GOP Claiming Voter Fraud Even Before The Election
What the Republicans are doing is setting the stage to declare that Barack Obama won illegitimately. They know they’re going to lose, and lose big. They know that they’re losing among independents and even Republicans repulsed by what’s going on in this country. So they are going to claim that Obama won only because too many people registered to vote illegally.
Step one for the GOP is to demonize ACORN, the group that prominently registers voters in places like Obama’s hometown of Chicago. The next stop is to tie ACORN to Obama. We’ve already shown how this is being overstated.
Tom Matzzie at Huffington has some specifics on how ACORN operates.
The facts about ACORN are worth getting out. ACORN is an organization that, among other things, registers low-income people to vote. One of the ways they do this is to hire door-to-door canvassers from the neighborhoods they are working in. This sort of work is tightly regulated. So, when one of the thousands of people they give jobs to doesn’t do their work right and brings back bogus or phony voter registration cards, the law REQUIRES that ACORN turn the forms in to the voter registration office. The law, rightly, doesn’t want anybody throwing out voter registration forms for any reason.
But ACORN goes a step farther. They have people assigned to do quality control on all the cards–calling people on the forms after they fill them out. When they find bad information on the cards they attach a cover sheet to the card but, as mentioned above, they turn in the cards as required by law. The effect is that a few bad canvassers or a poorly run office will mean that bad cards are submitted as part of the normal process. But ACORN has done everything possible to make sure voting officials know to check the forms.
Intimidating potential voters and groups that register them can lead to voter purging and suppression. The best insurance against false claims of dirty pool by the right would be a substantial win for Obama. As long as it’s close, they’ll claim it’s not a real victory.
way to spin the facts there alan. I went to the local grocery store (food lion), in the “low income neighborhood” mostly minorities and illegal immigrants, here in North Carolina, and I saw two people at both entrances trying to get people to register to vote. SO, as an experiment, I went to the “high income” area (the white folk) to the grocery store (harris teeter) and noticed there wasnt one soul trying to get people to register to vote. you can spin spin the facts as you ignorant liberal lice like to try to do but its plain and simple to see whats going on.
October 13th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
add to that…I forgot to say, as I was walking into that food lion, the young lady didnt ask me if I was registered (I made eye contact with her and everything b/c I actually wanted to talk to her) but she was all over the old black lady that was right behind me. TRUE STORY. Is this not racism or voter fraud?
October 13th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Yes, they are going to whine no matter what. They were crying foul over the PBS moderator before the VP debate even took place. Alanisaconservative had you stopped to think that maybe “the high end” grocery store has less traffic due to higher prices and that maybe just maybe Food Lion is the more busier better place to conduct such business? I am middle class and stay away from HT. Lice? I guess when wit and fact fail belligerence and name calling prevail.
October 13th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
So, is signing up people to vote illegal now? I was just at a local fair and there was a Democratic booth with folks signing up, presumably, mostly democrats, and a Republican booth, signing up mostly republicans to vote. I guess I should have alerted election officials of this obvious and very devious behavior.
way to spin the facts there alan. I went to the local grocery store (food lion), in the “low income neighborhood” mostly minorities and illegal immigrants, here in North Carolina, and I saw two people at both entrances trying to get people to register to vote. SO, as an experiment, I went to the “high income” area (the white folk) to the grocery store (harris teeter) and noticed there wasnt one soul trying to get people to register to vote. you can spin spin the facts as you ignorant liberal lice like to try to do but its plain and simple to see whats going on.
October 13th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
“Is this not racism or voter fraud?”
How would you know? The answer is you don’t. You make assumptions based on your own preconceptions. You see a Mexican guy who doesn’t speak English and you presume he’s illegal. Which only tells us who and what you are.
Most people don’t “know” a damn thing. They just make it up as they go along.
October 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
REpublicans have infiltrated ACORN and submitted those fake , duplicate voter registration forms.
October 13th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
“You see a Mexican guy who doesn’t speak English and you presume he’s illegal.”
HAHAHA yes very much so…you dont…idiot? kind of tells me who and what you are. you know to become a citizen you have to know a series of questions about American history and it kind of tells me something when the only words they know are “hello”. good gracious you liberals are some of the dumbest most nieve elitist scum in America. name calling is all I have left, so call me ignorant.
October 13th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Allanisaconservative is ignorant:
Not true. That is certainly one way to become a citizen, the more common way is to be born here.
October 13th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
so numbers of mexicans in America has expanded exponentialy (sp) b/c mexican parents in America have been having 20 babys per family? good argument there genius.
October 13th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Alanisaconservative is either confused or crafty, you decide:
Where did I say anything about the number of babies the average Mexican American has? Where did I talk about an exponential growth in people with Mexican heritage in the U.S.?
I thought we were talking about achieving citizenship. Are you changing the topic because you were confused about what we were talking about, or is it some bizarre debate tactic?
October 13th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
There is voter registration fraud being investigated. ACORN is involved. Every American who is registered to voted, regardless of party should be outraged that this is going on. Who reportedly gave ACORN over 800K earlier this year?
October 13th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Bad news for the Nevada branch of ACORN. Tony Romo of the Dallas Cowboys hurt his pinky in the game against Arizona yesterday and is out four weeks, seriously jeopardizing his chances to vote in Nevada on election day. Insiders believe that Mickey Mouse will not show either.
October 13th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
T. Mason notes:
There is voter registration fraud being investigated. ACORN is involved. Every American who is registered to voted, regardless of party should be outraged that this is going on.
Yes, for the most part it was ACORN who noticed and reported the false registrations.
Who reportedly gave ACORN over 800K earlier this year?
I’m not sure, I do know that on February 20, 2006, Senator McCain was the keynote speaker at an ACORN-sponsored Immigration Rally in Miami, Florida at Miami Dade College.
Was it McCain?
October 13th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
What would we do without the antics of Alanisaconservative?
btw, I’m abbreviating his username. I don’t have time to type out all that silliness. From now on, he is AIACLU to me.
lol
October 13th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Not McCain.
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203
I doubt that ACORN noticed and reported the fake registrations in Nevada where their office was raided while they weren’t there.
The testimony I heard today from some of the people ACORN “helps” pointed to bullying tactics akin to the bullies on the playground who steal lunch money.
October 13th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Shoot. I thought for sure it was McCain since he has been supportive of them in the past.
As far as a specific case in Nevada, it will of course be interesting to see how that investigation plays out. However, ACORN regularly reports false registrations – it is in their interest to do so. Their employees occasionally defraud them by filling out fake registrations, rather than working to sign up real folks.
Probably some employees bully people into registering to push up their numbers. Obviously no candidate wants potential voters bullied, not a real good idea to irritate potential voters.
October 13th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
“you know to become a citizen you have to know a series of questions about American history”
Alanisaconservative, here is a history question,
Who was here in America first, Those of Latin and Native American decent, or white America. How bout that for a history lesson. White Men, who think like you, stole land for those we now call Mexicans. Why shouldn’t you have to learn their language. They were here first. Oh, that’s right, you feel you are entitled because you are white. And quit lying about you went to a couple of grocery stores. You know you spend the entire day in your mother’s basement promoting hate. If you were at the grocery store you were probably begging.
October 13th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
T. Mason,
Yes it was McCain..
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/13/acorn-fires-back-at-mccain/
October 13th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Imsurroundedbyidiots said:
Who was here in America first, Those of Latin and Native American decent, or white America. How bout that for a history lesson. White Men, who think like you, stole land for those we now call Mexicans
Not exactly. Quite a few of those ‘we now call Mexicans’, and Latin Americans in general are of European decent, or mixed race. It wasn’t just in the U.S. that Europeans went hog wild displacing native populations.
In Brazil I’ve noticed people are very aware of their European heritage. I.e. ask the average person from the US what their heritage is and they’ll shrug and say something like ‘uhh.. Smith is an English name, I think. Maybe I have some German in me too”. Ask a Brazilian and they’ll generally know exactly. In Sao Paulo it’s usually Portuguese and Italian. Germans in the south, etc…
October 13th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
“…so call me ignorant.”
It would be redundant.
October 13th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
The ground work is already being laid. The constant of conflating community organisers, minorities, Obama and fake voter registrations as some sort of Machiavellian evil scheme set to take over the country.
The fake Acorn canard is just the shiny keys to distract from the ACTUAL election fraud taking place.
The purges have already begun. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html?hp
October 13th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
UM CARA,
Very valid point, but in that same thinking we can dig even deeper. As you mentioned many were of European decent. But if we are to truly dig into that, what is European Decent? Is that on someone who is from Europe? Or are you saying that they are Caucasian? Please know, I am Not arguing, just enjoying the civilized discussion. Not often do we get that here anyway. On that same premise, what is really the true decent of anyone. If you subscribe to the Genesis believe, then once could argue that they would be of Middle Eastern/Northern African decent. Since early scriptures mention the Tigris and Euphrates rivers which are located in that region. On the other hand, some anthropologist claim some of the earliest human remains have been found in Asia. A very good debate. I by no means claim to be an expert so I appreciate your view. I will have to catch up on my History Channel watching. LOL.
My point in my last post is I think that it is pretty counterproductive to dismiss any race that has a right to this planet as much as everyone since I subsribe to the belief that we are one race, the Human Race.
October 13th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
I was responding to your question:
Who was here in America first, Those of Latin and Native American decent, or white America.
Modern Mexicans came from European ancestry, just like Americans. We displaced the native populations at roughly the same time.
But sure, as far as we know at this point, humans in general probably started out somewhere in Africa, though there are many on this blog who would say we all started out in Eden.
October 13th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
oh here we go…Im sorry I have been away for a while refurnishing my mom’s basement. that evil white man came over here and stole the land. we ran the natives out and enslaved the african people. my question…since the obvious answer to the other one is that you hate white people…is what the h*ll does this have to do with this campaign or the constitution this country lives under? well, I will give you the answer, you liberals are spoiled by what those evil white forfathers of this country did for us. you have done nothing in your life, you have earned nothing in your life, you are like the rich spoiled kids who reject their parents b/c you are self-centered, self-absorbed, narcisstic, self-riteous brats who will only appreciate the land you live in when you dont have it anymore. you have more freedom to b*tch, and believe me you liberals have used it up, but will never be happy b/c individualy you’re miserable b/c you have not earned the right to b*tch. bottom line…
October 13th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
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October 13th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Anisaconservative reads a value judgement into historical fact:
Easy there, tiger. I didn’t say anything about ‘evil white men’, I said Europeans displaced the native populations in the Americas. I defy you to point to a judgement in any of what I wrote. Sounds like you are the one with white guilt, not me. I’ve got nothing against white people.
I never called our forefathers ‘evil’, that’s you doing that. As far as doing and earning, I work pretty damn hard, actually. And I’m doing all right, thanks. And woo hoo! Stock market finally took a turn for the better!
Dude, you are doing some major projecting. I’m very happy, you however sound angry and bitter. Plus you seem to be carrying a great deal of white guilt and apparent hatred for your forefathers. Cheer up! Maybe you should quit listening to Rush – he likes to stir people up and get them mad, it doesn’t sound like you need any more anger in your life.
October 13th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Given the flip-flop on public funding, and the fact that Senator Obama hails from Chicago, you have to expect a lot of “trust but verify”.
Less would fail the due diligence test.
October 13th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Allen said: “As long as it’s close, they’ll claim it’s not a real victory.”
So you’re saying the Republicans are adoptimg the left’s strategy? With respect to the timing, is it not better to stop fraud prior to the election?
October 13th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Also: http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2008/10/voter-fraud-you-can-believe-in-every.html
Go ahead, click it.
October 13th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Why do you conservatives expect liberals to give anymore credibility to accusations from your far right wing sources, than you would to those that you call far left?
October 13th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Oldlefty- Your point is valid, but the link refers to a CNN report (with video). Not exactly an oasis for right wing thinking.
October 13th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Flyover,
Everyone who pays for registering voters has these problems. People register Heda Lettuce because they get paid for the number of registration forms they turn in.
It’s up to the election boards to verify them.
No one is actually trying to vote.
There is ALSO this problem:
Tens of thousands illegally denied voting rights
In Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada and North Carolina, eligible voters were taken off rolls, and new registrations were blocked, illegally.
WASHINGTON (AFP) – Tens of thousands of voters in at least six battleground states have been removed from election rolls or have been illegally blocked from registering to vote, according to an investigation by the New York Times published Thursday.
Or in 2004:
The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O’Dell, chief executive of Diebold voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is “committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year.”
In heavily Democratic areas around Youngstown, where nearly 100 voters reported entering ”Kerry” on the touch screen and watching ”Bush” light up, at least twenty machines had to be recalibrated in the middle of the voting process for chronically flipping Kerry votes to Bush.(165) (Similar ”vote hopping” from Kerry to Bush was reported by voters and election officials in other states.)
Students on several college campuses nationwide have reported voter registration scams in which their polling place or party affiliation were changed after they signed a petition to support the legalization of medical marijuana, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported Oct. 23.
Conservatives worry about “voter” fraud, while liberals worry about “election” fraud.
Why would ACORN get more coverage than the machines that are privately, owned, partisan, and count our votes in secret?
#1. ACORN represents poor people.
#2.Sumner Redstone, CEO of CBS ’s parent company Viacom, made an unusual political statement at a gathering of corporate leaders in Hong Kong (Asian Wall Street Journal, 9/24/04):
I don’t want to denigrate Kerry… but from a Viacom standpoint, the election of a Republican administration is a better deal.
Redstone repeated these sentiments in an interview with Time (10/4/04):
Senator Kerry is a good man. I’ve known him for many years. But it happens that I vote for Viacom. Viacom is my life, and I do believe that a Republican administration is better for media companies than a Democratic one.
Good Night, All.
October 13th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
The current Obama campaign gave over $800,000 to a group affiliated with ACORN, and they’re up to their eyeballs in registration fraud. So there is a link between Obama and ACORN’s fraudulent ways.
October 13th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
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October 14th, 2008 at 12:31 am
Another day, another Republican “super story” that just is stupid….
They are going to lose because they don’t like McCain, don’t support his policies, and can’t stand Palin….
It’s blowing up in their faces and GOP
really means Going On Panic…..when no confidence exists, you run on what you have….panic.
October 14th, 2008 at 12:33 am
The $800,000 was for get out the vote drives during the primaries.
It has nothing to do with the presidential election.
As has been pointed out, ACORN is required to turn in all registrations, good or bad.
ACORN has culled many, maybe most, of the ‘bogus’ registrations out themselves.
October 14th, 2008 at 3:43 am
McCain was the keynote speaker at ACORN’s 2006 Rally!
I guess he was for it before he was against it.
October 14th, 2008 at 7:10 am
LOL Lefty! I just googled it. Lots of links. Here’s one from the Daily Kos which included how it was originally billed:
McCain Attended ACORN Rally
Miami, Florida – February 20, 2006 ― Leaders from a diverse array of sectors will hold a rally in Miami on Thursday, February 23, 2006, in support of comprehensive immigration reform in an effort to keep immigration reform at the forefront of the public debate. Leaders from both political parties, immigrant communities, labor, business, and religious organizations will gather to call on Washington to enact workable reform.
The rally will feature Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) as the headline speaker along with elected officials, immigrants and key local and national leaders. Sen. McCain is one of the chief sponsors of the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act; bipartisan, comprehensive immigration reform legislation introduced last Congress and scheduled for consideration by the Senate in the coming weeks. A similar rally with Sen. McCain is planned for New York City on February 27 [...]
The rally in Miami is being sponsored by the New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC) in partnership with ACORN, Catholic Legal Services – Archdiocese of Miami, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, Florida Immigrant Coalition, Miami Dade College, People for the American Way/Mi Familia Vota en Acción, Service Employees International Union, and UNITE HERE.
October 14th, 2008 at 7:49 am
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October 14th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Trying to tie McCain to voter fraud because he spoke at a rally in 2006 is like trying to tie an innocent shopper to theft because they shopped in the store two years prior to a theft taking place.
This has allegedly happened with this orginization before. makes you wonder why oh why they were originally going to receive money from the stimulus package.
Spare me. Obama’s campaign gave ACORN over 800K earlier this year, and at first said they didn’t. Then they said the contribution was for staging and lighting. Now they are admitting it was for ACORN. I have never in my life heard of one non-profit giving money to another non-profit? Isn’t that like the United Way giving money to the Salvation Army?
October 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Alan:
I know John McCain spoke at the ACORN rally you mentioned; but did HE or his campaign(s) ever donate money to ACORN? Also, did John McCain ever work for ACORN in any capacity? Just wondering.
October 14th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
“Isn’t that like the United Way giving money to the Salvation Army?”
Where I live, the United Way does nothing BUT give to local non-profits– like Habitat for Humanity, Women’s Shelters, food pantries, etc. That’s why they’re a really cool non-profit.
But I see where you’re going with your analogy.
October 14th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
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October 15th, 2008 at 9:46 am
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October 19th, 2008 at 11:42 am