Palin’s Support Of Aerial Hunting
Governor Sarah Palin offered a bounty of $150 to anyone who participated in aerial shooting of wolves in 2007.
State incentive program. To motivate permittees to redouble their efforts and to help offset the high cost of aviation fuel, ADF&G will offer cash payments to those who return biological specimens to the department. Permittees will be paid $150 when they bring in the left forelegs of wolves taken from any of several designated control areas. “We can learn more about the wolf population age structure from these specimens,” Director Robus said, “and that information will be useful in the years to come as we modify our program to fit changing circumstances.”
Thankfully, the state superior court ruled against this horrible practice in 2008.
In March, Superior Court Judge William F. Morse invalidated the aerial killing of wolves in several small areas of the state while issuing a ruling upholding the predator control program. The suit was filed by Friends of Animals, Defenders of Wildlife and the Alaska Wildlife Alliance.
Of course, that hasn’t changed Palin’s point of view.
Its amazing the hypocracy from the far right.
They call themselves “pro-life”, think they have the right to tell women what to do with their bodies.. They are so worried about fetuses, yet they have no problem getting in a low flying airplane shooting down beautiful wild animals and call it a sport. Oh the irony.
If you are going to call yourself pro-life, lets at least be consistant. Great post Alan.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Well Palin just wanted to grow her biggest voter base. The caribou.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Oh come on!! There is a BIG difference between human life & animal life. These wolves are being hunted for animal control. Anyways, Alan didn’t post the whole article, he is misleading people as usual. Read the whole story folks and then you will see how Alan chose bits and pieces and stopped short of telling the whole story.
BAD POST ALAN!
September 6th, 2008 at 1:20 am
I wonder why Colmes doesn’t mention this stuff on H$C.
What a weasel!
September 6th, 2008 at 1:23 am
BTW Bob, How can a person care so much about animals and not care about human life? Isn’t human life worth more? Why are you more concerned for an overpopulation of wolves than for human life?
September 6th, 2008 at 1:27 am
He doesn’t mention it because he doesn’t have anything here. I think most states have animal control.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:30 am
Libs care more about rabid, mange infested wolves than they do about an innocent human child in the womb.
It’s all part of the sickness called Liberalism.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:35 am
Carol, I do consider myself pro-life and pro-choice and I would never want my girlfriend to have an abortion if she got pregnant.
I’m just don’t believe what the girl next door wants to do is any of my business. Its all about privacy and civil liberties. For you to insist I don’t care about human life is typical of the anti-choice crowd. They paint anyone who believes in woman’s civil and reproductive rights as abortion lovers. Get real and worry about yourself!
And I have nothing against hunting (although this aerial hunting does NOT seem fair at all), I just think its hypocracy at its finest that the social conservatives are all about touting their guns and killing wild animals, but a fetus they have nothing to do with is most important thing in the world!
An abortionist might argue that abortion is population control. Population is growing exponentially and its not like we have an infinite amount of resources. (no i’m not advocating abortion, I’m countering your “control” argument.)
September 6th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Bob
i think that the issue is human life when it comes to Abortion. which i find curious.
How can those same people attempt to save the lives of the ruthless cold hearted murders, torturers, and child molesters, then do a complete about-face and demand that a woman has the right to extinguish the life of a child of which can not defend itself? How can those same people describe themselves as Champions of the voiceless, defenseless animals and then champion the right to abort?”
Life is defined as: The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.
A human is defined as: A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens, also humans are 23 pairs of chromosomes, for a total of 46.
Thus concluding from the undeniable that those unborn are human lives, and because these children are humans in America “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.—” In this case the absolute Despotism is characterized by the unwavering view that woman’s right to choose life or death trumps the individual rights of Life Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness of the unborn yet still human life.
September 6th, 2008 at 2:36 am
Once again Aaron – your missing the point.
Conservatives are obsessed with fetuses,but once that baby is born they don’t give a crap about it anymore!
September 6th, 2008 at 3:08 am
Bob- Your a contradiction. What about that babies civil liberties? Why do you deny it it’s civil rights? You must not see it as human life. At one time you were a “fetus”. You seem to care more for the rights of wolves than life’s most vunerable people. Why is it that if a pregnant woman is murdered, the killer is charged with 2 murders?
I do respect my neighbor’s rights & privacy, BUT if they were to commit a crime/murder then their civil liberties end. We all have the right to live freely, to have our own beliefs and opinions, but not at the expense of another’s life.
I still fail to see where you get this hipocrasy thing from. Your problem is your putting animals on the same level or above as humans. They are not equal. What is not fair about the aerial hunting? Did you read the whole articles? You need to come up with a better counter against my “control argument” than that, it just doesn’t hold water.
I am not painting you anything, you already did that yourself.
Aaron- very well said!
September 6th, 2008 at 3:37 am
Danielle-
I have come to the conclusion that the Democrats are all about keeping the people dependent on the government so that they can control the people. Your post just reinforces this.
September 6th, 2008 at 3:49 am
Aaron, I can see your points, they are valid. I even agree with some of them. That doesn’t mean a very personal issue like this should be legislated.
Like it or not, as long as the fetus is unable to sustain outside of the mother’s womb, the mother > the fetus… its her choice, not yours.
I know a few women who have had abortions. Believe me, it was not an easy decision for any of them and its not a decision that is made lightly.
As to why animals aren’t at the same level as humans, where do you get this from? Just because our spieces is more intelligent, we are to disregard animal life? if you are truly pro-life, you respect ALL life, right?
I think every single one of you social conservatives who think its your job to tell other people what to do with their bodies should adopt some crack babies or aids babies.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:06 am
Well Bob
that is just silly, i am a conservative, as well as my youth group Alaska, my fathers church in Cali, Pres. Bush is a conservative and he started up a foundation that is assisting children that have been orphaned by by AIDs. Then there are all the other conservative churches that have programs feeding, adopting, donating money time and mentoring inner city kids. Oh yeah and the other programs that my father started about getting women who are drug addicts to rehab and their lives straight so that they can start being apart of their children’s lives again.
So now that we care about the kid that have been born can we stop killing them before they are born?
September 6th, 2008 at 4:11 am
well bob
I do respect all life, that is why i kill only what i eat, or eat what i kill.
So let me get this straight… we can’t tell a woman what to do with her body, yet the woman can tell the unborn child what to do with its life? I don’t understand Bob, if i am supposed to respect all life, then why is it that a woman doesn’t have to respect the life that she aborts? See its not about the woman’s body it is about the child’s body, life, and simple right to live as happy as the child can.
You see Bob to make something less then human makes it okay to kill it, oppress it, beat it, like the Nazis did with the Jews. Or the Americans with the Slaves, or every other genocide that has taken place in the history of Mankind. Life is life, and a human is a human and all of us have the right to live. Bob, the rights of the strong do not hold presidency over the weak.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:22 am
Aaron, yes. The fetus is fully dependent on the mother and she has the right to do with it as she pleases until it is sustainable outside of her body. We don’t have to like it or agree with it, but its her right. Its not a decision to be made lightly and the last thing that should be involved is more government control. There are cases where it may be the potential mother’s best option and should be available in a safe way. Making it impossible will only put the mother’s health (who we can 100% prove is a fully alive human being) at greater risk. I don’t like abortion either Aaron, especially after the first tri-mester and I don’t think any respectable doctor should agree to perform an abortion after the second trimester. In the end, its their decision.
Where “human life” actually begins is a question beyond our ability to answer, at least as of 2008. Your opinion is not fact, and neither is mine. You probably believe a 2 day old embryo should have equal rights as the woman carrying it. I do not. Barack Obama said it best at that ridiuclous faith forum that I still can’t believe he agreed to attened. That was clearly set up to appease the loony evangelicals who all vote R because they are more worried about fetuses and what gay people are doing as opposed to the economy, 4 dollar gas, our honorable men and women dying in unjust war, I could go on and on.
BTW, I fully support the death penalty too. I am a Libertarian but I am voting Dem this year. We need more people to stand up to the religious right who thinks their values and morals should be imposed on the rest of this great country.
September 6th, 2008 at 5:08 am
Funny how libs will take “scientific proof” of global warming, but refuse it on when life begins.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:06 am
Bob as you might have imagined this is going to be a bit long.
God? who said anything about God? since when is quoting the Declaration of Independence quoting the Bible. Since when is a Biological Definition about religion? this argument has nothing to do about religion! why must we always assume that Pro-life has anything to do with it. It is fact that the definition of life is: The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism. I didnt just make that crap up, really Bob. I mean it science Bob not a bunch of fire and brimstone. 46 chromosomes i didn’t just pull that number down from the heavens on the wings of a white dove, come Bob, that like 5th grade factual science. I have never once mention God as the issue i have quoted scientific Biology and the Declaration of Independence. These are not my opinions it is only what it is. I believe that the Church should not rule the State, nor should the State rule the Church.
Gas at 4 dollars is the Federal Government’s fault for restricting the building of more refineries, the building of more Nuclear power plants and drilling for natural gas, not the church. The economy can not be fixed by the government cutting in to the profits of the top 5% of tax payers who’s AGI is only $160,000.00 and more. that, Bob, is single income and those families that file joint taxes. There’s a lot of small business that make that Bob and still need to pay the light bill. And Bob, those numbers can be found with the IRS Website. Did you know that I am in the United States Coast Guard and i fought abroad, i finish a tour over there Bob.
When long train of abuses and usurpations, are preventing others their rights to are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, its a big deal Bob. as a matter of a fact, it is such a big deal that we fought two wars about it Bob. Revolution war, cause mean old England was treading all over our rights and taxing the hell out of our tea. the the confederates tried to separate from the Union and Ol’ Abraham Lincoln said well we can’t let that happen, and oop why don’t we free some slaves. We even had to make it a special set of laws, Bob, those were called the Civil Rights.
But there is one thing that we do agree on very much, Bob, and that is when the mother’s life is in danger we must take actions to save her life, there is no since in losing two people. See, Bob, that makes since.
Bob, we gotta talk about this “unjust” war. Bob this war was voted by both houses with the same information that the President had. With a little bit of effort Bob, you would know that the UN signed 18 Resolutions demanding that Saddam show proof that he did not have the weapons of mass destruction,chemical, and biological weapons. Bob with a little of research would would also find that 5 different intelligence agencies, France, Germany, England, CIA, and FBI contained intelligence that he had chemical, biological and very possible weapons grade plutonium. And Bob, there was also the 911 commission report that confirms that Osama Benladen and Saddam were in contact with each other, BUT there was NO evidence that they conspired the attack on 911. Bob, the French sold plutonium to Iraq, BUT, it was not weapons grade. Also the UN had NO objection to the US entering the war. People have died Bob, and i Remember my fallen Brothers and Sisters everyday. and for any one to call this war unjust it is just very ignorant of them. It is sad that alquida packed women and children into a van the ordered a man to drive it at the armed soldiers so that Americans can be blamed for killing civilian women and children. Bob, my American brother, we’re family you and i so i say this with love: Eating mindless EXTREME liberal poo, and then blindly just regurgitating is not very open minded.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:33 am
Alan,
Your so concerned about the Wolves how can you be pro life with an animal and then pro choice with a baby? This is animal control and if your going to print a story don’t leave parts of it out like you did with this one. It seems to me your trying to find anything you can get on Sarah Palin. Do you have something against her or do you just hate women period? If you look back in your posts 90% are about Sarah Palin. She seems to threaten you dosn’t she? Why don’t you bring some of these stories to H & C? Poor post like everything else you post here. You are worst than I could ever Imagine. Folk’s do your homework and you will find this is not the complete story don’t be like sheep and follow this guy.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:55 am
global warming, Local pollution as tremendous effect on the local ecosystem. Man contribution to the warming of the planet on a GLOBAL scale, not proven, it is still in the early Hypothesis stage. I go over it on MySpace www. myspace. com /aaron_stewart_
September 6th, 2008 at 7:12 am
There is no Global Warming. CO2 does not contribute to “global warming” in any significant way.
In the past, all the periods of warming had the air temp go up, and then later the CO2 levels would go in response. CO2 increase is a result of warming, not it’s cause.
Also, the Sun’s magenetic activity has come nearly to a stand-still this year. The new Sunspot cycle is a year late and still yet to happen.
The last time this happened, the mini-ice age in northern hemisphere occured.
September 6th, 2008 at 7:19 am
very true there has been times that the CO2 levels have been higher then today’s and the temperatures were cooler then today. Another thing they dont teach you in Man made Global Warming Class is over 120,000 years ago the whole of Antarctica and most of Green land was melted away and there is significant evidence that sea levels weren’t much different the today’s. They think because of the warmer equator temperatures there was greater evaporation taking place. That is why they are having a hard time seeing a difference with “all” of this melting. More storms and rain in other places which cause flooding and stuff, but the sea is not going to swallow Manhattan. The other funny thing is if you saw Gores move he was acting like the Antarctica was going to melt in 10 years, when there are many scientist that agree, more then not, with all estimations we are looking like it will take 2 to 3 THOUSAND years. that is coming from the greenies. YET i want to stress that local environments can be decimated, too much smog does effect local air quality, chopping down too many trees that local ecosystem can be crippled like to much runoff causing landslides, and fish and aquatic plant dying off and water being too poisonous to even swim in from dumping. so we should take care of our immediate area. Nothing wrong with a clean house, let just not get so anal that we are saran wrapping the couch.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:17 am
oh yeah and the planet doesn’t rotate perfectly on its axis and some or theorizing that, that could have been apart of global temperature changes.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Arron I laugh when the enviromarxist Global Warming alarmists think it’s the creationists who are against science. Not that there’s any connection with disputing Global Warming and believing in creation..
It’s just that it seems like everyone who makes a fuss over creation all seem like die hard global warming hysterics
September 6th, 2008 at 8:32 am
“You must not see it as human life.”
Obviously you don’t define ‘human life’ identically.
And you never will.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:19 am
I wonder: If there is negative attention to this article, will it disappear from the site like the negative, almost rabid article written about Sarah last week. Never heard anything that resembled an apology from Mr Colmes about that un-truthful missive. It just got removed from the site, as if it never happened.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Global warming: If the world is not warming, why is the arctic melting? Or do you all think the arctic is not melting and that’s a load of liberal lies? Do you think it’s a good idea to be putting all this CO2 into the atmosphere, steadily increasing atmospheric concentrations? Or do you all think concentrations are not increasing and the liberals are lying again?
Abortion: Good grief, what does this have to do with shooting wolves from planes?
Shooting wolves from planes: what exactly is the problem with the wolves? What are they hurting? I don’t think they’re killing babies or other humans as these posts suggest, but am I missing something? And aren’t white Alaskan hunters up to the task of traditional hunting techniques or are modern Alaskans less capable than eskimos? Is it fun shooting things from planes? How about shooting chickens from planes, that would be fun too, with no ethical problems.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:38 am
I guess she’s a good fit for the GOP.
She must be a fan of Cheney’s hunting quail in a barrel.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Hey Colmes just rename your site to Commieland
September 6th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Glad to see that Alan is still as unhinged as ever, if not more so. What does animal control have to do with her running for VP? Absolutely nothing. I can’t tell from his screed whether it is animal control itself, or the methods employed he considers a “horrible practice”.
Ever been to Alaska Alan? Ever seen a wolf close up and personal Alan? Ever fired a rifle Alan? Ever had your livestock and pets killed and/or maimed by packs of wolves Alan? Heard the screams of a calf or colt as it is ripped apart by wolves Alan? Ever walked over the remains of your pet after it’s been torn to shreds by wolves Alan? Ever been outside of New York City Alan?
Animal control is a necessary practice, as anyone who has hit a deer with their vehicle knows intimately, or who has seen the remains of animals by the side of the road. Overpopulation of wild animals is due in large part to the ignorance of people like Alan. If Mr. Colmes had ever seen the rugged terrain of Alaska, he would realize that animal control from the air is the most effective, and humane method of dealing with a huge problem in that state. It may seem amusing to see a moose walking down the street in a TV show intro sequence. It is not so amusing when a Bull Moose charges you in your back yard after you catch him eating your short season garden. They are big! And normally docile. Wolves are anything but timid and docile.
Take your meds Alan.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:46 am
” If the world is not warming, why is the arctic melting?”
Because it’s summer.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:02 am
And I’m sure this story has NOTHING to do with the arctic water getting a little warm.. though I’m not surprised not any of you know about this.. but you’re certain it’s CO2 without a doubt!!
September 6th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Why, precisely, is this a “horrible practice”? Unless I’m missing something, this is silly sentimentality.
People who deplore the sudden death of wolves by human bullets don’t seem to mind the cruelty of the rather more protracted death of caribou and other animals administered by the jaws and teeth of multiple wolves.
The “pro-life hypocrisy” argument is beyond stupid. One might as well say that if you don’t mind eating steaks, you can’t have any moral objections to shooting your neighbors. People who don’t understand the essential brutality of nature can’t seem to understand the distinction between hunting and homicide.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:17 am
http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/02/26/pray-montana-suffers-massive-wolf-kills-on-elk-herd/
September 6th, 2008 at 11:18 am
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=17807
September 6th, 2008 at 11:22 am
http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/08/31/mccains-vp-pick-defends-right-to-shoot-wolves-whats-not-to-like/
September 6th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Keep the pinkies up Alan.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Hey Colmes just rename your site to Commieland
Posted by falcon
September 6th, 2008 at 10:41 am
……………………………….
If Rush Limbaugh renames HIS site Fascistland…
Can’t suggest it though….you need to PAY to post an opinion on his site.
Guess he can’t take the kind of insults you love to heap on Alan.
HEIL!
September 6th, 2008 at 11:42 am
I see that he is for equal pay for woman also: Shows he is all talk. Needs to actually put money where is mouth is:
The average pay for the 33 men on Obama’s staff (who earned more than $23,000, the lowest annual salary paid for non-intern employees) was $59,207. The average pay for the 31 women on Obama’s staff who earned more than $23,000 per year was $48,729.91. (The average pay for all 36 male employees on Obama’s staff was $55,962; and the average pay for all 31 female employees was $48,729. The report indicated that Obama had only one paid intern during the period, who was a male.)
September 6th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Oh, I see. Aerial wolf shooting is good because otherwise those wolves will be cruel to animals. And the planet is not warming – it’s summer! What a smart bunch you all are!
September 6th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Oh, I see. Aerial wolf shooting is good because otherwise those wolves will be cruel to animals.
Can’t you at least try to use your brain? Shooting wolves isn’t good because it prevents cruelty to animals, but taking a stand against it on those grounds is clearly silly.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that the bounty is paid for bringing in the LEFT foreleg.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I guess you have never been on a ranch, a farm, etc. Don’t start bitching when a wolf, mountain lion, bear walks in to your nice suburban or metropolitan neighborhood. By the way forget calling Terminix or pest control for those ground squirrels etc. Stop calling animal control when you see a lose dog or cat in your neighborhood. Become a vegan oh wait that is cruelty to vegetables.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
“If Rush Limbaugh renames HIS site Fascistland…”
Low taxes, small Federal Govt, Free Speech is fascism?
Take me to your leader.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
“…small Federal Govt…”
Dream on. Never happen.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
“…small Federal Govt…”
Dream on. Never happen
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But fascism by Rush Limbaugh will. LOL
Brainwashed leftists are the ones who love fascism. They did in the 30s and they do now.
They’re called “Progressives”
September 6th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
There’s NO evidence that she respects human life.
She cut funds for pregnant teens less fortunate than her own, and she LOVES war.
Spare me!
September 6th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Fascism: The unholy alliance of corporations and the government. Pretty much what we are moving full speed toward these days. Historically, (as in the 30’s) the fascists have always been mortal enemies of the leftists, as in the Spanish civil war, Hitler’s Germany, and later, the McArthy era.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Some Clangbird said there is no evidence that Palin respects human life.
Wow, just when you figured the left couldn’t get any dumber.
Um/Dumber ‘08
September 6th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
IS this REALLY the best Alan can do against Sarah? Jeez….she encouraged people to shoot WOLVES!!!
heheheheheheheh…the desperation of the Left is palpable. They can’t manage their scandal attacks, can’t get the “inexperience” nonsense to stick without the world noticing Obama’s inexperience, can’t connect McCain/Palin with Bush because…well, they’re NOT connected to them…and cannot manage much more than sputtering hatred and really, really, REALLY DUMB attacks like this one.
A few days ago I was kind of peeved at Hannity for not bringing up Alan’s anti-Sarah nonsense on H&C…I understand they must maintain a kind of friendship to do that show every day…but now I realize he is ignoring Alan’s nonsense here because it is so astoundingly IRRELEVANT.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
It’s true!
There IS no evidence that Palin respects human life anymore than anyone else.
I don’t care how well you treat your own daughter, when you are miserly towards those are in greater need AND when you LOVE the cluster bombs, and the Shock and Awe, of war and call it a “task from God”
Or does that life not count if you call it “collateral damage”?
You know those wacky right wingers:
Love the fetus… Hate the child!
Just when you thought the right couldn’t get more hypocritical!
September 6th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Alan, I used to think as a “liberal” you were at least after the truth. You wanted to get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so the people can make an informed decision. Over the past week, I have read your articles and have concluded you do not care about the whole truth. You are no different from the Michael Moores of the world. You will say and distort the truth just to win an election. SAD. But fortunately, people see you as you are. The truth always comes out.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Clangbird is a bird that flies in circles at ever increasing speeds. As the Clangbird flies faster the circles get smaller, until with a violent CLANG the Clangbird disappears up it’s own arse. It is only by the will of GOD that the Clangbird still exists.
Oldlefty is just slower to go Clang than normal! ha
September 6th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
There is no evidence that Oldlefty has a brain! It’s true! None!
September 6th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
See how easy it is to create comments like Oldlefty’s? Not much involved in it…
There is no evidence that OldLefty is not a botched abortion.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
There is no evidence that OLDLEFTY is not an abortion doctor, frantically scrambling for life to snuff out.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Carol,
Your post just proves that Republicans are just a group of judgmental, elitist, arrogant snobs who think that anybody who needs a little help is just looking for a free government handout. Sure, are there people out there who abuse the system – of course. But there are many who don’t.
It is people like you that are unable to apply any empathy or realism to situations. You think regardless of how you entered this world, your life experiences and the values (or lack of values) you were raised with doesn’t at all impact a child’s future potential.
It is people like you that see no difference in the playing field between:
A child who was born into poverty, to some crack-addicted prostitute, who is neglected, beaten, made to feel like garbage, improperly educated in an inner-city school who’s budget is perhaps a 1/4 less than a suburban school, raised with no morals or values -TO HAVE THE SAME LIKELIHOOD OF TURNING OUT AS-
a child who has two loving parents, is wealthy, received a great education and was instilled with good, solid morals.
It’s not about giving free handouts; it’s about trying to even the playing field a bit. You obviously don’t get that – nor does your party as evidenced by their mocking, belittling comments regarding “community organizers”:
“To those who have fallen on hard times”
“To those families who lost their homes”
“To those children who are hungry”
“To those women that are abused”
“To those children that are illiterate”
“To those unemployed”
“To those elderly that have no heart medication”
“To those disabled adults who have no wheelchair”
The message was loud and clear: “F— YOU”!!!!!!
September 6th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
There is no evidence that OLDLEFTY is not Alan Colmes in drag, or that Alan Colmes is actually OLDLEFTY in drag.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
“Fascism: The unholy alliance of corporations and the government”
No dum dum. Fascism is collectivism. Corporates were Government-industrial councils that were responsible for fullfilling the economic orders given to it by the government.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
How can anybody call this a “sport”. There’s not even any real challenge. The animal is pretty much defenseless. I have a hard time thinking of conventional hunting as sport, but this is just plain brutal and cruel almost in the league of the type of stuff Michael Vick went to jail for.
Not only does Palin support this barbaric practice, but she want the government (you know, that thing that conservatives want to stay out of our lives) to PAY people to do it! Is she just trying to say “F— you!” to all environmentalists or lovers of wildlife? How is this in any way something that the government should be rewarding? It accomplishes nothing good. In fact, what it accomplishes is BAD and immoral and may eventually lead to these animals becoming endangered or extinct.
It really saddens me that the people of Alaska would elect a governor who doesn’t care one iota about protecting the environment in Alaska, one of the last places left in our country where one can see beautiful wildlife in pristine environments.
As soon as the polar bear was listed as an endangered species, she protested and sued the federal government. The question is WHY? WHY is she so anti-environment? It seems like she just wants us to kill every other creature on earth while polluting at double the rate we are now. Maybe she WANTS all of the horrible effects of global warming to come FASTER because of some looney sermon she heard about the apocalypse. I wouldn’t put anything past her at this point.
This woman is absolutely crazy, it’s as simple as that. Should John McCain win, God forbid anything should happen to him for his own sake and for the sake of America. Sarah Palin would be the worst President in our country’s history.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Danielle
After a whole week of the LeftBlog-Media complex doing its best to destroy Palin and the rest of the Leftists saying nothing about it.. none of you have the righ to point your finger at anyone.
That game is over.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
aaaaw poor Michael . thinking he knows whats best for the people of Alaska.
What a time we live in when the normal people are viewed as being “absolutely crazy”
September 6th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
If Rush Limbaugh renames HIS site Fascistland…
Can’t suggest it though….you need to PAY to post an opinion on his site.
Guess he can’t take the kind of insults you love to heap on Alan.
HEIL!
I don’t think Alan even makes any money with his site, even though I’m sure he can make a good amount with ad revenue. He does this blog even on weekends when he’s not working. He does it in his free time, and he allows anybody to view and comment for FREE! Heck, come to think about it, he probably has to pay for web hosting and someone to design the site for him
If that somehow means that he’s not genuine in his positions and his enjoyment of his job, I don’t know how to convince you.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
@Vince P.
Oh, sorry, I forgot. Not only is it YOU who knows what’s best for the people of Alaska, YOU know what’s best for everybody in the whole
countryworlduniverse.I think that comment just shows that you can’t argue with my post, so you’re just going to try to portray me as “high and mighty” for expressing my opinion. I have just as much right to express my opinion as you do.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Since most posters seem to be metrosexuals who’s only idea of wildlife involves nightclubs, I’ll break it down for you.
It’s called wildlife management. Game management determines how many animals could survive the winter based on available habitat and set a hunting quota. Wolves are a special category since they prey on livestock.
You can all go back to eating your arugula now
– Nietzsche is Dead
http://warskill.blogspot.com/
September 6th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Hal – Alan can’t bring up these type of things on the Hannity and Colmes show because Hannity would know the truth and he would look like an idiot.
I know you already knew that but I just had to spell it out.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
“I don’t think Alan even makes any money with his site”
I should hope not… who would pay to read propganda you can get at Daily Kos and We Hate Christians dot kill?
September 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Michael: no one is threatenig your rights honey.. calm down.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I should hope not… who would pay to read propganda you can get at Daily Kos and We Hate Christians dot kill?
Well…..the people who advertise on Kos for starters…
September 6th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
The purpose of aerial shooting of wolves,coyotes or other animals, it to quickly take care of a situation that is out of balance or to eliminate animals that may be carrying diseases. That there is a bounty paid by the state shows this is not “sport” hunting but Animal Damage Control (ADC) or other state-sponsored need for animals to be killed.
Most people in the lower-fortyeight have no grasp for the size of Alaska. It is more than “very big”. The cost and time to get to the isolated wolf-elemination areas are prohibitive by conventional means. The tundra is often not something that can be driven over with conventional vehicles. ADC workers can cover more area by aircraft and kill the designated animals with far greater efficiency and at lower cost than by other means.
Here in Arizona, coyote populations are such that there is an open season on them: they can be hunted daily and with no limit to numbers taken. There remains areas with so high a concentration of coyotes that aerial ADC hunters are tasked with killing these animals.
Like many members of the cat family, coyotes kill for fun and also “training” of the young.
I would imagine the sight of coyotes following a very-pregnant doe-deer or antelope and then tearing the baby from the mother during the birthing process would be a mind-changing experience. That activity happens in Arizona hundreds (thousands?) of time each year. The coyotes then kill the weakened mother animal. Coyotes over populate unless controled.
Also, here in Arizona, in many upscale communities it is common for wild coyotes to attack people’s dogs on leash, while the nice man or nice woman stands in horror, watching the family pet dog being pulled apart right in front of them by one or more hungry coyotes.
The “animal lovers” have no idea or they elect to ignore the way of the wild. I have to wonder if those same animal lovers have leather seats in their cars, wear leather belts or eat meat of any kind. Hipocracy is alive with the “animal lovers”.
By the way, isn’t the topic of this: Palin’s Support for Aerial Hunting?
September 6th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
It is easy to see why A.Combs would throw out this “red herring” issue without providing the whole story.
With the “editted” version of the aerial hunting of wolves, A.Combs presents the action but he withholds the cause for the “actions”. Not a very “ballanced” approach but it is in line with normal liberal propaganda machine “news”.
September 6th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Vince -
Oh please, do not even go there!
Yeah…that horrible “liberal media” attacking Palin and us not coming to her defense! Geez, I wonder why? Perhaps it’s your “ever so fair and balanced” approach to things.
I don’t recall you being outraged by Hillary Clinton excused of using the gender card and told if she wants to play with the big boys then take the apron strings off because everybody gets personally attacked.
I don’t recall you ever feeling the “lynching” of the Clinton’s being a bit over the top.
I don’t recall you being outraged by your potential President calling 14 year old Chelsea Clinton “ugly and saying he thinks her father is Janet Reno”.
I don’t recall you ever coming to the defense of the parents of unwed, pregnant teens before now.
I don’t recall you being outraged by people calling Obama a Muslim despite the fact it is known that he is not.
I don’t recall you EVER being upset over ANY personal, public attack aimed at a liberal or their family – no matter how hideous or whether it’s even true.
Palin offers nothing of any substance – and do not try to tell me she has experience, that is a f’ing joke. What I find so amusing is that all Republicans talk about is “keeping us safe” and “terrorist threats”, but you LOVE the idea of McCain if elected being the oldest President in American history – with re-occuring bouts of skin cancer picking someone with a bachelor’s degree, with NO national experience, with NO international experience, who as a 44 year old JUST got a passport for the first time in their life, who is under investigation for abuse of power, who when giving that speech CLEARLY had no idea what the f- she was talking about when mentioning the FEW words she uttered about Russia, Iran (that was so clearly read on her face, it was laughable) – but this is who you want answering that phone at 3am, this is the person you want talking to Iran about nuclear weapons, this is the person you want dealing with Putin!?!?!?
MEN: If all it takes is some woman with nice tits, holding a moose gun and knowing how to act like a b—- to brainwash you, please just go rent a porno. We’ll all be safer.
WOMEN: Listen, I want a woman in the White House as badly as you do. But we can do much better than this – let’s hold out for something decent.
MY FELLOW DEMOCRATS: I guess it could be worse. At least we will no longer have to listen to Evangelical bible thumping, obsessions about fetuses and terror attacks, or Bill Clinton’s BJ anymore – we’ll all be dead!
September 6th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Alan Colmes … once again you demonstrate just how stupid you truly are.
Unless you are skilled in the science of wildlife management, and Alaskan wolves specifically, I think it would be wise for you to keep your ignorant mouth closed. But, left wing liberals are not known for wisdom. Those of us with wisdom, and functioning brain cells, see through your understand this attack on Palin is lame pathetic attempt to build antagonism against Palin from the weak-minded lemmings you love so much.
Wolves are very successful and have no natural predators. Wolf population must be controlled [ as it is for many species] to insure the health of species.
Population control of wolves is well accepted practice with the real wildlife experts, it’s not something Palin invented, and it’s been underway for a long time.
http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/management/planning/mcgrath/pred_prey.cfm?
How many times do you need to be smacked down? Are you stupid as you seem, or are you so blinded by left-wing bias that you unaware of your own propaganda? Or, are you just an out-and-out lying mouthpiece?
In my opinion you’re just stupid, a victim of left-wing liberal brain-rot. I’ll bet Obama has medical plan for you and your similarly afflicted friends.
September 6th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Danielle: Dont deflect
Right in front of you is a lie that Alan constructed for the purpose of provoking people to hate a mother of 5.
And your excuse for saying nothing is some political nonsense you invent about me?
What kind of people are you? Is that how you raise your children? No wonder so many people are screwed up… everything is political. It’s not supposed to be that way.
September 6th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Wow Danielle sounds like you have a little pent up anger! Do you not get enough attention from men? Maybe it is you who needs to rent a porno to get some relief. How dare you attack Vince like that? You do not know how he feels about everything you just pointed out. The same could be ask of you on a variety of things.
Do you even know who ask for the investigation on her abuse of power? She did. How dare she have a back bone! How dare she be ethical! How dare she do the right thing. How dare she be a strong woman who knows family values, strong beliefs, work hard as mom and a professional woman.
Now you have a problem with people who have skin cancer? How dare he survive it! How dare he live a long life filled with many experiences.
Now you have a problem with someone who only has a bacholer’s degree. Gosh how dare anyone achieve great heights with only a HS diploma or GED or God forbid they do not graduate at all and dare to be great!
3 am phone call? Boy at least I know she can handle a gun and probable help in defending this country. You act like we live in a world without terriost threats. Boy I would love to live in that world.
Wow you are angry!
I hope your day gets better. Have a great weekend.
September 6th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Second on that Wow- Danielle, needs to sit down, chill out and have a nice cup of herbal tea. It’s simply amazing to me that females would attack someone who’s closer than any woman’s been to the White House in 25 years. Radical leftists like Danielle and Alan Colmes are in attack mode because they see their house of cards collapsing… In WWII the bomber pilots had a saying, “If you’re catching flak, you must be over the target!” Bombs away!
September 6th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Shame on you ALAN! Wildlife control has been necessary for many years. That’s why most pro animal life groups leave it alone!! They probably use planes as the environment there is pretty rugged for ground travel.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
the truth about the wolf thing.
See this is what happens in Big Federal Government. Let Alaska Govern Alaska, CA govern CA and keep DC’s fat arm out of it. You have these politicians who don’t care or understand what is going on in Alaska. They want a shiny gold stick of saving animals to get the vote of the PETAs and other extremest. So you have Politicians governing what is good for Alaska from DC who might have seen it on a map once, they don’t understand the economics or the ecology and they though out their universal blanket.
Alaska has relocation plans for wolves, they also have population control for wolves for two reasons. When the wolf population gets too large, the decimate the Caribou and the Moose population, when you have more predators (bears, lynx, wolverines, fox, and wolves)the prey (Caribou, Moose, porcupines, ptarmigan), suffer STARVATION! Alaska’s economy is partly tided in to hunting all of those animals except for the wolf. No animals, no hunting, no MONEY! Second the wolves interact with the people more and attack both people and there pets, these two inevitable scenarios will cause a higher death toll and irrational resentment for the wolf. Also it was Alaska who saved these wolves and bought their population back to its current numbers.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Vince: I’m not deflecting.
Your original post had to do with being upset over Palin being attacked, my argument was – “yeah what’s your point everyone is”. You are acting like Palin is the only politician that has been fairly or unfairly attacked.
I’m not saying I think everything said about her is fair or true. I care much less about her pregnant teen, the fact she is a mother of five, this stupid post about the wolves, and other petty things.
I DO care about the COMBINATION of having a great chance of her as acting president in regards to McCain’s age, her lack of national and international experience, the fact that she until recently never even traveled out of this country, her minimal education (in relation to the position she would hold), the fact that we don’t know enough about this woman – if McCain dies, she would be the president of the US and the majority of America up until a week ago never even heard her name before, is under investigation for abuse of power (may not be true – but we don’t know that for sure), clearly is uncomfortable discussing international topics and hasn’t given any interviews and most likely will not be giving any “substantial” interviews where she is really grilled – in other words I don’t think it’s likely she’ll be on next week’s “Meet the Press”. Again, it’s the total combination of all of these things, there are too many of them.
These are legitimate concerns Vince; how can you (and everyone else who seems to think this woman is the best thing since sliced bread) not be concerned about these things?
My beef with her is not personal, I am literally concerned about the safety of this country if she is placed in a position where she will be the President – which is not a far stretch, it’s not like McCain is 50 years old. If we have a 73 year old president, then our back up better be a pretty damn good one – she’s not and it has nothing to do with her personally. If McCain picked someone like Condi Rice or Kay Hutchinson; although I wouldn’t vote for them, don’t share their viewpoints on most things – I would at least not be concerned about the safety of our country if McCain dropped dead.
You know as well as I know that picking Palin was nothing but a political gimmick. McCain could have picked another woman, another person who could be an agent of change – there were many more qualified people (almost anybody is more qualified) from him to pick from.
McCain said before “he would rather lose an election and will a war” then “lose a war then win an election”. But with the selection of Palin; he made a very dangerous decision for this country.
I have a really hard time believing that there are so many Americans that are blinded by this reality. Or are so stubborn that they will not admit it.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
William -
If you want to be part of the deluded as well – go for it!
How many (potential) Presidents in recent history do you know that have a Bachelor’s degree (in journalism) and up until a year ago never stepped one foot outside the country?
And yeah..it’s such an odd thing to drop dead at 73!
I appreciate the concern about my sex life, but trust me I am more than satisfied in that area.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Dave Hayes -
Here we go again, thinking a woman’s desire to see another woman in the White House is merely based on the fact that she has a vagina.
How insulting. Typical alpha-male.
And you assume I am some radical liberal. Based on what – the fact that I have concern over the potential of a person in the Presidency that is so horribly under-qualified?
Anyway, I am much more a moderate liberal.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Danielle said:
“WOMEN: Listen, I want a woman in the White House as badly as you do. But we can do much better than this – let’s hold out for something decent.”
Danielle,
As a woman, I can tell you whole-heartedly that what I want in the Whitehouse is the BEST candidate be that man or woman. Someone who is wise, has more experience than a community organizer; someone who won’t try to turn the United States of America into a Socialist state; I want someone who knows what it really means to lay one’s life down for their country and who has learned from hard experiences that we DO need to be ready to take on those who threaten America, her allies, and freedom in general; Someone who has the sense to understand that we need to use our natural resources not keep them off-limits for the sake of environmentalists who don’t seem to understand that the food chain is there for a reason and that we are at the top of it. I happen to believe that John McCain is the only choice we have right now and that Sarah Palin will be a significant benefit to his platform. And if Sarah Palin was suddenly thrust into the role of President, I believe she would be able to handle it with much more integrity and strength that Obama ever would.
STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID DANIELLE!!!
September 6th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
I would rather see someone shoot game animals legally than see someone suck out live fetuses and discard them in the inferno any day. I used to work in an abortion clinic in Atlanta, back when I wasn’t thinking about how awful abortion really is, from a moral, religious and social ground. People who go to church and take communion, but don’t believe that life begins at conception are just kidding themselves. Send Joe Biden and the others to volunteer at an abortion clinic for a week, observing the process from beginning to end, and perhaps I can better accept their views.
News flash to Barack Obama: Having a baby is not being stuck with a mistake you made. Really. Perhaps if you watch how much love and joy Sara’s growing grandchild will bring to that family, you and Michelle can learn how to be a better parent than to teach your daughters that an unborn life is just a mistake that you can fix for them.
September 6th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Control of predator populations is essential to prevent the “boom and bust” of the prey populations which would cause wolves to die of starvation when they fall too low (not to mention the indigenous people who rely on those animals for food). Maybe we should ask the wolves whether they prefer being shot quickly and humanely from the air, or die lingering horrific deaths by starvation or a trapper’s leg traps? Also I’ll bet that if you check other western states with Democratic governors, you will also see predator control programs.
September 6th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Montana (with DEMOCRATIC governor Brian Schweitzer) set to allow wolf hunting:
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/06/11/news/state/64-quotas.txt
September 6th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
all of you people that think that preserving an ecosystem just means letting it go, are wrong. as stewards of the land we have responsibilities that sometimes include things like population control. If the wolf population gets too big, the population of the wolf’s prey gets smaller. This works in reverse as well. too much prey=less food for the prey to eat. too far either way means STARVATION. all of you peta morons need to read book once in a while and leave matters to the grown-ups. ask yourself the question…would you rather be shot dead instantly or starve to death? good question huh.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
and how in the world did you imbeciles turn this into an abortion debate?!
September 6th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
“Having a baby is not being stuck with a mistake you made.”
Okay, Pollyanna.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
I am a conservative who cringes when I see the Fetal Development You Tube video of little babies smiling in the womb and video of beautiful animals being killed.
Alan is my favorite liberal because he is rational and polite when explaining his viewpoint.
I am torn on this one because Palin has all the attributes of a leader and lets face it, after 5 kids with that body and the toughness without being a female-truck driver, she is attractive to normal American men.
September 6th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
re: Carol: “What is not fair about the aerial hunting?” Why don’t we put you out in an open field with no kind of defense against helicopters that hold people with guns and see whether you can figure out the answer to that question!
September 6th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Two points about this issue for anyone wanting all the facts. If you don’t fall into this group, please disregard. Aerial Hunting is the term animal rights activists use to confuse the issues and goal of this program. It is a form predator control and an attempt to boost game population. As it stands, less than 1 in four cow moose can be seen with a calf, fav food for bears and wolves. Alaska does a better job controlling game than any of the lower 48 and have the science to back it up.
Second point, why predator control? Many Alaskans, even urban anchorageites, depend upon game to suppliment their groceries. Many who live outside of Anchorage, such as Palins home town depend entirely upon Moose and caribou for their primary meat.
The wolf population in alaska is not just sustainable but robust so the political decision is, what side do you come down on? for or against people?
September 6th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Too bad there wasn’t video shown of what bands of wolves in the said control areas do when they run out of food because of overpopulation or bad weather.
It isn’t pretty–get real, Bob.
September 6th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
I would feel a lot better if the powers to be would allow Sarah Palin to answer some media questions. IF she is indeed as TOUGH as stated that shouldn’t be that difficult of a task. I believe the reason she is not being allowed to talk, except in scripted speeches, is the fear of the GOP that she is not ready. If she is not ready to take media questions, is she ready to be the leader of the free world, should (GOD forbit) the white haired DUDE expire. Not to be confused with the FIRST DUDE!!
September 6th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Why doesn’t B.Obama take any “hard” questions? Before interviews, Obama provides a list of subjects that cannot be discussed.
Who is this Obama, any way?
Gov. Palin talks about herself and accomplishments that she did in office, rather than just voting “present”.
Re: Obama: I guess it is not such a big deal to talk about the numbers of dead people he motivated to register to vote.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
“I would feel a lot better if the powers to be would allow Sarah Palin to answer some media questions.”
Well ever since Hillary and Barack were subjected to heavy questioning during one of the ABC Debates, the news media stopped asking hard questions.
Remember all you Progressives were trying to get Charles Gibson and George S fired for being tools?
It was so outrageous of them to ask the candidates uncomfortable questions.
So why are you surprised that everyone is being treated equally?
Are you sexist that only women should be asked hard questions and the males can just coast ito office.
That is what Hillary claimed is what happened to her.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
I am for neither party, I consider both parties to have extreme problems, considering all the ethical issues present in both parties. Possibly due to the nature of politics in general. EVERY canidate should have to answer the difficult questions!! I am stressing Sarah Palin at this time as she appeared on the scene,out of nowhere, a virtual unknown to the American people. I did not make the claim that she was TOUGH, that claim was made by her campaign. Therefore, if she is tough she should be able to answer SIMPLE media questions.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Bob the pornographer wrote “its amazing the hypocracy from the far right.
They call themselves “pro-life”, think they have the right to tell women what to do with their bodies.. They are so worried about fetuses, yet they have no problem getting in a low flying airplane shooting down beautiful wild animals and call it a sport. Oh the irony.”
Oh the hypocracy of the left. They wring their hands at the killing of a wolf of seal, yet don’t beat an eyelash at the killing of innocent unborn human life.
If you want to be consistent on abortion, end the argument that men should take responsibility for fathering children because they should think about the consequences prior to sex. Just as you believe a woman should be able to escape the consequences of her action for the price of an abortion, if a man does not want to be a father, let him just contribute the cost of an abortion to the woman and free himself of obligation.
That’s a much more consistent argument than you silly wolf/pro-life comparison.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Re hunting: It takes a real man to blast an eight ounce unarmed bird from 100 feet using a powerful gun, and not trip over his skirt in the process. And it takes a woman of unusual instincts to kill a defenseless moose from 200 yards, simply for the pleasure of watching it die. Should such a woman have a voice in sending young men and women to die?
September 6th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Sarah Palin does not kill just for pleasure. To even suggest that is not only yet another disgusting rumor the very scared left is putting out there because they know they have to do SOMETHING to besmirch their competition, but it also shows your own stupidity for falling for it and perpetuating the lies.
September 6th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Well, I am a social conservative. I do not believe in abortion. I value life. And I still think Governor Palin’s horific slaughtering of animals by aerial shooting is barbaric.
September 6th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Hey Creighton, do you eat beef? Turns out that Alaska doesn’t have a climate that is favorable for the raising of lots of cows for … um … slaughter. When is the last time you took responsibility for what you put in your mouth, by looking it in the eye as it dies? Believe me, people who kill their own meat respect those animals at least as much as someone who buys a slab of red stuff in a store.
September 6th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
The stupid biased press is mystified why there is a backlash against them this week. They sincerely don’t know why people are angry at them.
They’re so clueless, they look ridiculious.
And some of you folks think that being exposed to asisine questioning by a den of jackals is going to be meaningful?
We all know what you want.. we know you want your mouthpieces to continue their effort to destroy her
You have aleady accepted all the lies about her adn assumed the worst.. what is there to know?
Normally i would be against a press boycott. but the way they went after her and her daughter and her newborn , it crosses the line. The press needs to learn a lesson.
US Magazine is losing tens of thousands of its subscribers becasuse of the hit job it did on her.
The people in this country who you hate so much , they hate the press too.
So I think it’s a good idea if Sarah follows in the footsteps of John Edwards, B Hussien Obama,Chris Dodd, H Clinton, et al ,,and boycott the biased news media.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Mr. Creighton Burrell:
I think your notion of hunting is somewhat warped. First of all, few birds that are hunted as “game birds” weight only eight ounces. Second, hunting is not a battle, where the humans attack the animals and the animals defend themselves before developing an attack of their own. It is not that way at all in most situations (Cape Buffolo in Africa, once wounded may strategize to kill the hunters–and succeed).
Hunters use “powerful” guns to “take” game animals and game birds in order to quickly kill these creatures and ensure little, if any suffering.
In the wilds, wolves gang-up on the animals they hunt and grab them after an often long and terror-producing run. Once grabbed by several wolves, the wolves pull the live animal apart and begin eating it while parts of the animal may continue to be living. Nature at work.
I daresay, sir, that a moose is far from “defenseless”. If you have a moose in your yard and you elect to go and “shoo” it away, you will find out how offensive a moose can be.
Of course, Mr. Burrell, you obviously never kill animals or humans. You either “walk your walk” and are a vegan or you are happy to have other people kill animals for you. If you eat any meat, fish or fowl product or use any leather products, you are not being true to the morals you write about (above).
Anyone who knows Death firsthand, may have a better grasp for what happens and take it more seriously than someone who ponders Death in theory.
Sign me: American Nationalist (Army Airborne Ranger)
PS: The job of the President, with regard to the military, is not to send them to faraway places to die, but to send them to faraway places to protect American interests and kill the enemy, as needed.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
I was part of the group that pushed hard to stop the wolf aerial hunting. It is inhumane. Wolves are driven to exhaustion and then killed. I wouldn’t vote for Palin even if she was the last woman in the US. Behind that cheerful face lies a cold blooded and calculating woman with no experience to run this country.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
I=F/L
Intelligence equals Facts divided by Length of Post.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Vince P. –Chicago (Sept.6 10pm): Well said, Sir.
The commenter that wrote: “I hope Palin gets shot from a plane”, is quite ignorant of things, guns and cannons launch projectiles, sometimes large catapults, too. Airplanes do not launch projectiles.
To all: Have you ever noticed how violent the liberals seem to be? Typically, they want to kill the unborne but want to prevent the state from executing murderers, instead, they want to clear out the prisons (they are cruel places in which to live), releasing the convicts upon society.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Vince -
No, we do not want to destroy Sarah Palin – we simply want to know if she knows where and the hell Syria is located or if she ever heard of it!
You know, if you want to continue to insist that the attacks on Palin are so absolutely horrific compared to the attacks of others – you are free to live in your one-sided delusional world. The attacks on Palin don’t even begin to touch the attacks of others (on either party).
And since when and the hell did you become this compassionate, sensitive, emphatic, advocate for protecting the feelings of unwed teens, disabled children and their parents?
Hey, if it is sincere then that is great, but I’d bet my life if this EXACT situation was happening to a candidate you didn’t like – you would be one of the most obnoxious, insensitive people guilty of doing the attacking. That is the part that bothers me! If I’m wrong about that – I apologize.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Funny, but that same practice was used to kill goats on the Channel Islands in California a few years back. Goats were shot from helicopters. I think that order was given by Gov. Davis (d). Alan, please try to locate one childhood friend, collage friend, Law practice friend.Law student, Supporter from Obama’s days on the streets of Chicago. Any friend. I have worked on campaigns before. And they always have friends of candidates. They do this to show that the candidate is a regular guy. This worries me about Obama. There has been no one?
September 6th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Alan:
The only “friends” Obama has are radicals like Bill Ayers, Rashid Khaladi, Frank Marshall Davis (now dead, a well-known communist journalist poet that was Obama’s Mentor in high school), Keith Kakugawa (a mixed race high school friend, now a homeless man in Los Angeles, after prison release from his 3rd drug conviction in 2007). Obama’s other high school and college palls were booze, marijuana and cocaine and under achievement.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Karl – Many doves, which are commonly hunted, weigh much less than eight ounces, and are almost never armed. Do you really think that hunting is a battle between hunter and prey? And it is pure fantasy to think (and I use the word loosely) that animals hit by poorly placed hollow point bullets die quickly without pain. While it is true that animals are killed so that I may eat, at least I do not cause animals to suffer and die simply for my own amusement. Only a complete coward engages in a one-sided contest that she cannot possibly lose.
September 7th, 2008 at 12:00 am
“And since when and the hell did you become this compassionate, sensitive, emphatic, advocate for protecting the feelings of unwed teens, disabled children and their parents? ”
Excuse me? From the beginning. Remember how i was called a hater and a racist and an islamophobe because I detest a religion that has people slicing off a girls clit with broken glass and then forcing her to live in a bag all her life.. and a religion that insturcts it’s people to kill and says that’s good.
Remember how I was called a dispicable hater because i merely talked about how in Islam it’s ok to marry a 6 year old girl as long as you dont have sex with her until she’s 9?
I was roundly condemmed for that.
You Leftists dont care about anyone except yourselves You are the most hateful and self-centered people. You ignore what you dont understand, and what you don’t understand you try to silence.
Your wonderboy Obama has absolutely no grasp of history, has a public persona that is totally contradicted by his record, and has no paper trail and nothing but the most reprehensible associations.
And you’re going to moan about the native mother of 5 from alaska who 80% of the people seem to love?
My God I wonder.. what sort of pathology must have occured to so many of you to turn your brains into such wrecks.
It’s really laughable to see the things that conern you and the things you ignore. Like you’ll ignore MSM asking her for DNA so they can make sure Trig is her son and not her daughters.. but then you’re all in outrage because the campaign has told the press to take a hike.
Oh well, you’ll just have to try harder to smear a good woman. but know this.. the majority of the people in this country have realized what you are trying to do.. and all just for someone’s politics. Spit.
September 7th, 2008 at 12:32 am
you are a liberal bonehead
September 7th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Sarah Palin does not kill for peasure, yeah right. It’s a shame her low salary forces her to hunt to feed her family.
The tender picture of her with her young daughter, smiling over her bloody kill is quite chilling. This behavior is cause for concern and is pertinent to her possibble role as Vice-President or President. Her obvious callus disregard for life (unless it’s a fetus) should worry all of us and all other countries too; because she,by all indications, is a warrior.
So…between warrior McCain, Palin and Palin’s God, another war is more than likely. We best vote with a lot of thought and some of that good ole Republican fear.
September 7th, 2008 at 12:47 am
The “aerial hunting of wolves”, as you ignorantly term it, is meant to save endangered species like Caribou from rampant growth predators like wolves. What is it about a basic mathematical proposition like this that eludes idiots like you?
September 7th, 2008 at 1:17 am
“Someone going to tell us that he dosn’t HATE this country?”
You tell a nice story, and you’ve told a lot of nice stories, and you’ve got an answer for everything, and to tell the truth I think you weave most everything out of whole cloth, and I only wonder how many different pseudonyms you’re posting under.
How about this? Ayers doesn’t hate America. I called him on the phone and asked him.
September 7th, 2008 at 1:35 am
The flaw in your logic is that conservatives do not act like dishonorable Leftists.
I have never misrepresented who I am ,nor have I knowingly lied about anything.
But, as you say, I have made something up, then let me know what you think that is.
September 7th, 2008 at 2:21 am
Facts about Palin:
She supports unethical means of hunting, which is criticised by hunters themselves.
She does not care about protecting “Caribou”. She wants to drill in ANWR refuge, which is a calving ground of all caribou population. Drilling there would seriously decline caribou population and destroy one of our last wilderness.
I am a pro-life person, but from whatever I have learnt so far about this lady, there are only two categories of people who will support her. People who earn a lot of money and desperately want someone who can reduce their chance of tax cuts, or people who are completely out of touch about the rest of the world and are totally uninformed. I do not know which category LM or Carole belongs to.
Hunting is a sport, but chasing animals with airplanes and then shooting them at point blank range is called “Barbarism”.
By the way, I have read most of the articles on this issue, and this act of barbarism disgusts me!!
Women are respected because of their kind motherly nature and immense strength that helps to bring up a good family. Any woman who can have so much disregard for any kind of life shocks me. I come from an extremely conservative family and I have always been taught to kill another animal ONLY when they endanger human life or they are required to be killed for food, not for some sick game.
By the way, about endangered species, Palin opposed both Beluga whales and Polar Bears (endangered species) to legally be put on the endangered list of Alaska.
It is one thing to support someone for her real qualities and it is another thing, to choose to be blind and promote unethical merciless killing.
September 7th, 2008 at 2:22 am
Suddenly you’re against Barbarism?
Tell us.. which side do you support.. the Palestinians or the Israelis?
September 7th, 2008 at 2:30 am
If hunting of wolves is either advisable OR necessary, why SHOULDN’T it be done by aircraft?
If there is some good reason NOT to harvest animals, then the slaughter of them for ANY reason ought to be prohibited. But if it IS appropriate to kill them, why not shoot them from the air? For decades coyotes throughout the West and Southwest were killed with poison bait, even in environmentally sensitive Marin County CA
http://www.ptreyeslight.com/stories/jan30/sheep.html
They are STILL being killed with poison collars placed on animals they feed upon. Do you seriously think that is a better means of predator eradication than a high-power rifle?
September 7th, 2008 at 3:15 am
She does not care about protecting “Caribou”. She wants to drill in ANWR refuge, which is a calving ground of all caribou population. Drilling there would seriously decline caribou population and destroy one of our last wilderness.
What a crock!
Have you ever BEEN to Alaska? Have you ever SEEN the pipeline? The Caribou love the damn thing.
http://hundiejo.com/media/caribou_anwr.jpg
http://arcticportal.org/uploads/LR/at/LRatHGJfkRBnpi8PHPJW4A/caribou-alaska-pipeline.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_pP0hz4oU53I/SESdYfn4oQI/AAAAAAAABy4/xAk8XYssrAs/172_7225.JPG
September 7th, 2008 at 3:22 am
The story is incorrect. Aerial hunting of animals is prohibited in Alaska. This is not hunting, it’s a procedure the state dept of fish and game is allowed to use to curtail the excess wolf population in order to protect caribou, which is a subsistence food for Native Alaskans. Use of airplanes for killing wolves is only allowed for this particular program executed by state fish and game officials.
September 7th, 2008 at 3:58 am
I see a lot of post here questioning Sarah Palins’ experience, but I don’t see any Obama fans willing to debate experience for experience.
I also have see a couple of these Kos type charges made against Mrs Palin that have long ago been debunked.
Sarah Palin served on the City Council, was a two term Mayor (big town, small town, same executive decisions) chaired the commission that ran the oilfields and has been a Governor for 2 years with documented achievements. Her state borders Russia and the National Guard she commands is our first defense against a missle attack on duty 24/7 and her being the Commander in Chief of the National Guard warrants that she receive National Security briefings and Counter-Terrorism briefings. She doesn’t need to learn about National Security, she already knows about National Security.
What exactly has Obama ever done that makes him ready to be President (He’s running for President – She’s running for Vice-President). I can answer that. NOTHING. She is more qualified than Obama or Biden, either one, to be the President from day one.
September 7th, 2008 at 4:20 am
MICKEY: Thank you for defending Gov Palin in front of this group of ingrates.
Obama is running the first Marxist candidacy in the US.
September 7th, 2008 at 4:56 am
Alan,
You left this out:
Removing wolves is one part of ADF&G’s efforts to restore and increase selected moose and caribou populations which provide food for Alaskan families
I guess you don’t care about Alaskans and their families.
September 7th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Vince – THANKYOU for standing up for what is right! I agree with everything you have said. Truth offends most people.
Marxism + Socialism = Communism
September 7th, 2008 at 8:37 am
MANY HAVE REPORTED on the gaffe of Senator Obama in his reference to 57 states…
BUT THEY ARE WRONG… if you view the entire snippet of that speech (available on you tube), he said that in his campaign he has visited 57 states, but went on to state that he really wanted to go to Alaska and Hawaii, but that his staff has not allowed him to… So that makes 59 states.
NOW HE CLAIMS TO HAVE BEEN a Constitutional law professor, so one must assume that he got to the part that mentions that each state will have two Senators. And he’s been in the Senate for several years and doesn’t know there are 100 Senators? Ever watch a c-span vote tally for a Senate vote?… the total comes to 100. Very easy to divide 100 by 2 to come up with FIFTY!
NOW I KNOW that it has been reported that he has missed about 85% of all votes in the Senate since he has been a U.S. Senator (on the campaign trail), but he was there for some and should have noticed that the total of votes and absents on any issue is 100.
COLUMBIA AND HARVARD should both be embarrased to discover that they have helped produce such a political scholar and constitutional lawyer that truly has no clue to how many states are in the United States. Asked my youngest, third grade, how many states there were, and she promptly said 50 and gave me a look like I was some kind of idiot, and then said ‘Oh, is this a joke?’
NOW, TO SENATOR OBAMA, I DON’T CARE if you wear a flag pin or not. But you COULD see one on someone else and count the stars.
AND THE NEXT TIME you are at a public rally, and the Pledge of Allegiance is being said by all – to a flag that represents sacrifice of Americans for all peoples for freedom and liberty – try this: While others have their hands over their hearts, and you have your hands cupped to protect your ‘manhood’ from those awful ultraviolet rays, try glancing at the flag and see if you can count to 50.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Alan,
You were perfectly willing to metaphorically shoot at a woman from your TV helicopter….about her Downs Syndrome baby…
Very snarky post.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:48 am
McCain is totally pro-life. But when an innocent fetus results from rape or incest, McCain says “kill it.”
September 7th, 2008 at 10:06 am
IMHO -
If the McCain family was so concerned about the children in America, then why was there no mention of helping some children in the poverty stricken area of the Appalachian Mountains? I did not hear one mention of helping children in America at all during the bio feature of Cindy McCain at the Repub convention. As far as I am concerned – charity begins at home.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:21 am
[...] Palin’s Support Of Aerial Hunting By Alan Morse invalidated the aerial killing of wolves in several small areas of the state while issuing a ruling upholding the predator control program. The suit was filed by Friends of Animals, Defenders of Wildlife and the Alaska Wildlife … Alan Colmes’ Liberaland – http://www.alan.com [...]
September 7th, 2008 at 10:33 am
People need to realize that there are no natural predators of wolves or coyotes the only thing that controls there population is man .I saw on the news were a wolf had entered a town and the people were afraid for there kids safety and they should have been .So they need to be control by man or republicans.let the Dem’s worry about there kids
September 7th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Anita
They don’t give a sh!t about needy children – that’s why.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:35 am
You’re right Danielle. They appear to be more important and dignified if they are running all over the world helping people. Believe me, I believe in helping people but, as I said charity begins at home. The Repubs have tried to raise a ruckus between the people of WV, PA and that area of the country by taking a statement that Obama made out of context. But when the Repubs had their turn to parade across America, I heard nothing about helping the poor folks in those poverty stricken towns throughout those states. What about the poverty in Seneca, SC? A friend of mine recently drove through that area and they said they could not believe this is happening in America.
The only time I hear about that area getting some attention is when country music stars take a train each year at Christmas to distribute Christmas gifts.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Mr. Burrell,
You are correct about doves, some weigh about 6 ounces. However, looks like some doves are about your size, too.
Whether a hollow point, soft point or solid bullet is used for shooting creatures, a wound is a wound. Enough “power” is needed and accurate shot placement, for the hunter who is striving for a quick kill.
As you know, members of mankind have hunted since the beginning, whether for subsistance or for seeking a higher quality of food than can be had from the market (no growth hormones or other drugs in wild meat). Just because a person enjoys hunting for food on the table, does not make that activity evil.
By the way, the PETA-people provide no money for the support of game herds for habitat or food. Only hunters and the industry that supports hunting provide money for animal support, through the taxes they pay.
With regard to the one-sided contest between food and man: How much of a contest is it for the people who kill your chickens, pork or beef? Do you know the process those animals go through? Are those food animals having a good time?
Whether you kill your own food or someone else kills it for you, you, sir (and I use this word quite liberally), have blood on your hands, too.
Aerial gunning for wolves (an apex predator) is the kindest way of dealing with overpopulation of that animal in the food chain. The use of poison to kill the wolves will kill all creatures that feed on the dead wolves’ carcasses. Death by poison is much slower and far more painful than a load or two of buckshot at 50 yards.
September 7th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Yeah, Indiana has population control for deer. Every year we have a controlled hunt. We blast the crap out of those poor deer, but they sure do taste good. Mmm mmm.
It is for the good of the species you moron. It is to curtail disease.
September 7th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
[...] Palin’s Support Of Aerial Hunting [...]
September 7th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
They only kill the wolves so there can be more moose and caribou for all hunters. Studies have shown that the majority of the hunters in these areas are either non resident or urban residents. So much for needing this for subsistence of the native people. The Alaskans know this and have voted the practice down twice. Governor Palin spent 400,000 dollars to try and convince the Alaskan people to accept this practice and found a loop hole to let aerial hunting happen. Aerial hunting isn’t hunting, real hunters despise it. It is just killing.
September 7th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Palin – two words: TRAILER TRASH
September 7th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Jackwolf:
You are correct, “aerial hunting” is just killing. It is a more efficient form of reducing the wolf population in those isolated areas.
It should also be noted that “game animals” are an asset to the State of Alaska and are treated that way. Much money is paid by sport hunters for the privilage of hunting in Alaska.
“Sport” hunting is hunting in a “fair chase” model where the hunters are on the ground. Sport hunters PAY the State of Alaska for the privilage to hunt whatever species of animal is to be hunted. ADC hunters are PAID by the State of Alaska to kill a certain number of animals in a certain area.
Sport hunters do not like the practice of Aerial ADC work because the wolves become skittish and are harder to hunt.
September 7th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
The Alaska Constitution clearly states that the fish and game of the State of Alaska belong to the people of the State of Alaska and must/shall be managed for maximum sustained yield.
Wolves, bears and golden eagles heavily predate caribou calves on the calving grounds every spring. Hunters are limited to the number of caribou that can be taken each year. There is no such limit on the wolves, bears and golden eagles.
Aerial shooting of wolves is far more difficult and dangerous than just about any of the folks on this post can imagine, but it is essential if healthy herds are to be maintained.
You manage the fish and game in the states where you live and we will manage ours in Alaska.If you want to watch animals, GREAT! If I want to eat them, GREAT!
Oh, the total area to be drilled in ANWR is an area that is slightly over 3 sections of land. This would equate to a piece of land that is 1 mile wide and 3 miles long. The remaining area in ANWR equates to a strip of land 1 mile wide and would more than circumnavigate the earth at the equator. Drill it.
September 7th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
MN do a litle more research. Not everybody in Alaska agrees with you, including most experts.
September 7th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Alan this is a little pathetic. She offered an incentive program to learn about wolves. Anyone involved in animal research realizes that information dealing with animals often must come from the dead animals themselves. As long as hunters kill wolves in specifically designated areas, why can’t they get an incentive for bringing them in and furthering science?
Furthermore you automatically designate ariel hunting as a “horrible practice” without any kind of analysis of reasoning why. Why is aerial hunting beyond the pale? I’d say Palin probably knows a lot more about hunting in general and aerial huntng specifically than you do. Further more the state courts didn’t rule against the incentive or the practice itself, but rather in a few certain areas.
September 7th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
palin has links to alaskan separatists.
September 7th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Alan, you need to just be replaced with Kirsten. At least she is fair and balanced.
Stop trying to create controversy with you half truths. You’d be better suited employed by Obama.
September 7th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
KB,
Alan is supposed to have an opinion, it is what he is paid for. Do you think Sean is ‘fair and balanced’?
September 7th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
This is aerial control of wolves in specific areas where they reduce to population of moose and caribou below the population that the habitat can support.
The constitution of Alaska mandates that the government maintain the resources at the highest sustainable yield. Without changing the constitution, she is mandated to use the tools she has to manage to resource.
Moose and Caribou are an important resource in Alaska. This is not hunting, it is animal control. I’m sure even the liberals control the animals when they enter their homes. But if the animal is soft and furry it suddenly can’t be controlled. Actually, I think mice are soft and furry too.
September 7th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
I am a strong believer in pro-choice. The baby should choose if it should be killed. Once it reaches a legal age of 18, it can then chose whether his/her mother can continue with the murder.
Pete
September 7th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Colmes is even more off the wall than I realized from the H&C show. Aerial hunting is common in our big states.
We hunt and exterminate whatever is a pest in our region.
Unfortunately if the same loons that blocked the wolf
hunt in Ak. keep introducing Wolves down here in the lower 48 we will have to do it here too….Sam
September 7th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Sam ,
What is wrong with wolves? What other animals do you want eliminated from their original habitats? Nature has long been managed to have animal population control without aerial hunting.
September 7th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Who cares about the wolf population or even hunting. What we do care about is that your belief about abortion is based on your religion. And in this country we have separation of church and state. If you think having the choice to have an abortion is wrong, then don’t do it. But what’s great about our country is that your religious beliefs are not allowed to be forced upon others through the public government. The sheer fact that this issue keeps determining our elections shows how the “culture warriors” keep our country in a constant state of distraction from the issues that actually affect our daily lives.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Fact: Sarah Palin is a Dominionist.
** Right before McCain selected Palin, she was vetted for McCain at a meeting of the secretive Council for National Policy, whose members include such leading Dominionists as Rev. James Dobson of Focus on the Family, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, and Tim LeHaye
Fact: Dominionists want to do away with the constitution and have the USA governed by biblical law.
Enough said.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Alan,
You must continue to be strong and speak the truth. I know Hannity constantly interrupts you (he has no manners at all). Since MSNBC is canning Olbermann and even Matthews from anchoring the commentary on the debates, those of us with liberal views (and we’re entitled to them), are desperate for something that leans a little bit our way. Contrary to the historical legend of the liberal media bias, what seems to hold sway nowadays is Fox being conservative (you’re practically the only liberal and they make you fight Hannity for your turn on the mike!). CNN issometimes) balanced, but it depends on whose show it is, and sometimes they can’t stop the tabloid reporting and stick to the issues! We all really deserve news reporting that actually reports news and not opinions. Or if opinions are reported, truly equal time should be given to both sides. Both sides should be able to point out logical fallacies being engaged in by the other side. Anyway. Alan, WE NEED YOU! Be strong!
September 8th, 2008 at 2:11 am
Those who believe there is not scientific evidence to prove that a fetus is “a life” should check out http://www.abort73.com Just check it out and see how the science stacks up.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:23 am
Those who don’t understand, the use of aerial hunting is a tool to control predators. There are areas were over populations of wolves and bears will cause decreases in moose and caribou which some alaskans depend on for substance. Thus most Alaskans support the use of this tool, in fact during the Aug 26 primary Alaskans overwhelmingly voted against a proposition that would’ve banned aerial hunting. Being a true Alaskan and hunter Sarah understands this issue very well. Go Sarah. Go Alaska.
September 8th, 2008 at 8:14 am
Every state has a department that manages its wildlife. Yes, there are many who like to hunt for sport and for food . If wolves are threatening the game population, it’s under the state’s purview to cull the excess in order to keep the hunting population in balance – just like there’s a hunting season for deer here in the midwest. No governor is going to assume high costs of helicopter flights for aerial killing without cost justification. You might not like hunting, others do and they live in this country, too. YOu’ll have to wait for the election of Obama to deprive hunters of their rights. Alan Colmes never misses a chance to add fuel to a rumor as long as the object of the rumor is a conservative.
September 8th, 2008 at 8:18 am
BB,
Which rumor are you referring to in this case?
September 8th, 2008 at 8:20 am
p.s. yes, go Sarah!!!! Give em common sense hell Sarah!! (ha)
September 8th, 2008 at 8:21 am
p.s. Stay in Alaska Sarah!!!! Don’t abandon the caribou for national politics, the moose and caribou need your help from all those nasty wolves!!
September 8th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Hey Blake,if Sarah Palin is a dominionist, cite your source so we can all see where you’re getting your information because we want to research it, too and not just take your hysterical little post for fact. The Secretive Council for National Policy selected her? Unbelievable. Cite your source. Otherwise I think you’re making stuff up for FEAR MONGERING purposes!!!!!
September 8th, 2008 at 8:27 am
The rumor/perception that Palin has wolves killed just for the laughs of it. People see this and think oh how mean. but There’s a policy behind it,not just cause she’s mean. You don’t have to like the policy, but it’s not done for grins.
September 8th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Wow, I wasn’t sure at first but after reading many of her posts it seems Carol could logically be culled from the human herd. Her and many others in here unequivocally announcing animals have no basic rights, only humans do, is beyond the pale. Their moral high ground starts in a gorge. Hunting anything from a plane with a high powered rifle is sick. Killing animals needlessly for no other reason that you can is sick. Promoting the needless killing for no other reason than it generates service dollars in the local economy is sick. Coming in here to compare abortions to aerial hunting is sick. Get some help people and leave the damn wolves alone…
September 8th, 2008 at 8:37 am
UM CARA, But in all honesty, I really don’t know if Alan throws fuel on rumors on this site and it’s something I should not have written at this time as I do not know. I might know in the future, but I do not know now and I want to and should be fair.
September 8th, 2008 at 8:57 am
And for the person who wrote sarah Palin is ‘trailer trash’ (oh, we’ve NEVER HEARD THAT ONE- how unique) . There are many good and kind and hard working people who just don’t have a lot of money and who do live in trailers. Who cares as long as they are good people.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:02 am
She’s for aerial hunting and any other kind of hunting that puts incoming service dollars in the hands of those that own and run the hunting camps. Follow the money folks. How many other states in the country allow their “predatory” animal population to be culled via plane? The use of the word predator is no mistake, it conjures up fear. Hence, helps a sane but ignorant person rationalize away taking a political stand on the matter. It isn’t hunting, it’s assassination..
September 8th, 2008 at 9:07 am
I find the aerial hunting of any wildlife cruel and how it is called “sport” is truly beyond my comprehension. I am thankful that people are finding out Palin’s position on this issue. It is relevant and the fact that she approved the use of $400,000.00 of state money (tax money) to promote her cause is also relevant. One of my favorite quotes about animals:
“We need another and a wiser and perhaps a more mystical concept of animals. Remote from universal nature, and living by complicated artifice, man in civilization surveys the creature through the glass of his knowledge and sees thereby a feather magnified and the whole image in distortion. We patronize them for their incompleteness, for their tragic fate of having taken form so far below ourselves. And therein we err, and greatly err. For the animal shall not be measured by man. In a world older and more complete than ours they move finished and complete, gifted with extensions of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear. They are not brethren, they are not underlings; they are other nations caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendour and travail of the earth.”
Henry Beston
For all of you that have turned a conversation about aerial hunting to one about abortion…what??? I certainly don’t see what one has to do with the other. Usually when one feels they cannot intelligently argue a point, they change the subject.
As for any responses to my post I would appreciate it if you could manage to argue the subject in lieu of an ad hominem attack.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Yes, there is deer hunting here in the Midwest. And if it’s strictly bow-hunting, I don’t have much of a problem with it– Bow-hunting requires a lot more skill and patience, ensuring that the strongest and smartest deer survive, and the weak and dumb are culled from the herd (something conservatives always seem to advocate for human society, too).
In true, backaland, gun-nut “conservation,” hunters where I come from load up their guns and kill the biggest deer they can find, as the deer, oh, just happen to “feed” on any of the corn or salt that happens to appear near the tree stand or blind.
Feeding and salting, of course, are not kosher, but somehow the salt-blocks and feed corn magically appear in the aisles of Wal-Mart right AT hunting season.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Lesa,
In case you haven’t figured it out yet, all discussions lead to abortion on this blog.
And pleading for actual responses rather than ad hominem attacks? Tsk tsk tsk… ahhh Lesa… I remember when I was so naive. (In all seriousness there are just a few people on both sides that do most of the nasty name calling, I hope Alan moves to a forum format some day that will make it easier to just skip those posts/filter the noise)
September 8th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Alan
The koolaid is flowing today. The Alaskans can manage the wildlife in a way that suits them. Thank God John Kerry can’t shoot straight.
September 8th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Read Lesa Nelson post after plowing through all that precedes. Read the words of Henry Beston. Please put the rants away, take a breath and think about it. Not as part of the McCain or Obama campaign but as a human being. Hunters might give it a glance as they head out for sport…on foot.
PS.I am that Independent woman both sides talk to. I respond to reason and intelligent thoughtfulness.
September 8th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Scott (Sept 8 9:07am):
Arizona uses aerial Animal Damage Control “technicians” to kill coyotes. There are so many coyotes in this state that the regular hunters can shoot as many as posible, with an open season all year.
It is not uncommon to hear true stories of coyotes pulling someone’s pet dog apart, while it is on a leash on a walk with the dog’s owners.
Coyotes have destroyed the prong-horned antelope population in much of this state. The young are eaten during the birthing process and the mother antelope is also eaten alive.
The same thing takes place with the deer population.
If you have any cleaver ideas that would work better than aerial gunning for coyotes in Arizona, I would like to know. Maybe I can get your ideas seen by the Governer.
Lesa Nelson:
Aerial gunning (ADC work) for predators is not sport hunting and is not meant to be sport hunting. Those who try to equate aerial ADC work to sport hunting have no clue about hunting laws and should do some reading before spewwing stupid-sounding torrents of ignorant venom. “Sport” hunting from aircraft is illegal.
Ms Nelson, I am sure you are caring and educated and, if you do some reading on the subject (above), you will find your truth.
September 8th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Please mention aerial hunting on your show to let people decide for themselves if this is the person they want in the oval office..pat
September 8th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
I haven’t read through all the posts, so forgive me if someone has already said this! Carol, if a pregnant woman gets killed the murderer is charged with 2 murders because Republicans initiated the Lacy Peterson bill. I wonder why they would do that? Maybe to set precedent to over turn Roe v Wade. So you can’t really use that as an argument or “proof” that an unborn fetus is life.
I would like to say that killing an animal is not the same as killing a person. I mean come on people kill animals everyday to make hamburgers and chicken nuggets, and if you have ever watched slaughter house videos, they are killed in a cruel manner. That being said, I still find aerial hunting stupid. It’s cruel, a waste of gas, and unnecessary pollution to the air. They don’t eat wolves. I don’t know how it even qualifies as a sport.
And moving to my next point, define a fetus however you please, abortions are a fact of life. Unless you are willing to adopt and pay for all the unwanted children of the world maybe you should just mind your own business and surround yourself with people of your same moral standing. I don’t think abortion is a good thing, moral thing, or right thing. But lucky me I was raised in a house where I could turn to my parents for help- emotionally and fiscally. Not everyone is given that opportunity. And the people who are yelling “fetus killers” are the same ones saying we don’t want to pay for social programs and feed other people’s kids. Funny how that works!
Lastly, I can’t stand Sarah Palin. She doesn’t care about the environment, preservation, women’s rights (and I’m not just talking about abortion), and she obviously doesn’t care about animals. She mocked the work of community organizers (may I point out that MLK Jr, Susan B Anthony, and Jesus were all community organizers). She’s put no emphasis on her children getting a college education, and will not likely do anything for helping the rest of the United States get a college education. She seems to be having a hard time managing her personal life, let alone a country. I don’t know if anyone has children, but it’s hard enough to work and get home to take the dog out, let alone run a country with 5 children, 1 of which is handicap, and a grandchild on the way.
I’m just saying…..
September 8th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
mccain has aborted 600,000 people in iraq over a lie.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Karl,
Thank you for your post. You are right that the 2007-2008 Alaska Bear and Wolf Control Supplement does make a point of declaring that shooting animals from aircraft is not hunting and therefore not a sport. However, if one wants to engage in this activity they are required to have a Hunting License prior to applying for a permit. It is indeed called predator management by the state of Alaska. Most states employ biologists or game wardens to manage wildlife, but the state of Alaska has opened this program up to volunteers (the general public). Who do you think is applying to be pilot/gunner teams? I think it is the same people who enjoy hunting as a sport. My reasoning…they are not eating what they kill; they are chasing wolves with planes, shooting them and they have to be getting something out of it. If they aren’t enjoying it why are they wasting bullets and fuel? I see the print, I understand the words, but I do not understand the pleasure one gets from chasing an animal with a plane and shooting it. Do you know that on the average a wolf pack does NOT get its prey 84-87 times out of 100 tries? In my opinion, these animals work hard to live and they deserve better from us. Oh, and I have seen an interview with Palin where she had two wolf skins hanging on the wall behind her desk.
As for the antelope/coyote problem. It is kind of funny that this came up since the coyote overpopulation you talked about is a result of the coyote not having any predators. In Arizona one of those predators would be the wolf, (wolves do not like coyotes and will kill them) but unfortunately the census report I read noted 29 wolves in your entire state. (fws.gov website). I could not find anything specifically on pronghorn in AZ, but I did find something from TX which named a few things that are leading to a declining number of antelope: fencing (they do not know they can jump) and that prohibits their migration into areas that are more conducive for fawning (forage and cover) and cars (more likely to be hit because of larger herd size). Specifically regarding coyotes, the report goes on to say that fences are a problem. The coyotes will run the herd toward a fence and attack them while they are negotiating a corner or trying to go under the fence. The other problem noted was a high mortality rate of fawns in areas where there is no shrub/brush cover that is a result of over-grazing by livestock. It seems to me that most of these problems are man made and I don’t know why the answer is shooting coyotes instead of managing resources. Just so you know, I have raised angora goats, wool sheep, and horses in areas where coyotes could be a problem… we did not poison or shoot coyotes, mountain lions or bear. We used llamas and Great Pyrenees Dogs to protect our animals while they were out grazing and we brought the herd in to a fenced in smaller area closer to the house (with a barn but they were not closed up in the barn). We also had a baby monitor plugged in with the button pushed down so we would hear any “commotion” at night. Yes, this is more labor intensive and expensive but we do not believe the only way to live in nature is to kill everything in it that maybe/could potentially affect our bottom line.
Coyotes are usually very timid and attacking a dog on a leash may be an urban legend; but if true, I can see having to deal with that animal, but killing every coyote you can find… I just don’t agree.
Lesa
September 9th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Lesa,
Thank you for your posting.
You are very correct about coyotes in Arizona, in that the extermination of wolves (by man) caused the unlimited population of other predators. When cattle were introduced to Arizona, the wolves selected the cows and calves for food, instead of deer, antelope and elk(cows are easier to catch). Wolves were the natural predators of coyotes, not to eat but to compete with for food (coyotes are weaker than wolves).
Coyote poisoning programs used to be popular but have been outlawed (for now), due to the damage to any animals that dine on the poisoned carcasses.
We have a great many cougars in Arizona but they are mostly “managed” with relocation, when possible. Popular hiking areas in the mountains just north of Tucson are often visited by mountain lions (cougars). There have been situations where mountain lions are seen stalking hikers during the daytime. Arizona is still a wild place.
In Arizona, ADC hunters must be licensed, like any other hunter (as in Alaska).
I am most impressed by your industry and how you protect your critters and care for them. Your working dogs must be wonderful to watch. I am not acquainted with using llamas for protecting a flock. Makes sense, they are tall and can see very well and I bet they have a strong kick. I find it hard to imagine a single or group of coyotes getting through your Great Pyrenees Dogs and llamas, well done. Those GPD’s are very fine and smart dogs.
Regarding coyotes in the suburbs: a couple of years ago, in the Phoenix Metropolitan Area (east valley), a man was watching television in his living room and heard the sound of his baby (I think about 8 mos old) crying change in tempo. The man turned around in time to see his child being carried out of the house by a female coyote (the front door was open to promote ventilation). The man yelled and the child was dropped (mostly unharmed). The government found the nearby coyote litter and destroyed the mother and put the young in a zoo program. The baby-crying sounds had attracted the female coyote, just like the sounds of rabbit distress.
The above situation occurred because of Man’s building in the desert that is the home of the wild things. The animals cannot help themselves, to them, their home range is still their home range, even after a few houses are built there.
About all we can do is strive to be responsible in our stewardship of our natural assets.
Thank you again, Lesa, for your educational and kind message.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Lesa,
The antelope area hit hardest by coyotes is Anderson Mesa. I had forgotten the name until just now.
Best wishes,
Karl in Phoenix
September 9th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
I truly think Alan should give due consideration to renaming this site: Looneyland, La-La Land, AADD Land and Libtard Land come immediately to mind.
LESA: You seem sane. What are you doing here? I don’t agree with most of your comments but appreciate the civility. I also use Great Pyrenees for livestock protection as well as Rottweilers for cattle work. As for keeping this on track and on point, you’d have better luck herding cats.
TO ALL:
Until you have lived in Alaska and experienced our last frontier first hand, you know not of what you speak. This is not cruelty or bloodthirst. It is managing a problem in the most humane and efficient way possible. If your house became infested with Black Widow and Brown Recluse spiders, rats and mice, skunks or other creepy crawly stinky critters you face a decision: Accomodate, Annihilate or Relocate. Or you could make them all a nice Arugula Salad, have a glass of Merlot and determine what you did to make them want to eat you.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:08 am
Due to the rising frequency of human-bear encounters, the Alaska Wildlife Department is advising hikers, hunters, fishermen, and any persons that use the out-of-doors in a recreational or work related function to take extra precautions while in the field.
We advise the outdoorsmen to wear noisy little bells on clothing so as to give advanced warning to any bears that might be close by so you don’t take them by surprise.
We also advise anyone using the out-of-doors to carry “Pepper Spray” with him or her in case of an encounter with a bear.
Outdoorsmen should also be able on the watch for fresh bear activity, and be able to tell the difference between Black Bear scat and Grizzly Bear scat . Black Bear scat is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly Bear scat has bells in it, and smells like pepper.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Know why Alaskans always file the front sight off their .44 Magnum handguns?
So they don’t cut their lip when they shove the barrel in their mouth when a Kodiak Bear charges them.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:14 am
Say goodnight, Richard….
September 10th, 2008 at 1:36 am
Goodnight Richard
September 10th, 2008 at 1:49 am
Karl,
Thank you for your thoughtful posts!
Daniel,
I have to disagree that unless I have lived in Alaska I don’t know what I am talking about. I think approximately 74,000 residents of Alaska agree with me and voted to end aerial hunting. Where you and I differ is: to use your words, “…managing a problem in the most humane and efficient way possible”. I agree, it is humane and efficient for the hunters; they don’t even have to get out of the plane! But, chasing any animal with a plane and shooting it is not humane. Chasing an animal to exhaustion and then getting out of a plane and shooting it is not humane. I think your comparison of wolves to a house infested with “Black Widow, Brown Recluse spiders, rats, mice, and other creepy crawly stinky critters” is a gross oversimplification and off target. Wolves are not being shot because they are infesting people’s homes or because they are a physical threat. When was the last time a human was fatally attacked by a wolf in Alaska? I have read some of the reports written by biologists, scientists, and the National Research Council (who was asked by the state of Alaska to review their predator management programs) The response from the Council; ” … if predator control is judged to be an appropriate way to meet a significant demand for prey, managers should explore a series of options for reaching their goals, …experimenting with non-lethal methods, like diversionary feeding, sterilization, and relocation…” Aerial hunting was not a last line of defense for Alaska it is what Palin chose to stay with, fought to keep, (and used state money to fight for) instead of trying humane methods first.
No one has to agree with me about aerial hunting, but I am getting fed up with people who say that what a person does (if they happen to agree with them) should not be reported and that the media is picking on him or her. Knowledge is power.
The bottom line is that after 8 years of constantly being on the defensive against politicians who have no regard for wildlife, again I say Palin’s record on aerial hunting of wolves/bears as well as her stance on polar bears and the endangered species list is relevant to this election.
And finally if anyone is going to go back to “it is not hunting, it is predator control” what matters is what something is, not what it is called.
Lesa
September 10th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Lesa…Many thanks for a well thought out and very, very well written response. Your civility is greatly appreciated. We agree to disagree. You make some excellent points in your response that succeed in giving me pause for thought and consideration. I will light my pipe, re-read your post and return your kindness.
Just so everyone knows, I am the world’s biggest softy when it comes to critters. I have a menagerie of dogs, cats, goats, horses, chickens, ducks and turtles. All rescued. There is no hunting on our property….and the wildlife around here have put the word out on their internet about that, much to the chagrin of the local hunters. Our cats play with the wild turkeys, and fight over the kibble on the back deck…when the racoons and possums leave any leftovers.
I do protect my furry babies from predators, and I do use every weapon at my disposal to do so. Cruelty to animals, a la Michael Vick, makes my blood boil. I give obscene amounts of money to two charities: St. Jude’s Children’s Hospital and the ASPCA. No others.
Lesa, you are a wonderful person. Thank you very much.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
See Wolves attack dogs, 2007 youtube clip from local Alaskan news station, 3 women and there dogs surrounded by seven wolves while jogging on highly traveled road.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPW_k0XTEto
September 13th, 2008 at 9:14 am
I have to admit that watching videos of this practice turns my stomach, but there would surely be consequences to many animal species, including wolves and humans, if effective wildlife management practices were banned. Let us not forget what happened in this country when horse slaughter was banned. The resulting surplus of horses has resulted in plummeting horse values, and horses being abandoned and neglected in record numbers. Now, perfectly healthy and well trained horses are selling at auction for less than $200, and some are being purchased by kill buyers for shipment to Mexico where there are no industry controls, and the barbaric cruelty being employed is beyond this writer’s imagination. I would have to say that there has never been a worse time to be a horse in this country. These are the unintended consequences of well meaning animal activists that failed to look at the big picture.
Before anyone starts sending hate mail, please hear me out. Wolves and bears are top line predators, meaning that there are no natural predators to control their numbers. If you love animals, you must think about the consequences to other animal species if they are allowed to overpopulate in any given area. In a worst case scenario, disaster ensues for the overpopulated predator species as well. When their natural food sources become scarce, they will savage and prey on not only each other, but humans and domestic animals as well.
Aerial management may seen unfair and barbaric, but consider the alternative that was used before airplanes were available. They were poisoned with strychnine baits. Poisoning likely affected non targeted species as well – such as eagles.
Alaska has attempted other management methods in the past. See: http://www.wc.adfg.state.ak.us/management/control/predator_management.pdf
Now let us discuss the impact of these predator species on humans. There seems to be a misconception that managing the population of these species is merely an attempt to preserve moose and caribou for sport hunting. On the contrary, the very lives and existence of approximately 16% of Alaska’s populaton is at stake. These are the native tribes that have depended on wild game as their main source of sustenance for thousands of years. It’s not like they can become vegetarians in these regions. I might argue that the continued existence of rural native Alaskan people is at far greater risk than the wildlife.
Taken from http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=5791&page=36 :
“The first humans in the Western Hemisphere are believed to have come from Asia across the Beringian land bridge into Alaska 12,000-15,000 years ago.” It is their home, too. For those that argue that the problem is simply too many humans in Alaska rather than too many wolves and bears, let me point out that there are approximately 635,000 residents or about 1.1 persons per square mile – in an area that is twice the size of Texas and one fifth the size of the lower 48 states. In the lower 48, there are approximately 79 people per square mile. Plenty of elbow room! The state’s population ranks 47th in the nation. “Human activities have had less effect on the ecosystems of Alaska than elsewhere in the United States. Conversion of land to agricultural use has been minimal, as is the extent of land alteration through mining and petroleum development.”
My conclusion: Perhaps you don’t care about the tribes of people who are the last remaining ancestors of the “First Americans”. Do you not care about all of the other animal species at stake when bears and wolves overpopulate? Is there no concern for livestock, dogs, cats, and human children that are attacked when these predators are allowed to diminish too much wild game in a given area? And finally, have you no concern for the affect on the wolves, themselves, when they overpopulate? Aside from them preying on each other when food sources become scarce, it leads to a natural progression of disease and starvation among them.
Posted by Bronco in the Daily Interlake: “The waxing and waning of species populations are regulated by nature and she seems heartless and cruel in her choices at times. Forget romantic notions of her preserving only the animals we hold dear and erasing the invasive and ugly ones. Fish and game management agencies throughout the country have been employing well thought out agendas that have led to game populations that exceed those before we set foot here hundreds of years ago. Those agencies have people in them who are concerned for our wildlife, not butchers who rejoice in their deaths. It’s unfortunate for the wolves, I agree. They are beautiful, intelligent, animals that mate for life and have strong family values. But left to propagate unattended they will follow the course of all species who find their numbers swelled to overpopulation. Mother nature introduces disease and starvation.”
Before we jump on the bandwagon and condemn the people of Alaska while sitting at computers in our urban homes, let us educate ourselves about the issues first.
September 13th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Its amazing the hypocracy from the left.
They call themselves “pro-choice”, think they have the right to tell hunters not to hunt/own guns, yet they have no problem telling women it’s okay to murder innocent fetuses. Oh the irony.
If you are going to call yourself pro-choice, let’s at least be consistent.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
More Lies from Obama and his left wing press buddies.
The other half of the story.
The caribou herd has declined from an estimated 4,100 animals to only 600 in the past six years, in large part because wolves are preying heavily on newborn calves. Last year only one percent of new born calves survived. Wolves have increased at an alarming rate. There is an estimated 7500 to 11000 predator wolves preying on the herd. The dwindling herds have caused severe hardships on many natives and Alaskan families that depend on caribou to see them through the winter.
As per usual Obama’s left wing press buddies have reported half the story, the half that negatively impacts Sarah Palin. They will stop at nothing to destroy her
September 23rd, 2008 at 8:49 pm
palin sucks. that pig with lipstick is a bad one. palin is not pro choice she is full of moose crap. she has agents who kills and clubs pregnant wolves and bears shoots the wolf pups in the head at point blank range. killing pregnant wolf moms and bears is no different then killing a human baby. sorry but palin needs to be stopped. and the moose populations are declining because of climate change. not because of wolves they are not the main cause of moose decline. don’t forget poachers in Alaska and out of control killing of moose by small dicked sportsman and small breasted women. yes hunters make me sick. especially trophy hunting. what a blood sprot.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:56 am