charges appearing on Kos’s web page that are highly insensitive, bigoted, racist and ethnocentric? Odd how when I hear of such anti-Semitic slurs being made, they are “reported” by the highly offended left, but seldom if ever seen in their natural state, on a legitimate conservative blog. Funny how that works.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
So a million morons outweigh the actual human thinking of 3 rational adults now, huh?
Palin is either a lying throwback to the 60’s when decent folks did everything they could to hide their teenagers’ pregnancies or a reckless fool who was having one last shot at killing her kid by fundamentalist-approved methods.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:39 pm
I suggest that you read the 4 posts on hotair.com about Barack’s citizenship, and then take this post down too, before you look even more foolish than you already do. Hint: Hot Air was saying that Barack’s citizenship was NOT an appropriate topic for discussion.
Is your research always this sloppy?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
I commented(commenter #18) about your post on Wizbang. For the most part I am being viewed as an idiot, because I am not screaming that you are a fool and classless for your post.
Just to make it clear I am very conservative, but I did not see fault in the snippet that I had read. You and I are on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, but I refuse to see mud just because a comment is made.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Nice point John McKeee. Obviously straight from the liberal heart. Keep those thoughts coming. Let it all out.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
well Alan…I read through the “vile conservative” comments on that thread of yours ref Gov Palin. If you look up to about midway on this thread, you’ll see a link that captured them. Anyway…those posts were much less vile than what you normally get on your site. Please understand the following is dripping with sarcasm, great job
August 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
For the record, do we know for sure that her water BROKE? You know, birthing isn’t so simple, and it could have been the case that her water just started leaking, and the men of course figured that meant the child was comming, but she knew better. Also, remember, she called her doctor before getting on the plane. Unless you can find him and have him tell us he told her not to go, then this is a wash.
For the record, the difference between our accusations of Obama and this is that we are looking at a series of relationships that Obama claims he never had. This lasted over 10 years, so there’s plenty of evidence. You’re trying to compare that to a single incident that you could very easily be totally wrong on. It’s the equivelent of Obama not knowing Ayers or Rezko, and only going to Wrights church once, but we know that’s not the case.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
You’re really getting you behind handed to you, Alan, and for good reason. You need to remember that The Internet Is Forever (except when spineless people delete blog posts due to “vile comments”). You could’ve taken five minutes to search hotair.com for their Obama birth certificate entries, and you would’ve saved yourself the trouble of looking like a complete imbecile. Instead, you let your visceral hatred of conservatives take over, and left yourself open to the well deserved thrashing you are now experiencing. It’s funny, I always thought that you were the level headed member of Hannity And Colmes. You really need to do a better job of backing your accusations up next time.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:44 pm
What do you consider “proper prenatal care” Alan?…abortion?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Mr. Colmes, since you know nothing about the circumstances surrounding the conception of the Palins’ fifth child, you are no position to comment about it, period. I repeat that message with regard your mean-spirited, intemperate bit about the claimed gestation of their first son.
But since you are now focusing on Ms. Palin’s judgement, perhaps you would like to comment on what you think is revealed about Barack Obama’s judgment given his associations with William Ayres, Jeremiah Wright and Tony Rezko?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
You are now the official poster child for Palin Derangement Syndrome…LOL…(ya n00b)
August 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Alan, you are the biggest piece of shit next to Olbermann and Matthews.
I hope fox fires your punkass.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
—Palin is either a lying throwback to the 60’s when decent folks did everything they could to hide their teenagers’ pregnancies or a reckless fool who was having one last shot at killing her kid by fundamentalist-approved methods.—
Or…GASP!…a mother heading home to give birth to her child. I know I know, it doesn’t fit the template that all conservatives are mindless, warmongering savages, you will just have to get over that.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Hello,
I find it hard to believe that even Alan Colmes would stoop so low as to post on the internet, or anywhere else for that matter, this attack on Gov. Palin: http://wizbangblog.com/images/2008/08/you_stay_classy_alan_colmes/AlanColmes-Sick.png
This questioning of Gov. Palin’s instincts as a mother is lower than low. It’s especially low coming from a man who supports abortion. Apparently, Mr. Colmes would have preferred that Mrs. Palin kill her baby, rather than love and care for this special needs child that she sees a blessing, not a burden.
For your information, Gov. Palin was informed during the 13th week of her pregnancy that the child had Down Syndrome. Her activities just prior to giving birth had no effect in this matter.
Sarah Palin is a mother of 5, well experienced in the care and feeding of babies, before and after their birth. She certainly doesn’t need to have her prenatal care questioned by the pro-abortion crowd.
Alan Colmes owes Sarah Palin a public apology and that apology should be posted on the internet, as well as broadcast on the radio and television.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Hey Ed Morrissey!
Tell us about your Blind Wife, of whom you’re living off of!
I think if Ed spent as much time being a husband to his blind wife as he did being Mr. Blogger. He might be somebody.
Idiots.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
[...] moreso… Here’s his latest commentary from his own website, which had an original post that DID question Sarah Palin
August 31st, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Like some others have said Alan, I use to have respect for you but that has completely flew out the window! I can’t believe how dirty some people can get. Going after a Candidate on the issue of her pregnancy and child!I wonder if you’re aware that your comments about Palin’s pregnancy have helped in spawning further, even more nasty rumors about her child. I’m a Democrat. I am however, first and most importantly mother to a 2yr old beautiful little girl, she too has Down Syndrome. Both my husband and I worked, throughout my pregnancy and after the birth of our precious child. I was able to do so and still took well care of my health during my pregnancy. We both continue to work and I can assure you ALL of my daughter’s needs are well taken care of. Most importantly, she KNOWS she is loved.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Being pro-choice doesn’t mean you don’t care about the condition of a child that WILL be born. Doing whatever you can for a child you are planning to have is much different from an abortion (as it is past the first trimester.)
August 31st, 2008 at 3:54 pm
I hope that when, after a long and healthy life with a successufull career, Alan Colmes has to look in a mirror and see his own soul….
and I hope he goes to bed tonight with that in mind.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
So a million morons outweigh the actual human thinking of 3 rational adults now, huh?
Best you can do, huh?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Fundie fuckwits. I just had a look at the screen capture of Alan’s original post one of your idiot friends thoughtfully preserved. A totally straightforward question about whether the stupid (my addition) woman did the right thing by carrying on with her activities and boarding a plane after having her waters break. He quoted an obstetrician who said it was advisable to go to hospital to reduce the chance of infection and actually added that she DID consult with her doctor by phone.
So WTF is the stream of drivel in aid of?
Here it is again, for anyone who isn’t afraid of facts getting in the way of their ravings:
http://wizbangblog.com/images/2008/08/you_stay_classy_alan_colmes/AlanColmes-Sick.png
August 31st, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Why don’t you conservatives actually READ what he’s writing? It’s obvious people are just copying their response to the previous post without reading Alan’s explanation/clarification for it.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Are any of you really surprised by the idiocy of Colmes? It’s not like he’s just begun acting like a socialist know-it-all. The man (?) has been a mouth-breathing moron all of his life and continually displays his loathing of America, capitalism, freedom, etc. Of course, he plays the leftard card of “Don’t question my ______!” but he’s still a socialist, anti-American asshat who is scared that his Marxist buddy d-d-duhBama won’t lie his way into the presidency.
Besides, Alan Colmes is trivial. His views don’t mean diddly. Just ignore the idiot.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Alan, I have watched you and Hannity for years. While I am normally in total disagreement with your positions on issues, I could tolerate them until now. Not only were you completely out of line, you didn’t have the cojones to take responsibility for your egregious comments, instead you blamed respondents to your oral diarhea as the root of the problem.
A previous poster said you are a “P O S,” I would add “worthless” to that opinion. Check on the spelling of “plethora” while you are licking your wounds.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Being pro-choice doesn’t mean you don’t care about the condition of a child that WILL be born.
Tell that to Barack Infanticide Obama. You are forgetting the liberal guideline: children are just lumps of tissue until they take their first breath. Or are you claiming that babies in the womb really are people?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Alan, really. Are you okay? Maybe you should step away from your computer for awhile.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:59 pm
“Being pro-choice doesn’t mean you don’t care about the condition of a child that WILL be born. Doing whatever you can for a child you are planning to have is much different from an abortion (as it is past the first trimester.)
Posted by JZy”
Doing whatever you can for a child you are planning to have is much different from an abortion? JZy is this somewhat like changing the oil & maintaining a car you intend to keep versus letting the maintenance slide on a car you’re about to pass off on someone else? Please help me on this? Thanks.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:00 pm
alan
you go to the head of the list of the tinfoil crowd.it is sunday so the sabbath is over so you can be as vile as don fowler thanking God for the hurricane and the GOP convention.the demoCRAT party is broke and without shame.9pm has is now the glenn beck hour in my house.see ya later you jackass.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Hey JZY, why don’t you just read the comments from the topic in question? Oh that’s right, you can’t any longer.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Wow Alan,
Way to beclown yourself.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Jzy, is your reading comprehension broken? How can you read his circuitous attempt at an explanation and conclude that the man is doing nothing more than trying to revise and/or hide what he previously said. His “clarification” was nothing but another opportunity to fling his ad hominem attacks on Palin and conservatives. Put that in your Noam Chomsky Parser© and give it a whirl.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Wow, Colmes! You have a lot of nerve. Good thing that people like me took screencaps of the comments to illustrate just how un-offensive they really were. You probably thought we wouldn’t do that, didn’t you?
I can’t wait to listen to your show this week and hear you crucified. I hope Hannity and the rest of Fox takes swipes at you too. I’m so happy that you’re about to have a full-on “Macaca” moment. First you criticize the woman eloping and then you criticize how she carries her child? You liberals seem to think that it is proper to crucify all conservatives on the basis that SOME conservatives are hypocrites. She had that baby and also four others that were in perfect health, she’s been married a long time and I’ve never heard of her denigrating people for their “values”.
I suppose when people have abortions or when they have multiple children out of wedlock, only then, they are worthy of your defense. I wonder if your mother took all of her pre-natal supplements? It would appear not!
August 31st, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Perhaps Alan was just concerned that Palin was being “punished”(hat tip: Obama) with a child?
August 31st, 2008 at 4:04 pm
John McKee:
How about you go look up some of the nitwits that took Alan’s comments, ran with them and are all over the place, spreading rumors of Palin’s child not even being hers!! After reading quite a few of them today, I can honestly say that right now I’m truly ashamed of my own Party members.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Alan,
Be a man for once in your life. Put your own words up. This is your site and you can choose what to do. So put only your original words back up. Those are the ones that were truly vile.
But being the complete spineless coward that you are; having given away your own integrity and ability to stand behind your words shows just how shallow of a man you really are.
Tell me - how did you manage to get paid so much for your gig on Fox when you obviously have such a small brain?
How did you manage to fool so many people into believing that you have an intellect whatsoever? That you have one ounce of intellectual honesty in your spineless body?
Hey there’s a good TV show right up your alley in another country that would suit you perfectly - It’s called Cuba Live! and I am sure they would welcome you openly. Give Fidel a call and go to the country you truly belong in.
You are a worthless excuse for a human being.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm
When all you know how to use is a shovel, you might as well keep digging a hole.
Dig, Alan, dig dig.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
You stupid lowlife moron Colmes. I can’t wait for Fox News to can your gay ant looking ass.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
SKH.PCOLA: Hide what he previously said?
Look here: http://74.6.146.244/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22gives+the+timeline+associated+with+the+birth+of+her+newest+child.+%22&fr=yfp-t-501&u=www.alan.com/2008/08/30/did-palin-take-proper-pre-natal-care/&d=Q4EeOxg5RY0J
There is a cached copy of the original post in all it’s glory; he’s not hiding anything. I read it and the comments this morning, and Alan even linked in this post to other blog articles containing comments indicative of the hate that was on his.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
For a guy who puts “a woman choice” above all other things, you have a funny way of showing it when you are critizing Sarah Palin’s choices. I guess you are only “pro-choice” if a woman wants to get an abortion. After that point, she should do things YOUR WAY.
By the way, what they said in comments was also not right. But as my mother always told me, two wrongs don’t make a right. You are still wrong Alan and until you understand this, you are no longer going to be liked (heck, you may never be liked again).
August 31st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Alan,
I’m wondering which of these positions you endorse:
1. Obama and Palin have equally poor judgment.
2. Obama and Palin have equally good judgment.
3. Obama has overall better judgment than Palin.
4. Palin has overall better judgment than Obama.
The reason I ask is that you seem merely to be attacking Palin’s judgment on the grounds that conservatives have attacked Obama’s judgment–see your last paragraph, for example. Given that you think the attacks on Obama are without merit, however, shouldn’t you reject similar attacks on Palin? You’re relying way too heavily here on tu quoque reasoning, i.e., that if X can do it, then I can do it–even if X is doing something I abhor. If we want to be principled vis-a-vis the criticisms of Obama’s and Palin’s judgment, we need to choose one of the four items above.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Alan -
While I seldom agreed with you politically, I always respected your viewpoint and what you were trying to convey.
No more.
Your deleted post was classless and truly vile, the lowest of the low in terms of political discourse I have read in a long time. I’d expect something like that from the likes of Michael Moore but not from you.
To delete the post and them blame it on those who commented is cowardly, but that’s what we conservatives have come to expect from those on the Progressive Left - hurl fire bombs, then blame those who feel the need to respond to it for the actions you end up taking.
I have lost all respect for you and assure you I will NEVER watch H&C again. You and your comments and actions are classless, cowardly, and ignorant. You should be ashamed of yourself, but obviously you are not. I’m sure you were taught better growing up.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Dwigg: no it’s not, but I’m not about to try to change someone stance on abortion… especially not in someone’s blog comments.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
of course medical decisions should be between the woman and her doc. (gov’r Palin did call her doc.) unless you are a republican woman then you got to ask liberal empty heads what to do.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Palin is either a lying throwback to the 60’s when decent folks did everything they could to hide their teenagers’ pregnancies or a reckless fool
Desperately trying to outrace Colmes to the lowest level of the sewer.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
@JZY:
You cite a Google cache as “proof that he’s not hiding anything?!” Are you retarded? Just because GOOG spiders cached a copy of something that Colmes is trying to hide doesn’t negate the fact that Colmes is trying to hide what he said. That’s a feature of internet caches, not a bug.
That is, unless you think that Colmes controls GOOG? Is the GOOG cache Colmes’ personal back-up website for posting his leftard hate? You are a wily bastard!
August 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm
What a collection of judgmental shitbags…
August 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
I’m not suprised! Alan and the rest of them need to make this personal. They loose on the facts every time. I listen to them always claiming “smear or attack” when the facts are against them. I have lost what little curiosity I had before I came here.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Thank God for “cached” articles, though Alan can’t be liking it so much.
The problem is that you would never know that article existed if you were to just happen by this site.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:16 pm
I agree with you that the comments got vile and out of control. But maybe that’s because your previous post was vile and unnecessary. You are in no place to make judgments on her personal pre-natal decisions. And it doesn’t let you off the hook to remove you original post and put the quotes of others in it’s place.
Disgusting!
August 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Thanks for saving some of the thread…because I still stand by my Amazing “D’oh” Point ! Did you hear that?
“I have no plan…just McSame…HEY LOOK! A PRETTY LADY!”
JARu 8/31/2008 3:29 AM
Give me a break. Alan questioned her judgement because she went into early labor in Texas, gave a speech and hopped a damned flight to Alaska.
He said nothing about blaming her for having a child with Down syndrome!
Shame on you, Malkinites.
I’ve talked to several people today (in person) who are really leery of the “Governor’s water broke, she gave a speech, hopped a flight to Alaska and gave birth in a rural hospital and went to work three days later! oh PS She’s amazing because that baby has special needs and Palin is pro-life!” story. I’m studying for my MA in Special Education and if there’s anything I hate, it’s using kids for your own political gain…
If anything, Sarah Palin is the kind of woman that’s bad for America. Aren’t you conservatives supposed to care about your families and unborn children - you know? instead of endangering them by flying for ten hours after your water breaks? Little Trig had to be induced -which indicates there was a problem- and Colmes could’ve ripped into Palin like Coulter into a steak but he didn’t.
He gave her a softball.
If this is how you react to Princess Alaska being vetted by the media, then you guys are in for some serious trouble.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pm
What a collection of judgmental shitbags…
I don’t know if you could call Colmes a “collection” but I agree with you, what a shitbag.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Wow !!! I’m amazed at the vitreolic name calling by Republicans or fellow indepenents. I’m actually rather ashamed to say they are acting as consevatives. No one I know either Rep or Ind would have ever resorted to such name calling. An obvious lak of a grasp of the english lanquage.
I’m also rather amazed that Obama is obviously speaking to paople who were’nt sharp enough to catch that the comment by John McCain about the 5 million income was a joke. I can’t imagine that people follow a man who obviously has so little respect for their inteligence.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pm
I don’t believe your previous column was in god faith; I think you meant to insinuate, whatever you might have known about the mechanisms of trisomy 21, and however carefully you avoided dierect mention of it, that Palin caused or worsened her child’s difficulties, to anyone ignorant to believe such a connection existed.
Fruther, I think you meant to harp on her pregnancy, because you believe that having a Trisomy 21 baby is a sign, in and of itself, a sign of “poor judgement” or jumping into a difficult situation without fully appreciating the severity of the possiblie outcomes. You will deny it, but I believe it to be the case. You feel mentioning or questioning aspects of the pregnancy has the advantage of reminding others of this other choice.
I think you mean to accuse her of deliberately risking a geriatric pregnancy, and deliberately continuing a Trisomy 21 pregnancy in spite of the extra risk to herself ( from complications, including heightened risk of intrauterine demise, among others) and the necessarily negative and potentially catastrophic health and disability issues her child and that child’s family would face in the future. This is your aim. Perhaps you even meant to intimate, that after all, she had a death wish or callous unconcern, after all her “show” of continuing the pregnancy, for her Trisomy 21 affected baby.
This is your aim You are completely dishonest about it. You mean to remind people of her choice , by any means, in order to parlay the ordinary reluctance of most persons to endure a pregnancy with guaranteed difficulties ahead, into a questioning of her judgment.
BTW, Obama and Ayers had more than mere nodding aquaintance, but longstanding personal and professional connections. Why would you repeat a false notion that they barely knew each other?
d.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
“Water breaking” does not equal “early labor.” That is epic fail on your part, JARU.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
I think Alan hit a nerve with the John Hagee brainwashed fundy crowd.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Alan, you are most correct in stating it is about judgement - Palin has it and you don’t.
Man up and apologize. Best done on H&C live. But however you do it, you need to apologize in some format.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Oh my, did you really talk to “several people” today? Wow.
In that anecdotal vein, I also talked to “several people” (in person) who don’t have a problem with the actions of Palin. You and I seem to know a lot of “people”.
And if you’re studying for a degree in Special Education, then you must be a real fan of Cindy McCain who also received a masters in the same field.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
I think Alan and the rest of the Obama Marxist boosters tickle the nerves of the brainwashed commie crowd, like Frank from Jonesville. Never miss an opportunity to ridicule religion and display your classiness there, Frank. Good job!
August 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
WOW!
Looks like Alan’s site has been taken over by the right wing wackadoodles!
I guess you all can just talk to yourselves for a while.
Buh, bye!
August 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
See ya, Oldcommie! We just came here to see what left-wing wackadoodles are saying. Turns out, what they’re saying is hateful lies and obfuscations about a VP nominee. Go figure. You commie ratbastards wouldn’t know “truth” if it choked you.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Mr. Colmes, I am regestering my offense at your post as well as the one previously removed ( screenshot available at Wizbang here: http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/08/31/you-stay-classy-alan-colmes.php )
I have also contacted Hannity and Colmes as well as FOX and it is my sincere hope that you will either apologize to American women of all ethnicity as well as discontinue your deplorable and feeble attempt at credibility for the higher calling of setting a standard of excellence rather than crawling into the swamp with the rest of the vermon.
Failing that, I hope they give you walking papers. You deserve them.
Rather than rant a vile screed, I will simply say that I hope your readership can see the snarky elephant in the room and not think that it is conducive to intelligent discussion or debate.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
-indepenents
-vitreolic
-An obvious lak of a grasp of the english lanquage
-obviously speaking to paople who were’nt
-so little respect for their inteligence
Posted by Bear
Are you sure you want to open the door on questioning other people’s intelligence? You know, glass houses and all that.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:28 pm
For the last time, and for the benefit of the dimwitted voyeurs who can’t restrain themselves:
PALIN. FOLLOWED. HER. PHYSICIAN’S. ADVICE.
It’s just that simple. Had her doctor advised her to “Go to the ER now!” I’m sure that’s what she would have done. (And the burden lies on *you* Alan, to prove otherwise.) Instead, based on her doctor’s skill and judgment, he advised her to return home to receive care there. His advice was sound, given the uncomplicated birth of her son. QED.
This is non-story at best and should be ignored by any sensible person. Instead, we’re treated to the spectacle of Colmes, et al., blabbering on, obfuscating, creating as many straw men and tu quoque fallacies as they can all while displaying a carefully-honed ignorance and lack of decency.
Vile? Disgusting? Yes, and a few other adjectives I could use — but then Alan would probably memory hole the thread again.
You can add a “lack of integrity” to the list.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:28 pm
SKH.PCOLA: You seem convinced that he is trying to hide something. Seeing as you can see the original post, what is it that he is hiding? Everything in it was mentioned in this post.
By the way, it’s a Yahoo cache, not Google.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Alan’s comments from above:
“Down Syndrome is another matter, and can sometimes be related to a mother’s age. This is a risk that older parents take, and one the Palins took consciously, and not irresponsibly.(…)If we are going to evaluate candidates based on life decisions: what churches they attend, what religions they practice, who their preachers are, who their friends are, all of which fall under the rubrick of “judgment”, then all of this is fair game.”
Does anyone else see what Alan is saying here?
He is faulting the Palins for consciously deciding to get pregnant and have a baby when Mrs Palin is considered to be an ‘older’ woman and thus more susceptable to certain forms of birth defects. He is saying right there that this very personal and private decision taken on by Mrs Palin and her husband of 20 years is ‘fair game’ and should somehow affect the ‘evaluation’ of her ‘life decisions.’ In other words, a woman in her early 40s who purposely chooses to get pregnant and have a baby is somehow demonstrating bad judgement because of the risks involved with that pregnancy. And furthermore, that personal and private decision is morally equivalent to associating for 20 yrs with a preacher/mentor who loathes America. Or associating for 20 years with a man who carried out terrorist attacks on America.
I tell you what Alan, keep spinning ’round and digging this hole for yourself and your fellow Democrats. I can think of no faster way to alienate every last woman in America. Don’t you know that most of us are putting off having children until later in life when w