Why The GOP Can’t Run On The Issues
Besides being the party that started the Iraq war, Republicans have to take responsibility for an economy whose numbers out Friday paint a difficult picture. Unemployment went from 5.7 to 6.1 percent, the first time it’s been that high in five years. Eighty-four thousand jobs were lost in August, the ninth straight month of losses, and putting the total losses for the year at 605,000. 9.4 million Americans are unemployed compared to 7.1 million last year at this time, and economists are saying it will get worse before it gets better.
Prices are rising faster than wages, and a record 9.2% of American homeowners are in foreclosure or behind in their payments. And the stock market took a dive on all this news. Just another reason why Rick Davis, McCain campaign manager said this eleciton is not about the issues.
They don’t want to talk about the issues because they can’t blame the last eight years on Bill Clinton. Ain’t it funny how time slips away?
September 5th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Maybe we can expect something good from the DO NOTHING Congress, whose approval rating is lower then the President’s. Reid and Pelosi are absolutely WORTHLESS. Ya, more of the same from the democrats. Blame Bush. And wasn’t it democrats who also authorized the war and subsequently voted to fund the troops even after they became the majority in Congress?
September 5th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Is anyone else having trouble posting?
September 5th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
How do these people sleep? So many contradictory positions and still they think they can just bluff their way through yet again with all the “USA USA guns god scary black people islamofascist POW hero tax’N’spend (as opposed to their preferred borrow’N’spend)” nonsense. McCan’t and co seem to think the American public are so stoopid they can’t spot all the bizarre inconsistencies.
September 5th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Alan:
I want you to know that Sarah Palin and John McCain does not speak for this woman. Sarah Palin’s extremist views and her negative criticisms showed me that she can tote the party line.
She would be the kind of person who would do everything she could to restrict women’s rights even more. As far as her having a family I don’t have a problem with that a lot us women had to work with a family, and do the best we could. What I do have a problem with is this I can’t blame them for supporting their daughter during this time, but I do have a probem with them parading her around likes she kind of prima dona. I am sure that if the young man had it to do all over again he wouldn’t be caught in the spot light they way they have forced him out there. That’s is what is so distressing and embarassing two wrongs don’t make a right.
Thank You,
Mary
September 5th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Change… from and to what? From the neocon bull that McCain has voted for 90% of the time?
September 5th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Experience… something they did have a reasonable platform to run on. So why shoot themselves fair in the foot with a VP nominee with virtually none?
September 5th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
McCain’s old standby, ‘Pork’. He’s voluntarily saddled himself with possibly THE worst offender in the union.
‘Family Values’? Hahahaha. Let’s see – a family fortune that derives from a small time crook taking the rap and jail term for a bigger mob guy and being rewarded with that booze distributorship? Multiple adulteries? ‘Corruption’? The new woman is up to her ears in crap already… Keating… the lobbyist affair…
September 5th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
‘Truth-telling’? How about the ten different touching tales of how the Bangla Deshi daughter arrived? About Mother Teresa herself twisting Cindy’s arm? About the victimising of Gosinski when he blew the whistle on the drug fiend’s theiving? About the borrowed story of the prison guard and the cross in the dirt? ‘Taxes’… a bald-faced wall of lies about Obama raising taxes when 95% of Americans would pay less? No acknowledgement of his own plan to keep right on giving huge tax breaks to the filthy rich and the oil companies.
Iraq… Obama advocating surrender, coward, rather win an election than the war blah blah blah with his traitorous timeline. Oh no no no… what we need is a ‘time horizon’ of, oh, yeah, 16 months sounds about right. Yes we love Bush, no we hate Bush.
There is no subject at all that the Republicans have a consistent, coherent attitude to this year. So the pathetic Hannities of the world have to base all their attacks on trifles like Wright and Ayers, plus a few clumsy quotes nit-picked from thousands of hours of speeches. It’s pathetic that 40% of the most powerful country on Earth are so mindbogglingly stoopid.
September 5th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Sorry about the serialised post – the full thing wouldn’t go through in one or even three goes :)
September 5th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
GOP? please. obama runs on “hope” and “change” because he’s got no resume.
he’s a JOKE, as are you alan. you’re affirmative action is called sean hannity.
and why do liberals hate women? i’m gay, and i appear to like them more than both liberal men (real men? naih) and women who are members of the National Organization for Women. in liberal circles, it seems the only way for a woman to be real is to abort any child she carries.
you people are SICK, silly, and pretty pathetic.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Mary how are things going in St.joe
September 5th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
McCains big mistake is he didn’t choose Hillary as a running mate, this would have guaranteed him and Hillary (along with Bill) a guaranteed landslide victory win.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
“McCains big mistake…”
…is that he joined the party of Joe McCarthy and other KGB-trained political terrorists.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Alan, don’t you find it amazing that Sean Hannity rants and screams over Obama’s experience but acts like Sara Palin could lead the world? I think Sara Palin is just being used as a bumper sticker for the GOP. When it comes time for the VP debate on October 4th, we will see how well Palin skips over the issues.
Obama/Biden 2008!
September 5th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Republicans: the party of Donald Segretti and Joe McCarthy.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Alan, I’m pro-life and am voting for Obama. The hypocrisy of the Republican Party has turned me off. In my worldview, I persoanlly think Republicans stick the pro-life bumper sticker to gain votes. The problem still exists. Obama is for reducing the number of abortions. I will be voting for Obama/Biden this election year. If there is anything Bush did right, he made me more fired up about the real issues in this election like Healthcare, unnecessary war, enormous debt, failing economy, etc. John McCain is the opposite of straight talk.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Yeah, Alan, and three weeks ago the numbers were favorable, so you didn’t mention them.
We are on a roller-coaster ride, economically speaking. We will recover. We always do, and the next President won’t be able to take credit for it any more than it was Clinton’s doing that the 90’s were such a boom. We have Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to thank for that.
Oh. And Al Gore did not invent the internt.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
You’re half right.
There IS a conspiracy of silence between the Demmicans and Republocrates on THE real issue:
http://perotcharts.com/category/challenges-charts/page/14
September 5th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Jesus Christ, you people are fixated by abortion, aren’t you. In civilised countries, issues of morality, ethics etc are separated from party politics. We contest elections on issues like detailed tax policy, foreign affairs, education budgets, health budgets, police numbers, transport etc. And it’s a really big deal if anyone ‘crosses the floor’ and votes against their party on such matters.
Things like abortion, alcohol control, voting age, gay rights, religion in schools, even corporal punishment are decided by a combination of referenda and/or ‘conscience votes’. The left may generally lean one way and the right the other but each representative is entirely responsible to his or her conscience and electorate. Party affiliations are kept well out of that kind of fray.
It is way healthier than your system where every rep is free to vote (and equally free to be bribed, bullied, bought, threatened etc) on ordinary political business, but more likely to be pushed around by their party on so-called moral issues.
Ever wondered why your system has such endemic corruption and lobbyists are so ridiculously powerful? It just does not happen like that elsewhere.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
OH, and John McKee, it doesn’t look like you’re having any trouble posting.
Trouble thinking…trouble reasoning….trouble with your mind, yes, we see the difficulties you’re having.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
C. Moore – you like women so much you would deny them equal pay, control over their own bodies, equity in marriage separation issues, the freedom to marry if their true love is another woman, decent childcare facilities and a reasonable standard of healthcare for their children…
And you are gay? Supporting the party that wants you packed off to hell???
You are either hopelessly stupid or just another shameless Republican liar.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Poor Eddy. Afflicted from birth by a mother with permanent brain-fade. At least, you idiot woman, my abuse is accompanied by intelligent discussion of the facts and issues. Are you so stoopid you think simple-minded abuse with no facts or arguments does anything but reinforce everybody’s opinion of you?
Eddysmom – proudly brought to you by the Republicans, America’s home of millionaires, suckers, haters and Hannity. Drool here! Drool now!
September 5th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
I am a Democrat and I am voting for McCain/Palin ticket.
People on this site blame the “Republicans” for the Iraq war, is that like blaming the Democrates for WWII, Korea and Vietman. None of the sitting Presidents at the time wanted war or wanted to be involved but they did what was needed at the time.
People speak of Sarah Palin not having enough experience, let me ask…how much experience did Jimmy Carter have, how much experience did LBJ have, and there are others with even less experience.
What concerns me is that Mr. Obama has never fully addressed his association with Ayres or Rev Wright. He says he was a community leader in south Chicago, what did he do? The crime rate and poverty over the past 20 years has not changed one bit, in fact it continues to be bad. No one should have to live in the South Chicago area Mr. Obama was a community leader in.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:01 am
“Mr. Obama has never fully addressed his association with Ayres or Rev Wright.”
Yes he did.
“He says he was a community leader in south Chicago, what did he do?”
Look it up.
“The crime rate and poverty over the past 20 years has not changed one bit”
Talk to the chief of police.
“I am a Democrat…”
LoL. Sure you are.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:25 am
Dear Christ… another one pops its dopey little head up into the sunshine.
WW2 – you left the rest of the allies to fend for themselves until you were attacked in Pearl Harbour more than years into the war. Korea – you went in as part of a United Nations foece. Vietnam – you took over from the French in trying to prevent the poor devils sorting out their own country, starting in the Eisenhower years and building from there. Dreadful mistake, millions of dead, vowed never to repeat the scenario. Huh!
Prior to becoming president, Carter served two terms in the Georgia Senate and as the 76th Governor of Georgia, from 1971 to 1975.[1]
Johnson served as a United States Representative from Texas from 1937–1949 and as United States Senator from 1949–1960, including six years as United States Senate Majority Leader, two as Senate Minority Leader and two as Senate Majority Whip.
This Ayres thing is bizarre – if rubbing shoulders with him is so poisonous, how about all the Republicans that did it on a way deeper basis than Barack? And he disowned the stupid Wright person. Ever heard Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Parsley and all the loony right-wing preachers blaming America, gays, commies and the awful secular progressives for 9/11, Katrina etc?
Don’t pretend DJ Snow – you are either a blatant liar about being a Democrat or a racist desperately flailing around for something that sounds acceptable to cover for your hatred and fear of the black guy.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:31 am
McStupid is no better than a pimp. He is using Palin and she doesn’t even know it. How sad!
September 6th, 2008 at 12:49 am
Issues of the Economy and Energy
There were 2 Bridges to Nowhere. In a time of falling home prices, reduction in jobs, a natural gas crisis in the Anchorage MatSu area, a design firm linked to multi-national engineering and construction firms submitted a design for a bridge across the Knik Arm that would pay for itself, and generate a substantial portion of the electrical requirements for the area. It would also supply jobs for the construction and to run the tidal, wind, and solar generation facilities. It was also sent personally to the Governor. The design was buried, and they are going forward with a conventional bridge across Knik Arm … at taxpayer expense.
Link http://samplesandassociates.com
All claims of developing renewable energy sources by Palin are simply false.
Also the media should simply take a look at the Alaska economy for the last two years … that tells the story.
Palin promised a fresh approach to govt … what Alaska got was simply more of the same.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:08 am
i would like to say that all of this issues crap is crap! McCain want to lower taxes for all, Obama wants to increase the tax on those with a AGI of $160,000.00 who are the top 5% of tax payers he mention. The fact is this, increasing the taxes on these people would dive the economy into a depression not a recession. Obama wants to implement a trend that would tax the “rich” (top 5% = $160,000.00+) to equal standings to just above the middle class. you want to talk about issues? I want to know how much this proposed Health care thing is going to cost, i want to know how much his proposed research and development plan to subsidize big oil, big auto, big coal, and big electric to find alternative fuels and energies. Alternative fuels is the responsibilities of the American people, not the American Federal Government. It is the combined individual efforts of the masses that make change, not the government. America wanted McDonald’s to serve salads, America got McDonald’s Salads, America wanted cheaper car insurance, America got Geico and ESurance.com. we can not had back our independence to the establishment for it is the “Governments that are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” not the governed deriving there freedom from the consent of the Governments, Socialism. Universal health care, excessive taxation, and an over extended government arm in cooperation is that, one more step towards the Government establishing Social Dependency, or Social Slavery over a people powerless to govern itself.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Why is it ok for Laura Bush to advocate “community organizing” for the victims of Gustav, but when talking about Obama, community organizing is wrong?
September 6th, 2008 at 1:36 am
C, Op
you my friend are not telling the truth, and if you are not telling the truth then you are lying. that plan has been scrapped for the time being do the the massive environmental impact that would cause with salmon runs, and beluga whales. further more there is massive opposition from Anchorage home owners because the housing values would drop big time in Anchorage. Plus the cost of just planning that bridge has been in the millions has it on hold. you fibber you.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:40 am
sall,
it is because Obama is talking about the Federal Government Communing together to solve problems, not the American People… nice try though
September 6th, 2008 at 1:42 am
Any of you wingnuts feel like taking on the Palin pork issue… how many towns where the mayor is elected with 600 and 900 votes employ Washington lobbyists to shovel as much pork their way as humanly possible. Or silly old McCain’s pet pork project ‘the bridge to nowhere’ that Palin ran for office on, then backed out of when she saw the tide turning?
September 6th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Mr John Mckee
I saw your issue on morality and politic and how they shouldn’t share the same stage, well it is because of Our (yours, mine, left, right, Christian, and Atheist) morality that we have democracy, a bill of rights, and the Declaration of Independence. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” sounds like there is morality in that.
okay Abortion here is the Rights view,
How can those same people attempt to save the lives of the ruthless cold hearted murders, torturers, and child molesters, then do a complete about-face and demand that a woman has the right to extinguish the life of a child of which can not defend itself? How can those same people describe themselves as Champions of the voiceless, defenseless animals and then champion the right to abort?”
Life is defined as: The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.
A human is defined as: A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens, also humans are 23 pairs of chromosomes, for a total of 46.
Thus concluding from the undeniable that those unborn are human lives, and because these children are humans in America “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.—” In this case the absolute Despotism is characterized by the unwavering view that woman’s right to choose life or death trumps the individual rights of Life Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness of the unborn yet still human life.
September 6th, 2008 at 2:00 am
i think that it is funny that people are talking about this bridge to no where and they: one didn’t enven know about it before Gov. Palin was nominated for VP; second 98% of America couldn’t even tell you were in Alaska this hypothetical no where bridge was going to be built; third after looking at all the facts and studying the issue she voted it down. So really this bridge shouldn’t even matter.
September 6th, 2008 at 2:06 am
C. Op
So i called that number to see if it was real or not and surprisingly i got a recording, not surprising it was a recording to inform that, the number is not in service. 907-357-6726 and what company is Altamira? I looked it up and found this “MONTREAL, QUEBEC, Apr 03 (MARKET WIRE) —
National Bank (TSX: NA) is proud to announce that two of its subsidiaries, National Bank Securities and Altamira Investment Services,earned top honours at the 2008 Lipper Fund Awards ceremony on April 2.
The Lipper Fund Awards program highlights funds that have excelled in delivering consistently strong risk-adjusted performance, relative to their peers. The Lipper Fund Awards are awarded to funds in 21 countries in Asia, Europe, and North America.”
September 6th, 2008 at 2:30 am
Anita -
What do you mean they can’t blame the last eight years on Clinton – Republicans to this day blame everything that has ever happened on Clinton. They will continue to do so – it’s a game for them to see who can think of the most ridiculous thing to come up with!
September 6th, 2008 at 3:12 am
My concern about Obama isnt’ about high taxes but that he and the Dems in Congress plan on totally subverting the Constitution and go full-steam socialist.
Obama is a Marxist.. there can be no doubt about that. His entire Presidential campaign is a fraud, in the strongest meaning of the word.
For William Ayers to choose Obama to co-lead a multi-million dollar organization devoted to shaping education policy in Chicago so that their values (William Ayers) are taught to kids has to require that Obama and Ayers are in agreement on what those values are.
If one hasn’t done a good job at finding out about Ayers life then they may not think this association is so dangerous. But I watched a self-titled documentary on “The Weather Underground” that was filmed in the early 2000s (or late 1990s .. cant remmeber) You can find this film for free at Google Video. If you haven’t watched it.. you really have to.
The Ayers of today is just as commited now as he was back then to revolutionary transformation of American society and goernment to a “humane system”
No Lib can tell me that Ayers is going to pick Obama to distrubute millions of dollars of Ayers insitution if Ayers thought it wasn’t working toward his goals.
Glenn beck / CNN did an awesome show on the dangers if Obama wins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd-JeeNcTig
I urge everyone to watch the Weather Underground documentary… you must understand what Ayers tried to do in the 70s.. and then watch the Glenn Beck / CNN video to see how that matters today
September 6th, 2008 at 7:09 am
I just realized something from the thing I wrote above.
Obama sat on a Board called the Chicago Annenberg (?) Challenge which was involved in spending millions of dollars of money to work with the city in making the schools worse then already are.
In this fight Obama is having with Palin about experience and who has managed what sums of money and sat on what commissions
WHY IS OBAMA OMMITTING HIS WORK IN THAT INSITUTTION FROM HIS CASE?
Clearly, that type of work would bolster his credentials as an adminsitrator and handler of money.
Yet no one mentions it.
There are too many lies and ommissions.
And there are too many people , like Alan Colmes, who are willing to lie for him.
September 6th, 2008 at 7:16 am
Alan,
let me tell you, they can’t because they are the same as Bush’s.
Alan, let’s ask our angry republican bloggers to explain his plans including :
*taxes
*healthcare
*housing market
*economy
*international issues
*education
*volunteering
*veterans affairs
*iraq
*afganistan
*iran
*russia
*free trade
*global warming
*energy independance (and do not tell me drilling)
What is it, please explain to dumb america, so we can understand your candidates… oh, I almost forgot, “it is not about the issues, is about the person” -McCain campain manager-
September 6th, 2008 at 8:18 am
I don’t care what McCain is going to do . My interest in this election is to prevent Marxists from controlling the government.
I have never been a McCain booster. Had it not been for the Democrats nominating what is perhaps the most dangerous man ever for President,i was going to sit this one out.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Alan please explain to me this: What is considered a Wind Fall Tax? Is it the recent Batman movie that made $500 million in less than 3 months. Is it an actor making $20 + million to do a movie or a million + to do an episode, is it a pro athlete getting a signing bonus, or is is the gerneral worker working hard to get a bonus. Big Oil 7% profit on the dollar (7 cents on the dollar) Microsoft 28%% profit on the dollar (28 cents on the dollar) or is is the little girl on the corner that makes lemonade for pennies and sells it for dollars.
Oh can we explain that the recent job loss of 85,000 has specifically to do with the recent minimum wage increase to people who do not deserve or have not earned it or the that the union’s minimum wages are tied to the national minimum wage. They get a raise 2, 3, 4, 5 times the national wage. Or maybe a Lib business owner who recently laid people off can honestly say it is not tied to minimum wage increase.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:44 am
The Dems are scared to death of Sarah Palin. Heck now Obama is trying to say he has more experience than her. Is he running for VP? This has completely thrown Obama. He doesn’t know how to defend against a McCain/Palin ticket.
Strong women scare Obama. It is pretty clear that Michelle rules the roost.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:25 am
I see that he is for equal pay for woman also: Shows he is all talk. Needs to actually put money where is mouth is:
The average pay for the 33 men on Obama’s staff (who earned more than $23,000, the lowest annual salary paid for non-intern employees) was $59,207. The average pay for the 31 women on Obama’s staff who earned more than $23,000 per year was $48,729.91. (The average pay for all 36 male employees on Obama’s staff was $55,962; and the average pay for all 31 female employees was $48,729. The report indicated that Obama had only one paid intern during the period, who was a male.)
September 6th, 2008 at 11:44 am
The Dems are scared to death of Sarah Palin. Heck now
Strong women scare Obama. It is pretty clear that Michelle rules the roost.
Posted by commonsense
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WOW!
Are you kidding??
Michelle “rules the roost”, and Obama is scared of strong women?
And Larry Craig is the marriage expert.
And Bush/Cheney are war heros, who caught Osama,
And the Iraqis greeted us with flowers,
And vet groups give McCAIN, not Obama high marks.
on and on…
But you just repeat it over and over again, and maybe you’ll believe it.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Commonsense: I guess OldLefty agrees with you
September 6th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Old Lefty you make me laugh. You are so witty!
And William Ayers is not a Terrorist
And Obama understands the Economy
his quote not mine on why he will raise the capital gain tax when it was explained to him that when you raise it the economy will do worse and when you lower it will do better “I will raise it because it is fair” How ignorant! Life is not fair.
And the surge did not work.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Couric: All that may be true. But do you not give the surge any credit for reducing violence in Iraq?
Obama: No, no … of course I have. There is no doubt that the extraordinary work of our U.S. forces has contributed to a lessening of the violence, just as making sure that the Sadr militia stood down or the fact that the Sunni tribes decided to flip and work with us instead of with al-Qaeda – something that we hadn’t anticipated happening.
All those things have contributed to a reduction in violence. So this, in no way, detracts from the great efforts of our young men and women in uniform. In fact, that’s one of the most striking things about visiting Iraq is to see how dedicated they are, what a great job they do – all those things … are critically important. What I’m saying is it does not solve the broader strategic question that we have been dealing with over the last five, six, seven years. And that is how do we take the limited resources we have, both militarily and financially, and apply them in such a way that we are making America as safe as possible? And I believe that my approach is the right one.
Couric: But talking microcosmically, did the surge, the addition of 30,000 additional troops … help the situation in Iraq?
Obama: Katie, as … you’ve asked me three different times, and I have said repeatedly that there is no doubt that our troops helped to reduce violence. There’s no doubt.
Couric: But yet you’re saying … given what you know now, you still wouldn’t support it … so I’m just trying to understand this.
Obama: Because … it’s pretty straightforward. By us putting $10 billion to $12 billion a month, $200 billion, that’s money that could have gone into Afghanistan. Those additional troops could have gone into Afghanistan. That money also could have been used to shore up a declining economic situation in the United States. That money could have been applied to having a serious energy security plan so that we were reducing our demand on oil, which is helping to fund the insurgents in many countries. So those are all factors that would be taken into consideration in my decision– to deal with a specific tactic or strategy inside of Iraq.
Couric: And I really don’t mean to belabor this, Senator, because I’m really, I’m trying … to figure out your position. Do you think the level of security in Iraq …
Obama: Yes.
Couric … would exist today without the surge?
Obama: Katie, I have no idea what would have happened had we applied my approach, which was to put more pressure on the Iraqis to arrive at a political reconciliation. So this is all hypotheticals. What I can say is that there’s no doubt that our U.S. troops have contributed to a reduction of violence in Iraq. I said that, not just today, not just yesterday, but I’ve said that previously. What that doesn’t change is that we’ve got to have a different strategic approach if we’re going to make America as safe as possible.
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This guy is so retarded. He would oppose the surge still, even knowing what he knows now.
And yet when asked what he would think would have happened if we followed his advice, and he doesn’t know.
That is amazing in its ignorance. He doesn’t know???? Didn’t the idiot ever think about the consequences of just leaving?
Well as many of us have said.. it seems that Lefties never think about the impact of their ideas, such as they are.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Get back to me when you care as much about the ACTUAL terrorists Bush/Cheney do business with , or McCain’s nefarious connections with lobbyists like Randy Scheunemann, who probably figures (with Saakashvili), that $900,000, buys US military intervention.
Ayers is cartoon, meant only to pacify and comfort the right wing base .
September 6th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Old Left I see you are still using Microsoft on your computer that is partly owned by the bin Ladin family.
Funny it is just like the game of how everybody is linked by seven degrees of seperation to Kevin Bacon.
September 6th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Sigh…
Fact: 6.1 unemployment is still less than the average unemployment rate over the last few decades.
Fact: the Republicans told you that unemployment and inflation would both rise after the minimum wage got increased….
New Federal Minimum Wage:
$6.55 – July 24th, 2008
…and GOLLY GEE, it did. And now, of COURSE, it’s the Republicans’ fault.
Par. Course.
Lie, Alan, LIE. Longest streak running.
September 6th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Ayers is a cartoon, yep, you betcha, a murderous, terrorist cartoon.
I like this cartoon in particular…
http://chenzhen.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/ayers1.jpg
You’re right, Ayers is just your typical run o’ the mill democrat, and that’s photo evidence to prove it.
September 6th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
“This guy is so retarded. He would oppose the surge still, even knowing what he knows now.”
Calling this person retarded is an insult to retarded people. Sure, he can regurgitate a speech to a desperately adoring, IQ-challenged crowd, but speaking off the cuff he couldn’t complete a sentence if each one came with a diagram.
September 6th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Can we trust Sarah Palin to improve the economy of the USA? Why don’t we ask the folks of the town of Wasilla. When she came there as mayor they had no debt. However, she left the town at the end of her tenure something like 20 million dollars in debt. Sound like George W.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Regarding the surge: there would hae been no need for a surge had there been no war!! Kinda like locking the barn door after the horse already ran out. Also, did the surge really work, or did they simply move over to Afganistan, therefore; all the increase in violence there.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Regarding the surge: there would have been no need for a surge if there had been no war!!
September 6th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Let’s see. John McCain is just G.”W” Bush in disguise. He has supported old Bush and the demon Repub’s 90% of the time. Wait, Obama has voted the REED, POLOSI line 97% of the time, but only when he found time to interrupt his campaign for President – which to be fair din’t begin for at least 60 days after being elected to the Senate – and his networking with with the Al Capone- whoops – Richard Daley Chicago Democratic MACHINE, and getting spiritual advice from that great proponent of racial harmony Rev Wright – and getting real estate advice , and fundraising assistance from from his moallity adviser Tony Rizko, and consulting with his terrorism adviser and expert Richard Ayers – ya, lets just take that back. And the economy is the result of Republican corruption and greed. And when the Democtats get control of the Senate and the House, they will clean it up by getting rid of all earmarks – no wait, I take that last bit back – forget the earmark thing. They’ll make the place more open and democratic – no wait they won’t allow a vote on drilling offshore, even though 80% of Americans want them to – so take that back also. I know, the price of gas! Greed – the oil companies. Lets just increase supply and let the market work – no wait, we won’t allow that and the republicans thought of that – take that back. Yes. Wind. Beautiful wind, and at only 5 times the cost of conventional power, But wait, what about when the wind stops blowing – we’ll set up the windmills on the Democratic side of the house! But wait, There’s still the problem of vacations. And they seem to be having difficulty with a wind powered car. MMMM. Electric cars!!!!. From clean coal fired power stations. But new industries building batteries – oh – lead, acid, millions of miles of new power lines, more power stations. YES, Nuclear power – what, we oppose that too – OK, take that back.
I know. Lets just find a great con artist to go and PROMISE everything. A messiah. A parter of water. That’ll work. Lower taxes for the poor and middle class – we’ll just get it from those rich SOB,s with million dollar mansions (take back the mansions thing). And we’ll play Robin Hood and redistribute it to whoever supports us (minus our 60% commission of course). And we’ll get CNN, and MSNBC, and MBC and most of the remaining press on board to promote us and censor everything (we’ll play “Russia” – or “cuba” – or “N Korea). We’ll give them a free trip to Iraq on a chartered jet, and free tickets to a rock concert in Berlin – GREAT. And we’ll have another one in Denver – FANTASTIC. But wait. If we do raise taxes on business, and they all leave and go elsewhere – what do we do with the workers – BIGGER government!!! BUt where will we get the money to pay them. If we can print the money in China it will be cheaper. And Our kids need to have some motivation for the future – lets just leave them a huge debt. And we can just get rid of the military – not just cut it back. We have the Messiah on our side – he” just go and talk to Putin, and Kim, and Asad, and Ahmadinejad, and Castro, and Chavez and Hezbollah, and Hamas. He could invite them ALL to one of his sermons – where’s the biggest stadium on Earth? This is gunna be GREAT. After being elected president, we’ll rename him PUFF (WIND ENERGY!) the magic dragon. And what a team. Rizko as financial, and ecomic adviser, Ayers as terrorism adviser, Wright as spiritual adviser. There must be a Chicago Daley that can be found for anti corruption adviser. Wolf Blitzer as propoganda – whoops – I mean press – secretary.
You’ve found the guy. Obama? Second hand vacuum cleaner salesman? No, but he believes he can walk on water. And he’s black – we’ve got an immediate 10% head start in the polls already. Got a map of the white house – I get a corner office!!!!
September 6th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
So what’s your point, Ellen? Ayers was an acquaintence of Barack, so what? That proves nothing.
Wait, I’m wrong. It proves you have nothing (poor dear) and you are grasping at straws.
September 6th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
So what’s your point, Ellen? Ayers was an acquaintence of Barack, so what? That proves nothing.
Wait, I’m wrong. It proves you have nothing (poor dear) and you are grasping at straws.
Posted by TDro
Well TDro: Ayers, Wright, Rivko. Unfortunate series of coincidences, these “acquaintences” of Barack. You know what they say ” if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, well you know … well obviously you don’t know – it probably is a duck” or in this case a Goose. And you (poor dear – or is it “sweetie”), I suggest you grasp (or gasp) at oxygen, not straw. A good oxygen supply is necessary for mental development.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
The news we keep hearing keeps on confirming the truth: CONSERVATIVES ARE THE TRUE ELITISTS!!! All their actions are for the benefit of the country-club rich, multinational corporations that continue to ship more jobs overseas, and military contractors like Halliburton and Blackwell. And all the while more programs for the needs of the struggling middle class and those in poverty keep being cut. –proudtucsonliberal
September 6th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Hey,Dave(downunder) it is real sad about your miserable life. But you created it and until you stop making fun of real problems you will live it!
September 6th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat but a true Independent who believes in facts and really believes in learning the lessons of our history.
So here is a simple fact for America -
1) During Ronald Reagan’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1981-1989, we were at our economic best in a quarter of a century. We made the right choice in these 8 years as a country.
2) During George H. W. Bush Sr.’s Presidency of 1 term, between 1989-1993, we were at our economic worst in a quarter of a century. We made a huge mistake as a country but corrected it by keeping him in office for only 1 term.
3) During Bill Clinton’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1993-2001, we were again at our economic best in a quarter of a century, even better than Reagan’s era. We made the right choice again in these 8 years as a country, despite his personal scandals.
4) Now, during George W. Bush Jr.’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 2001-this coming January 20, 2009; we have been at our economic worst in a quarter of a century, even worst than Bush Sr.’s era. We really made a huge mistake as a country on this one by not realizing that the apple really doesn’t fall very far from the tree. Yet we chose this apple again the second time around.
Now, really let this simple fact sink in America and take your time to think carefully this time around about how you want the direction of this country to go.
We made history with Reagan. We then made a mistake with Bush Sr. but corrected history by allowing him to only serve 1 term. We then made history again with Clinton, despite his personal scandals. Now, we have made 2 mistakes with Bush Jr. by allowing him to serve not once, but twice. So my last question to America is, guess which candidate shares the interests of both, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.? I will let America answer this one. We are much, much smarter as a country to want to make history rather than make mistakes and to suffer yet again from our own mistakes by not using objectivity as our first and foremost agenda.
September 7th, 2008 at 2:24 am
God Bless all of you libs!
Alan is your leader and you all follow, all the while nipping at the heels of true leaders. I pity you but recogize that throughout the history of this great nation, there have been others just like you!
Fortunately for the United States of America, your kind has always been defeated. You constantly rant about what a terrible country we are. You are well versed on the mistakes we’ve made. Are you equally versed on the good that our country had done? Probably not; because your only goal is to bring us down.
You forgive President Bill Clinton for adultry. You forget his non-responses to the bombings of the US Embassys in Africa, the first attack on the World Trade Center and the attack on the USS Cole. Yet you attack President George W. Bush for keeping us from another attack on our soil.
You members of the left-wing of the Democatic party are not patriots! You do not wish to make our country better. You, along with people like George Soros, want to destroy it! Admit it! You are like the Tories during the American Revolution, the Vincy Government in WW2 France and the Jane Fondas during the Vietnam War.
Our Constitution protects free speech and your right to expouse your opinion, regardless of however silly it may be. Why does your side have to resort to personal attacks instead of debating the issues? Why don’t you condemn the outrageous attacks on Gov. Palin and her family?
I predict that the wonderful American people will reject you! I predict a landslide in the upcoming election. You do not understand the people that make our country great. You will be defeated! Again.
September 7th, 2008 at 2:39 am
Alan,
Please, oh please, tell us what Senator Obama has either accomplished or legislated during his term in the US Senate? Some of us would love to know what he has done while in office.
Thank you,
September 7th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Want to discuss issues? How about the rise in the unemployment figures? Lest you forget, we conservatives warned you liberals that raising the minimum wage would do just that-raise unemployment. Your chickens have come to roost!
September 7th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
did bush raise the minimum wage?
but those tax cuts are doin a heckuva job.
September 7th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
obama passed a law to help disarm loose nukes in russia.
September 7th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
mccain says accomplishments don’t matter. that’s why he picked palin.
September 7th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Who defines the issues? I find it interesting that liberals are the least emotionally developed group of people. All you liberals are capable of is sarcasm and calling names. You cause the very problems that exist in almost every issue in the government and then blame the republicans for it. Name some things for me that the government solved. Smaller goverment is the answer. I also find that most liberals are the most unhappy people. Ronald Reagan said it best. “Liberals are the problem, not the solution”. Anyone feel the same way?
September 7th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
well, it would appear that bush’s tax cuts have not prevented this recession.
September 7th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
i think reagan said govt is the problem, not the solution. maybe he said that too. i’m not sure.
September 7th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
reagan also supported a few tax increases, such as the in hike in the payroll tax and ther removal of corporate loopholes which resulted in a tax hike.
September 7th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
The recession and the deficit are caused by spending in congress. Gas prices are also the fault of liberals in congress. The Bush tax cuts were a good thing.
September 7th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Tedd,
The big spending with the war in Iraq you mean? I definitely agree with you then that we should get out of Iraq ASAP to cut spending.
Gas prices are not the fault of ‘liberals’ in congress. A large percentage of the rise in gas prices can be attributed to the weakening of the dollar, caused by Bush’s monetary policy. He dumped a ton of $$$ into the economy to try to prop it up, which, naturally, weakened the $$$ causing all dollar based commodities to increase accordingly.
September 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Cara,
Do you remember being attacked by the extremists on 9/11? Do you remember all of the events leading up to 9/11? Clearly tolerence for the extremists does not work. We had to go into Iraq and Afghanistan. This war has gone on longer because the media needed an issue to tear down George Bush. I am confident history will judge Bush favorably. Could you imagine if we had Al Gore in office for 9/11? We would have sent lawyers to deal with this.
Gas prices are a fault of liberals. Who controls the amount of refineries that are built? Who controls the ability for drilling more? Who controls the ability to build more nuclear power plants? Who controls the amount we use coal? This list is continuous. The dollar is weakened by the amount of spending by congress. You have to remember that the money he put back into the economy belonged to the tax payers. If you cannot afford entitlement spending then dont spend it. You see. Every issue can be attributed back to spending in congress. While I would say that there are some Republicans at fault too. We should learn the lessons from Reaganomics and how successful they were. Be open to this idea. Thank you for your comments.
September 7th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
You folks that claim Gov. Palin supported an Alaskan separatist movement should do some more homework. You’ll find that both Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden support the so-called Akaka Bill to establish a separatist Hawaiian government. The bills sponsor, Sen. Daniel Akaka even admitted it could lead to secession.
Next issue…?
September 7th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
I agree Walt!!!
September 7th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Tedd,
The $$$ that were dumped into the economy is the result of the Fed lowering interest rates for so long, it is in effect how the government ‘prints’ money. When there are more $$$ floating around, each one is worth less, and thus commodities tied to the dollar cost more dollars. The Fed. sets this monetary policy, not congress. Certainly the deficit/national debt is a big problem, that I am very concerned about, but Fed. policy is what has hurt the value of the $$$, not spending or tax policy.
Re 9/11 – Nope, haven’t forgotten it, but Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. By your reasoning, we should have invaded Saudi Arabia, right? They are the ones who have funded the schools that teach the extreme version of Islam that has spread AND most of the hijackers were from there.
September 7th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
There are Republican issues and Democratic issues. Both Sen. Obama and Sen. McCane are defying them. Change in DC will not come from age old “party defined issus.” That is why many hard core Republicans do not like McCane. Thank God both of our candidates are offering different ideas. I gave lot of credit to Sen. McCane that he is brave enough to pick a woman who is not a “Ivy Leaguer.” She is not even from East or West cost.She is from farther North. Sarah Palin and her fanily are like an open cannon just like Hillary and Bill and Rev Wright and Ms. Obama were during primory.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Um Cara,
What causes the fed to print more money? You Dems fail to address the root cause. Take it a step or two further. Why do they have to print more money? Spending? Take the fed argument a step further. As for Iraq, they have been supporting terrorism financially. The people they supported attacked places like Israel and the U.S. Saddam Hussein had a long proven financial hitory connected to terrorists. I don’t necessarily agree with Saudi Arabia policies either. That is why energy idependence is so important. We should not be giving any money to Saudi Arabia. And yes, they should be held accountable. Do you think Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden policies are the fix for this problem. The Clinton’s did nothing about this for 8 years. Bush will be judged as being correct for his historic policies on terrorism. By the way, Congress approved overwhelmingly to support the war in Iraq. Why do you only hold Bush responsible? John Kerry voted for the war before he voted against it. Joe Liberman also got right. He is the only Democrat that makes sense anymore. I think the Republicans are leading on the issues here. I see that McCain is beating Obama in the polls right now by two percentage points and most polling agencies expect this to go higher. About two months till the election. What are you Dems going to do if McCain and next president Palin get into office? Good discussion. I appreciate the point of view you give.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Lopa,
Please don’t take this as a put down, spelling is not my forte either, but if you use firefox3 as your browser, it will auto-underline misspelled words for you as you type them, then you can right click on those words and find the correct spelling. It would make your posts a little easier to read.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Tedd,
I’m getting ready to go to bed, so will take this up with you another day – but a few quick responses…
1> I’m not a Democrat, I’m almost 40 and have voted in every presidential election I have been eligible for, and this will be the first time I have voted D. I am a liberal however. (have not always been, but am now, and at this point in my life, it’s probably where I will remain)
2> The Fed lowered interest rates to prop up the economy which has been feeble for a while, due to a variety of reasons, including when we had Republican house/senate/presidency AND also during the current Democratic congress, BOTH parties have a huge part to play in this
3> The war in Iraq was NEVER sold as a response to 9/11, but I understood from your earlier post that you saw a connection. I guess it is part of the war on terror, been partially sold as WOT, but I would say there are other countries more directly supporting terrorist actions
4> Having said that -I- don’t support a war on ‘terror’ i.e. a war on a tactic, I think ‘wars’ should be between nations, so there is someone to surrender at the end (i.e. actual defined ends to the war)
5> I never said ‘only Bush is responsible’ I think you have me mixed up with someone else? As you mention, members from both parties support the war in Iraq (and the WOT in general, including both McCain and Obama – my position is not represented by either party)
G’nite all!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:12 pm