Another Lie: Obama Voted To Raise Taxes 94 Times
September 18th, 2008, 3:48 PM EDT
McCain’s campaign and the Repubulican National Committee keep putting this out there. It’s a lie. FactCheck.org breaks down these “tax increase” votes”
- Twenty-three were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all; they were against proposed tax cuts.
- Seven of the votes were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, while raising them on a relative few, either corporations or affluent individuals.
- Eleven votes the GOP is counting would have increased taxes on those making more than $1 million a year – in order to fund programs such as Head Start and school nutrition programs, or veterans’ health care.
- The GOP sometimes counted two, three and even four votes on the same measure. We found their tally included a total of 17 votes on seven measures, effectively padding their total by 10.
- The majority of the 94 votes – 53 of them, including some mentioned above – were on budget measures, not tax bills, and would not have resulted in any tax change. Four other votes were non-binding motions related to conference report negotiations.
I understood Sarah Palin to say Obama chose to vote “not on the side of the people” 94 times. I hope you are just playing the devil’s advocate on H&C because I don’t think you could really be that dumb.
September 18th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
I am not disputing this, but I believe I will hold off for another opinion on this. FactCheck is not always the most reliable source for fact checking. They tend to work a little harder and look a little deeper if the fact is against the right. Understandably so, since the guy that started it (Brooks Jackson) worked for the Associated Press, Wall Street Journal, and CNN, all of which leans far to the left. They call themselves a nonpartisan group, but I don’t buy that.
Before you say I’m crying liberal bias, stop and think what you would do if Karl Rove started a fact check operation and honestly tell me you would buy it. Didn’t think so.
September 18th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
“I understood Sarah Palin to say Obama chose to vote “not on the side of the people” 94 times. I hope you are just playing the devil’s advocate on H&C because I don’t think you could really be that dumb.”
You are right … he’s not … and he is.
September 18th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Lobo – Wall Street Journal leans far left? You do know that it’s owned by Rupert Murdoch, right? I’d like to respectfully ask where you buy the crack you’re smoking?
September 18th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Linda…I’m exactly as dumb as I appear on H&C.
September 18th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
“Lobo – Wall Street Journal leans far left? You do know that it’s owned by Rupert Murdoch, right? I’d like to respectfully ask where you buy the crack you’re smoking?”
I was just thinking the same thing. There was a study from a conservative think-tank at UCLA that concluded it was “far left,” but then again they also found the Drudge Report to be “left of center.” So there you go.
Maybe Palin didn’t say “Voted At Least 94 Times For Higher Taxes,” but the RNC put out a press release on June 9th which has that phrase in writing. Regardless of what you think of factcheck.org, the RNC would be hard-pressed to deny much of what is in the factcheck.org story. The evidence is on factcheck’s side.
September 18th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Rick,
I remember a few years ago the WSJ had two news articles:
One about The American General who was in charge of the new Afgan army, and could not get money from the DOD to pay their salaries. The French kicked in the so many millions to pay them.
The other article was about the high numbers of sorties
the French flew with us in Afganistan.
The op-ed pages, on the other hand, were decrying the French betraying us by not going into Iraq, and why we need “freedom fries”.
I guess the facts are liberal, the opinions are conservative.
September 18th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
“Lobo – Wall Street Journal leans far left? You do know that it’s owned by Rupert Murdoch, right? I’d like to respectfully ask where you buy the crack you’re smoking?”
No, actually I don’t smoke crack or anything else. I am a smoke free enterprise. Did you realize?
“It’s perhaps not a surprise that those working for NBC Universal are the most eager givers to the Democrats, racking up $104,184 in contributions this cycle, compared to just $3,150 to Republican candidates. Maybe more surprising is that those at Fox broadcasting and the Fox News Channel combined to give $41,853 to the Democrats, with no listed donations going to the Republicans. (Only $1,280 was listed as coming from Fox News employees.)”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/07/24/medias-campaign-donations-tilt-100-1-favor-democrats
Yes, the Wall Street Journal leans to the left. Spend some time and read some of their articles and postings.
September 18th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Lobo, I actually don’t think you’re smoking crack. I copied-and-pasted a post previous to mine and should have removed the personal attack…
September 18th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Lobo – the reason the Fox News Channel employees’ contributions to the Republicans don’t show up as the are treated as tithes…
September 18th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
“Lobo – the reason the Fox News Channel employees’ contributions to the Republicans don’t show up as the are treated as tithes…”
Don’t know what that has to do with anything, but if you say it’s so, so will I.
September 18th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
“Yes, the Wall Street Journal leans to the left. Spend some time and read some of their articles and postings.”
……………………………………….
I simply don’t believe ANYONE when they say the media is liberal.
I think they are simply repeating talking points.
When the facts get in the way, call them “liberal bias”.
September 18th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Lobo suggests,
Yes, the Wall Street Journal leans to the left. Spend some time and read some of their articles and postings.
I read the WSJ daily (the only web news source worth paying for, IMO)
The WSJ editorial page leans to the right (not National Review right, but definitely right).
The WSJ news pages are among the more neutral sources out there.
September 18th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Obama is crying racism and making people more hateful of whites. Whites are tired of the old racism defense. Obama is a preacher of hate like Rev. Wright and Farakhan. You are not alone their are many brothers and sisters with you. We are tired of the old white plantation owner’s liberal democrats keeping us down. Look at the Asians, Indians, Europeans who are successful. They have not submitted to these liberals and their slave owner doctrines the suppress us with.
September 18th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Gloria, or Rudy, or whoever,
You posted basically the same hoo-ha yesterday under the name Rudy.
Get some new material.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
So Gloria sounds a bit racist as she accuses Obama of crying racist.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
As a Mexican American I am offended by Obama. He thinks we are stupid with his promises that he will never keep. Obama looks down his nose at us. I implore my fellow Mexican Americans to vote for an honest man vote McCain. Obama is a paid hack for the unions. Sara Palin is a normal woman who understands families and middle class people. Obama send his children to a private school and insists us peons go to a public school. He is more concerned for the teachers’ union money than us Mexican American peons. He is a racist who tries to make us believe Republican are prejudice.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Rosita, or Gloria, or Rudy, or whatever,
Yawn
September 18th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Rosita you have got to be kidding me…
September 18th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Rosita’s on piece work – 25c a post on every evul luberull blog she can find…
September 18th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Gloria and Rosita are phonies.
Didn’t we just have phonies who were basically cartoon caricatures of black women saying the same things, displaying evidence that they have NEVER met black people?
September 18th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
WSJ leans to the left. Everyoe in business knows it, that’s why most reputable brokers only read the gray box on page 1.
You must not have any business experience otherwise, you would have known that.
Impartial business news = IBD
If anyone has any money by the end of the week. Look at what Clinton and Greenspan have accomplished, think of the joy in store waiting for us by Barry when he comes on board.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
You must insult and call names because you can not defend your self or Hussan Obama. You are predjuidice against woman and Latinos. Perhaps you can explain your self with out name calling. I am a 4th generation Mexican American whoese husgand fought in World War 2 Krean war and Viet-nam. I have two sons who are Federal Agents and a daughter who is a Federal Judge.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
I think Most media is slanted towards Republicans,
A few examples:
Former Cheney communications director, Cathie Martin testified that;
“I suggested we put the vice president on ‘Meet the Press,’ which was a tactic we often used,” Martin testified. “It’s our best format.”
She wrote,
Option 1: “MTP-VP,” then listed the pros and cons of a vice presidential appearance on the Sunday show. Under “pro,” she wrote: “control message.”
Republican pollster Frank Luntz said, “A compelling story, even if factually inaccurate, can be more emotionally compelling than a dry recitation of the truth.”
Sumner Redstone, CEO of CBS ’s parent company Viacom, made an unusual political statement at a gathering of corporate leaders in Hong Kong (Asian Wall Street Journal, 9/24/04):
I don’t want to denigrate Kerry… but from a Viacom standpoint, the election of a Republican administration is a better deal. Because the Republican administration has stood for many things we believe in, deregulation and so on. The Democrats are not bad people…. But from a Viacom standpoint, we believe the election of a Republican administration is better for our company.
Redstone repeated these sentiments in an interview with Time (10/4/04):
There has been comment upon my contribution to Democrats like Senator Kerry. Senator Kerry is a good man. I’ve known him for many years. But it happens that I vote for Viacom. Viacom is my life, and I do believe that a Republican administration is better for media companies than a Democratic one.
All of these news outlets you mention have ALWAYS been center to right.
It’s just propaganda that they are left leaning.
Conservatives admit it among themselves:
~ Richard Bonn, former RNC chair said,
“There is some strategy to bashing the liberal media…if you watch any great coach,what they do is try to ‘work the refs’. Maybe the ref will cut you some slack the next time”.
~ Bruce Bartlett said in NRO: “the idea that the media tilts towards liberals is absurd.”
This myth of a “liberal media” is just there to manipulate the people.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Rosita,
You sound EXACTLY like the “Tryisha” of a week or so back saying the same things, just plug in black woman.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Rosita you make me sick – with your pitiful “Don’t pick on the Latinos” garbage. My family consists of PhD’s, Federal Judges, Mayors and a State Representative. My brother fought in VietNam and came home in a BOX! And my point is? I’m a female latino and Sarah Palin is one huge joke. “Miss Piggy Lips Palin”, (Piggy because of all her Alaska pork and lips – well everyone knows she started that)needs to be sent to Mexico with the rest of you losers. Rosita there’s a lot of road out there, why don’t you grab yourself a piece of it and keep on going.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Crazy Conservative lives up to his name:
Everyoe in business knows it, that’s why most reputable brokers only read the gray box on page 1.
I would say all reputable brokers turn elsewhere than WSJ for pure investment news purposes.
And everyone in business thinks the WSJ leans to the left. Really? The fact that many on the right have defined ‘left’ as anything not far, far right wing probably makes you think that, within your apparently limited number of associates. To say that ‘everyone’ in business thinks WSJ leans left is simply untrue.
You must not have any business experience otherwise, you would have known that.
I’m not sure who that was aimed at, but I can assure you that I do, in fact, have business experience. Enough to know that the WSJ is not an investment journal, for example. But rather a general news source, with a business (including investment) perspective. Furthermore, if you have the view that there is a monolithic right wing view in the world of business, I would say your experience is likely limited to a single company. Perhaps you are almost finished with an internship?
Impartial business news = IBD
Investors Business Daily is OK, for what it is. But WSJ has much more interesting general news coverage, whereas IBD is investment focused. For that, I prefer Barrons (yup, same publisher as WSJ).
You really are comparing IBD to the wrong competitor. It’s competition is Barrons, not WSJ. And it is not as good as Barrons, either.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
You want a compilation of all material before investing on the Street.
It was aimed at you. Do you not know when someone is conversing with you? Are you not that saavy and riddled with common-sense as all good socialists think they are?
Did I mention Barron’s? I know the publishing company. I don’t need you to educate me about the Street and investment publications.
Unless you made 25 million in the market shorting this week–don’t lecture me. I don’t care what you prefer.
By the way, impartial advice when making stock selections is what you want. By you making that statement, I have the answer to my wonder, if you made 25 million this week.
And don’t italicize everything. It’s annoying. If you can’t remember from one blog to the next, take memory enhancing medication.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
I made 125,294,074.34 this week. I’m loving this week.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Crazy,
And you have answered my question as to whether you had almost finished your internship, clearly you are still in B. School (or maybe High School).
Best of luck in securing that internship.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Damn Vince!
Hook me up with some of that cheddar! You know I’m always looking for a hand out ; )
September 18th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Thanks Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You didn’t tell me how much you made this week? I made money.
Who’s in their internship now?
September 18th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Excellent Vince… tell me how you did it. I’m hooking up with your trading style…leave these poor, pathetic libs to wallow in there muck.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
ALAN, DO YOU RESPOND TO QUESTIONS OR NOT?
IN THE OTHER ACCUSATION OF LIES YOU DONT SUPPORT EVEN ONE, CLAIM ONE.
WHY THEN POST THIS EMPTY CLAIM AGAIN?
BACKUP YOUR CLAIM OF OBAMA TEACHING SEX ED TO KINDERGARTNERS BEFORE THE NEXT ROUND OF MUDSLINGING
September 18th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Crazy comes back:
Because everyone knows that people in ‘business’ run around bragging to everyone else how much they made this week, right?
Ok… so not B. School, and it doesn’t sound like you are in High School, I’m going to go with Grade School?
It isn’t really making money when daddy gives you an allowance, Crazy. Sure, your parents are making you do chores, and giving you a fixed amount each week to teach you the value of the dollar, but you didn’t really ‘make’ money. You were given it.
Their dirty little secret is that they will probably give you your allowance whether you take out the garbage or not.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Both parents are deceased.
Again, the blue bars-just as annoying.
Why are you getting flustered? We’re just conversing. I love libs-their so emotional. Um, is it your time of month?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
The SEC is considering suspending Short Selling
September 18th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Vince,
The SEC is considering suspending Short Selling
I heard about the new disclosure rules, but I hadn’t heard they were considering suspending shorting. I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and calm down.
I remember your post earlier about congress adjourning without doing anything about this, to be honest I was relieved. Now that Pelosi is wanting to keep congress in session, I shudder to think what these politicians who know very little about this stuff will do in the name of ‘helping’ (and making it look like they are doing something).
I fear it is going to be a wild ride.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
They are cosidering banning shory selling in the Financial Sector. England did the same thing today. Atleast that what I heard in the news.
Who cares how many times Obbamma voted for tax increases. His tax plan is Welfare to the 40% of Americans who don’t pay a dime.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
UC: Nancy is going back to Congress? Damn.. Americans’ freedom and prospertiy is never safe whenever Congress is in session.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Vince,
Well, as far as the markets go, I would rather they leave it to the professionals. This is going to be a bunch of posturing, especially considering we are so close to elections.
From the ABC news web site:
September 18th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
One day, in Mid 2003, I was hanging out at the assisted living facility for the elderly, visiting. A sweet gentleman sat down and said, ” Deary, If they elect George Bush for a second term, We will be in a Depression at the end of his term. I lived through the depression and if you had $20.00 in your pocket you were considered rich” His word have flown back to me these last few days. I wish now, I would of asked more questions. All I did was say was,” Okey Doke. Bless your heart.”
September 18th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Deborah, when Bush was elected way back in ‘00, I thought, “Well…As long as we can just maintain the momentum of the last 8 years, and as long as nothing of a global nature comes up to which we must respond….”
And then 9/11 hit.
For that reason alone, I’m not ready to reprise, imitate, or extend the last 8 years of Bush.
Anymore, I’m not even sure it’s McCain’s or Palin’s fault. I think it’s the Neocon and religious factions that are taking the party down, exactly as Goldwater said.
Where’s Bob & Liddy Dole, by the way? Too liberal? Apparently so.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Alan Combes – This is directed at YOU! You are without a
shred of doubt the biggest boor I’ve ever seen! I watch
the show you share with Shawn Hannity, and I use the word
“share” loosely. When any of your guests appear on camera
and give an opinion that differs from your grossly liberal
view, you interrupt them and / or shout them down. Shawn
Hannity, on the other hand, even if his opinion differs
from the guest, at least gives them a chance to make their
respective point. Are you so insecure in your beliefs
that you can’t even entertain an opinion that differs from
yours? I know how to shut you up! When ever you open
your mouth to interrupt a guest, I just hit the mute
button on my remote. I will continue to do that until
you can learn to wait your turn. You need to take
lessons in the art of conversation. You will probably
ignore this email, as you are probably offended at what
I have said. Lets just see how courages you are! Email
me if you dare!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Wow Dan that was kinda rough, but i would not say Alan is a boor he is more like a broken record harping over and over on the same tired crap like it being years and years of republican mistakes that are the cause of the problems we are facing right now. But dose any one look back on the six years before 2006 when the demacrats took the majority, gas and food prices were not totaly out of control, the housing market was basicly ok, and there were no major banks going under, even imployment was stable. But in the last two years America has just gone to crap.As a registerd independant i really hope we dont end up with a demacratic president i dont think the country could withstand it. God bless America and you Dan shun the partys and come stand with WE THE PEOPLE.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Just another loudmouth Republican who closes his eyes and shuts his ears to alternative viewpoints.
Dan, do you hang out with Aryan Nationals, too? Like Hannity?
And Joe Z: “As a registerd independant i really hope we dont end up with a demacratic president i dont think the country could withstand it.”
The country was never better, in my 38 years, than under Bill Clinton, and I never voted for him. I saw the nation go to hell after 9/11, and I fail to see how anyone sane can vote for another extension of the Bush administration.
“Shunning both parties and standing for “…..Who? We the people? The disenfranchised, superiority-complex people, maybe.
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:12 am