McCain Lawyer Working To Block Palin Inquiry
Earlier we asked, “What is Sarah Palin hiding?” That question is now amplified by word that Edward O’Callaghan, a former Justice Department prosecutor who now works for the McCain campaign, is actively working to shut down the investigation. Here is the crux of the matter:
The investigation revolves around allegations that Palin fired Monegan, the state’s top cop, because he rebuffed intense pressure from the governor and her aides to dismiss Mike Wooten, a state trooper involved in a messy custody battle with Palin’s sister. Critics, including Monegan himself, have accused Palin of being obsessed over the Wooten matter–sending him repeated e-mails about it–in an attempt to use her public office to settle a private score.
O’Callaghan is now in Alaska, tasked with “thwarting inquiries into the Alaska governor on all fronts.” This is in spite of what Palin said on July 28, when she vowed to “fully cooperate” with this investigation. They tried a neat little trick when Palin filed a complaint against herself in an attempt to put the investigation in the hands of the state Personnel Board and take it out of the hands of the Legislative Council, which they suddenly decided was “tainted”. Now Palin’s lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, has filed a motion with the Personnel board saying “there’s no probable cause” to pursue an ethics inquiry in the first place.
Yet, Sarah Palin is being presented to the American people as a “reformer” who went after the bad guys and was a model of “clean government“. Are we going to buy it?
With as many apparent Obama operatives in Alaska, legal support ot Gov. Palin certainly seems fair and balanced.
You must agree with this or be a mindless liberal Obama sycophant. You decide.
September 17th, 2008 at 12:19 am
Stalling may be working against the Mccain camp. They cast her as likable real personal and warm, however avoidence can give the perception of: not to be trusted and guilty of something. This is classic Mccain Overdone and and lying.
September 17th, 2008 at 12:31 am
The investigation should be shut down. It’s a political witch hunt by a pissed off Democratic Senator that got his legs cut off at the knees by Sarah Palin and fueled by any and all Palin haters (couldn’t be a lot since she has an 86% approval rate in Alaska) the Obama bunch of thugs could gather up and pay off. You want some sleasy, dirty, and corrupt workings then how about actually investigating the Obamasiah’s past and how his dealings with Ayers, Alinesky, Rezko and the land deals, ACORN, and on and on and on. How about let’s talk about Biden’s crooked brother and son.
All of the memo’s and emails from Governor Palins office has been released and there is absolutely no proof of wrong doing there. There is, however, lots of proof of the public safety commissioner’s underhanded goings on. And the Attorney General of Alaska has informed Hollis French and his Investigator that he needs to withdraw the subpoenas because the state workers are not going to testify or appear before this commission.
September 17th, 2008 at 1:05 am
Yesterday I heard you actually try to defend Obama’s for NO votes regarding providing medical care to infant survivors of abortion. Alan, have you no common sense? You sat facing Gianna Jessen, a adult who survived an attempted abortion and disgraced yourself as a human being. Alan, when two attempts are made to kill a baby,
first by the mother and the doctor and secondly, by either an actual act or by deliberate neglect to a living baby who has suffered burns or anything else. To deliberately make a second condemnation of death on the baby…that can only be labeled INFANTICIDE. Once the baby is delivered and is breathing on it’s own, it is in fact a living entity. What is it about being alive that you cannot understand? If a hardened criminal was subjected to two distinct rounds of execution in order to kill him, you would be up in arms. Well, think about it. First the abortion then being set off to the side to die equals two attempts…and the victim is an innocent who’s only crime was to be conceived.
September 17th, 2008 at 1:08 am
“The investigation should be shut down. It’s a political witch hunt by a pissed off Democratic Senator”
You do realize that before Palin came into the national spotlight, a council of 14 people voted unanimously to investigate her based on the evidence. Ten of those fourteen people on the council were Republicans. This was not a “democratic witch hunt.”
September 17th, 2008 at 1:29 am
“Once the baby is delivered and is breathing on it’s own, it is in fact a living entity.”
Posted by Nancy
September 17th, 2008 at 1:08 am
finaly a concervative that admits that its not a living entity of its own till its born and breathing on its own there is hope for concervatives yet!
September 17th, 2008 at 1:30 am
Obviously the Republican propose to replace Fortress Bush with Fortress McCain and continue the radical rightwing’s obsessive pursuit of unlimited power from beneath the banner of the imperial presidency.
And what can we expect from the McCain regime?
Catholicism and Judaism and all non-evangelical protestant denominations will surely be outlawed.
The gays will likely be lynched.
Women seeking back-alley abortions will probably be incarcerated in prison hospital wards and compelled to allow their pregnancies to come to term.
Social Security will be privatized, so if the stock market tanks you lose your retirement.
There will be no health care reform whatsoever so health insurance rates will continue to skyrocket.
Tax breaks for the wealthy.
Gas for $10 a gallon.
September 17th, 2008 at 1:37 am
“You do realize that before Palin came into the national spotlight, a council of 14 people voted unanimously to investigate her based on the evidence. Ten of those fourteen people on the council were Republicans. This was not a “democratic witch hunt.””
Yes, I do realize that. She told them to investigate and one of the people said they wanted to do the investigation to prove her innocent (or guilty) and get it out of the way. But it was spearheaded by the Democrat Hollis French who has an axe to grind with the Governor. When she was picked as the veep for McCain another republican senator told French that the charges should go before the 3 person ethics committee because of the circumstances. French didn’t agree. So the witch hunt was on.
It was a small hunt and would probably have been over pretty quick except Obama sent his henchmen up and the left wing media got involved and now we are here.
Oh, did I mention, French and the other democrats are all Obama supporters? You bet it is a witch hunt, but it’s not going to go anywhere. I know Obama and the democrats would like to see it discredit her and get her out of the race, because that’s the way Obama wins elections. You can google that. But it ain’t going to happen. Obama is going to have to win this one with his opponents still in the race and it’s not looking very good for him right now.
September 17th, 2008 at 1:47 am
I Gov. Palin has done nothing wrong, I see no harm in the investigation proceeding. Surely it has enough national attention by now to be above board considering the scrutiny is bound to attract. And, after all it was started before Gov. Palin’s selection as VP. Hey I got through this post without being nasty to anyone, Now there’s a concept!
September 17th, 2008 at 1:52 am
One of the first things in any court action is what? Its does the venue have jurisdiction?
So Alan this weak attempt to slam the GOP is another baseless dishonest claim. You try and bring out the facts of the claims and claim this claim is the center of the issue. You are dishonest by saying the investigation has standing or whatever you said? It doesnt.
How about if 14 conservatives just picked out of the blue invent some “Council of fairness”? we are thinking of renting the Rec center to hold our investigation if we can get the money together and then we will call you to testify under oath about our investigation about what you did last summer? I order you to testify. What are you afraid of? why dont you testify? We all know its because you are hiding something, and you want to get lawyers to protect you? oh I see how it really is now, your denial means youre guilty. So youre refusing to cooperate with the investigation, is that it? Most of our 14 conservatives have visited Roswell, New Mexico so nothing would suprise them.
Alan refuses to show up at the investigation and is getting Lawyers to speak FOR him, that is the headline.
See Alan? take this claim and run it around the block a couple times and it sounds real nutty
September 17th, 2008 at 1:57 am
Catholicism and Judaism and all non-evangelical protestant denominations will surely be outlawed.” Democrats are the ones with no tolerance for religion.
“The gays will likely be lynched.” Probably not, but hopefully they won’t be able to march down the middle of San Francisco naked and making out with Pelosi leading the parade.
“Women seeking back-alley abortions will probably be incarcerated in prison hospital wards and compelled to allow their pregnancies to come to term.” Not worth of an answer.
“Social Security will be privatized, so if the stock market tanks you lose your retirement.” If the stock market tanks you will lose your retirement anyway.
“There will be no health care reform whatsoever so health insurance rates will continue to skyrocket.” Health Insurance rates skyrocket because Bill Clinton deregulated portions of the insurance regs by executive order in 1996.
“Tax breaks for the wealthy.” Weak and stale argument.
“Gas for $10 a gallon.” You can take that up with the libs in congress that don’t want to drill offshore. Oh, I forgot, the house passed a ‘bill’ to drill, but only further thann 50 miles off any coast. Anywhere, except exactly where most of the oil is.
September 17th, 2008 at 2:02 am
Bradley: you have a problem with reality don’t you? Your analaogies are in fantasy land,
(analagies is an attempt at a pun folks)
September 17th, 2008 at 2:04 am
PARROTHEAD WROTE: Hey Nancy..does life begin when both parties are standing there naked?” Life begins at conception. We can assume both people would be naked and if they were standing up at the time, then yes. The answer is yes.
September 17th, 2008 at 2:07 am
(analagies is an attempt at a pun folks)
I don’t get it. how is making an analogy funny? or a pun?
how was that apple? oh it was a good orange, thank you.
what are you saying about fantasy land?
September 17th, 2008 at 2:15 am
Mickey,,and every other fetus-freak: When life begins is a philosophical question NOT biological one.
And dogma is not an answer; it is blind ‘faith’.
September 17th, 2008 at 2:19 am
Budda are you saying the leaders of your religion are philosophers?
Once the fertilized egg splits into 2 there is no doubt its a life. life actually began at a time earlier but splitting only happens when life is present.
I trust the bible to be Gods word, mostly because there are no errors and no contradictions on who God is, what God said and says and what salvation is; neither are there errors about any physical science claim made in the bible either.
take other world religions and they cannot stand up to science, only Christianity can
September 17th, 2008 at 2:30 am
BUDDA: Not sure what a fetus-freak is. Guess I missed that memo.
When life begins may be a philosophical question to you, but not to me. There is no question to it. Life begins at conception. That’s my belief. Doesn’t have to be yours.
September 17th, 2008 at 2:39 am
The bible is full of contradictions, errors, fables, myths and fictionalized history.
To think otherwise is folly.
September 17th, 2008 at 3:02 am
quote “The bible is full of contradictions, errors, fables, myths and fictionalized history”
you may think so because you heard these claims made. But have you dared to check and see if the claims are authentic or made up?
September 17th, 2008 at 3:37 am
“The bible is full of contradictions, errors, fables, myths and fictionalized history.
To think otherwise is folly.”
I’m sure you have done all the necessary research to reach that conclusion. You probably beleive in evolution. So if you do, and you believe we evolved from apes, the tell me why in the hell do we still have apes.
September 17th, 2008 at 3:39 am
Yes, Mickey and Bradley (are you actually two different people?), we liberofascist scum-suckers do believe in all that reality-based stuff like gravity, comparative DNA, arithmetic, geology, mitachondrial DNA and horror of horrors, EVILUSHUN.
Pity we can’t just give up mankind’s greatest gift, the ability to reason, and say “Yeah, it’s all magic” like the likes of you two.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:22 am
John McKee, you forget: “Everything in the bible is true because everything in the bible is true.”
It’s the classic Burden of Proof (aka Appeal to Ignorance) fallacy. Logic doesn’t work against those types :D
Regarding the topic at hand, it’s just another example of the Straight Talk Express (TM) in action. “I will cooperate fully with this investigation because I have nothing to hide,” changes to, “Even though I have nothing to hide I will choose to hide… because this is a witch hunt.”
What?
McCain/Palin: Ticket to Nowhere
September 17th, 2008 at 4:54 am
“The bible is full of contradictions, errors, fables, myths and fictionalized history.
To think otherwise is folly.
Posted by Boogieman
September 17th, 2008 at 3:02 am”
It sounds like you’re describing the IPCC reports yet I bet you think there is such a thing as manmade global warming and want to radically change society to prevent it
September 17th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Vince,
…I bet you think there is such a thing as manmade global warming…
Do you not think global warming is contributed to by man?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:45 am
Mickey asks,
I’m sure you have done all the necessary research to reach that conclusion. You probably beleive in evolution. So if you do, and you believe we evolved from apes, the tell me why in the hell do we still have apes.
The idea would be that apes and man descended from a common ancestor, not that man evolved from the modern ape.
Now a question for you, do you believe in dinosaurs?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:50 am
“Do you not think global warming is contributed to by man?
Posted by Um Cara
September 17th, 2008 at 7:45 am”
No. CO2 does not contribute in any meaningful way to an increase in air temp.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:09 am
Vince,
No. CO2 does not contribute in any meaningful way to an increase in air temp.
Why is Venus so hot? CO2 does contribute to air temperature. Certainly there are a small number of contrarian scientists who do not believe that man made CO2 is significant enough to affect temperatures (and contrarian does not mean wrong, at one time it was a contrarian view to think the world was anything but flat, or that the earth was not the center of the universe, etc…)
But it is not liberal propaganda to believe that man is contributing to a rapid increase in the average temperature on earth, I believe Bush has even come around on that.
I’m not sure where you are getting your information, but it is obvious from your other postings that you read a great deal, I hope you are looking at a variety of sources before forming your final opinion on this topic.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:32 am
>Why is Venus so hot?
We’re not on Venus
>CO2 does contribute to air temperature.
CO2 levels go higher and higher and yet the temps are lower now then they were ten years ago.
>But it is not liberal propaganda to believe that man is contributing to a rapid increase in the average temperature on earth, I believe Bush has even come around on that.
I dont care about Bush nothing he does has any impact on my assessments. If there is a rapid increase in temps, then please tell us how much hotter it is now than 10 years ago
>I’m not sure where you are getting your information, but it is obvious from your other postings that you read a great deal, I hope you are looking at a variety of sources before forming your final opinion on this
I’m not brainwashed by envirnmarxists or the media.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:43 am
I wasn’t suggesting that you listen to envirnmarxists (whatever that is) and I would never suggest forming a scientific opinion based on anything the media says, they can almost always be counted on to get science wrong.
At any rate, I was trying to have a respectful discussion, but you want to get sarcastic (though thank you for reminding me that we do not live on Venus), never mind.
Tchau
September 17th, 2008 at 8:48 am
if that’s the way you want to avoid having to show just how much hotter it is now because of CO2 i can understand because it is not any more hotter now then it was when theh decade started
its the opposite in fact
September 17th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Very well Vince,
We can pick out a short period and not find a meaningful trend, there are going to be dips and rises in any short term period. The atmosphere is a mighty complex system.
Of more interest would be to take a look at say, the industrial era, i.e. when man first started contributing in a significant way to atmospheric pollution. Go take a look at temperature rise in the past 100 years. Take a look at as many different sources as you want, you will see a pretty obvious trend. And no, that alone does not prove anything either.
At any rate, my intent is not to try to change your mind on this subject, just to try and get you to take a look at a variety of sources, not just the contraian opinions that support your current view.
I do, personally, look at the contrarian views as well – I just don’t give them as much credence as I do the consensus view. If you believe those scientists who support the theory of climate change contributed to by man as being ‘envirnmarxists’, I would suggest you have not seriously considered the possibility that there is real science out there showing that climate change is occurring.
September 17th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Why I’m I not surprised… Right, Republicans are above the law, at least it has been the case in the last 8 years, Karl Rove anyone?
September 17th, 2008 at 9:38 am
“Gas for $10 a gallon.” You can take that up with the libs in congress that don’t want to drill offshore. Oh, I forgot, the house passed a ‘bill’ to drill, but only further thann 50 miles off any coast. Anywhere, except exactly where most of the oil is.
No one with a brain, not even Newt Gingrich, believes this tired, stale fairy tale, so I’m guessing you’re either a Republican operative or you’re employed by an oil company.
September 17th, 2008 at 10:15 am
I’d be far more concerned about this if Mike Wooten (the trooper does have a name) were a credit to his uniform. This doesn’t appear to be the case. From sources on the net and interviews of Mr Wooten it appears that Mike is a alcoholic who uses the power of his badge to bully those he is sworn to protect. Perhaps, just perhaps he deserved to be fired for the safety of others in the community.
September 17th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Interesting that Karl Rove has the same first name as Karl Marx, and the same sense for his own moral and intellectual excellence.
September 17th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Abortion past the age of viability (~24 weeks) is NOT a philosophical or religious argument any more than the “right to choose slavery” is a philosophical or religious argument. It’s a human rights and a scientific argument. Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s moral. There is no substantive difference between a late term baby in utero and a newly born one other than location. Locations do not convey humanity.
Libs can be intellectually dishonest all they wish. Couch it in specious “choice” or “reproductive rights” terms, it is what it is…murder. It is a scourge on this nation just as slavery was.
September 17th, 2008 at 10:39 am
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday is unchanged with John McCain attracting 48% of the vote while Barack Obama earns 47%.
Sarah Palin beats Joseph Biden 47% to 44% in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up for the presidency, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.
September 17th, 2008 at 10:42 am
For Mickey…as soon as a fertilized egg can survive outside the womb with a minimum of assistance I will agree that life begins at conception
September 17th, 2008 at 10:46 am
What do Palin have to hide since she’s so honest? This shows that she used her authority to get what she wants. First she agreed to cooperate and now NO. Why do you think the state employee’s won’t testify well it’s because already the commissioner has gotten fired and they are scared of losing their jobs too it don’t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Seems like a snake in the grass to me!!! And also McCain didn’t won’t to help AIG yesterday but then he changed (soften) on that later and did you right winger see what happened yesterday when Palin finished speaking ppls start leaving. PaPa still don’t have the ppls support to be president that why he sent for his beauty queen to stand beside him as a to enlighten him. OH 6 women’s right groups endorsed OBAMA. And as the Cafferty file states race do play a part because with the way the economy his going if OBAMA was a white male he would be far ahead but God see’s it all. Don’t get me wrong it’s a lot of good intelligent and fair white ppls who see the light. I’M of both race so i myself like OBAMA knows what it’s like to be stepped on for what God race wanted me to be because everything he made was GOOD and very GOOD so therefore know is better than the other.
September 17th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Your bible at its best.
Exodus 35:2 “For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.”
September 17th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Genesis 38:8-10 says “Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so he put him to death also.”
So put to death for not impregnating your brothers wife????? WTF???
September 17th, 2008 at 11:12 am
please stop with your inane pro-life babble. Republicans have demonstrated over and over that it is only an empty rallying call only called upon when no other argument is left. This is the republicans definition of life:
“100,000 civilians deaths since the invasion of Iraq in 2003. The deaths have included a substantial number of children. Carol Bellamy, UNICEF’s Executive Director, has called the death of 34 children in recent bomb attacks “an unconscionable slaughter of innocents.” ”
yeah, protect the fetus, then bomb the he77 out of them when it suits your political needs. You are more concerned with the fetus, than after a child is born. Your concern stops after birth. THAT IS A FACT.
September 17th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies. Like a slug melting away as it moves along, like a stillborn child, may they not see the sun.
— Psalm 58:3, 8
The LORD commands: “kill without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children”
— Ezekiel 9:5-6 “The easy confidence with which I know another man’s religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also”
Mark Twain
September 17th, 2008 at 11:23 am
2Kings 2:23-24
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
hmm, so killing 42 children are alright if they call someone bald??????
September 17th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Judges 19:22-30
A man and his concubine are wandering the streets when they decide to seek shelter for the night, and find a man kind enough to let them stay. That night however, a group of men turn up at the door and demand to see the guest so that they may have sex with him. The owner is unwilling to let his male lodger be raped and so offers up his virgin daughter instead. However, this is still not good enough for the men, so the owner offers them his guest’s concubine and the men accept. The men brutally rape the woman and leave her on the doorstep where she bleeds to death. If that is not enough, when she is found by her husband, he chops her up into twelve pieces which he sends to each of the twelve tribes of Israel.
now that is just disgusting.
September 17th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Foreskin fetish in the bible
1 Samuel 18:25-27
25And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king’s enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.
26And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king’s son in law: and the days were not expired.
27Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king’s son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.
September 17th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Gov Palin the GOP Vice Presidential candidate is not willing to participate in a bi-partisan government ethics investigation. You know this sounds like some else I’ve heard and read some issues about. And all I can say is you can put lip stick on Dick Cheney but he’s still Dick Cheney, Wake up America!
September 17th, 2008 at 11:35 am
“Gov Palin the GOP Vice Presidential candidate is not willing to participate in a bi-partisan government ethics investigation”
she also doesn’t have the fortitude to meet with the press. I guess frail little sarah can’t handle it.
September 17th, 2008 at 11:40 am
As always Republicans are whining again.
They run the most despicable campaigns but everytime the tables are turned they start whining of media biases or unfair treatment.
I think McCain knows in his heart of hearts that if he was a democrat the same people who are parroting for him would be into him on his vietnam records, past marriage and anyother dirt they could secure.
He must be under a tremendous straing knowing in his heart of hearts that he has sold his soul.
As for Palin, so much for transparent government.
She is to meet with world leaders but she can only meet with certain segments of the american society. Sounds a lot like the Bush doctrine to me. LOL
September 17th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
John “Yes, Mickey and Bradley (are you actually two different people?), we liberofascist scum-suckers do believe in all that reality-based stuff like gravity, comparative DNA, arithmetic, geology, mitachondrial DNA and horror of horrors, EVILUSHUN.”
So what you need to complete this is some fanatical religious group that is opposed to science and math.
All major breakthru’s in science over the centuries have been by Christians. NASA couldnt get a rocket to work until a Christian came along to get it right. For years it enfuriated the atheist NASA communities with thier tentacles involved in ruining science. Now NASA is a joke, its not even about science anymore, the goal is worthless projects that do what? add some paragraph in some book about how religion is a lie and mankind evolved from apes. NASA is a state sponsored religion of atheism. Meanwhile Japan and China are leaders in space technology
September 17th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
BRADLEY:
Having an argument with a liberal about God or Christianity is a huge waste of time. They don’t know anything about God or Christianity except they don’t agree with the concept therefore they don’t have any knowledge of the subject. If Catholics took bingo off the menu libs would stop even going there.
There was a time when being a Christian and going to chruch was a good thing. Now, thanks to the left, if you confess to being a christian or a belief in God then you are a freak of nature and you need to be rediculed and made fun of.
September 17th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Genesis 38:8-10 says “Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so he put him to death also.”
So put to death for not impregnating your brothers wife????? WTF???
no, put to death for disobeying Gods direct command in a specific situation
but very provocative quotes Im reading,
2Kings 2:23-24
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
hmm, so killing 42 children are alright if they call someone bald??????
This is an error in translation (the King James version uses expressions we dont use today) These were not small children, the New King James Version correctly writes this as “youths” meaning young men about age 20
In todays culture age 20 represents prime MTV jackass candidates
And you may not have known but shaved head had a significant and disgraceful meaning, expecially for any Prophet. Accusing him of having a shaved head was an insult that people translating this passage dont realize
And saying “go up, go up” ?
if I said to you, go up! would you be so insulted and furious at me so as to call for my execution? no. but why not? why doesnt it insult you?
Another overlooked thing is this was Elisha who is now doing the Lords work. The insults at Elisha were a direct insult at God personally
If you leave out the setting and meaning of the words in fact if you mistranslate the original? how are you expecting to know what was actually written?
September 17th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Lobo, There was a time when being a Christian and going to chruch was a good thing. Now, thanks to the left, if you confess to being a christian or a belief in God then you are a freak of nature and you need to be rediculed and made fun of.
agreed, decades ago being a bible fearing Christian was all American. the 60s sought to destroy that;
In the 90s under Clintons watch I believe America turned away from Christianity more than ever, at the time of 9/11/2001 people went to church and were not ashamed, and this turned culture back to accepting Christianity once again, it helped that GW Bush was an authentic Christian.
by today the liberals have ratcheted up their hatred and scorn for Christianity; but now I think there is more of a solid wall they are not able to push back. More folks into Country Music, NASCAR, etc are not giving up any ground
September 17th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
BRADLEY:
Having an argument with a liberal about God or Christianity is a huge waste of time. They don’t know anything about God or Christianity except they don’t agree with the concept therefore they don’t have any knowledge of the subject.
……………………………..
Actually, liberals believe that conservatives have no more understanding of God than anyone else, just the
presumptuous arrogance that you share with the radical Muslims who you hate so much.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Carry on Bradley and Lobo, wonderful stuff. Hell, we don’t even need to keep egging you on :)
September 17th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
anyone remember when the alaskan pipeline was being built? the spin was it will make oil so cheap that we’ll never have to worry about about the price of oil again. now the answer is “drill here drill now” and that’s now the magic potion. heard that fairy tale before, didn’t believe it then’ don’t believe it now. as usual the only people who will make out will be the oil companies!
September 17th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Sayeth Bradley,
All major breakthru’s in science over the centuries have been by Christians.
Einstein had a breakthrough or two,
and him, not Christian, but agnostic Jew
And that’s the last poetry you will ever see me write : )
And obviously there have been plenty of scientists who were atheists, agnostics, and believers of every faith under the sun. But Einstein is one non Christian that I suppose everyone must be familiar with and who had plenty ‘o breakthroughs.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
About 80-85% of Americans believe in God and call themselves Christians, so I guess it’s not completely a bad thing. Although I don’t go to church regularly and do a lot of things not particularly christian like, I do consider myself a Christian.
I guess I am one of those good ole gun carrying, bible reading guys old big ears was disrespecting. You would think the obamasiah would have more respect than that. Sure hasn’t helped his numbers in some of those areas. But then, he ain’t real bright.
Oh, gee, mckee .. you must have egged me on :)
September 17th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Lobo,
As for Obama, religion and respect:
From Catholics for Obama:
Catholics Outraged by Palin Insults
Palin Continues to Smear Catholic Action
Catholics across the country continue to be outraged by Republican politician Sarah Palin who repeated her smear against Catholic Action by mocking Barack Obama’s service as director of a community group sponsored by the Catholic Campaign for Human Development (an arm of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops) and led by eight Catholic parishes on the South Side of Chicago.
First, the Dallas Morning News gives us the facts on the background:
Starting at age 23, Obama ran a faith-based charity called the Developing Communities Project.
It was made up of eight Catholic parishes when he got there and had one staff member. He was its director, meaning he was in charge. He made decisions about it, including staffing, budgets, etc. And when he left in 1988 to go to law school, he had grown its budget from $70,000 to $400,000, its staff from 1 to 13 people. More important, he created a job training program for this community and a college prep tutoring program.
To describe this service–the first thing he did out of college, the sort of service every college-educated American should perform, in some form or other–as anything other than noble is cheap and tawdry and cynical in the extreme.
America magazine, the national Jesuit weekly, shared in the shock at this repeated attack on Catholic Action.
A Midwestern Catholic leader wrote: In an stunning insult to 76.9 million Americans, another politician continues the republican bias towards Catholics. Sarah Palin’s acceptance speech scoffed at work that her opponent had done in the 1980s for the Catholic Campaign for Human Development.
You would think the Obama haters would be more respectful than that.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
R.E.S.P.E.C.T. Find out what it means to Lobo:
guess I am one of those good ole gun carrying, bible reading guys old big ears was disrespecting. You would think the obamasiah would have more respect than that. Sure hasn’t helped his numbers in some of those areas. But then, he ain’t real bright.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
“R.E.S.P.E.C.T. Find out what it means to Lobo:
guess I am one of those good ole gun carrying, bible reading guys old big ears was disrespecting. You would think the obamasiah would have more respect than that. Sure hasn’t helped his numbers in some of those areas. But then, he ain’t real bright.”
If that kind of talk don’t sound familiar just go back and read about every post you libs post about Sarah Palin and John McCain. In fact, my post was mild in comparison to what most of you people post.
An I’m sure you can find just as many Catholics against obama. They don’t like his abortion stance. You need to get those straws you’re grabbing at a little closer.
Are we all egging now? :)
September 17th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
chuck LUKE 18:9 AND HE SPOKE A PARABLE UNTO A “CERTAIN” WHICH TRUSTED IN THEMSELVES-THAT THEY WERE RIGHTEOUS AND DESPISED OTHERS. RE-DUPED-LICAN; RE-DUPED-AGAIN…THE ACCUSERS IS THE GUILTY ONE: YOU SYCOPHANTIC
September 17th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Lobo said:
…just go back and read about every post you libs post about Sarah Palin and John McCain.
Generalize much?
And I pointed it out because you were specifically talking about respect.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
You WILL find Catholics against Obama just like there are Evangelicals like Jim Wallis who are for him.
As for what “you cons” say:
Radio host Glenn Beck: “[Y]ou know it took me about a year to start hating the 9-11 victims’ families? Took me about a year.” [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program
Rush Limbaugh on the kidnapping of peace activists in Iraq: "I'm telling you, folks, there's a part of me that likes this." [The Rush Limbaugh Show,
Rush Limbaugh: "Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society." [The Rush Limbaugh Show,
Fox News host Sean Hannity ,two months before the November midterm elections: "This is the moment to say that there are things in life worth fighting and dying for and one of 'em is making sure [Rep.] Nancy Pelosi [D-CA] doesn’t become the [House] speaker.”
Beck: “Cindy Sheehan. That’s a pretty big prostitute there, you know what I mean?”
Coulter on Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI): “They Shot the Wrong Lincoln.”
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Beck: “Blowing up Iran. I say we nuke the bastards. In fact, it doesn’t have to be Iran, it can be everywhere, anyplace that disagrees with me.”
Nationally syndicated radio host Neal Boortz on Rep. Cynthia McKinney’s (D-GA) hairstyle: “She looks like a ghetto slut. … It looks like an explosion in a Brillo pad factory.
Rush Limbaugh calling Iraq war vet Paul Hackett a “staff puke,” claiming he went to Iraq “to pad [his] resume,” and attacked him as “a liberal hiding behind a military uniform.”
Former Reagan administration Secretary of Education Bill Bennett: “[Y]ou could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.” [Salem Radio Network's Bill Bennett's Morning in America,
Bill O'Reilly to San Francisco: "[I]f Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we’re not going to do anything about it. … You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.” [Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly,
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Ann Coulter: Bill Clinton "was a very good rapist"; "I'm getting a little fed up with hearing about, oh, civilian casualties"; "I think we ought to nuke North Korea right now just to give the rest of the world a warning." [New York Observer,
Nationally syndicated radio host Neal Boortz on Rep. Cynthia McKinney's (D-GA) hairstyle: "She looks like a ghetto slut. ... It looks like an explosion in a Brillo pad factory.
Coulter responding to Hardball host Chris Matthews' question, "How do you know that [former President] Bill Clinton’s gay?”: “I don’t know if he’s gay. But [former Vice President] Al Gore — total fag.”
September 17th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
NICE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 17th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
BRADLEY:
Having an argument with a liberal about God or Christianity is a huge waste of time. They don’t know anything about God or Christianity except they don’t agree with the concept therefore they don’t have any knowledge of the subject.
OL, did I say that? please show me where. I think you are quoting someone else.
the presumption comes of common sense not arrogance.
It seems okay to compare the Rev Fred Phelps pretending to be of some Christian religion (when he is not) to extremist muslim fanatical leaders, they have a similar message of hate.
Im not being fanatical about Christianity, neither is most of the religious right.
In order for you to make the claim you must have misinformation or errored representation of Christianity, and a willing ignorance or wignorance of the listening crowd
September 17th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
As for what “you cons” say:
Radio host Glenn Beck: “[Y]ou know it took me about a year to start hating the 9-11 victims’ families? Took me about a year.” [Premiere Radio Networks’ The Glenn Beck Program
OL, it didnt take me that long, and it wasnt “ALL” the victims’ families, it was focused on the wicked witches of Eastwick or New Brunswick, whatever it was, it was one of the few things Ann Coulter has gotten right in the last few years.
And Glen Beck? yes he is a far right wing loon like a broken clock is right 2wice a day.
Neal Boortz got the Phil Donahue show cancelled, THANKS NEAL!
September 17th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
WOW!!!! KARL ROVE OWNED ALAN COLMES ON FOX..NO..HE EMBARRASSED HIM! WORSE THAN I DID WHEN I OWNED HIS ASS AND HAD HIM SCREAMING ON HIS GAY RADIO SHOW! HAHAHAHA.
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September 17th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Barack Obama’s Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Connection
Fox News ^ | Sep 16, 2008 | John Gibson
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 18:02:40 by fightinJAG
Freddie and Fannie used huge lobbying budgets and political contributions to keep regulators off their backs.
A group called the Center for Responsive Politics keeps track of which politicians get Fannie and Freddie political contributions. The top three U.S. senators getting big Fannie and Freddie political bucks were Democrats and No. 2 is Sen. Barack Obama.
Now remember, he’s only been in the Senate four years, but he still managed to grab the No. 2 spot ahead of John Kerry — decades in the Senate — and Chris Dodd, who is chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.
Fannie and Freddie have been creations of the congressional Democrats and the Clinton White House, designed to make mortgages available to more people and, as it turns out, some people who couldn’t afford them.
Fannie and Freddie have also been places for big Washington Democrats to go to work in the semi-private sector and pocket millions. The Clinton administration’s White House Budget Director Franklin Raines ran Fannie and collected $50 million. Jamie Gorelick — Clinton Justice Department official — worked for Fannie and took home $26 million. Big Democrat Jim Johnson, recently on Obama’s VP search committee, has hauled in millions from his Fannie Mae CEO job.
September 17th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Obama is crying racism and making people more hateful of whites. Whites are tired of the old racism defense. Obama is a preacher of hate like Rev. Wright and Farakhan. You are not alone their are many brothers and sisters with you. We are tired of the old white plantation owner’s liberal democrats keeping us down. Look at the Asians, Indians, Europeans who are successful. They have not submitted to these liberals and their slave owner doctrines the suppress us with.
September 17th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Ruby,
Are you aware that you make no sense, whatsoever? You fit right in here!
September 17th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
So, the way I understand it, Jimmy Carter implements a plan further corrupting a Roosevelt New Deal socialist federal mortgage insurance program to help the poor disadvantaged uncreditworthy inner city minorities in blighted neighborhoods get taxpayer insured mortgages to purchase the American Dream on easy credit.
And Bill Clinton later puts that program on steroids where the disadvantaged uncreditworthy minorities don’t even need to come up with a down payment or provide adequate evidence of being able to make the payments.
Then big time greedy Democrat Clintonites get themselves established in top management positions within the socialist created quasi-government magic money machines, further corrupting and expanding said risky socialist mortgage backing scheme, and now accounting fraud & corruption runs rampant while the Democrat congressional overseers look the other way.
And when President Bush and Republican Senators, including Senator McCain, raise the alarm and propose plans to reform said corrupt socialist agencies, the Democrats shoot them down.
Eventually, the disadvantaged uncreditworthy no money down buy the American Dream on easy credit debtors default on the loans they couldn’t afford in large numbers causing the housing market to crash, the easy mortgage companies to fail, the banks holding worthless notes to fail, the greedy brokers to fail and the giant insurance companies backing the whole mess crumble.
And now after the inevitable collapse occurs, the Democrats scurry like the rats they are while blaming everyone but themselves. And Senator Reid today says they will do nothing because no one knows what to do. And Senator Barak Hussein Obama chimes in with we can’t fix the problem while steering the same direction. NSS!
How about investigating and prosecuting the corrupt managers, senators and congressmen involved? Could it be because they’re Democrats?
Well, where the hell were they when Bush and McCain wanted to shine a light on the growing problem and reform the agencies while there was still a chance? Where was the great community organizer? Hmmmmmmmm?
September 17th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Franklin Raines former ceo of fannie may looted 100 million dollars from fannie may. He lied and said they had a 10 billion dollar profit when in effect their was none. Guess where he is now? He is Obama’s financial advisor. Their are a half dozen of these thieves all working for him and they are all democrats who gave obama and dodd barney frank pelosi millions.
Obama is a slim ball thief. Of course he will say you are a racist for that. A thief is a theif black or white. I am voting for McCain. Obama tried to screw our military in Iraq working to undermine them.
September 17th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Pro-life babble? Should we stop throwing criminals into the slammer because people are dying around the world? Should slavery as a transcendent moral issue have been swept under the rug because of other moral issues pending in the world?
I love how many liberals obfuscate the late-term baby slaughter issue by talking about war. Should war never be fought? Would we all be speaking German? They are separate issues…killing an innocent human life VERSUS waging war against enemies. Debate the morals of any particular war, but late-term baby killing is immoral in ANY case.
September 17th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
“Neal Boortz got the Phil Donahue show cancelled, THANKS NEAL!
Posted by Bradley
September 17th, 2008 at 7:38 pm:”
How did that happen
September 18th, 2008 at 4:18 am
abortions are wrong, of course they are; however, isn’t it the republican party that wants less government intrusion in the lives of the american people? so why then should the government legislate abortion? people who have abortions will have to live with their choices and face the final judgement.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Obama voted to let aborted babies that survive the abortion to die. His vote said you could not give any medical attention to the baby. They just suffer and die. What kind of a low life piece of human garbage is he? Jill Stanek reports that, while she was a registered nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn Illinois, “babies were being aborted alive and shelved to die in the soiled utility room.” Barack Obama personally orchestrated the defeat of legislation that would have made this illegal in Illinois, and then he lied about it in the bargain. Do a google search on Jill Stanek and you will see she testafied twice befor Obama. Obama is obviously a Muslim they do kill babies
September 18th, 2008 at 10:34 am
colonel,
If you read the bill, and see that the Illinois Medical Society, AND many Republicans called the bill a cheap stunt, and voted with Obama….. But dont’t let the facts get in the way!
But YOUR neocons DID kill babies and children, but it’s OK, because you called them “collateral damage”, and said God was on YOUR side.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:41 am
ah yes, the old task from God routine! please don’t have the arrogance to assume this is what God wants you to do.have the guts to stand up and say that’s what you want to do. of course, soldiers do not want to kill ” collateral damage children.” however, the end result is still the same when you wage war. yes, some wars are necessary,but don’t put those decisions on God, that’s why he gave us free will.
September 18th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Old Lefty is one cynical mean critical lefty. I guess you do not respect our God but yours Karl Marx and the messiah Hussein Obama
September 18th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
“Neal Boortz got the Phil Donahue show cancelled, THANKS NEAL!
Posted by Bradley
September 17th, 2008 at 7:38 pm:”
How did that happen
Neal Boortz was a guest on Phils show, (from a remote location?) and Phil did his usual extremist tangent chasing, I dont recall what was said but Neal had enough, took off his earpiece and walked off.
Some time later as I recall Neal returned as a guest on Phils show to talk about it and Neal got the chance to say what a crackpot extremist Phil is and why he walked off the set. Apparently enough people agreed.
How many folks here want ME to walk away from this website?
September 18th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Gloria,
Actually, Obama probably shows more respect for your God than right wingers who are more like the money changers Jesus threw out of the temple.
The god of the GOP is money.
It would just be nice if the right would learn what socialism and Marxism even meant before throwing the terms around so loosely.
And please learn a little about Marx…..if you do, you will see that your Dear Leader has nationalized more companies than Hugo Chavez.
Obama is more for competitive capitalism than your trickle down people.
It’s funny you have such a problem with Obama’s name but you sure don’t have a problem with Bush doing business with the radicals in Saudi, and the bin Ladin family.
September 18th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Old Lefty is Heir Messiah Obama’s Propaganda minister. If you tell the lie enough times it becomes the truth. Obama is taking huge sums of Middle Eastern money in amounts under $25 so not to be reported. It is estimated in excess of $250 million dollars. Intelligence operatives are reporting The Iranians are saying Obama is their secret weapon. It is very obvious he cannot talk with out a teleprompter. Obama is a puppet for foreign Islamic operatives and George Soros. Wake up America. You do not have to take my word just go by your gut and research his past,
September 18th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Old lefty has been exposed. He is Alan Colmes. You can tell by the way they attack the messenger and never answer the subject. Where I come from we would say they are delusional and useful idiots for the liberal elite who really feel they are the blue bloods of society. We are just ignorant peasants who they can keep down. The elite does not pay taxes because they wrote the tax code. From Kennedy, Kerry to Pelosi, Rangel they have tax-free trusts. They despise Christians and morality because it exposes their deceit and class warfare they invoke upon the various unclean peasant groups. They force public schools on us yet send their children to private schools. We are Americans and we need to expose these ultra leftist snobs including the Obamas. The left likes him be cause he will tax and make it impossible for us to be in their neighborhoods. Palin and McCain are normal family loving people who want the best for our families and for us to succeed. Please search your heart and you will agree.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:36 am
“Palin and McCain are normal family loving people who want the best for our families and for us to succeed. Please search your heart and you will agree.”
Monica, then you’re deliberately blind by the “normalcy” and “family values” that McCain/Palin represent in their real lives: leaving the bulk of child-rearing to other family members or nannies; adultery; divorce; teen pregnancy; drug addiction; theft of drugs from a charity; pretending family members don’t exist; questionable estate handling.
Monica, for a Republican, you sure seem to have an axe to grind against those with wealth.
Republicans usually say they want EVERYONE to be wealthy, but it’s not true. They only want Republicans to retain the bulk of the wealth in this country.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Flash, you really need to provide a reputable link, if you’re going to start shoveling questionable crap like that.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Look Obama is now crying racism about McCain Commercial showing Obama’s financial advisors Franklin Raines and the whose who of Fannie Mayes Corrupt thieves. Every time this FILTHY Lying POLITICAL SCUM Hack Obama gets the light shinned on him he cries racism. Do not forget he called Bill Clinton a racist when Clinton called Obama a liar
September 19th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
The Obama-Raines link:
Since the Washington Post was one of the sources used on the McCain ad, the WP fact-checked it.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/09/obamas_fannie_mae_connection.html
They put the ad in the following category:
“Significant omissions and/or exaggerations. Some factual error may be involved but not necessarily.”
September 19th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
It is concerning that the Clintons and their millions of supporters and Obama hated each other even on the same party line… I just don’t know what to think except McCain/Palin
September 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
I am a black Afro American and I state it as a fact!Obama is a RACIST simple. That is all that comes out of his and his wifes mouth. Rev. Wright preached it for 20 years and Obama does not remeber. Of course not he is part of the Farakhan hate machine. That is the reason Jesse Jackson wanted to cut his balls off. The problem is Obama does not have any. He sold them out to the lobyist at Fanny Mae and Freddie Mack and Middle Eastern Terrorists
September 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
oh, my Franklin! Speak it!
September 19th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Team Obama Has Fingerprints All Over Financial Crisis – Updated
Strata Sphere ^ | Sep 19 2008 | AJStrata
Now we know why Obama wants to raise taxes – to bail out those jerks who tanked our mortgage markets and nearly sent us into a real depression. First off it is good to get a little history on what led to this mess. Michael Reagan does a good job of laying out the story, but this part is worth noting and remembering:
To find the donkey, you need to go back to the Clinton administration, which decided that everybody and his kid brother was entitled to a mortgage even when they didn’t begin to qualify for a home loan.
In saner days, banks designated certain areas as no-loan zones — depressed neighborhoods where lending money to potential home buyers was not just a risky investment, but a certain future foreclosure.
Critics of the practice called it “redlining,” and President Clinton and his chums on Capitol Hill decided that banks should no longer act like banks and lend money only to home buyers who could afford to handle the monthly payments.
Remember, Clinton left office with the economy a mess after the dot.com bubble burst too. This is what happens when you let inexperienced people with radical and naive ideas become president. One of the people key to this mess is Franklin Raines – who has ties to both Clinton and Obama:
Franklin Delano Raines (born January 14, 1949 in Seattle, Washington) is the former chairman and chief executive officer of Fannie Mae who served as White House budget director under President Bill Clinton.
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In 1991 he became Fannie’s Mae’s Vice Chairman, a post he left in 1996 in order to join the Clinton Administration as the Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget, where he served until 1998. In 1999, he returned to Fannie Mae as CEO, “the first black man to head a Fortune 500 company.”[1]
In 2006, the OFHEO announced a suit against Raines in order to recover some or all of the $50 million in payments made to Raines based on the overstated earnings [2] initially estimated to be $9 billion but have been announced as 6.3 billion.[2].
As everyone noted this guy was the first black CEO of a fortune 500 firm it becomes clear we cannot select leaders based on their race, or whether it advances their race. We need to pick leaders based on the content of their character, judgement and plans. Anyway, after setting up this mess and stealing a few million Raines ended giving advice to the Obama campaign.
Even more troubling is the fact that the two top beneficiaries of political donations from failed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the last 9 years were Sen Chris Dodd (#1) and Barack Obama (#2). First off, I cannot fathom how a quasi-government company controlling 100’s of millions of dollars in mortgage payments from Americans across this country can line the pockets of the politicians supposedly overseeing them.
This is criminal. They take our mortgage payments and send some of it to the politicians – all the time running the entire thing into the ground? Folks, they took our mortgage payments, got rich, bribed some pols and sit fat and dumb in million dollar homes – paid for by us. And now we will pay more to fix the mess they left behind. Obama is in this up to his neck, since he got more money than any other senator save one, and he did it while in office only three of the 9 years covered.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Mike Reagan declared that the “Democrats Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson, Jamie Gorelick, Penny Pritzker, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, are robbing the American taxpayer, and Republicans in the House and Senate had been tapped to drive the getaway car. In a political system where well paid Democrat operatives can enrich themselves at the expense of the American people with zero downside, there is no incentive to behave properly, when the taxpayer will bail you out. Enough is enough, bad decisions have consequences and those consquences ought to include indictments and jail time for those who cashed in.”
September 19th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Barack Obama–Lying Rabble Rouser
So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them….”
– Barack Obama, April 2, 2008
Barack Obama has made it clear – he believes gun owners are dangerous and that guns should be banned. If he is elected President, he could name new Supreme Court Justices who will try to overturn the recent court decision and strip our rights away.
Protect your rights. Protecting your rights has never been more important. Register to vote today!
September 20th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Acorn, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Barack Obama’s Finance Chair-Penny Pritzker, All Tied To The Sub-Prime Meltdown
And let’s not forget Barack himself! This is the first portion of mandatory reading. I am posting just a teaser, but please take the time to read the info and email the link to everyone in your address book.
As an executive at Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines illegally coerced his employees to falsify accounting facts so he’d get a maximum bonus. The government-backed firm used Enron-like fraud, in part at Raines’s orders, to create the largest bail-out in US history. Raines had the whistleblower fired. From the Heritage Foundation:
In 2004, after a tip from a whistle blower who was later fired, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (Ofheo) issued a report finding that the government-sponsored entity Fannie Mae had engaged in Enron-like accounting machinations that allowed Fannie to overstate its earnings and underestimate the risk the company faced. The accounting wizardry Fannie engaged in was designed so that Fannie could meet profit targets tomaximize bonus payments to company executives like Clinton administration deputy attorney general Jamie Gorelick and Carter administration assistant director for domestic policy Franklin Raines.
From the ACU:
Following his tenure in Democrat Bill Clinton’s White House as Budget Director, Raines returned to Fannie Mae where he served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer prior to being forced out over accounting fraud allegations that federal authorities claimed were used to pad his own pocket with tens of millions of dollars in un-earned bonuses on top of his multi-million dollar pay. Raines and other top executives drew multi-million dollar salaries at Fannie Mae for many years.
Although he claimed no wrong doing, Raines agreed to settle the suit with the federal government just this year and agreed to pay back a few million of the near $50 million it had been alleged he obtained illegally through bonuses not due from Fannie Mae.
Now, this criminal is Barack Obama’s campaign adviser. Only one member of Congress, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, received more kickbacks from Raines’s Fannie Mae cronies than did Barack Obama–over $120,000 in bribes.
Continue reading and please email the link!
Dan at Protein Wisdom has these must read links:
A Glaring Omission
In the WaPo’s otherwise useful overview of what went wrong with Fannie and Freddie, a curious omission: the four biggest recipients of Fannie and Freddie’s congressional largesse–Dodd, Kerry, Obama and Clinton–are nowhere mentioned, unless one clicks on a …
Continue Reading…
GOP Screwing Up
Fortunately, there are plenty of idiots like Randi Rhodes to keep the fires burning.
ABC’s malicious editing of the Palin interview deserves the coverage it’s getting, but . . .
Meanwhile, Rangel’s skating on his interesting ways and means; the story about …
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Country First
From the WaPo:
Taxpayers face a tab of as much as $200 billion for a government takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the formerly semi-autonomous mortgage finance clearinghouses. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, the Democratic chairman of …
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World Threatens Harshness
if US doesn’t elect the candidate it wants. Oh *yawn* noes!
So you can understand my pessimism. But it’s now combined with a rising frustration. I watch as the Democrats stumble, uncertain how to take on Sarah Palin. …
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Ace:
ACORN! Why did Fannie and Freddie make so many unsound loans?
Because Obama’s buddies in ACORN pressured them to. And then (as the video in a previous post noted) Fannie’s CEO called Barack Obama a member of the “family” and thanked him for pressuring him to make unsound loans.
Which you now have to subsidize.
And Barack Obama’s Finance Chair, Penny Pritzker, has a “special place” in engineering the sub-prime meltdown:
“The [sub-prime] financial engineering that created the Wall Street meltdown was developed by the Pritzkers and Ernst and Young, working with Merrill Lynch to sell bonds securitized by sub-prime mortgages,” Timothy J. Anderson, a whistleblower on financial and bank fraud, told me in an interview.
“The sub-prime mortgages,” Anderson said, “were provided to Merrill Lynch, by a nation-wide Pritzker origination system, using Superior as the cash cow, with many millions in FDIC insured deposits. Superior’s owners were to sub-prime lending, what Michael Milken was to junk bonds.”
This entire scandal has the Democrats’ fingerprints all over it. And Obama’s right in the middle! People need to work for the American Dream. It was never a promise it was a goal. People need to work hard, save money, have good credit and make good choices in order to achieve the dream. That dream has turned into our NATIONAL NIGHTMARE!
September 20th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Acorn, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Barack Obama’s Finance Chair-Penny Pritzker, All Tied To The Sub-Prime Meltdown
And let’s not forget Barack himself! This is the first portion of mandatory reading. I am posting just a teaser, but please take the time to read the info and email the link to everyone in your address book.
As an executive at Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines illegally coerced his employees to falsify accounting facts so he’d get a maximum bonus. The government-backed firm used Enron-like fraud, in part at Raines’s orders, to create the largest bail-out in US history. Raines had the whistleblower fired. From the Heritage Foundation:
In 2004, after a tip from a whistle blower who was later fired, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (Ofheo) issued a report finding that the government-sponsored entity Fannie Mae had engaged in Enron-like accounting machinations that allowed Fannie to overstate its earnings and underestimate the risk the company faced. The accounting wizardry Fannie engaged in was designed so that Fannie could meet profit targets tomaximize bonus payments to company executives like Clinton administration deputy attorney general Jamie Gorelick and Carter administration assistant director for domestic policy Franklin Raines.
From the ACU:
Following his tenure in Democrat Bill Clinton’s White House as Budget Director, Raines returned to Fannie Mae where he served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer prior to being forced out over accounting fraud allegations that federal authorities claimed were used to pad his own pocket with tens of millions of dollars in un-earned bonuses on top of his multi-million dollar pay. Raines and other top executives drew multi-million dollar salaries at Fannie Mae for many years.
Although he claimed no wrong doing, Raines agreed to settle the suit with the federal government just this year and agreed to pay back a few million of the near $50 million it had been alleged he obtained illegally through bonuses not due from Fannie Mae.
Now, this criminal is Barack Obama’s campaign adviser. Only one member of Congress, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, received more kickbacks from Raines’s Fannie Mae cronies than did Barack Obama–over $120,000 in bribes.
Continue reading and please email the link!
Dan at Protein Wisdom has these must read links:
A Glaring Omission
In the WaPo’s otherwise useful overview of what went wrong with Fannie and Freddie, a curious omission: the four biggest recipients of Fannie and Freddie’s congressional largesse–Dodd, Kerry, Obama and Clinton–are nowhere mentioned, unless one clicks on a …
Continue Reading…
GOP Screwing Up
Fortunately, there are plenty of idiots like Randi Rhodes to keep the fires burning.
ABC’s malicious editing of the Palin interview deserves the coverage it’s getting, but . . .
Meanwhile, Rangel’s skating on his interesting ways and means; the story about …
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Country First
From the WaPo:
Taxpayers face a tab of as much as $200 billion for a government takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the formerly semi-autonomous mortgage finance clearinghouses. And Sen. Christopher Dodd, the Democratic chairman of …
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World Threatens Harshness
if US doesn’t elect the candidate it wants. Oh *yawn* noes!
So you can understand my pessimism. But it’s now combined with a rising frustration. I watch as the Democrats stumble, uncertain how to take on Sarah Palin. …
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Ace:
ACORN! Why did Fannie and Freddie make so many unsound loans?
Because Obama’s buddies in ACORN pressured them to. And then (as the video in a previous post noted) Fannie’s CEO called Barack Obama a member of the “family” and thanked him for pressuring him to make unsound loans.
Which you now have to subsidize.
And Barack Obama’s Finance Chair, Penny Pritzker, has a “special place” in engineering the sub-prime meltdown:
“The [sub-prime] financial engineering that created the Wall Street meltdown was developed by the Pritzkers and Ernst and Young, working with Merrill Lynch to sell bonds securitized by sub-prime mortgages,” Timothy J. Anderson, a whistleblower on financial and bank fraud, told me in an interview.
“The sub-prime mortgages,” Anderson said, “were provided to Merrill Lynch, by a nation-wide Pritzker origination system, using Superior as the cash cow, with many millions in FDIC insured deposits. Superior’s owners were to sub-prime lending, what Michael Milken was to junk bonds.”
September 20th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Mistress of Disaster: Jamie Gorelick
By C. Edmund Wright
Ken Lay and Jack Abramoff must be green with envy over the all the mischief that has been accomplished by Jamie Gorelick, with scarcely any demonization in the press.
Imagine playing a central role in the biggest national defense disaster in 50 years. Imagine playing a central role in one of the biggest economic disasters in your country’s history. Imagine doing both as an un-elected official. Imagine getting filthy rich in the process, and even being allowed to sit self-righteously on a commission appointed to get to the bottom of the first disaster, which of course did not get to the bottom of that disaster or anything else for that matter.
Imagine ending, ruining or at least causing signficant quality deterioration in the lives of millions of people, most of whom will never know your name. Imagine counting your millions of dollars while people who tried to stop you from causing all this mayhem were getting blamed for most of the ills you actually contributed to.
Well, as un-imagineable as this is, there is one American who doesn’t have to imagine it. One Jamie Gorelick is this American. And without pretending that she caused the loss of countless thousands of lives and countless billions of dollars of wealth by herself, she certainly did push some of the early domino’s in catastrophic chain events that are a major factors in life in America today.
This is not a bad millineums’s work, when you think about it. Gorelick, an appointee of Bill Clinton, is the one who constructed the wall of separation that kept the CIA and the FBI from comparing notes and therefore invading the privacy of nice young men like, say, Muhammed Atta and Zacarius Moussaoui. While countless problems were uncovered in our intelligence operations in the wake of 9-11, no single factor comes close to in importance to Jamie Gorelick’s wall.
In fact, it was Gorelick’s wall, perhaps more than any other single factor, that induces some people to blame Clinton himself for 9-11 since he appointed her and she acted consistent with his philosophy of “crime fighting.” She put the wall into place as Deputy Attorney General in 1995.
And for good measure, she was appointed by Tom Daschle to serve on the “non partisan” 9-11 Commission. And we thought the fox in the henhouse was simply a metaphor. Of course, in a splendid example of “reaching across the aisle,” feckless Republican Slade Gorton of Washington did all he could to exonerate Gorelick in the commission. Thanks, Slade. God forbid the nation actually knows the truth.
But for Ms. Gorelick, one earth shaking catastrophe is just not enough. You might think that she caused enough carnage to us infidels on 9-11 as to qualify her for the 72 virgins upon her death. (this would also keep her consistent with several of Clinton’s philosophies).
Alas, that’s only part of her resume. Her fingerprints are all over the Fannie Mae-Freddie Mac mess, which is to say the mess that is central in the entire mortgage-housing crisis. Without so much as one scintilla of real estate or finance experience, she was appointed as Vice Chairman of Fannie Mae in 1997 and served in that role through 2003, which is when most of the systemic cancers that came home to roost today happened. She was instrumental in covering up problems with Fannie Mae while employed there and took multiple millions in bonuses as she helped construct this house of cards.
From Wikipedia:
One example of falsified financial transactions that helped the company meet earnings targets for 1998, a “manipulation” that triggered multimillion-dollar bonuses for top executives. On March 25, 2002, Business Week Gorelick is quoted as saying, “We believe we are managed safely. Fannie Mae is among the handful of top-quality institutions.” One year later, Government Regulators “accused Fannie Mae of improper accounting to the tune of $9 billion in unrecorded losses”
As we know, the financial damage done by the housing related problems in this country are still incalculable. Ms. Gorelick’s evil tab is still growing.
But it doesn’t stop there. She managed to be on the wrong side of the Duke LaCrosse case, working for Duke University to protect that school from it’s damaging knee jerk reactions to the spectacularly unbelievable charges filed by a stripper. (excuse me, exotic dancer). So, even on a smaller scale, she continues to make money while working to ruin the lives of innocent Americans in defense of liberal dogma. At the Department of Defense, when she served as legal counsel there in 1993, she drafted the “Don’t ask /don’t tell” policy.
From what can be gleaned, it all comes from being well connected. She was educated (is that what they call it?) at Harvard undergrad and Harvard Law. From there, she kept getting appointed to positions above her experience level where she could flex her liberal muscles, add a resume item, and move upward.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Old Lefty read this and thank God you were not a fetus around Huessain Mohamad Obama. Liberals love government handouts so they kill the unborn to stop the competition. Of course Obama will say it is racist when he is exposed for the cold hearted S.O.B. he is!
If It Was Up to Obama, This Woman Would be Dead
Townhall.com ^ | September 20, 2008 | Doug Giles
Posted on Sunday, September 21, 2008 06:46:53 by Kaslin
No, I’m not talking about Sarah Palin, I’m talking about Gianna Jessen.
If it was up to the abominable Obama, the to-be-aborted little baby, Gianna Jessen, would have been turned into worm dirt 31 years ago. Thankfully, Mr. Change and Mr. Hope wasn’t around back then to lay his liberal legislative death-dealing pen to Ms. Jessen’s fate—and the world is a better place for it.
So, who is Gianna Jessen?
Gianna is an abortion survivor. Yep, she kicked death’s butt and survived against all odds. Her medical records state that she was “born during a saline abortion,” and if Barack Obama would have had his way, she wouldn’t be here.
Barack Obama voted four times against affording these “born alives” their most basic human right. Chilling, eh? How progressive of you, liberals. Hitler would be proud, and I’m sure Satan is just giddy with your creative ways to slay that inconvenient little baby even if it survives your initial assault.
Jessen, with a Pit Bull spirit, survived being burned alive in saline solution for eighteen hours. Eighteen hours, ladies and gents! FYI: This is not the same saline solution you use to clean your contacts but a lethal cocktail of death intended to cook the unborn kid from the inside out.
Weighing in at 2 lbs at birth with cerebral palsy (thanks to the effects of the witch’s brew she stewed in), the gloomy doctors said little Gianna would never be able to hold up her head, sit up, crawl or walk.
God had different plans.
Not only did she hold her head up, sit, crawl and walk, but she has run in two twenty-six mile marathons and has spoken all over the world, on TV, in churches and on college campuses about the power of God and the sanctity of life. Put that in your stupid pipe and smoke it, all-wise and all-knowing doctors.
Liberals love being painted as the defender of the underdog. Yeah, if you feel like you are being abused, oppressed, preyed upon, neglected, entitled to something or endangered in any way . . . do not fear! The Dems are here! Their protection extends not only to the human victim, but also to the translucent hair lice, the gargling nut warbler, a warming globe, a rare venereal crab, and a whooping crane’s egg.
Yep, the liberals will ramp up to Mach2, set their hair on fire, and fight, yell, picket, protest and blog their fingers bloody for animal rights and for your rights—that is unless, of course, you’re an unborn child.
It is with the unborn baby that the “protectors of the weak” morph into the party that wreaks havoc upon the truly helpless. It’s interesting to see misty-eyed liberals go quasi-Talibanic for the little animal while they have absolutely no qualms whatsoever endorsing the snuffing out of the life of a tiny unborn human.
One of the reasons the barbaric left uses to convince themselves that they’re right on the issue of killing that inconvenient “little bugger” (as one of their own calls it) is that it is not yet a person.
Something that is really wrecking the “protectors of the weak” BS campaign of killing unborn kids, however, is ultrasound imagery (Oops. Didn’t see that coming, now did you?). These pics and videos are screwing up things for the pro-choicers. Back in the day when they were selling us on the “fetal blob” stuff, all we had at our disposal to contradict their nonsense was common sense and a very grainy 2D sonogram.
With the use of ultrasound imaging increasing daily, how a person can say that an unborn baby is not yet a person and can be killed at Mommy Dearest’s discretion is barbarically beyond me. I guess the left and the pink conservatives callous their hearts to the unborn by rejecting a proposition central to Judeo-Christian thought regarding life and death: namely, that human life (beginning at conception and lasting until the person naturally croaks) is intrinsically good and thus sacred—not just instrumentally good.
In contrast with the secular “elite,” the “stupid,” “non-elite” and “archaic” Judeo-Christian constituency believes that all people—from the embryo to the elderly, including severely developmentally disabled, people in comas and everyone in between—have dignity and value. As Robert George said, “Their significance is not based upon what they can do, or how they make us feel or whether or not we approve of their quality of life, but principally because they live.”
And yet, these secular barbaric “tools” see human beings as tools; and if they don’t somehow fit instrumentally within the secularists’ Darwinian, utilitarian utopia, they get tagged as “inconvenient” and are relegated to the “very expendable” list. That’s why abortion is no big deal, and neither is taking the life of a so-called defective child, or suicide, or “mercy killing” a helpless senior. But God help you if you should ever run a boat’s prop over a manatee’s back! They’ll get pissed!
Not only does Obama’s Party of Death (as Ramesh Ponnuru calls the libtards) advocate the death of the unborn and the inconvenient, but they also want your tax dollars to pay for their death wishes, for all parents to butt out of their teenage daughter’s abortion plans, and for the US to continue to stay left of Europe when it comes to abortion on demand. Consider all the above when you cast your vote in November, those of you on the left and the right who cherish the unborn more than a sea cow.
For all the 411 on Gianna Jessen and what she’s up to, go to http://www.BornAliveTruth.org. Send her money, watch her videos, play her radio spots and help her wake our nation up to Barack’s barbaric beliefs.
September 21st, 2008 at 10:23 am
Much more concerned with what Obama is hiding.
Can’t say it is a good day for America when it’s only black President wins an election with a preponderance of black citizens in jail. Rather diminishes the logic of winning if not the purpose.
If people concentrated more upon America’s safety than on the gossip and persona of the President to be, America might have a road back to its former glory.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
“If people concentrated more upon America’s safety than on the gossip and persona of the President to be, America might have a road back to its former glory.”
Posted by Pat
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I agree 100%!
We would NEVER have had Bush, and it would be a landslide for Barack.
But unfortunately, many people vote on the last rumor they heard, just like in 2000, in S Carolina, McCain lost because the Bush campaign did push polls saying he had an illegitmate blac baby.
Sadly, McCain is using the same tactics now.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:30 pm