McCain Takes The Low Road After All
It’s already been established that Sarah Palin is McCain’s designated pit bull. But the gutter is deepening and the campaign seems more desparate as it brings up months-old canards that didn’t make dents in Obama’s popularity during previous attempts to spread them. Palin is being used to proffer personal attacks on Obama saying for example, that he is guilty of “palling around with terrorists.”
We already know that McCain campaign manager Rick Davis believes this campaign is not about issues. Allowing Palin to make personal attacks on Obama proves that they want to avoid talking about issues at all costs. And, given how things are going in the country, who can blame them?
“[Obama] is not a man who sees America as you and I do – as the greatest force for good in the world. This is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country,” she told the applauding crowd.
See? Forget about the issues. Obama sees a different Amerca. (Translation: He hates our country). The New York Post. Obama goes after McCain on his health care plan while McCain has Palin out there going after Obama’s personal integrity. As the conservative New York Post charts it:
Obama did not vote 94 times for higher taxes, and it has been thoroughly researched that his vote on abortion was to protect a woman’s right to choose, when there was already a law in place in Illinois protecting infants who survived botched abortions.
Sadly, the John McCain who said, “I will not take the low road to the highest office in this land,” is allowing his running mate to do it for him. Just in case you forgot, Senator McCain, here is a reminder:
IF; it was McCain that [paled] around with the weather underground UNREPENTANT BOMBER, the leftist [amerikans] would give him a pass, RIGHT ?
WRONG !
October 5th, 2008 at 11:02 am
I wonder if Karl Rove will apologize on his beathbed like Lee Atwater?
October 5th, 2008 at 11:03 am
You know we don’t have to go back that far in history to tie McCain to a Unrepentant Leader who the Right elected and who had caused the death of so many Americans in an Illegal war founded in lies. I wonder why the GOP has yet to address this? How many days has it been since Bush stood on an aircraft carrier and declared “Mission Accomplished”. And How many of our Americans have died since then? I think we need to really define what terrorism is. Just because a “white man” attacks a “brown country” doesn’t excuse it from being terrorism.
October 5th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Doesn’t the Alaskan Independence loony party support domestic terrorism also?
October 5th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Distraction by attack is a 20th century tactic that worked when the news cycle was almost over 24 hours. Today, the news cycle is about 15 minutes (if you’re lucky to get that much time) and it is a different field of battle. In other words, the facts of 159,000 jobs last month and a total job loss of over 750,000 jobs this year overshadows who knew who, and who did what 50 or 60 years ago.
October 5th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
‘McCain is just going down the road that folks like Lee Atwater and Karl Rove paved paved.’
October 5th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
McCain is turning out to be the cartoon of “Old Man Yells At Cloud” headline. He was in Iowa talking to a liberal editorial board from a liberal newspaper while Michigan was slipping away. His campaign is looking at the crease in the map to determine the direction of the doomed campaign. Devolution from the Karl Rove brain to his “kids”, who are running his campaign into the ground. His new strategy is to “wave the flag of surrender” to his own honor as a candidate and leader as he allows Barbie on crack to spew the garbage at the clear leader on the issues. Sad commentary for a man who deserves better. John McCain has served this country well, but his time is past.
October 5th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Attack? How about an issue of holding to an oath? Is that important? Is fidelity important? If you want to talk relationships, what about McCain’s relationship with his first wife and the oath of fidelity he took?
Ayers is old news like McCain’s first wife and his failure to live up to an oath (a REAL American value) he took in the name of God. Let it go.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
POUND IT HOME ! OBAMA hangs with an unrepentant terrorest [wm ayers] and [rev wright] the Amerikan G D’ER ! [he ain't no reverend!]
He’ll probably pardon O J .
October 5th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Nope, he’ll probably forgive the McCain campaign for sacrificing the last shreds of honor that John had. Sad commentary, sad.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
So if the republicans run attack ads we are taking the low road, but if the dems run attack ads they are pointing out things the repubs don’t want to talk about but the American people need to know about.
How very hypocritical.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
well, they haven’t raised Keating and talked about how McCain was his great buddy, and they haven’t talked about how McCain betrayed the sacred oath he gave his first wife…..nope…they haven’t used those. Now, I may mention them to you, but I find myself in a pit of snakes…and “I aint no Indiana Jones”….speaking of Indiana, have you noticed the polls in that republican stronghold? Did ya catch that SNL last night, ahh shucks, gee, ya betcha.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
“We already know that McCain campaign manager Rick Davis believes this campaign is not about issues.”
You know, as much as YOU WISH…
No, we know it because Davis said so.
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“…Chicago Allenburg Challenge…”
So I’m guessing you keep changing the spelling to make things difficult on people who might look up all these wild-eyed fantasies you keep mentioning.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Alan-
Based on your recent statements concerning Sarah Palin’s child, your intellectual capacity pales in comparison to a Down Syndrome child.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
What’s going on October 13th?
October 5th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
If [they] can link McCain to bush [4 more years of a Bush administration], then its ok to LINK Obama to the terrorists weathermen and rev. wright ! RIGHT ?
OK WHY NOT ?!
October 5th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
What’d you have for lunch O J ? LOLLLL .
October 5th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
ETAL,
the whole child, Palin family thing, is a distraction from the issues of the campaign. Don’t fall for it.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
While that old erratic bat and that retarded moron they call PaLIAR takes the low road, here is what Obama said today:
With just a month to go until election day, I know you’ve all been hearing a lot about politics out here in North Carolina. I know you’ve been seeing a lot of ads, and getting a lot of calls, and reading a lot about this election in the newspaper.
But none of you need the papers, or ads on TV, or folks like me to tell you what this election is all about. You know what’s at stake. You’re living it.
Here in Asheville, and across America, you’ve seen your incomes go down as the price of just about everything has gone way up. It’s harder to pay the bills. Harder to send your kids to college. Harder to save enough to retire.
And on Friday, we learned that we’d lost another 159,000 American jobs in September. It was the ninth straight month of job losses – more than three quarters of a million this year, including 24,000 here in North Carolina. And it came just as we finished a week in which our financial markets teetered on the brink of disaster.
Yet instead of addressing these crises, Senator McCain’s campaign has announced that they plan to turn the page on the discussion about our economy and spend the final weeks of this campaign launching Swiftboat-style attacks on me.
Think about that for a second. Turn the page on the economy? We’re facing the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, and John McCain wants us to “turn the page?” Well, I know the policies he’s supported these past eight years and wants to continue are pretty hard to defend. I can understand why Senator McCain would want to “turn the page” and ignore this economy.
But I also know this:
You’re trying to pay your bills every week and stay above the water – you can’t ignore it.
You’re worrying about whether your job will be there a month from now – you can’t ignore it.
You’re worrying about whether you can pay your mortgage and stay in your house – you can’t turn the page.
In 30 days you are going to elect the next president, and you need and deserve a president who is going to wake up every day and fight for you, and fight for the middle class, and fight to create jobs and grow our economy again — not another president who doesn’t get it. Not another President who ignores our problems. Not more of the same.
Senator McCain and his operatives are gambling that he can distract you with smears rather than talk to you about substance. They’d rather try to tear our campaign down than lift this country up. It’s what you do when you’re out of touch, out of ideas, and running out of time.
I want you to know that I’m going to keep on talking about the issues that matter – about the economy and health care and education and energy. I’m going to keep on standing up for hard working families. We’re not going to let John McCain distract us from what we need to do to move this country forward.
Because November 4th, you and I are going to turn the page on the disastrous economic policies of George W. Bush and John McCain.
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You see Obama has class where as John McCain and PaLIAR are classless. IMHO, McCain needs to enter a retirement home and PaLIAR needs to go back to Alaska–thats if she is allowed to go back.
Obama/Biden 2008
October 5th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Jerrysroll,
The link is made through the policies and platform of the candidate and his pet. As for justifying the mud…then it’s okay to link McCain to the financial terrorist, Charles Keating….do you want to play nice, or join the mudwrestling republicans…and by the way…it’s hard to wash off. The best way to avoid smelling like dung is not to wallow in it. Truth and sticking to the issues that affect the American people is the easiest way to run a fair and balanced (I can’t believe I just typed that)presidential election.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Please people think how you vote for the future. I think it is important for McCain to point out who Obama is when it comes to his associations with shady characters. Tony Rezko, William Ayers, Reverend Jeremiah Right, etc.
What really concerns me is the continuation of democratic policies that continue to kill millions of people per year. Yes I said it, MILLIONS.
You are the party of death. You claim republicans kill and there may be some truth to that but it may be for better reasons. Democrats hold the highest death toll of blood on their hands just by the mere words they use. Lets look at some topics:
Malaria-It causes an estimated One Million deaths per year with many being for children under the age of 5 years old. How did democrats cause this? The banning of the product ddt that was a safe product that didn’t cause cancer as they claimed. You can look it up. True. This product was banned by the leftist environmentlists. Democrats, your words kill One Million people per year. This is your blood. You own it.
Secondly, abortion kills one million people every year in the U.S. alone. Democrats, you own this policy too. You could stop it, but you don’t. Barack Obama should be ashamed of himself for supporting this one.
Thirdly, when you tear down the U.S. in Iraq, you cause unneccessary American deaths. If you got behind the troops and supported this war, the isurgency wouldn’t have lasted. They want the media to play footage of bombings and American deaths. You people own this one too.
There are many others that die for other reasons but you will fail to ackknowlege it. Democrats-you truley are the party of death. I hope all of you read this and instead of being angry with me for pointing this out and lashing out at me, why not take a look at yourselves first. Anger is always your first response. Can any of you intelligently reply and stand up for what you have done? I am guessing no. You will likely just justify this stuff by attacking Bush or McCain. Go ahead and try. I dare you. Stand up for death.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Hey Tedd,
Don’t take my word for it. McCain’s slime machine move isn’t even loved by Darth Vador (Karl Rove)
New posting on Huffington….
“Appearing on Fox News Sunday, Karl Rove criticized the McCain campaign for its handling of several strategic operations of the campaign.”
October 5th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Let’s all start talking about the felons McCain does and has buddied with.
How about McCain’s ’spiritual advisors’ that say stupit stuff? Can we talk about them too?
We tie McCain to Bush because McCain voted 90% of the time with Bush. McCain supported Bush’s invasion of a country that didn’t attack us. McCain supported every de-regulation effort that cane before him until it proved unpopular just last month.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Tedd,
I’ll defend your right to believe anything you want. I’ll defend your right to actually accept all the crap that you have listened to.
“when you tear down the U.S. in Iraq, you cause unneccessary American deaths” <=== that isn’t as good as when the Nazis used the same tactic in Germany during WWIII to surpress truth.
October 5th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
“Please people think how you vote for the future.”…
Is EXACTLY what we have been telling people since 2000.
With McCain’s questionable REAL associations with people like:
Randy Scheunemann, lobbying for Georgia, Rick Davis,about whom a National Security Council official contacted McCain’s Senate office in 2005 “to complain that Mr. Davis’s lobbying firm was undercutting American foreign policy in Ukraine.” and Charlie Black….
sucking up to those fanatics like Hagee and Parsly who want THEIR version of biblical prophesy to determine our foreign policy, he should be deeply concerning to the American people.
Add to that his recklessness and lack of judgment, and it is clear that we can’t afford 4 more years of this kind of irresponsible abuse of power.
October 5th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
LOL
And I hear Keating still supports his good buddy, John Mc Cain….
Now, so what.
October 5th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
What is this I just heard a few minutes ago??
Hmmmmm
Seems John McCain sat on the board of an organization by the name of teh U.S. Council For World Freedom. You might consider researching this group and it’s affiliation with the world branch of the same organization before we start throwing mud about Obama and who he “palled around with”.
October 5th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
The right REALLY seems to be projecting all of their weaknesses onto Barack Obama.
Next we are going to hear that Obama is too old to be president, was in the bottom of his class, who cheated on his wife, and will abolish public schools in favor of home schooling.
October 5th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Alan the difference is the low road as you libs refer to is when you libs make up lies painted as facts about the GOP candidate.
When McCain finally starts pointing out the severe character flaws of Obama it is just being truthful as voters should know these things. you in the leftwing media run cover for Obama and block all the important facts about his ties to terrorists like Ayers, 20 years in the black racist anti American “church” with Rev Wright, the incompetence and lack of experience, but now the biggest issue, Obama’s ties to the credit disaster and our economic crisis as he and other democrats were paid off to protect the racket of fnma and fmac among others.
those facts need to be put into the light, thankfully David Asman hosted a brilliant show this weekend about why the financial crisis happened, and how democrats like Obama caused it; AND how republicans spoke out for years and tried to prevent the meltdown while democrats in power refused
So Alan you wonder why youre called a liar, dishonest, partisan hack, etc? this is why
October 5th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Bradley, opinions are not facts.
October 5th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
You know, Bradley, We say that the difference is the low road you CONS refer to is when you CONS make up lies painted as facts about the Democratic or even Republican candidate.
The REAL difference is that Obama won’t use the Ted Sampleys and the VietNam Veterans Against John McCain,
Or talk about Cindy’s problems, or McCains’ shabby treatment of his first wife, or McCain’s sucking up to the anti-American right wing preachers, or Palin’s witch hunting preacher, or her husband’s anti-American Idependence party.
And ONLY the GOP would have said he had an “illegitimate black baby”.
So, Bradley, when you wonder why your side is called lying, dishonest, partisan hacks, etc? this is why.
October 5th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
YA,well the TRUTH is Obama rubs shoulders with wm ayers [a KNOWN terrorist], and rev wright [an UNAMERICAN] !
TRUTH !!!!!
October 5th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Rev Wright is NOT as unAmerican as the right wing preachers that Bush and McCain suck up to.
The difference is, Wright blames the government, Falwell, Robertson, Hagee and Parsley blame the American PEOPLE.
And Obama is not as close to Ayers as Bush is to the bin Ladin family, and the Saudis (who support al Qaeda) {the right NEVER had a problem with that},or as McCain is to Phil Gramm,(someone who has done MUCH, MUCH MORE harm to the US than William Ayres ever did.
Obama’s minor relationship to Williams Ayers is totally inconsequential.
October 5th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Yes Budda but even you would admit that as the cart follows the horse, so too the wind flows thru the mountains.
OL, lets consider what youre saying unless it was meant as a drive by left wing conspiracy shot. I mean do you stand by what you said? will you still say you agree?
McCain is not going after Obama’s family and one of the standards Im using to measure here is what would an ordinary common sense person believe.
The witchunt thing? if you want to have experts in Christianity explain that story on Palin, its okay with me. I already commented, nothing wrong in there.
But Rev Wright went to a press conference and said things that made Obama close his eyes, bow his head down, shake it in a symbolic “no” fashion and hold the upper part of the nose in his fingers. then Obama denounced his 20 year pastor and spiritual leader in total embarassment.
If you want to invite retired Vietnam Veterans to talk about their support of McCain? yes lets do that, lets have that discussion. You get the Vets to support your side, as a hint you can go to large cities and look for unfortunate persons holding signs indicating they are Vietnam Vets on hard times. pay them, and they will say what you want.
talking about McCains marriage in a gossipy way? thats a human failing Dear Abby talked about decades ago.
I just want the facts about the wall street crisis money trail, not some Dan Rathergate trash about fake documents he and his far leftwing cronies invented to besmirch an outstanding officer.
And where are the John ONeill Swiftboat veterans for truth? lets let them talk about McCain.
So far on the left there have been no character flaw stories of McCain that turned out to be credible. if there are some? I want to know.
So lets avoid the cheap shots at the candidates’ family. what have the candidates done in the past 10 years? who are their friends? close associates in the workplace?
when we go there, Obama looks really bad, but Hillary would have been rather stainless steel/teflon coated. I hope the DNC doesnt change Obama with Hillary in the last minute. Hillary has a substantive record, and has experience in the whitehouse, she was president for a little while there. if you recall she declared herself “co-president” in the early first term. Hillary comes across as more wise and very capable. Obama? total weak spot
October 5th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Of course, I ABSOLUTELY stand by my comments.
There is NO question in my opinion,(that is as valid as yours) that the right wing preachers are always railing about the people being evil, it’s just that right wing politicians use their hatred to get votes.
I give you Frank Schaffer:
“When Senator Obama’s preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father — Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer — denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.
Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father’s footsteps) rail against America’s sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the “murder of the unborn,” has become “Sodom” by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, “under the judgment of God.” They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama’s minister’s shouted “controversial” comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.”
There ARE swiftboaters against John McCain, They are the Ted Sampleys and the VietNam Veterans Against John McCain, the media just doesn’t give them the coverage, because as Sumner Redstone, CEO of CBS ’s parent company Viacom, made an unusual political statement at a gathering of corporate leaders in Hong Kong (Asian Wall Street Journal, 9/24/04):
I don’t want to denigrate Kerry… but from a Viacom standpoint, the election of a Republican administration is a better deal. Because the Republican administration has stood for many things we believe in, deregulation and so on. The Democrats are not bad people…. But from a Viacom standpoint, we believe the election of a Republican administration is better for our company.
I believe they are as despicable as those who trashed John Kerry.
Ask Ross Perot about McCain,s character flaws.
The treatment of his first wife is one, being comfortable making the Chelsea Clinton joke was another.
His gambling and reckless, impulse behavior is another.
Then, there is his temper, “In January, Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss., told The Boston Globe that, “the thought of (McCain) being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.”
From McClatchy:
Back in Washington, families of POW_MIAs said they have seen McCain’s wrath repeatedly.
As McCain continued walking, Jane Duke Gaylor, the mother of another missing serviceman, approached the senator. Gaylor, in a wheelchair equipped with portable oxygen, stretched her arms toward McCain.
“McCain stopped, glared at her, raised his left arm ready to strike her, composed himself and pushed the wheelchair away from him,” according to Eleanor Apodaca, the sister of an Air Force captain missing since 1967.
McCain’s staff wouldn’t respond to requests for comment about specific incidents.
Obama NEVER attacked McCain’s family, that was Bush.
Am I REALLY to believe that if Hillary were the nominee, you would not be spreading all the right wing anti Hillary smears??
Please!
October 5th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Hey, the KKK was part of the norms .Some have only changed the white sheet for a black suit.Did any of you even throw your fathers and grandfathers under the bus? Or are you using Rev. Wright and Ayers as an accuse to resurface.You should declare yourselves “terrorists” by direct ASS-ssociation as well.
October 5th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Hey Old Lefty,
Rev Wright is unamerican. By saying “America, your chickens are coming home to roost” or by saying that “the U.S. government invented the aids virus and released it into the black community”? Old Lefty, you are the unamerican and uninformed one.
Obama is close to Bill Ayers. The facts are undeniable. How close is he to Tony Rezko? How close is he to Kwame Kilpatrick now going to jail? There is plenty of video of that as well. You people will say anything to defend this inexperienced, unamerican individual. He and his buddies at Acorn helped cause the problem in Wall Street. Never before have I seen an individual on the wrong side of so many issues. He undermines the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Old Lefty, Keep pointing out stuff and I can show you every time how this always stems back to Democrats. Democrats cause the problems and then blame Republicans. What an interesting bunch you are.
Excellent post Bradley!
October 5th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Strategy wise, it is smart for McCain and Palin to go on the attack, they are way behind and most Americans disagree with them on the issues.
Who knows, it may very well work. The election is up for grabs.
October 5th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
A FOxy news analyst(Greta) asked Bill Clinton last week : what is the difference between David Duke and Rev, Wright? Well, Duke is simply a continuation of an accepted norms. Wright never terrorized any american citizen.He only criticized the government’s actions.Words don’t kill; they only hurt feelings which usually go away.
October 5th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Jerry, since you have run out of things to say except this Ayers and Obama. Lets talk about another thing that was going on in the 60’s. Yes McCain was a POW. Hero Right? Well I wonder how many of our soldiers died when he gave up secrets to the North Vietnamese when he was captured. I am a marine, that has seen war, and I was always taught that besides your name rank and serial number you would die before you caved to the enemy. So, I wonder what he will do in the face of the enemy if he’s president. Oh yes, Jerry, since you love talking points, why don’t you look up how McCain sold his fellow soldiers out by caving under pressure, since we are gonna talk about insignificant things.He admits it. We only have his story of why he caved, but what really was the reason. but if we are going so low, lets go real low. And now we can return to our regularly scheduled program. To everyone else, McCain is a hero in my eyes, but I figured I would give Jerry to talking points “queen” something to look up. If, he can in fact read?
October 5th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Hey, you are UNAMERICAN as well. Your fathers and grandfathers were associated with the KKK. Now, are you going to denounce and reject them ?
October 5th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Old Lefty,
Who is the American government comprised of? Americans. Ayers and the underground members HATE every aspect of American life including capitalism. They claimed to hate whitey too. I think they hated pretty much everything that has to do with this country, and wanted to overthrow the government so we would be like a 3rd world country.
You brought up the treatment of his first wife. What about how Bill Clinton treated Hillary? Or John Edwards? I remember democrats espousing once upon a clinton time that a man’s personal dealings with his wife/wives/girlfriends, even in the oval office were none of our business?
October 5th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
if obama was applying for a job in the FBI, he would not be able to get the clearance needed, but as a politician he does not need the clearance. explain
October 5th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Falwell and Robertson blamed America for 9/11, Again, the difference is Wright blames the government, the right wing preachers blame the PEOPLE.
Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer — denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.
” How close is he to Tony Rezko? How close is he to Kwame Kilpatrick now going to jail?”
These smears are NOTHING!
Obama is not any closer to these people than McCain is to Bud Paxon or was to Keating.
October 5th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Hey, RIGHTwingers don’t vote for Obama, but don’t describe him as : muslim,terrorist,anti-american,antisemetic,”not one of us” ect.More than 50% of white people voted for the man.Are they anti-american by Ass-ssociation,too?
October 5th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Well Tedd just proved himself to be a biggot. “How close is he to Kwame Kilpatrick now going to jail? There is plenty of video of that as well.” As a Michigander, I know for a fact there were no ties with Obama and Kilpatrick. However Kilpatrick did something similar to McCain, cheat on his wife and try to justify it. But of course Tedd is using the relationship because he is black. Well I guess we can just forget about the fact that McCain has been linked to several “High Profile” preachers who initially and very emphatically blamed America for the terrorist attacks. Oh, I forgot, they are white, it’s different. Tedd just say what you really feel. You are scared that a man of color will get into office put you into slavery. Don’t worry Tedd, you won’t be enslaved by a black man. You are already enslaved in your mind by accepting the hate that is spread. Tedd, have you every done anything significant in your life. Supported your country, served in the military, community service? Anything like that. You speak as if you have no opinion of your own. How about writing something original about your true thoughts without copying and pasting the Faux News website. Prove to me you are nothing more than a bumbling, plageristic idiot. One original thought with some “fact’s you researched to back it up. That’s all I am asking.
October 5th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
“Who is the American government comprised of? Americans.”
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So who was Falwell and Robertson blaming when they blamed America for 9/11?
“Ayers and the underground members HATE every aspect of American life including capitalism. They claimed to hate whitey to”
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I won’t defend W. Ayers, (there is too little of a connection there), but you don’t know who he hates, and what that has to do with Obama.Ayres is a talking point for those who want to hate Obama.
It means no more than what Rove said about McCain in 2000, yet people believed that too.
“You brought up the treatment of his first wife. What about how Bill Clinton treated Hillary? Or John Edwards?”
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#1. They did not DUMP their wives.
#2. They did not present themselves as the “family values” party.
October 5th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
So, the democrats have no family values? You aren’t the party of family values? Who would want to vote for a party with no family values?
So, politician A can do whatever he wants as long as he doesn’t claim to have family values? But, candidate B who left his wife for another woman and has been married to her for over 30 years should be punished for his sins of the past? My, my what a double standard we have.
They might not have dumped their wives, but they sure did dump ON their wives now didn’t they?
There is not too little of a connection there, you just don’t want to talk about it. The guy repeatedly has to distance himself from his “friends” in the past. There is a pattern there. I don’t have any acquaintances who were domestic terrorists. Do you? And if you have any doubts about whether or not Ayers loves his country, I don’t know many Americans who would stand ON an American flag for a picture and state that they didn’t do enough damage.
I don’t hate Obama, but he certainly isn’t the candidate for me, my family or my country.
October 5th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
To the uniformed Michigander:
Some people do not understand what plagiarism is (spelled correctly). I documented all of the facts that I cut and pasted. We have to show you the facts to show you the error for with which you speak. That is why cutting and pasting is sometimes necessary. (Oh, I forgot that only lefties are educated).
Secondly, how does pointing out Kwame Kilpatrick and William Ayers make me a biggot? I never brought up race. You did. Who is the real biggot?
You are from Michigan and you know that he has no ties to Kilpatrick? Let me enlighten you with video and sound that prove ties. What do the words “friend and colleague” mean to you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZNvC_-RW2Q
I always know when a lefty loses an argument. They will call you a biggot, racist or use some other slur. That is the “rush to emotion” response. Sometimes they become condescending as well. By saying “that is so sad” or I have pity on you for thinking that way?
Face it. If you are going to discuss this stuff you should arm yourself with facts and back them up. Debates require facts, not just words. Show some intelligence.
As far as the slavery comment. I would already say that I am enslaved to a degree for the amount of taxes I pay. Yes, I am one of the higher tax payers. It doesn’t take Obama to have slavery (although he plays the race card often). It is just Democrat views that cause the tax burdens so high for people that are earners. It is not black or white. Old Lefty should learn a little bit from this as well.
Try again people!!!
October 5th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Hey T.
I think the whole thing about ‘family values’, is that obviously all families have values.
The right generally claims to be the party of ‘family values’, which comes across as ingenuous to those of us on the left, since we too have both families and values.
When folks tease the right about ‘family values’ this is generally what they are talking about, not saying that we on the left do not have them.
October 5th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
UM,
You probably read the post, but basically McCain is being slammed for leaving his first wife. I brought up that during the clinton years the dems said that a man’s personal life with his wife was off limits. And I agree with that. But now, the same people who were irritated with the repubs want to bring up John McCain leaving his wife over 30 years ago.
That is a double standard in my book. I don’t doubt there are democrats with family values, but adultry is adultry no matter which side of the aisle you are on.
Would you agree or disagree that John McCain leaving his wife over 30 years ago has zero bearing on his ability to be President?
October 5th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
T. Mason,
I 100% Agree that McCain leaving his wife over 30 years ago has zero bearing on his ability to be president.
October 5th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Tedd said:
To the uniformed Michigander:
Some people do not understand what plagiarism is (spelled correctly).
Hey Tedd, I know spelling is important to you. Bigot is spelled ‘bigot’ not ‘biggot’
Tedd then said:
(Oh, I forgot that only lefties are educated)
I’m right handed and I’m educated, sure most lefties are too, and as far as I know, so are most of the ambidextrous.
Pretty weird view that you have, that only left handed people are educated. What led you to that belief?
Tedd also said:
As far as the slavery comment. I would already say that I am enslaved to a degree for the amount of taxes I pay.
You are going to compare slavery with paying taxes. Really? You sure you want to stick with that argument? If you want to take that back, no problem – I’m sure most of us would be willing to forget that you think slavery and paying taxes are comparable. It was just a heat of them moment comment, I’m sure. You don’t really think paying taxes is at all comparable to being enslaved, do you?
October 5th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
It’s about time someone actually brough it up. Now she needs to bring up his relationship with his murdering terrorist cousin in Kenya. The only question I have is, will Obama try to start a revolt against the government if he loses like his cousin did?
October 5th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
McCain is a hippo-crit. 1st he dumped his ill stricken wife for a rich 18 year beauty queen ( NO FAMILY VALUES)since you repubs want run on values. He was the one saying he wouldn’t take the low road but when the ball is not in his court he put his puppet palin out there to talk Ayers which have not worked in the past. What about the keaton Five that mcsame was a part of. Knowing someone does not make you agree with everything they do. What if God had judged us by their mistakes and not wanted anything to do with us. You right winger will go to any level to get mccain elected right or wrong. Sen.Obama should just ignore all you nut brainer and continue talking the real issues that are effect America today.
October 5th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Um Cara,
Sorry I misspelled bigot. I am not used to using the word as you are, obviously. I suppose if you use that word enough, you might be inclined to spell it correctly.
What I was referring to was the elite left who claim to be the most educated group of people.
Check out these links to with what I was referencing.
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed050808a.cfm
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/the-party-of-the-elite/
As for the tax argument, I will take that up any time you want. As with many, you probably believe that only certain words can be used to define one topic. Take the word “Slavery” for example. Check out these links, some that are by scholars.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates17.html
http://www.laborlawtalk.com/showthread.php?t=13328
http://mises.org/story/410
While I would say that the slavery that took place with people of African descent was deplorable, might I remind you that the Democrats were the enslavers and the Republicans fought and died for them. Some things do not change either. Democrats still take advantage of these people today. You need to realize that many words can be used to describe a situation or state of being. Do you not agree?
You should educate yourself before you open your mouth. Back up what you say. That is the only way to make a convincing argument. What else would you care to debate?
I also notice you could really do nothing to discredit my last argument.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
T Mason,
I think there is a disingenuousness here about the affairs.
The Republicans started it with Bill Clinton. Newt Gingrich , Bob Barr, Henry Hyde and Helen Chenoweth all acting like THEY were Clinton’s moral betters , feigning outrage over his behavior, and ALL having affairs themselves.
Then, the Edwards affair comes out, the right is apoplectic and accusing the “liberal media of covering up, (even though he’s not running for anything).
It’s not even that the right has a double standard when THEIR guy does the same thing, it’s that the right brings it into the political arena to begin with, and claims moral superiority, then cries double standard when their own hypocrisy is highlighted.
As for Ayres, what he did, he did when Obama was EIGHT years old. Nobody except those who are anti Democratic partisans, (as most of us bothering to write here are partisan on one side or the other), think it is as important as Bush’s financial ties to those who were funding al Qaeda even as he running on “fighting” terrorism.
Bush’s supporters didn’t seem to care or want to talk about that, even though the relationship was closer and there was a REAL conflict of interest.
Obama is not Ayres anymore than Bush IS the bin Ladin family. He served on a board with him. Bush wanted to turn our ports over to the UAE, whose royal family hunts with bin Ladin, and nobody wanted to make that association.
I could get emersed in the rantings of the Viet Nam Veterans Against John McCain, or Ted Sampley and repeat everything they say about him, and tell McCain supporters, “Well, how do you defend that?” but I don’t think it’s anymore important to who McCain is, than Ayres is to who Obama is.
As for love of country, I think Obama will be better for America and the ideals this country was founded on, than McCain. I believe he understands them better.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Will Obama’s ACORN investment net him several stolen states?
Obama Ayres Connection – Chicago Annenberg Challenge
Obama, Ayers, Annenberg, and ACORN: a family affair?
The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group
THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH – OBAMA’S CIRCLE OF FRIENDS AND SUPPORT
What do each of the following individuals and organizations have in common?
William Ayers
(Weatherman Underground bomber, unrepentant domestic terrorist)
Frank Davis
(Member Communist Party USA, Early mentor to Obama)
Jeremiah Wright
(Black Liberation militant, racist, and Pastor)
Tony Rezko
(Corrupt Financier, ties to Terror Financing)
Louis Farrakhan
(Nation of Islam Leader, racist, anti-American)
RailaOrdinga
(Fundamental Islamic Candidate, Kenya, Obama’s Cousin)
Daniel Ortega
(Marxist Sandinista Leader. Nicarauga)
Raul Castro
(Hard-line […]
Will the real Senator Obama stand up and be counted!!
October 5th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
thanks Tedd
OL, you said “There is NO question in my opinion,(that is as valid as yours) that the right wing preachers are always railing about the people being evil, it’s just that right wing politicians use their hatred”
the bible says “people are evil”? first of all the bible claims several things, in 2Peter 1:20,21 that none of Scripture is from the mind of mankind. In 2Timothy 3:16 all Scripture is given by God and is in effect perfect.
There is a totally trustworthy connection between todays mainstream bibles, you know them as “versions” like king james, new king james, niv, nasb where the publishers took painstaking effort to do the best job possible to make a trustworthy bible.
The accusation that since the bible is so old and has been translated millions of times its so not authentic its a joke? wrong. we have many versions to choose from and original writings that you can read and translate yourself into english and write up your own bible. If you try this you find the new testament authors quote old testament passages alot. and you find from exegesis interesting things that help you understand. for example, saying “he looked up…” meaning he was looking down then looked up. The Serpent tricked Eve when she was all alone and she then later tricked her husband; Adam and Eve’s first born son was owned by Satan as it explains in 1John 3:12 back when it was just 1 small family, the first born human being of this world was of the devil. Adam and Eve were created directly by God, Eve came from Adam but ever since all men come from women. but the first BORN human was owned by Satan, who murdered the second BORN human who was not evil and was upstanding before God.
The bible doesnt re-write it this way, but with biblical exegesis this is a way to see what absolutely is written.
So biblically there is a reason to say we inherited a sin nature. If a pastor says something you believe is unbiblical? Christians have a duty to tell the pastor directly as there cannot be any patience for unbiblical teaching, its a very absolute belief, unbiblical teachers must be confronted and corrected.
Rev Wright said very errored things and there is no record Obama pointed them out, Obama did not stand by biblical teaching, so this means both Rev Wright and Obama are equally guilty for false teaching and would be kicked out of the real Christian church.
So when you think what did Obama do thats so unChristianlike? something to get him kicked out? he didnt oppose a false teacher as the church is required to do.
October 6th, 2008 at 12:53 am
The ability of people to distract from the real issues of the campaign to this slime based crapola never ceases to amaze me.
Here’s a little of your own crap back at ya…
Do you want a campaign issue of character that includes the integrety of the candidates? I would suggest a candidate that ignores an oath, or vow, shows no integrity…especially if it is one of fidelity to his wife.
Also, relationships are funny things….Keating had several friends …including a senator from Arizona.
Now…that kettle is looking blacker…also, those are facts and not trumped up gossip, suppositions, and distortions.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:05 am
Wow – What a Shocker! The VP candidates doing the Dirty work.Governor Palin must be the first vp candidate in history to fire the pot shots and be used as an attack dog . (Sarcasm Rolling my eyes) Please….. The only thing new about this is that this time its a woman.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:13 am
Spiro did it….er…I guess when you are a felon, it comes naturally.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:20 am
Robert we already said no family attacks, doing the attack on McCains first wife is off limits.
marriage vows and integrity? you dont want to go there. or maybe sitting at home you dont care but politicians running for election sure dont want to go there.
So that leaves the Keating scandal. Keating was admired by crooks and crook wannabe’s; What John McCains role was remains not very clear, if you dems want to get both sides it will be hard to find all the players as it was 20 something years ago. Do you want the REAL facts to see where they settle? or do you want to open the other door to false allegations, inflated innuendo or misrepresentation now and not care about credibility later?
I had said lets look at the past 10 years, but if you want to go back 25 years on both candidates? Obama has more to hide
And this is about getting the facts out there so Americans can vote and be informed.
Not be liars like Dan Rather, Mary Mapes and the rest who lied by claiming a fake letter against GW Bush was authentic until it was proven to not be done on a typewriter, in the 1970s they used electric typewriters, and a space was a space. in programs like Word it will fit letters in a word together so a character space can change slightly. the fact the supposed paper was held up to a Word version and matched perfectly; held up to an ibm selectric typewriter page and it was not close? and that it never existed? shows how deeply dishonest democrats can be, leading to Dan Rather being kicked out, FINALLY! all the years of lying about republicans.
the Rathergate letter came out for their 2004 October suprise
October 6th, 2008 at 1:23 am
Nor attacking her…Him….he betrayed his oath…she was fine….not anything to do with her.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:28 am
I question John’s integrety. He didn’t keep his vow of fidelity.
Frankly, I’d rather talk about what the platforms and postition papers have to offer the middle class. I believe that it is the economy that is going to elect the next president.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:31 am
OL, “Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer — denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr”
1. when did he denounce America/overthrow
2. when did he get invited/what event and did he attend?
If Hillary were running I would be looking for reasons why she must not be elected, what makes you think I claim otherwise? they are just not the same weaknesses, Obama has alot to hide where Hillary is well known.
She would be a far better candidate and clearly has the leadership potential to be President; her weakness is what Bill Clinton did.
And Obama is part of the FNMA/FMAC meltdown scandal along with big name democrats in congress. The fact Obama was a muslim, took the oath to be a muslim and now denies it? each person can evaluate it, if they know; but to be part of the economic crisis? democrats deserve to lose big time
October 6th, 2008 at 1:40 am
Here’s a quote from John McBush himself
MCCAIN: “Uh, I, I just have to rely on the good judgment of the voters not to buy into these negative attack ads. Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don’t have much of a vision for the future or you’re not ready to articulate it.” [The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, 2/21/2000]
October 6th, 2008 at 1:44 am
yes but talking about an issue with his wife, the oath of marriage is off limits because its talking about family. its ridiculous to claim you have some moral outrage because of ‘divorce in general’ ? which is the position youre lining up.
How dare John break his marriage vows? oh yeah sure, right. In fact it suggests you have never been married.
Yes its the economic crisis, democrats caused the meltdown by their ties to the mortgage industry, the same thing has happened 6 times in US history since the Civil War. republicans warned about this for years, Alan Greenspan warned in 2004, I recall watching it live, that if the big holders of mortgage notes dont get strong oversight and regulation it will lead to insolvency. (what that means? who knows)
I know what solvent is, its for when you is cleaning the motor or transmission or the parts. I dont know what insolvent is.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:48 am
yes what McCain said in 2000, if its accurate, is fine. McCain has taken positions on many issues over the years.
Obama has not, what we know is he hides his past and was promoted by special favors, his thing seems to be black on white racism; Mrs Obama said she is proud of America for the first time in her adult life.
her words
October 6th, 2008 at 1:51 am
You can see the film on Huffington…it’s real.
Obama has been consistant.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:53 am
He does not hide his past…he wrote a book, there have been numerous tv programs about him over the past 18 months and investigative journalists (legitimate people, not the smear hacks) have done their work in reviewing his life.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:54 am
I challenge you to produce specific “black on white” racist phrases, postings, or substantiated reports that Barrak has used.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:56 am
Hussein Obama has been in agreement with Rev Wright who said the most offensive things, this is Hussein’s spiritual advisor and pastor.
the average person is offended by racist comments. Why didnt he speak out? its already done and been covered. Obama said he cants aint no way gonna deny his main man Rev Wright; then after the press conference? Obama denies him, and the Rev replies saying he told me he has to say some junk the people want to hear but its all lies, aint nothing changed between us.
Hussein Obama also worked for ACORN, a large seed like thing that falls off of oak trees.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:15 am
Bradley, I Agree Hillary Substantive, Experienced And Very Capable Hillary 2016 To Keep The Good Times Rolling.
October 6th, 2008 at 3:55 am
Tedd,
If you think paying taxes and slavery are comparable, you really should look into the horrors of slavery sometime. I think you will be embarrassed by your comparison.
When was the last time your children were taken from you and sold to another person?
When was the last time you were beaten for not performing up to expectations on the job?
When were you beaten for looking your boss in the eye?
Have you ever been separated from your spouse and sold to another person?
Has your spouse ever been raped by your boss?
I could go on, and on, and on. But really Tedd, have you no shame whatsoever?
October 6th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Bradly,
Francis Schaeffer was one of the founders of the Religious right. He wrote the book called, A Christian Manifesto.
In the 1970s and 1980s, he and his son preached across America denouncing our nation’s sins.
His son states:
“Instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party. (This was while I was my father’s sidekick before I dropped out of the evangelical movement altogether.) We were rewarded for our “stand” by people such as Congressman Jack Kemp, the Fords, Reagan and the Bush family. The top Republican leadership depended on preachers and agitators like us to energize their rank and file. No one called us un-American.
We Republican agitators of the mid 1970s to the late 1980s were genuinely anti-American in the same spirit that later Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (both followers of my father) were anti-American when they said God had removed his blessing from America on 9/11, because America accepted gays. Falwell and Robertson recanted but we never did.
My dad’s books denouncing America and comparing the USA to Hitler are still best sellers in the “respectable” evangelical community and he’s still hailed as a prophet by many Republican leaders.
When Mike Huckabee was recently asked by Katie Couric to name one book he’d take with him to a desert island, besides the Bible, he named Dad’s Whatever Happened to the Human Race? a book where Dad also compared America to Hitler’s Germany. “
As for the housing meltdown, Nobody can claim to be completely innocent, just that Republicans have much more culpability.
Obama warned about it in a speech to the Nasdaq in Sept. 2007.
While Bush……Remember the “ownership society,” fixture of major George W. Bush addresses for the first four years of his presidency? “We’re creating…an ownership society in this country, where more Americans than ever will be able to open up their door where they live and say, welcome to my house, welcome to my piece of property,”
Bush came to office determined to take these trends even further, to deliver Social Security accounts to Wall Street and target minority communities–traditionally out of the Republican Party’s reach–for easy homeownership. “Under 50 percent of African Americans and Hispanic Americans own a home,” Bush observed in 2002. “That’s just too few.” He called on Fannie Mae and the private sector “to unlock millions of dollars, to make it available for the purchase of a home”–an important reminder that subprime lenders were taking their cue straight from the top.
From his speech in 2002:
“One of the programs is designed to help deserving families who have bad credit histories to qualify for homeownership loans.
The other thing Kirbyjon told me, which I really appreciate, is you don’t have to have a lousy home for first-time home buyers. If you put your mind to it, the first-time home buyer, the low-income home buyer can have just as nice a house as anybody else.”
And John McCain co-sponsored a bill in 94 to stop ALL government regulation……even meat inspections and clear water standards!
The Republican “reform” effort in 2005 was nothing more than taking money away from Fannie and Freddie…and giving it to private banks. THE SAME ONES THAT FAILED!
Senator John McCain’s campaign manager was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations, current and former officials say.
I’m sorry, there is NO way that I believe that those on the right would not be repeating the ALL the old Clinton smears if she were the nominee.
These are the same people who smeared McCain as well as Obama.
People built ENTIRE careers on smearing the Clintons….That is why the right wanted her so badly.
October 6th, 2008 at 7:50 am
You may not believe this Alan but I, as well informed citizen, have the right know who I’m supporting. I have a right to be informed about a candidate’s background and character. To me at least the character of the man/woman holding the highest office in the land is an issue and an important one. I am so sorry that you do NOT agree.
Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.
Alan, why has Nobama chosen to ignore this period of his life? What is he trying to hide?
Alan. why can’t I download and read Nobama’s master’s thesis as I did with Michele’s? What is he trying to hide?
Alan, why won’t Nobama release his college transcripts from Columbia and Harvard? What is he trying to hide?
Alan, why did Nobama attend a church for twenty years which preached black liberation theology? Didn’t he understand what black liberation theology is?
Alan, why did Nobama kick off his political career in the home of a known domestic terrorist?
Ohh and, Alan, just what is Nobama’s relationship with ACRON?
All Americans should demand answers to these questions before supporting this man who hides his past. I mean really what DOES he have to hide?
October 6th, 2008 at 9:22 am
The SAME people smearing Obama smeared John McCain too.
These smears are meaningless.
They ARE just to comfort those who deeply need to HATE the Democratic candidate.
You COULD fund Ted Sampley and The Viet Nam Veterans Against John McCain, and drag his service through the mud like the far right did in 2000.
*{John McCain sat on a RACIST board:
“It was the U.S. Council for World Freedom. It was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub who wound up involved in the Iran Contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative right-wing group.
“The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League, the parent organization which ADL said had increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racist and anti-Semites.”}
It wouldn’t change my mind, if I supported him, but I COULD repeat it over and over, hoping it sticks with the least informed.
It would be as factual as the smears against Obama, or Hillary that we would be treated to if SHE were the nominee.
October 6th, 2008 at 9:37 am
“McCain Takes The Low Road After All.”
Obviously it’s the only road the radical right-wing knows.
October 6th, 2008 at 11:27 am
When they run out of substance, they resort to trash.
MCCAIN: “Uh, I, I just have to rely on the good judgment of the voters not to buy into these negative attack ads. Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don’t have much of a vision for the future or you’re not ready to articulate it.” [The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, 2/21/2000]
October 6th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Um Cara,
You should read the links I posted before you comment. Thank you for your “all knowing” and “condescending response” to me. I said slavery was deplorable. As a typical leftie, you are having an emotional response and cannot see past other things right now. Go look at all of the links I gave for you and then come back and have an intelligent discussion.
With regards to the slavery you describe. Did the Democratic party take responsibility for it and apologize?
If Democrats are going to demand apologies for historic crimes, they need to inform themselves better about their own party’s history. The following racial crimes were perpetrated throughout American history by The Democratic Party, its leaders and supporters:
Preserving and enhancing the legal-standing of the institution of slavery in the ante-bellum South against all humanitarian calls for reform;
Extending the peculiar institution of slavery into Texas and Missouri;
Attempting to extend the institution of slavery into California, Kansas and other US territories and states;
Extending into free-states the slave-masters’ legal right to retrieve their “property”, escaped slaves. (Dred Scott);
Initiating the secession of the Southern states to preserve slavery upon the election of Abraham Lincoln, a Republican with abolitionist views;
Undermining the North’s resolve to preserve the Union and emancipate the slaves (Democrat Copperheads);
Terrorizing freed black Republican politicians and voters during Reconstruction in order to ensure election of white Democrats;
Disenfranchising black voters to make the entire South a one-party state (Democrat), a political monopoly not broken until quite recently;
Via their control of Southern state governments, instituting Jim Crow laws in the 1880s and preserving them until 1965 (America’s apartheid);
Governing the South in a manner that tolerated, concealed and surreptitiously-supported racial terrorists such as the Ku Klux Klan, who murdered southern civil rights activists;
Resisting Federal enforcement to end racial segregation as initiated by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower.
In particular:
Sen. Robert Byrd has admitted having been a member of the Ku Klux Klan and he filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights act supported by Republicans in greater proportions than by Democrats;
Al Gore’s father, Sen. Albert Gore Sr. also joined Sen. Byrd in the filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act;
Sen. Ted Kennedy’s father, Democrat Joseph Kennedy, the US Ambassador to Britain, was rabidly anti-Semitic and considered by the Nazi Ambassador to be “Germany’s best friend” in London.”
President Clinton’s mentor, Sen. J. William Fulbright, opposed Civil Rights legislation proposed by the Republicans, as reported by PBS Frontline: “the early civil rights legislation, Fulbright opposed that and went along with the majority Southern (Democrat) view”
As you chew me out as shamless when I was not even on the same topic you were, you should look at the Democratic parties history and show who were the ones who did all the things you claim were wrong.
Um Cara’s quote:
“When was the last time your children were taken from you and sold to another person?
When was the last time you were beaten for not performing up to expectations on the job?
When were you beaten for looking your boss in the eye?
Have you ever been separated from your spouse and sold to another person?
Has your spouse ever been raped by your boss?”
Do you accuse your own party as being responsible for this? Think about it.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Give me Hillary Clinton anyday over Obama. And I am not a Clinton fanatic. At least she was patriotic and proud of her country more than once in her life.
Old, if I remember correctly Hillary also pointed out Obama’s shady connections and the far left wingers didn’t like that either. It seems he gets a free pass with the dems.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Irrelevant…
Barrak and his wife are wonderfully patriotic. They are proud of their country despite some folks painting them with smears about it. That takes courage.
The primaries are over…..just like those who said things about “good ole John”. However, you don’t see too many negative comments about Obama these days. Have you read the article on Politico where a past majority whip says a few choice words about John?
In fact, I seem to remember many republicans saying some things about old Johnny.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
I don’t think I stated that last post well….
Democrats have not been expressing doubts about Obama. Republicans don’t quite follow the same script about good old John
DeLay: McCain’s “hard to swallow”
The former House Majority Leader veers off message in an interview with PolitickerCA: “If McCain wins the election, we’ve got just as much work to do as if Obama won,” DeLay said. “I’ve known McCain for 23 years, and McCain’s hard to swallow.”
More: “His stance on global warming, immigration, campaign finance, affirmative action,” DeLay said, “it’s just a whole list of things that is not going to appeal to conservative Republicans. And if he becomes president, teaming up with the Democrats, we’re going to have a lot of work to do to stop them.”
This is actually not a bad thing for McCain vis a vis independent voters as it allows his campaign to note that he’s taken on and angered members of parties.
DeLay, it should be noted, did say he was planning to vote for McCain and that Obama is “awful.”
By Jonathan Martin 12:38 PM
October 6th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
It isn’t relevant in your mind. There was a time in this country when the company you kept mattered. Especially if it involved a domestic terrorist. I might add, Ayers isn’t his only shady association.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
LOL Did he blow anything up? Did he set bombs? Was he convicted? What proof do you have that he was a terrorist? Sure, he was in an organization…so were a lot of folks. Should we have done more in those days to stop the war? Yes…I wish I had done more. So….show your proof if you throw the label.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Robert, he turned himself in. He is an admitted terrorist who said he didn’t do enough. I don’t have to prove he was a domestic terrorist. He was indicted but not convicted because of an unauthorized wiretap, in other words a technicality.
The goal of the weathemen (they started as the SDS) was to overthrow the government by any means necessary, no matter what man, woman, or child got in their way. If you want a history lesson I suggest you do some research. you obviously need one in this case.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
“Are you, or were you ever….” McCarthy is dead…only his obscene tactics remain for those who are afraid of losing a campaign because they have poor positions on the key issues that matter to voters.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
BTW, they weren’t just trying to “stop the war”. they hated capitalism too. Basically, they hated everything that had anything to do with our free democracy.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I must have been a terrorist, too. I was a member of the SDS…but, I also was a member of the reserves (and even served active duty). I should have done more, too.
I am unrepentent, too, since we were right.
SDS didn’t want to overthrow the government.
McCarthy tactics still smell the same.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Yo Tedd,
You said, and I quote:
As far as the slavery comment. I would already say that I am enslaved to a degree for the amount of taxes I pay. Yes, I am one of the higher tax payers. It doesn’t take Obama to have slavery (although he plays the race card often). It is just Democrat views that cause the tax burdens so high for people that are earners.
You were equating paying taxes with slavery. Then when I asked if you would like to reconsider that statement, you came back with some links to some ’scholars’ web sites, rather than saying something reasonable like:
‘Well, it was probably a pretty bad example. Of course paying taxes is nothing like slavery. It’s just that I was listening to Rush Limbaugh, and he had me all excited, and you know, my idiocy got out of hand.’
But, whatever Tedd. Sure, you are oppressed by having to pay taxes. Heck, you have it almost as bad as slaves used to. There there Tedd. Those nasty Democrats can’t hurt you. Turn on your recordings of Rush Limbaugh. That’ll make you feel better… It’s all going to be O.K…
October 6th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Robert,
did you ignore half of what I wrote? The weathermen broke off from the SDS. You can call them McCarthy tactics if you want. The fact is, attitudes like yours, simply dismissing shady ties are what brought about 9/11.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Sorry, didn’t meant to ignore anything. I will call them McCarthy. Yep, weathermen actually were in place before the SDS…at least, I remember that, but, I could be wrong. Weathermen were really not as effective as the Nixon folks wanted us all to believe.
As for associations leading to 9/11 well,there were some relationships that could have been improved to prevent it…like Bush being closer with his responsibilities to read the briefings given to him, Condy paying attention and building a relationship with Clark instead of dismissing his warnings….yeah, some relationships did lead to 9/11.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
How about the clinton years? You didn’t mention that. And NO, the weathermen came along as a result of the SDS. They were not in place before the SDS.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Um Cara,
I point to facts, you do otherwise.
Again, thank you for your sarcasm and condescending tones. The sure mark of a lefty defeat. Remember what I said about pity? Lefties always do that when they lose. Nice try. Care to go for Double Jeopardy? Maybe not, you are not very talented at this. I am sure the next thing you will do is ignore my posts. But one thing still stands, the truth will keep coming.
By the way, I listen to all media outlets which include both left and right leaning. I am a big fan of Hannity and Colmes. You have to listen to both sides of an issue and make an intelligent decision on these matters. Do you do the same?
October 6th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Thanks about the SDS and weatherman…it was a rather long time ago….
as for the Clinton years, they were in the hunt and were at a hightened alert status regarding Al Quida….in Clinton’s own words…”At least I tried….”
I don’t recall seeing any actions at all taken by Bush to stop Al Quida. Clark was the expert and Condi just didn’t listen.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Tedd,
I agreed with you. Your paying of taxes is entirely comparable to being enslaved. Shoot, I bet some of those slaves had it better than you, living in those shacks, rent free and all.
You have won the argument. Well, you and your scholars, anyway.
Paying taxes is as bad as IF NOT WORSE than slavery.
Now, do you have to rub my nose in it too? I mean, not that I don’t deserve it, what was I thinking? Slavery being worse than taxation. Harumph. Harumph I say!
McCain/Palin | More Slavery, Less Taxes
October 6th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Are you kidding me? The WTC was bombed during Clinton, not to mention the U.S. Cole, Khobar Towers, etc.
The attacks in the 90’s led up to 2001. Don’t blame one administration for 9/11. How long had the cells been in the U.S. prior to 9/11?
The truth of the matter is we were so wrapped up in monicagate, watergate, and other clinton era maladies that national security was on the back-burner.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
T Mason,
Why some things won’t post even without links?
This comes in parts?
ALL Democrats are called “far left” by the GOP, while McCain’s friendship with far right radical and convicted felon G Gordon Liddy is OK, because he’s “one of us”.
McCain has ties to The PNAC, and Freedom Watch. We just don’t call them far right wing groups when they advocate for the rich and shameless.
As for hillary…my contention is that if she were the Democratic candidate, you would be saying the SAME things about her.
From The Sentinel Online, (one of many examples):
Hillary: the new face of communism
Page 1 of 2 > Women: Hillary Clinton is your chance to finally have your voice heard. That is, if you’re a communist.
More disturbing than that crazy cackle is Hillary’s Marxist ideologue. Her ties to the Communist Party are not conspiracy theory; they are fact. Her radical ideology stems from a past that she tries desperately to downplay.
A not-so-well-known fact is Hillary’s work at a “progressive” law firm. In the summer of 1971, she worked as a law clerk for the firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein. Robert Treuhaft was card-carrying member of the Communist Party USA and a Harvard-trained lawyer for the party.
Hillary, a Yale Law School student looking for a “movement” law firm to be involved in, was recommended to Treuhaft by her professors at Yale. The firm boasted representation of controversial persons such as Black Panthers and members of the Communist Party.
Although her work at Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein was more than 30 years ago, to Hillary it was yesterday. Her current ideologue, as radical as ever, has simply been repackaged to make her appear as a moderate.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
“Old, if I remember correctly Hillary also pointed out Obama’s shady connections and the far left wingers didn’t like that either. It seems he gets a free pass with the dems.”…
………………….
She was trying to win an election.
“In January, Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss., told The Boston Globe that, “the thought of (McCain) being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.”
Now, he endorses him, So What?
October 6th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
There is a big difference between saying someone has a temper and someone has a friend who was a terrorist. BIG difference. I have a temper, but I have never had dinner with anyone who wanted to overthrow our government.
October 6th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
OL, Im still not familiar with the religious guy you mention. Anti Communism is a good thing since America is not a communist state, we are a free people.
Iran Contra? it was the democrats who are the anti Americans, the democrats who controlled the media worked overtime to lie about Iran/Contra, dems took sides with communist Soviets and the murderous communist Sandanista’s and Daniel Ortega, the democrats worked to oppose attempts to stop the USSR from setting up nukeular missles in Central America, but Reagans team said defending the USA is more important.
democrats were on the USSR’s and Fidel Castro’s side in Iran/Contra
democrats brought Ollie North in because why? do you even know why? why were democrats so furious with Ollie North? do you know what simple thing he did that got them so angry and embarassed?
October 6th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
From Francis Schaffer, author of the Christian Manifesto:
“When Senator Obama’s preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father — Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer — denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.”
The relationship between Ayres and Obama is SOOO tiny, while the relationship between Bush and those who fund al Qaeda is Sooo great, (his supporters never cared). G Gordon Liddy probably did more long term harm to this country than Ayres.
I can not believe the concern about Ayres is sincere.
October 6th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Bradley,
I’m sorry, but I believe that the right is anti American.
They have overthrown every democratically elected leader who put the welfare of their people ahead of foreign business.
The media IS part of corporate America who will ALWAYS err on the side of power, ever since they have gained more consolidation.
In Central America, The Republicans were supporting the most brutal regimes, and death squads, just as they supported the war criminal, Pinochet in the 70s.
Oliver North was a felon, who lied to congress.
Iran Contra was ONLY to fund a war without going through congress. The Reagan administration showed ABSOLUTE contempt for American values.
The modern Republicans never met a dictator they didn’t love until the dictator stop cooperating.
The people are the ones who ALWAYS suffer.
Why do you think we always supported Pakistan over India(the world’s largest democracy)?
The first time I was in India, (in the 80s), right there in Bombay was The Library OF the USSR. And now it’s gone, no tanks, or invasions, but WE were allied with and arming Pakistan.
It’s easier to do business with a dictator than a messy parliment, where the people have more say.
The defense industry made a lot of money though.
Now we see how THAT worked out.
October 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Um Cara,
You keep making my point about lefties and their arguments. Thank you for the smile you put on my face. The left sometimes makes valuable points. All I am saying is rather than just float your opinion, you will make a better argument by backing it up with facts. If anything, I am helping you in trying to make your points. Remember, name calling followed with sarcasm is generally a losers argument. I am not totally opposed to sarcasm, but it has its time and place. Thank you for the spirited debate. I do read all of your posts and I check facts. You can appreciate me and disagree with me at the same time. Till the future topics……
October 6th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Tedd,
You never have facts. A short summary of this discussion:
Tedd: paying taxes is comparable to slavery
UC: are you sure you meant to say that?
Tedd: yes, and 3 wackos who made web sites agree with me
UC: but it is nothing like slavery, slavery was horrible, here are some examples of how horible..
Tedd: you can’t refute my facts! And some Democrats are racist, and Republicans ended slavery, and why don’t you apologize for slavery
UC: gives up having this discussion because it really should be self evident that paying taxes is anything like slavery, and Tedd never actually explained why he thought it was (other than to give some kook’s websites).
If you would really like to debate whether or not paying taxes is like slavery, I will happily have that conversation with you, and I will not be one bit sarcastic doing so.
So please, Tedd, explain to me, in your words, how paying taxes is comparable to slavery.
October 6th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Um Cara,
You again misquote me. Taxes are another form of slavery or servitude. Ok since you do not understand other forms of slavery here is what dictionary.com says:
slavery
4 dictionary results for: slavery
Dictionary.com
slav·er·y /ˈsleɪvəri, ˈsleɪvri/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[sley-vuh-ree, sleyv-ree] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the condition of a slave; bondage.
2. the keeping of slaves as a practice or institution.
3. a state of subjection like that of a slave: He was kept in slavery by drugs.
4. severe toil; drudgery.
—Synonyms 1. thralldom, enthrallment. Slavery, bondage, servitude refer to involuntary subjection to another or others. Slavery emphasizes the idea of complete ownership and control by a master: to be sold into slavery. Bondage indicates a state of subjugation or captivity often involving burdensome and degrading labor: in bondage to a cruel master. Servitude is compulsory service, often such as is required by a legal penalty: penal servitude. 4. moil, labor.
This was in regards to a comment from someone earlier who accused me of thinking Obama may enslave me one way(paraphrased). I mentioned a way that I felt enslaved. You turned it into slavery as defined by what people did to people of African descent. My point to you is that slavery can cover many meanings. Would you not agree that any form of slavery is terrible? You cheapen the struggle that people of African descent went through by trying to turn my argument into that argument. Stick with the facts my friend. They will never steer you wrong.
In summary, I will use a description of slavery or servitude when it comes to paying taxes. Servitude refers to involuntary subjection to another or others.
My other references had some sholars quoted. There are literally thousands of websites to deal with this topic. Do a search using googlescholar.com or Proquest.com and you can find plenty of papers written on this very topic. Your calling them “kooks” will not work unless you can discredit them with facts doesn’t work. Again, I ask you not to refer to them with slurs. Thank you for your time.
October 6th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
I am not the one cheapening the suffering the slaves went through, or people currently living in slavery are going through. You cheapen their suffering by comparing paying taxes to slavery.
At any rate, I honestly had not read the links you gave me other than a very quick glance through the first one that gave me the impression they were kooks. That was unfair of me, I apologize. I went ahead and went to all three links
Two of your links point to the same paper, by Steven Yates and Ray Bornert. The paper is kooky, and the guys are proposing unpatriotic, criminal activity.
It starts with the line:
Slavery, we are reminded incessantly these days, was a terrible thing.
As if they needed to be reminded that slavery was a terrible thing. Pretty funny, but things go downhill from there. It then goes on to explain that taxes are unconstitutional, and it explains how you can get out of paying income taxes altogether. What a great way to support out troops Tedd! Cheat on your taxes! Super. And you get offended when I call these tax cheats kooks? They are worse than that, I am amazed that you support these guy’s theories.
The final link is a somewhat less kooky article by Tibor Machen, who just uses the word ’slavery’ in the title of his article to draw attention, but does not in fact argue that taxes are equivalent to slavery. He believes taxation is extortion, a bit more defensible position than slavery, in my opinion. He mentions the word ’slavery’ once in the article, just to say that just like we abolished slavery, we should abolish taxes. He does not explain how to cheat on your taxes, like the other article. I would say this guy is a harmless academic, not a kook, and not one who encourages criminal activity.
I urge you not to follow the advise you are promoting with the first two links, there are people in jail who have followed similar advise. Even if you somehow avoid prison, you would not exactly be an upstanding citizen.
I doubt you are a tax cheat Tedd, but do you really want to be promoting these ’scholars’?
October 6th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Good Lord above. On this blog comparing paying taxes to slavery, on the other blog comparing republicans to russians and how we are killing soldiers. Think I have had enough for one night.
October 6th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Thanks for reading Um Cara. I respect your point of view. I picked these people at random and do not necessarily agree completely with them. There are really thousands of other ones. I was just backing up my point for definition purposes. I pay taxes, I just don’t like paying my share and someone elses. I think I made my point even if you disagree. I can respect that. Again, thanks for reading. Going to bed. Till the next good discussion. Love you guys. You are patriotic for standing up for what you believe. That is American.
October 6th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
AAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
I spent 20 minutes of my life reading tedious articles you picked at random? And that is how you ‘back up’ your points? Is that how you form your opinions, just random word association?
Dude, you owe me 20 minutes of my life back. I will never read another link of yours.
I now get to pick 3 tedious liberal articles, and you have to do a book report on them.
October 6th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
OL, “Francis Schaeffer — denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government”
Im still trying to verify this, only have a quote of a Christian hater, and it just seems far fetched. it seems like someone is saying this Christian defender guy who wrote the manifesto book actually called for the violent overthrow of the US govt and Reagan and all those guys smiled and said hey lets do lunch? no. it didnt happen that way and you know it.
“In Central America, The Republicans were supporting the most brutal regimes, and death squads, just as they supported the war criminal, Pinochet in the 70s.”
wrong Old Lefty, youve written this incorrectly, it was the republicans who supported the freedom fighters, we were helping defend the innocent people who were attacked, invaded and had their land taken and friends/family killed, the communist Sandanista’s, they went into villages looted and raped and demanded the men join the military, murdering anyone who would resist. thats who your democrats defended, the murderers, they were allied with Castro and Cuba allied with the USSR.
America didnt see the secret Ollie North slide show, the slides your democrats refused to allow in the hearings because they knew if the American people saw those slides of Soviets shipping nukeular missles into Daniel Ortega’s country by way of Cuba and actually SAW the images? they would support Reagan. There was no high speed internet, no way to get color images and home computers couldnt even display high resolution images unless they were high end. there was NO foxnews. most tv sets were rotary dial with channel 2 to 13.
“Iran Contra was ONLY to fund a war without going through congress. The Reagan administration showed ABSOLUTE contempt for American values.”
American values? what do YOU mean? Reagana sought to protect the USA from nukes and the Soviet Union who already owned Cuba and was moving into this hemisphere to take over, putting nukeular long range missles in central America with live nukeular warheads, armed and ready to launch just many hundreds of miles south of our border? after the USSR bragged about world domination and overthrow of the USA? and Castro yelling to the Soviet guy, Kruschev was it? to lite off a nukeular bomb on the USA! nuke the USA, Castro yelled. and Castro was now helping the USSR setup nuke missles south of us?
but you democrats are ok with that? you did all you could to stop Reagan who was stopping the USSR/Castro/nukes
You bet Ollie North lied to congress! thank God for it, North is a great American hero for it.
Because? because of what the lie was about. what North “lied” about. you dont know do you? it was what the liberal media worked hard to conceal. you heard that North lied, you didnt hear about what it was specifically.
1000 points if you know
October 6th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Alan,
I can’t believe you were asking how many people did Ayers kill in his attacks when Dick Morris compared Ayers terrorism with Bin Laden’s. Your response to Dick Morris comparing the two terrorists is to defend Ayers terrorism acts as not being as serious as Bin Laden’s? What is wrong with this picture?
At first the argument was Obama was not really associated closely with these radical people, now that it is clear that he was, the argument has changed to how bad are these people really?? I can’t believe my ears. Now the fact that Obama would meet with the leader of Iran makes sense. Now, the fact that Obama said he would just go in and bomb inside of Pakistan even if they said no also makes sense. The reason it now makes sense is the fact that I don’t see him as a democrat anymore, I now see him as terrorist sympathiser, and a radical. Why won’t he open his college records and papers? He is a radical isn’t he? We should all be worried!
Melinda Gilbeau,
Linden CA
October 7th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Bradley,
I thought I would try my hand at writing like a conservative: All opinions and wishes presented as ABSOLUTE PROVEN TRUTH!!…and ANYONE who disagrees is evil and HATES America!!
Reagan Did NOT seek to protect the USA from nukes and the USSR, he sought to protect wealthy corporations from the will of the people and democracy.
Iran – Contra was nothing more than a right wing scheme to use the US treasury and military to replace democratically elected leaders who placed the welfare of their people above the profits of US corporations, with brutal fascist dictators.
Spare me the nuke fears when at the same time they were nuking up Pakistan against the world’s largest democracy, India.
Oliver North showed contempt for US values AND the US constitution by circumventing Congress to carry out the will of a small kabal of people who thought they were above the law and could act like gangsters, and then lie when he got caught.
The American people don’t approve of overthrowing elections in other countries, so conservatives just lie to them, tell them there is a “threat”, (just like Goebbels did), and of course the corporate media just goes along.
Oliver North was a thug and a drug trafficker, who was largely responsible for the cocaine problem of the 80s. The Boland Amendment was passed to PREVENT rouge elements within the government from doing exactly what they were doing.
North’s drug trafficking was a means to get around the laws of our land.
Funny, how he turned to the ACLU for help.
For YOU Republicans, the only difference between right wing and left wing dictators is that right wing dictators are profitable for your oil and arms industries.
As for the “the secret Ollie North slide show,”…… That movie has as much credibility as a Michael Moore movie has for ‘you conservatives’.
And before you bring in the, North “warned about Osama bin Ladin,”, that’s an urban myth that has been debunked, but I know that ‘you ‘ republicans love to repeat it.
Oliver North is an American disgrace!
OK, I don’t like talking like a right winger. It feels petulant and childish.
October 7th, 2008 at 8:23 am
“I remember democrats espousing once upon a clinton time that a man’s personal dealings with his wife/wives/girlfriends, even in the oval office were none of our business?”
Oh, definitely, that’s still the case. Actually, the only reason Republican leaders’ indiscretions are brought up to Republicans, is because they’ve claimed to care about those things in the past.
Republicans and Neocons made it clear that THEY care about politicians’ private lives, to the extent they’ll spend MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars to take an adulterous president down because of past behavior.
They seem strangely quiet with their own serial adulterers. We try to point it out to them, but they can’t listen for the fingers in their ears.
October 7th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Actually, republicans always seem to get caught. Republicans tend not to be good at some stuff. Their cover up skills are truly lacking and have proven one of their chief downfalls throughout American history.
I think, Sarah, that I would recommend not using the term “Republican leaders”. Oxymorons like that are not productive to discussions. he he he
October 7th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Sheesh, where I live that is called hypocrisy. But thanks for trying to be a moral authority.
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