Community Organizing: Not For The Elites
We’ve already given you line item what Barack Obama has accomplished, including his years as a community organizer. On “This Week” he answered those who would demean this worthy occupation.
Obama said he “worked with churches, who were dealing with steel plants that had closed in their neighborhoods, to set up job training programs for the unemployed and after-school programs for youth, and to try to deal with asbestos in homes with poor people — community service work — which John McCain has been talking about, putting country first and extolling the virtues of national service…
“I think there are a whole lot of people, young people in particular, who are teaching in under-served schools or working in a hospital in need, you know, volunteering for their community, that think that’s part of the change that we need,” Obama said.
Sarah Palin notably derided Obama during her RNC speech when she said being a mayor, was like a community organizer “with actual responsibilities.” But the attempt to put down Obama’s early community work began long before most of the country heard of Sarah Palin, including attempts to define Obama as a radical because of his grassroots work. Putting down low-wage employees of non-profit groups says more about the the insulter than the insulted.
[Former New York Mayor Rudy] Giuliani also sneered at Obama: “He worked as a community organizer. What?” After laughing derisively, Giuliani added, “Okay, Okay, maybe this is the first problem on the resume.”
Be aware that if you’re a volunteer or low-paid workers who chooses to help your neighbors as a way to begin a career of pubic service, you’d better not run for president, lest you risk being mocked. Now, who in America are the elites again?
Palin’s comments are a caveat for those who cherish life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Civil rights, a 40- hour work week, time-and-a-half paid for overtime work, the abolition of child labor, women’s rights, etc., resulted from community organizing.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:42 am
jesus was a community organizer.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:45 am
obama has always had that bright, optimistic smile. a disarming smile.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:50 am
Amen, bro. I gotta tell you, I am a life-long Republican and for the first time in my adult life I’m ahsamed of my party.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Once again, you libs love to grasp at anything. I suppose you have nothing else so you have no choice.
Gov. Sarah Palin was contrasting Sen. Obama’s lack of leadership and executive experience. She was not demeaning ‘community organizers’. She was merely exposing Sen. Obama’s lack of leadership. Let us not forget, Sen. Obama voted ‘present’ in lieu of taking a stand. He remarked that when life begins was ‘above his pay grade’. He is an empty vessel that Rev. Wright and Pastor Frager and William Ayers and Tony Rezco and George Soros have filled with anti-American hatred. This man should not be allowed anywhere near the White House!
September 8th, 2008 at 12:57 am
Palins remark was made in rebuttal of democrats deriding jokes about her position as the mayor of a small town. Being the mayor of a town of any size carries more responsibility than being a community organizer.
Democrats will not win any argument if the subject is who has more executive and leadership experience. Hands down, the answer is Governor Sarah Palin.
I guess the way the polls are going now, a lot of other people must feel the same way.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Thank you Scott: Jesus Was a community organizer. I also think he would have been appalled at the comment that: ” The war in Iraq was a mission from God.”
September 8th, 2008 at 1:03 am
Amen Mickey!
USATODAY POLL: MCCAIN TAKES 10-POINT LEAD OVER OBAMA IN LIKELY VOTERS…
ZOGBY: MCCAIN-PALIN UP 4%…
GALLUP: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45%…
I hear the roar of the American people! There is a landslide coming that the liberals have no clue about.
Delicious!
September 8th, 2008 at 1:03 am
Jeff,
You’ve overlooked the prosperity the US enjoyed under Bush 43, especially after the 9-11 attacks.
And you convienently omitted the dismal Carter administration! Were you alive during the 18-19% interest rates? How about those gas lines?
Are you wrongly blaming Bush 43 for the economy? How about the Democrat congress that voted for the increase in the minimum wage? We conservatives predicted that unemployment would increase as a result. Well duh! It has and it’s the Dem’s fault, not W’s!
We will be smart. We will elect MaCain-Palin in a landslide and enjoy 16 years of conservative leadership.
Enjoy it!
September 8th, 2008 at 1:16 am
“We will elect MaCain-Palin in a landslide and enjoy 16 years of conservative leadership”
LoL, the economy will collapse long before that.
Imagine a republican administration trying to steer the country through a depression. People will laying dead of starvation in the streets and the right-wing will be calling them lazy loafers.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:26 am
WALT: Good Post with FACTS. Amen on Carter. That man was totally useless.
JEFF: Neither Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin would be another Bush Sr or Bush Jr presidency. That’s just liberal talking points. And really pretty weak ones that is not going to work. They’re not working now. Your guys need to get a new plan.
A President does not control the economy, health plans, gas prices, and such. Congress does. When we had a Republican Congress, the Democrats blocked everything the Republicans tried to do and now that we have a Democratic controlled Congress, they just don’t do anything. Except take long vacations.
Obama is all hype made up by the media, packaged and sold to the American people. Most of those selling points are being questioned now and I imagine the American people will take a chance on McCain/Palin in 2008.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:35 am
A more complete picture:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/poll-tracker.htm
September 8th, 2008 at 2:05 am
Smithtown: That is a good one .. seen it earlier. Here is another good one:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
September 8th, 2008 at 2:10 am
Susan, you said: ” I also think he (Jesus) would have been appalled at the comment that: ” The war in Iraq was a mission from God.”
How could you say such a thing? biblically speaking the Irak war was absolutely a mission from God, its historical.
Wait a second Susan, are you confusing Jesus with Ghandi and the liberal do nothing ism religion of slackerism? peaceful disagreement?
Where do you get your perspective on Jesus, anyways?
September 8th, 2008 at 2:53 am
Rocky,
Wouldn’t you and your liberal-socialist friends just love for America’s economy to collapse? I’ve got news for you: it won’t happen! For the last 8 years you and your accomplises in the media have tried to talk down our economy. The recession that you’ve wanted hasn’t happened. America’s economy is stronger than you know! America’s economy is driven by small businesses, not government. America’s small businesses are run by regular folks that are living the American Dream! You socialists will never understand. That’s OK. America is a wonderful country and strong enough to withstand the attacks by missguided liberals that want to bring our country down. We love you for providing the entertainment you provide!
September 8th, 2008 at 2:57 am
Once again Colmes proves what a dumbass he is. Too stupid to understand she was just responding back to the attacks they were making on her mayor experience.
September 8th, 2008 at 2:57 am
He remarked that when life begins was ‘above his pay grade’. He is an empty vessel that Rev. Wright and Pastor Frager and William Ayers and Tony Rezco and George Soros have filled with anti-American hatred. This man should not be allowed anywhere near the White House!
Walt, well said. But why does the liberal left not care? Why do they say oh, anti Americans, traitors, terrorists are OUR kind of people? oh, lets not forget communists.
Did or has Obama EVER said “islamic terrorism”?
he wants to get Osama, although its not clear why. maybe Osama doesnt approve or fit in with Obamas version of a new world order, its got nothing to do with the terrorism stuff.
If Osama said lets legalize abortions for everyone! the left would probably say ya know, that Osama guy isnt as bad as we first thought…
Osama’s fate should be known shortly after the November 2008 election.
September 8th, 2008 at 2:59 am
Alan, Hannity would be smart to take you up on the offer to stop talking about Palin being “small town” if he stops saying “community organizer.” The hammering on “community organizer” is a bit petty though the “small town mayor” refrain is also.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:04 am
When we had a Republican Congress, the Democrats blocked everything the Republicans tried to do and now that we have a Democratic controlled Congress, they just don’t do anything. Except take long vacations.
Posted by Mickey
September 8th, 2008 at 1:35 am
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/18218.html
If this continues at the current rate, the number of cloture votes and filibusters by Republicans will more than TRIPLE the previous record.
So, who is really keeping Congress from getting anything done?
September 8th, 2008 at 3:10 am
Let’s tell the truth McCail Apologist No More:
Who is blocking a vote on drilling? It’s the Democrat House Leader Nancy Pelosi. She’s doing it because she knows she’ll loose. She is blocking America’s energy independence for her own agenda.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:21 am
While on the subject of the Speaker Of The House: I suspect Ms. Pelosi will be repremanded by her church for her pro-abortion stand. Long overdue! It is in direct oposition to the teachings of the church that she allegedly belongs to. She’s a hypocrit and should be excommunicated!
September 8th, 2008 at 3:27 am
What do McBush, McSame and PaLIAR have in common? They all have balls.
You have to have balls to insult and single out a group like “community organizers”.
One would think that these groups and their millions of constituents will rally behind Obama/Biden ticket now.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:50 am
Tim,
Watch closely and listen as well. The millions of constituents that you’re counting on will, indeed, rally! You may not like the outcome.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:54 am
Walt,
It’s already starting to happen bro. It’s a silent understanding that going around between these organizations. Watch the polls in a couple of weeks. Especially, when America will find out a little more about a LIAR they call Palin.
September 8th, 2008 at 4:00 am
Tim,
Do you know what you sound like? “It’s a silent understanding that going around between these organizations.” Wow!
I am watching the polls and your empty suit is tanking!
I recommend that you go back to blogging at the Daily Kos. You’ll find friends and agreement there.
September 8th, 2008 at 4:15 am
Do you call that a bounce? LMFAO!
September 8th, 2008 at 4:19 am
No Tim, I call it a landslide!
September 8th, 2008 at 4:26 am
As a foreigner watching from afar, I find it amazing that anyone would consider voting for a party that has done such an atrocious job of governing in the last eight years.
I watched some of Mr MaCCain’s acceptance speech and he was very passionate about changing Washington, which would make sense if Washington wasn’t headed by a man from his own party.
How can you be a vehicle of change if you come from the party that’s in power? It doesn’t make sense to me.
Surely if the Republican party has done such a bad job, which MaCCain seems to be implying why doesn’t he leave the party?
I thought the last election, with Kerry the war hero being lampooned by a President whose Daddy had done everything to stop him going to war, was surreal, but this one seems even more bizarre.
I think it’s incredibly petty to diminish someone who has worked as a volunteer. While saying being a mayor of a small town is no preparation for VP is absolutely true, it also begs the question what is the right experience for a potential VP?
When I vote, I look at the polices of each party and what they’ve achieved in government and vote based on that.
Why in the last few years have Americans stopped doing the the same?
I’d be interested to hear people’s opinions.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:12 am
“Humanity is governed by minorities, seldom or never by majorities. It suppresses its feelings and its beliefs and follows the handful that makes the most noise. Sometimes the noisy handful is right, sometimes wrong, but no matter, the crowd follows it.”
Mark Twain The Mysterious Stranger-
September 8th, 2008 at 6:12 am
Brit: I answered you yesterday , your identically phrased question, but you seemed to have ignored it.
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Poll numbers:
Hey you deceitful Leftists… Don’t you realize that for every lie you tell about the self-made VP candidate mother of 5 , you become even more revolting in the eyes of the average person. People know who she is.. she is one of them.
She is the picture perfect example of what a person can do in this country.
And then they see the perversity of the lies.. and they see who you are. they see you are their enemy.
So keep lying.. make sure to make it as nasty as possible.
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Obama will not recover from this. The man is an angry moron, trying to win office so he can expand Marxism.
You should have gotten a better dictator to be, this one isn’t the One he’s too phony too.
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The Republicans have publically recognized what they have done wrong when they were in power. They realie the damage to the government and in the trust the people have in them.
The Democrats arrogantly act like they have had no role to play in any of the problems we have today.
The people will see that the Dems are in denial and have no real desire to fix anything.
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Who wants to bet me that i’m wrong about any of this?
September 8th, 2008 at 7:22 am
Vince,
You are wrong that Obama is a Marxist, for one thing. Other than some alleged associations w/ some other people you have labeled Marxist, and his support for the Global Poverty Act (which had the support of Republicans like Chuck Hagel R-NE and Spencer Bachus R-AL), you have not shown any evidence that he is a Marxist.
I do agree that nasty attacks (like those on Palin’s daughter, or calling Obama a moron and a Marxist) serve only to help the one attacked.
September 8th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Hi Vince,
No I didn’t ignore it. I posted this response below, but never got any reply and presumed you hadn’t seen it.
Thanks Vince for your detailed analysis. You raise some interesting points.
I’ve never considered the Democrat Party particularly left wing let along extreme left. Even in comparison to New Labour, which is more centerist than ever.
So may I ask what you mean by the Extreme Left and what it your evidence for this assertion?
As for controlling the national budget, is it not the case that under Mr Bush, your national deficit has ballooned? Even today I read that the republican government is nationalising these mortgage companies Fannie something or other, which will cost billions.
You also mention that Obama is running on a Cult of Personality type of campaign, so the people do not know who he really is.
Do your politicians not publish a manifesto which tell the people exactly what their polices are?
As for your new comments, I’m intrigued by the idea that Obama is a Marxist. What evidence do you base that on?
You might be interested in this website, Political Compass which positions politicians based on their proposed policies.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008
As you can see, Obama is far from a Marxist and actually not that much different from MaCCain in many ways. I think that’s one of the sad things about our political system on both sides of the Atlantic. The choice we have when voting is extremely limited. In the UK, even thought we have 12 political parties in Parliament because of our voting system realistically only two ever have a chance of taking power. So like you, we are a two party state.
If you want to take the test yourself. here is the link.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
I think it’s an interesting tool for understand where we stand politically.
What do you think?
September 8th, 2008 at 7:41 am
Palin’s entire speech seemed like a Rush Limbaugh show or something. Nasty stuff. I did not get the same feeling from Obama or Biden’s speeches, but maybe that was just because I was more sympathetic to their cause? I kept falling asleep during McCain’s speech, but I don’t think it was as mean as Palin’s.
I am curios to hear from those on the McCain/Palin side of the fence – did you think Obama or Biden’s speeches were mean spirited? And did you sense any of the meanness from Palin’s speech?
September 8th, 2008 at 8:08 am
The selection of a VP gives us incredible insight into the thought processes of both men. In the wake of the controversy created by the Clintons for a woman, Barack withstood the criticism and selected Biden. Experienced, old school, credible and ready to lead in the event that Barack could not. McCain selected Palin. What are Gov. Palin’s qualifications and credentials to serve as President in the event that McCain cannot? This selection creates a Constitutional crisis just like Bush had. Nobody in America wants Deadeye Dick Cheney to be President. Bush and McCain are exactly the same.
September 8th, 2008 at 8:21 am
The Republican Party is digusting. If McCain / Palin wins; it’s because the average American is pretty freaking stupid.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:31 am
WASHINGTON — Democrat Barack Obama says he would delay rescinding President Bush’s tax cuts on wealthy Americans if he becomes the next president and the economy is in a recession, suggesting such an increase would further hurt the economy.
Obama is starting to see the light…increases in taxes WILL hurt the economy. Perhaps there is hope! The left must rise up in revolt against this change in economic policy!
September 8th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Alan, Again DO NOT RETRACT. Community organizer makes jobs for constructor worker whose main task was to clean up the trash.Yes, constructor worker(S.Han…)was a trash cleaner and now he is part of the “FOXY MEDIA”. FOXY MEDIA ARE ONE-STANDARD and MONO-As(as opposed to double-standard and Bi-as, the liberal media) . The foxy junkyard dog repeats the trash over and over and carries the trash to the convention.So don’t ever retract your own trash.Be as effective as he is and maybe your show will be #2 in future.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Alan,
To be fair and balanced you might wish to remind readers that Obama’s socialist/leftist supporters belittled Sarah Palin’s experience as a small town mayor long before she simply defended herself.
If you can’t stand the heat you ought to stay out of the kitchen.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Have to agree with Cecil, the VP selection process does provide great insight into each candidate’s thought process. McCain selected a newcomer to the national stage, one who has shown she is ready for the big stage. In spite of his message for change, Obama selected part of the old boy network who is as ensconced with the political elite in DC as you can get. Now who means what they say and who will really bring “Change” to DC? (I’m referring to the standard dictionary definition of change, not the Obamaspeak definition of change – see also Obamaspeak for “fair”).
September 8th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Bernie,
Which socialist supporters are you speaking of? How is her belittling Obama’s experience as a community organizer a defense to someone else attacking her experience?
September 8th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Cara,
If at this point in time you don’t know who Obama’s supporters are you need to do a quick study.
Your question regarding the early experiences of Palin vs Obama is silly. If you can’t see the parallels I can’t help you. Yet, that is exactly why you asked because you do see the parallels and wish to belittle my opinion.
Also, while Obama runs on a platform of change and reform what exactly has he changed/reformed? Did he reform his church? Did he reform Chicago/Cook County politics?
And btw while I was in the military service 1969-1972 why did his buddy Bill Ayers want to kill me and/or others like me?
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html
September 8th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Bernie,
What I don’t know is that Obama’s supporters are socialists. I guess there are socialist supporters of Obama somewhere, however the numbers of socialists in the US are not exactly legion, and hardly worth mentioning. The vast majority of his supporters are Democrats or liberal independents, so I was confused by your labeling his supporters socialists.
As for the parallels of criticisms… My point was that I don’t believe Obama has directly commented on Palin’s early experience as a beauty queen or mayor, whereas Palin was classless enough to directly belittle Obama’s early experience as a community organizer. Her whole hateful rant at the Republican convention strongly contrasts the positive message Obama presented.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Cara,
You may wish to research the VP candidate’s job description during a campaign. Also, why compare Obama to Palin at all? Shouldn’t you be comparing her to Biden.
I duly noted that Obama has already began to lower the expectations of his “positive” message. He now states that he may not be able to lower taxes as quickly as he has promised. His positive message is simply promises … promises … and more promises. Why should I believe his promises, Cara? What is his record of change? What is his record of reform? Oh yea, taking Biden to Washington as VP is sure to shake things up. Right?
And why won’t you address Obama’s judgment? He was laughable in regards to Georgia and the Russians. Where was his judgment when he joined United Trinity? He voted “present” 130 times while in the Ill State Senate. He was wrong about the “surge”. His speech in Berlin flopped.
And don’t ignore that he counts as his friend a male (Bill Ayers is far from being a man). I don’t know about you, Cara, but i could never, for any reason, sit in the living room of someone so vile that he actually tried to kill other Americans. And, as of 2001 wishes he had done more. And, doesn’t discount the possibility of doing it again.
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html
September 8th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Bernie,
Be careful of criticizing what churches people belong to. I heard today (and I really want this verified before talking about it too much) that Palin’s church speaks in tongues. Some might question whether belonging to a church that speaks in tongues shows good judgment.
As for why bring up Palin in reference to Obama – I like McCain, but I am concerned about his age and health so I am more concerned about the VP than usual. I’m not voting for him, but a McCain presidency would be OK/better than what we have had the past 8 years. A potential Palin presidency on the other hand doesn’t exactly rock my world.
As for why won’t I address the issue of Obama’s judgment, I didn’t know anyone asked me to? Re: Georgia, I think that is a big, big, big deal – and taking a bit of time to form a response was a good idea, it showed good judgment.
Re: Palin judgment, she wants to teach Creationism in public schools – bringing Sunday school into the public classroom does not show good judgment to me.
Now, why won’t you address the issue of your baseless accusation that supporters of Obama are socialists?
September 8th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Timothy McVeigh wiped out a whole federal building in Oklahoma City, killing men, women, and children (children whom he called “collateral damage”).
He was a registered Republican.
At the federal, state and local level there are numerous political figures with close ties to the Christian right, militia groups and racist and anti-Semitic organizations—the very circles in which McVeigh moved prior to the bombing. The Republican Party in particular has close ties to such right-wing groups, and a number of Republican senators, congressmen and governors have actively solicited their support.
During the Republican impeachment drive against Clinton, it was revealed, for example, that Rep. Bob Barr (R-Georgia)—among the most ferocious anti-Clinton partisans—and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) had ties to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a white supremacist group.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
I like how the loonyleft tries to use the “fact” that most Obama supporters are higher educated than McCain supporters. I can only assume that by being “higher educated” they really mean “Complete morons” as that is the only sort of person that could vote for this idiot.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Is there ANY reason that we should assume that anyone who uses words like ” loonyleft” and morons are older than twelve?
September 8th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Cara,
So what you’re saying is that Obama DOESN’T have a socialist agenda of bigger and bigger government coupled with more and more hand outs. Because if he does that is socialism to me and would therefore make his supporters Socialists regardless of what they call themselves.
As a retiree Obama has promised to cut my federal taxes. Okay, but how will that shortfall be made up? How much can we burden the $250k plus crowd before they realize their labor and capital would be better spent overseas? Then who do we tax? Oh yea, we can tax big business; taxes which are passed on to the consumer.
Regarding Georgia, Obama’s good judgment I might remind you was wrong twice before he was right. I prefer the man who was right-on from the start. When and if that call comes at 3am I’d prefer someone to answer who has a track record of being right the first time.
And I will be okay with any church Sarah might belong to as long as they aren’t preaching hate towards America. Disagreement? Yes, I deal with disagreement. Hate? No way.
At any rate, I’m sorry you don’t agree with this. But it is jmho.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Cara~ Someone speaking in tongues cannot be compared to someone using the pulpit to spew the venom that Wright was. When someone speaks in tongues, it comes from the Holy Spirit.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Gayle,
I don’t want to be disrespectful to your beliefs, but if you believe that speaking in tongues comes from the Holy Spirit, of course you see it as being no problem.
I, and many other Americans, think speaking in tongues is as strange an idea as you probably think black liberation theology is.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Bernie,
re: “So what you’re saying is that Obama DOESN’T have a socialist agenda…”
That is correct, he does not have a socialist agenda. And I’m not sure which ‘hand outs’ you think are socialist. McCain is not looking to cancel Medicare prescription benefits, is he thus socialist? I have not heard McCain speak out against food stamps, so he is socialist?
The political rainbow has more colors in it that Republican and Socialist.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
The Moonbats are all aflutter as the water steadily rises in their little cave! Poor things……they only get louder and more frantic as they see the end draw near. Sorry kids, you’re goin’ down!!!
September 8th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
I must admit that I am enjoying the latest polls…which Obama now says don’t mean anything. What’s he supposed to say…we’re going down?!
September 8th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Um Cara:
Speaking in tongues is biblical in several passages…but with the various interpretations of it…we probably ought to just stay political here.
September 8th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Using your own logic, and I quote,
“Be aware that if you’re a volunteer or low-paid workers who chooses to help your neighbors as a way to begin a career of pubic service, you’d better not run for president, lest you risk being mocked. Now, who in America are the elites again?”
why would you mock Sarah Palin’s experience as a mayor and governor?
September 8th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I don’t think that Rev Wright comes close to the hatred of the right wing preachers, that Republicans suck up to:
Lt Gen William “Jerry” Boykin, the newly promoted deputy undersecretary of state of defence for iLt Gen William “Jerry” Boykin, the newly promoted deputy undersecretary of state of defence for intelligence.ntelligence.
Gen Boykin has repeatedly told Christian groups and prayer meetings that President George W Bush was chosen by God to lead the global fight against Satan.
He told one gathering: “Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. He’s in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this.”
Pastor Hagee called the Catholic church the” great whore”.
And , declared:
“The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation [...] and [the] Second Coming of Christ.”
They want to attack Iran to bring about their end times?
Falwell Robertson blamed 9/11 on America:
“The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I’ll hear from them for this, but throwing God…successfully with the help of the federal court system…throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad…I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America…I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen.”
Robertson said, “I totally concur, and the problem is we’ve adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we’re responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system.”
Frank Schaffer said:
“When Senator Obama’s preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father — Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer — denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.
Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father’s footsteps) rail against America’s sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the “murder of the unborn,” has become “Sodom” by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, “under the judgment of God.” They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama’s minister’s shouted “controversial” comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.”
WHY DO THEY HATE AMERICA???
The ONLY difference between Rev Wright’s Comments and those of the right wing pastors is that Rev Wright is angry that the government uses it’s awesome power to, in his opinion, hurt the little people, and the right wing pastors are angry that the government does NOT use it’s awesome power to keep the little people, in line.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
OldLefty,
I hope your kiding and don’t believe that…think about what your saying. We have 3 branches of government and if that was true there would be a lot of people involved.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Oldlefty…….request name change to OLDWINDBAG! (You’re still going down!!)
September 8th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
I hope your kiding and don’t believe that…think about what your saying. We have 3 branches of government and if that was true there would be a lot of people involved.
Posted by Working Mom
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Don’t believe what?
Ad rem,
I am only quotine others.
And yes, I realize that I am a gasbag.
September 8th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Perry,
Um Cara:
Speaking in tongues is biblical in several passages…but with the various interpretations of it…we probably ought to just stay political here
speaking in tongues in the bible means literally speaking in languages that already exist. If you dont speak any Japanese or Chinese at all, and suddenly could speak fluently to share the gospel with someone who didnt speak english, this is an example of speaking in tongues.
biblically it says that if your speaking in tongues is just babble then its worthless, and thats what these phoney tongues false teachings do. it is Satanic to babble or convulse on the floor and make strange noises and claim its worship as some false Christian churches do.
speaking in tongues was a sign of the Holy Spirit that sharing the gospel with those who only understood another language could be done but only by Gods will. so in some church when people babble, its not biblical, its Satanic and its a horrible deception.
Obama’s church with Rev Wright was another false church, and Obama is a liar for saying he didnt know what Wright believed, and biblically all lies are from hell
September 8th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
what Falwell and Robertson said about 911 was correct, I watched it as it happened and said wow thats going to be misrepresented and used by the left to smear Christianity.
So OL for you or others to be ignorant and spread lies about their technical and accurate dialog? your danger is with Christ for saying Christ is a liar.
There are many times I can find errors in what Robertson or the late Jerry Falwell say, but go ahead and find errors in that one, I tried but agreed with them, show me the errors based on the bible.
You may hate God and hate hearing them speak about Gods creation and Gods laws, that kind of talk may offend you who want to enjoy sin and every vile thing; Im not suprised you hate Robertson/Falwell for speaking about the bible, but lets hear it, you chose to speak out on this one so how are they wrong based on the bible? you make the allegation so back it up
September 8th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
It’s funny how much the Republicans contradict themselves.
Their slogan for the convention was “Service”, although they mock Obama for his service work.
They put out an ad talking about how much they fight their own party, citing Sarah Palin’s “opposition” (read: support) to the bridge to nowhere and ignoring the fact that John McCain has voted with his party 95% of the time over the past year.
They have latched onto the “change” message even though they don’t really want to change anything.
It’s laughable and it reeks of damage control.
September 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Falwell and Robertson EXPLOIT Christ.
They are snake salesmen and charlatans.
They (in the words of Sinclair Lewis), “display the public piety of a traveling salesman of church furniture.”.
They are snake oil salesmen and charlatans.
September 8th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Oldlefty,
Please accept my apology for the above comments. Your reply was quite measured, and not full of the mindless name calling one ususally expects. Your self-depricating, and witty response was both engaging, and smart. In the future, I will try to read and consider your postings with likewise respect and regard. Again, my regrets….
September 8th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Perry,
Every church and every person for that matter has their own interpretation of the bible. My point is that speaking in tongues is way out there to most folks, and if Palin engages in it and/or believes in it, it is going to freak out as many people as black liberation theology does.
I originally brought up the point to show that it is probably best for McCain/Palin supporters to stick to politics and quit bringing up Obama’s church. So, I think we actually agree : )
September 8th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Ad rem,
Gee, Thank you.
I’m checking in only occasionally as I have unfortunately started the wallpaper removal job from hell.
You know it’s bad, when the BEST tool is your fingernail.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Oldlefty.
Wallpaper…..aaahhhh, my condolences! I live in a 70 yr. old Spanish Colonial, and have stripped paint and paper from just about every surface one could imagine. Oh, and dealing with the lead-based paints issues…..don’t even go there! I hope you’re dealing with a vinyl product, and not the old “paper” stuff. Best of luck!
September 8th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
My point is that speaking in tongues is way out there to most folks, and if Palin engages in it and/or believes in it, it is going to freak out as many people as black liberation theology does.
So who says Palin believes in it? oh right, you libs just make up stuff. it starts as a rumor this way then gets quoted as fact
the things Obama did were real, like being a muslim, saying “my muslim faith”, etc
September 8th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Ad rem,
This will be my last post for a whlie, but 70 yr. old Spanish Colonial sounds awesome.
The top layer came off fairly easily, but the brown paper stuff isn’t.
They put it on unprepared drywall, so while the backing doesn’t want to come off, the plaster comes off quite easily.
See, ya!
September 8th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
obama is a muslim? link?
September 8th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Alan tonight Sean will ask you if any republican has ever called Obama a muslim! Your response should be: Jerome, corsi was on your show multiple times to prove the view that: he is a muslim , a radical, anti-american, anti-semite, not a USA born.SEan never refutes those claims and now he is claming that no republican ever called Obama a muslim.
September 8th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Bradley,
She is Pentacostal, and the majority of them believe in it, and it is being reported that her church practices it.
I was taken to a Pentecostal service by a girlfriend in high school, knowing nothing about them, and it whigged me out when the person behind me started having what I thought was a schizophrenic attack. Maybe I am overreacting due to that experience.
To be fair, today was the first day I heard about it and I’ll shut up about it until (or if) we learn more.
(Plus, as I recall, my whole point was that maybe it would be best if both sides stopped talking about the other’s religion.)
September 8th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
since palin wants schools to teach abstinence only, i presume she teaches it in her own home.
September 8th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Bradley,
Maybe the senior pastor of this church is lying, but…
“Before running for Alaska governor, Palin also frequented Wasilla’s Church on the Rock, an independent Pentecostal church, senior pastor David Pepper said in a statement.”
Church on the Rock is the exact same name of the church I was talking about with my high school experience (in the Dallas area though – I don’t know if it is a ‘franchise’ or they just happen to have the same name).
Anyway, at least at the Church on the Rock I went to that one time people certainly believed in speaking in tongues, and I don’t see how anyone who didn’t believe in it could go more than once.
September 8th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Ad rem,
No need to reply….know you’re quite busy. Just hope that last posting didn’t get paste all over the keyboard! BTW, I see that I have not dealt with it all…having old plaster walls, I have never dealt with removing paper from untreated drywall. How does one do this without removing the drywall finish itself? As I did put some drywall in our remodel, aka the l0 yr. DYI project from hell, I feel compelled to hit the books on this one. Remember, “Advil” is your friend…
September 8th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Hah…duuuuuuuuhhhhhh! Just noticed I addressed my last posting to myself! I meant to address “Oldlefty”….I’m afraid I’m the victim of wallpaper paste fumes, somehow finding a method of electromagnetic transfer……..
September 8th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
obama is a muslim? link?
Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and stepfather and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/
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Note that Ive never said he attended a madrassa. I just say that Hussein Obama has made the oath and pledge to be a muslim at some point(s) in his life.
Obama could say that he had some muslim influence and yes, took the oath to be a muslim at a young age, but later on he chose the Christian faith.
Do you see any problem with his’ saying that?
It targets him as a heretic and an enemy of islam.
If Obama says he was never a muslim, then he is in a totally different category to islamic teaching and its an acceptable position, he simply hasnt seen the light and has not rejected the islamic or one true faith. As long as he never was a muslim and turned away later.
Here is where the problem is, if Obama is lying about having once been a muslim even for 6 months or a couple years tops, just to hide from being in the heretic category that angers muslims; and makes him once a muslim always a muslim to most Americans, whether thats fair or not? it means Obama is a total liar and cannot be trusted for anything. If he will lie about his religion? what else will he lie about?
September 8th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Anyway, at least at the Church on the Rock I went to that one time people certainly believed in speaking in tongues, and I don’t see how anyone who didn’t believe in it could go more than once.
Okay Im not familiar with her religious beliefs or that church; but I agree that normal people will be freaked out by hearing that bizarre behavior.
Its something that a person either believes in or doesnt. There are good folks who are tricked into thinking its biblical; If there is a person with advanced training in bible things and religion like a degree and teaches, as an expert, that speaking in tongues is okay and biblical, then such a person has serious issues.
September 8th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Bradley,
re: “Note that Ive never said he attended a madrassa. I just say that Hussein Obama has made the oath and pledge to be a muslim at some point(s) in his life.”
When did Obama take this oath and pledge?
September 8th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
School not a madrassa
But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.
He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.
“This is a public school. We don’t focus on religion,” Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. “In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don’t give preferential treatment.”
FROM THE CNN LINK. SO WE HAVE STILL NOT SEEN A LINK THAT SAYS OBAMA IS A MUSLIM.
September 8th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
repubs use obama’s middle name in order to exploit bigotry.
September 8th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
bradley: the old testament stated, ” an eye for an eye “.Jesus said ” I say unto to you, turn the other cheek” need I say MORE! since you feel that the war was biblical historical mission we’ll wait to see if the rest of the history follows. oh, by the way it’s IRAQ, not IRAK.
September 8th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Cara~ To be honest with you, I’m not even sure what black liberation theology is. In my mind theology is lessons on the Bible. So could you in a nutshell explain it to me. And I’m truly not being a smart mouth. I really don’t know.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Old Lefty~ Hagee is a crackpot, NO BODY knows when Christ will return and for him to say that an attack on Iran will bring in on is not Scriptural. So he doesn’t speak for all Conservatives.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Gayle,
I think very few people understood what Black liberation theology was until very recently, so I can certainly understand you not knowing much about it, I did not either until it became an issue in this election.
The founder summarizes it as:
“mainly a theology that sees God as concerned with the poor and the weak.”
But of course it is much more complex than that – if you are interested in it, google it and take a look at a few different sources, there are a lot of different opinions on it, some discuss it in a positive light and some in a negative light, so do take a look at a few different sites to get a wider view on it.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Allan, you are a liberal voice that I respect. But occasionally your approach isn’t exactly honest. The first reaction of the Obama campaign to Governor Palin was to deride her as a small town mayor. They were contemptuous. Her response was completely fair….so community organizer trumps a mayor? This has been typical: the Obama campaign is vituperative and then whines about nasty Republican tactics. The man is an empty suit. He’s never accomplished anything. He didn’t even publish on the Harvard Law Review.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Cara~ I did check out a few sites on Black Liberation Theology. I understand it, I just find it sad that there is still such a divide in our nation as far as races go. When I meet someone, I don’t look at their skin color, I just see a person. Too bad there are people out there that still judge a person by skin color. As a Christian, my concern is for the person not their color.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Cara,
Do you have a job and a social life or do you do this all night?
September 9th, 2008 at 2:05 am
The Besuki School became the object of American and world-wide media attention when former student Barack Obama announced his candidacy for United States president in January, 2007. Among the media outlets to send reporters to the school were: The Chicago Tribune[2][3], MSNBC[4], and the BBC.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Elementary_School_Menteng_01
Scott, notice that The Chicago Tribune[2][3], MSNBC[4], and the BBC.
These are all hardcore liberal left biased groups. Where are the details from those biased right? how can we have the facts if only one side who is biased to skew the answer is the only side we have to consider?
And remember, alls Im saying is that whether he really agreed or not, Obama at some point took an oath to be a muslim.
If his family was muslim do you think there would be happiness on their part if he willingly chose their religion? would they notice? or say oh yeah whatever, heard you joined our muslim thing a few months ago, how’s that been going for you? (no that would be a parody of the actual reality)
America is a laws/rules dominated society, muslim dominated countries are whats called honor/shame societies.
If there are actual muslim close familiy members still around, what are their thoughts? can they end the speculation?
September 9th, 2008 at 2:37 am
Um Cara, When did Obama take this oath and pledge?
thats the question. It translates to someone should aks him if he is trying to insinuate that after all the heritage, all the years in the south Pacific, all the exposure to whatever islamic things that with all the pressure that exists socially to join, that you never said, if even to make the people (shut up) you said the oath and pledged to be a muslim?
its just so unlikely, so improbable.
but then we have the other aspect, does Obama have the NEED TO COVER IT UP? if as someone said if Obama had taken the oath at anytime and then now denies islam? that puts him in a bad category. But there is a problem, islam itself teaches its important to use lying to acheive goals even if its the denial of islam among the enemy if it will gain something. Better to gain something, so go ahead and deny, but use judgement and dont get carried away with the denial thing or we will think somethings up.
Obama does not deny islam very much, therefore it seems logical it would be true… Wright teaches hate for the USA for 20 years, 20 YEARS??? and Obama wants us to believe he never knew what it was about? And then Wright came out and said in the last famous interview when Obama denied him: “…oh yeah its okay because Obama told me he has to say whatever people need to hear, so he is saying his thing to help his political career, I understand and its all cool…” the Rev Wright said (paraphrased)
Another thing that is just too unlikely, it doesnt make sense and if something doesnt make sense its usually not true. There are 2 things that dont make sense
September 9th, 2008 at 2:51 am
Aren’t most business in America small and structured as LLCs and S corporations?
I’m a small business owner in Western NY. Our business is an LLC and like S corporations the profits and losses flow to the owners. Our business will show a profit each year from $300,000 to $500,000. These profits flow to my 1040 for me to pay taxes on. While I only take home a very small percentage of the profit. We take the balance of the profit and invest in our company by purchasing additional machine tools – made in America, and hiring additional people.
If taxes are raised on me because I “make” over $200,000 I will not be able to further the investment in my company. I may actually have to lay off some workers to pay the taxes.
How does this help the economy? How does this help the “average American”?
I’ve asked this question of every person I can, and I’ve not heard an answer. I’m really looking for an answer. Thanks for your help.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:06 am
SAS, if you’re asking every person you can, instead of turning to the vast resources on the Internet to find out, then I have to question whether you’re “really looking for an answer” and you’re just basically putting people on the spot so they won’t vote for Obama. But OK, I’ll bite:
Obama’s doesn’t intend to tax companies that make over $200K. Obama wants to increase taxes by rolling back the Bush tax cuts on people making more than $200,000 if single or $250,000 if married filing jointly.
The kind of people who have been able to well afford the increases in gasoline and health care created during the Bush administration they helped place in power.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Gayle,
You sound like a very nice person, and I agree with you. I also think most people are nice – it doesn’t seem that way sometimes, especially when people are arguing politics on a blog : ) But most people are good and just want to get along with their neighbors, succeed and see other people succeed. Hopefully we will move past racism completely someday, the U.S. has gone a long way already, so I think we will get there someday.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
SAS,
You should probably talk to an accountant to get the answer. I don’t know the details of your business, but those capitol investments you are making should be tax deductible.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Carol,
re:
Do you have a job and a social life or do you do this all night?
I’m sorry, but I have a girlfriend. Plus I live in Brazil, so it probably would have never worked out between you and I anyway. But we’ll always have this blog together.
Beijos
September 9th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
i think we all concur rev. wright is a wackjob;however, he did make one true statement: ” this country is run by rich white guys.”
September 9th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Bradley,
You could have written a much shorter post, saying essentially the same thing you took up several paragraphs with. Why not just say:
“As far as I know Obama never took an oath to be Muslim”
See? Much more concise. Oh, and to be a gentleman, you might have added:
“I apologize for insinuating that he did so”
September 9th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Um Cara,
Ooooh, “kisses”……que homem!!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Ad Rem,
Yes, in Brazil it is common for a man to finish an email or an SMS to a woman with a beijo. I especially felt the need because I was trying to let Carol down gently.
What, you don’t like to kiss girls or something? (not that there’s anything wrong with that)
September 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Um Cara,
AAAGGGhHHH…. yes, I know what it meant, and I thought is was cute…that’s why I bothered to reply! Dude, I was cheering you on…..not bringing you down!!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Um Cara, etal.,
Just ’cause I view politics with a conservative slant doesn’t mean everything I endeavor to write or convey is “snark”, or sarcasm. Underneath our hideous facades we too are human….;-}
September 9th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
AD Rem,
Me desculpe, um abraco entao : )
“I’m sorry, a hug for you then”
yea, that’s a little weirder than the kisses thing, in Brazil guys send ‘hugs’ to their male friends, took me a bit longer to get used to that than the 20 or 30 opportunities a day to kiss a girl ; )
September 9th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Um Cara,
Wow….vinte ou trinta opportunidades um o dia de beijar uma menine?!!! (Voce homem afortunado!) : -)
September 9th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Ad Rem,
Just ’cause I view politics with a conservative slant doesn’t mean everything I endeavor to write or convey is “snark”, or sarcasm. Underneath our hideous facades we too are human….;-}
And I’m not always an oversensitve twit, but I sure was this time.
Seriously, sorry man.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Um Cara,
Nenhum problema! (Actually I’m picking up a lot of Portuguese practice too!)
September 9th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Are you studying Portuguese? There are some great places to vacation in Brazil (don’t go to Rio, there are better/safer/cheaper places) and if you speak even a little Portuguese you will get have a pretty good chance to kiss algumas garotas tambem!
September 9th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Um Cara,
Nope….just dig studying languages in general. I’m curious to note that Portuguese is actually quite a bit different from Spanish, at least the Spanish I learned in school. Seems like Portuguese uses the “m” in place of the Spanish “n”, in many instances. (i.e., tambem….tambien). Is Portuguese the usual language of Brasil? OK, no need to answer, just googled Brazil and got the info. Wow, fifth largest country, and fifth most populated….6th most used language….I had no idea Brasil had such significance. I know that she is a big player in the international investment arena…as the Latin America funds all owe their big profits to her. Muito interessante………
September 9th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Oh Cara-You really are not American-so your like Barry.
You hate America too.
Sorry, Married and not interested.
Bye Bye Cara
September 9th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Supposedly it is similar to the ‘original’ Spanish, more so than current Spanish. But it is almost as different from current Spanish as Italian, for example. Yea, you picked up on one of the big differences, there are hardly any words ending in ‘n’ (those that do are mostly Indian (woo-woo, not dot) words).
Yes, Brazil is a big economic player, it is the ‘B’ in the ‘BRIC’ that you hear about. I live in Sao Paulo, basically the NYC of South America (wide range of guesses as to how many people live in this city, maybe 15 million). Land mass it is about 2/3 the size of the US, and it is about a 11 hour flight from here to Dallas. I really had no idea of any of these facts before I got ready to move here.
Anyway, if you speak Spanish the folks here will mostly understand you, and you will mostly not understand them : ) Not sure why that is (I didn’t speak any other languages until I moved here a couple years ago and had to learn it, hardly anyone speaks English here)
It’s a great country, with a lot of opportunity, and a lot of problems. Kind of a 1950s US but with more government corruption. Wonderful people, very strong intact families are the norm, highly religious – I think most conservatives would approve : )
Hopefully you’ll get a chance to visit, if you have a facility for languages you could probably pick up enough Portuguese quickly enough to have more fun than the average ‘gringo’ would (not a pejorative here, like it is in Mexico)
September 9th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Carol,
I’m an American, I have lived and worked in Brazil the past couple years – but I am both a proud American, and a proud Texan.
Not sure why you would say that I hate America, but I’ll still throw a beijo your way.
Um beijo
September 9th, 2008 at 7:58 pm