“Joe the Plumber” Thinks An Obama Victory Means “Death to Israel”

October 28th, 2008, 10:52 PM EDT

Only he doesn’t know why.


 

h/t Think Progress

Posted in Liberaland by Alan

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  1. Mr Colmes – just wanted to tell you that you’re great – its fun to watch you and sean spar every night!

    this does seem to go a little too far, DEATH of israel …. but Jesse Jackson did say that an Obama admin. would mean a change in strategy for Israel, i think thats where people get that from .. it can be confusing!

    Posted by danilel munn
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

  2. It’s one thing to take income that the government receives and gives it back to all the members on an equal basis, it is another to take money from an individual who makes a higher income through his own hard work and then give it to a select group who makes less.

    Maybe, we ought to take some of O’Bama’s money he has received from his campain contributions and give it to McCain to enable him to be on a more equal basis with O’Bama.

    Posted by Donald Henderson
    October 28th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

  3. Take a look at what our friends up North think

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5839

    Posted by LiberalLover
    October 28th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

  4. Joe the Not a Plumber is an excellent spokesperson for the McPalin campaign. He typifies the right wing – uninformed and uneducated. He and Palin make a lovely couple.

    Posted by LDB
    October 28th, 2008 at 11:34 pm

  5. Is Joe the Plumber one of those skin heads?

    Posted by davelee
    October 28th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

  6. Once again attack the messenger for no reason. Joe the plumber said nothing about O’bama’s race. He only put the spot light on his socialism..

    Posted by Derrick
    October 28th, 2008 at 11:58 pm

  7. Joe the plumber is clueless. He asks a hypothetical question. More than likely he assumed that no one was going to pay attention. He wanted to make it seem like he actually was about to make that move when in reality he was nowhere near making it. Then he dedides to MILK this and jump on every show offering up his opinion like he is an authority on something. Then he cries like a little girl when he is exposed. Give me a break. I think that Joe the Plumber has about as much of a clue as to what is really going on in the world as Palin does. NONE… This guy is advocating and campaigning for someone, for a party who wants to do nothing more than hold down people just like him. Amazing what the far right republican mind control machine can do to those in our country with no good sense. I can understand the religious aspect of the Right Wing. I understand many of their idealogies. I see why those who make more than 250k support McCain but for the life of me I have no clue as to why Joe Six Pack doesnt see what the republicans are doing to our country. I guess they are probably to busy getting drunk and playing with hockey moms and their pucks.

    Posted by Ceaser
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:34 am

  8. Alan:

    Thanks for your continued crusade against the scourge of the non-slick middle class.

    Meanwhile, perhaps you’d care to explain why a max’ed BHO donor looked up JTP’s records, and why someone working for the Toledo PD is being investigated for doing the same. I have no doubt that you’ll lead the charge to find out who they sent information to. And, if turns out they sent it to the BHO campaign and that campaign then turned it over the bloggers, I have no doubt that you’ll follow up.

    I also have no doubt that you’ll be as shocked as I am that BHO has a creepy plan to use pre-teens to get votes:

    http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/008230.html

    No, really. He wants kids 12 and under to become fans of his, and then encourage their parents to vote for him.

    The Soviet Union might still be around if BHO had been their charismatic leader.

    Posted by 24AheadDotCom
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:42 am

  9. 24Ahead:

    Are you for real? BHO??? Really?? I saw Fox News the other day on all of the scrolling news and the text on the screen they used every one else’s name except for Obama… The used the initial BHO… trying to highlight his middle name no doubt. IF it was fair and balanced why dont they use everyone initials? This was on one of their horrible morning shows at that.

    Alan, can you do something about this?

    Posted by Ceaser
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:49 am

  10. Joe Six-Pack as you prefer to call me, just happens to love the country that I was born in and the wonderfull place that it is. Never having to beg my gov’t for anything except to get out of the way of my success/failure, whichever it might be. The history of our country is one of independence. I don’t want your money, I will earn my own. All I ask for is a fair tax equal to everybody! Flat tax on consumption, no loop holes.

    Joe is clueless, because he asks the hypothetical question of why O’Bama wants to punish success! And he is the clueless one???

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:52 am

  11. Whats wrong with calling him BHO, thats his initials. Okay JSM, don’t know Sara Palins middle name, sorry, But initials are a good way to make short alerts

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:55 am

  12. Se I guess every president who has been in office under our progressive tax system is a Socialist. Both parties are socialist. Your logic defeats itself. I happen to be a proud American myself. I fought and bled for my country in Iraq and Afganistan. I am a proud US Army veteran. I am disgusted to see what is happening to the country I love at the hands of the Republican extreme right Radicals. I still serve my country as a civilian and I am truly scared of the path that the right wing is taking us.

    I laugh at Joe The Plumber because he attempted to trump his self up to be more than he is. Than cried when he got called on it.

    Posted by Ceaser
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:00 am

  13. Derrick:

    That justification is BS… you know this and I know this. I could see if there was any consistency. But there is not. Maybe when you use everyone initials then you have a leg to stand on.

    SP=Palin
    JM=McCain
    BO=Obama
    JB=Biden

    If it is strictly about abbreviating and making things a little more convenient then use the first and last initial.

    Like I said when the Oh So FAIR AND BALANCED Fox news is running texts and Titles on the screen and they spell out MCCAIN or PALIN then they use BHO in lieu of Obama.. We all know what they are doing. Or do you deny that as well.

    Posted by Ceaser
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:04 am

  14. No, Reagan tried his best, and made a big dent in the path to socialism that we were heading on, especially on the accelerated J.Carter pres. Bush, has me completely stumped, because I held him in such high regard to heading us back towards a more capitalist society. He has done a very poor job on many occasions.

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:05 am

  15. Also, I have never heard Joe crying at all. He just like me, don’t understand what his license has to do with his question, and surely his divorce had no bearing on his question, or how about digging into his financial records, please tell my why he should not scream foul for having that leaked to bloggers. As a military man, you should be outraged by the invasion of privacy to destroy a civilian for a political purpose

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:08 am

  16. ceasar,

    Actually the other morning, I thought to myself, that fox is finally tired of trying to be fair and balanced with the whole media on the Bama side that they threw in the towel, and decided to pull for McCain also. So your point is probably correct.

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:12 am

  17. Derrick:

    Just how is Joe getting destroyed… He made false claims and tried to get his shine in the spotlight. Anyone with an iota of common sense knows that when you seek the spotlight as he did so eager to run in front of the camera and run his mouth you are gonna get scrutinized. The right wing media has done this to others as well.

    As a former military member I have the common sense to know when and what to say…

    It was funny watching the aftermath of the JOe comments to Obama.. It took the media a while to even realize he was not actually a business owner..

    Gotta love it…

    He needs to pay his taxes before he starts worrying about his WEALTH getting redistributed

    Posted by Ceaser
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:14 am

  18. Robohobo: Geo. W. Bush and Alfred E. Newman; separated at birth? There’s your look-alike!

    Posted by Budda
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:19 am

  19. I can see that ‘Joe the Plumber’ is getting primed for 2012 as Sarah Palin’s running mate — what a ticket — Sarah Palin/Joe the Plumber

    Posted by Al in Tucson
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:21 am

  20. Ceaser, sorry I misspelled your name a while ago.

    So, to you, a person needs permission to ask a question 1st, or do we just fill out a dossier and get a back ground check, then permission to speak to his highness.

    Please point to where the right wing has destroyed anybody for asking a question

    And oh he should be personally destroyed for aggrandizing his life a little bit. Is that such a crime that he is not allowed to ask a question. And even so, it still leaves the question that he asked as the problem, not Joe

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:23 am

  21. Great idea Al, I’m all for it as well. Would be the best ticket we have had since Reagan

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:25 am

  22. Derrick:

    Its simple if he wants to get out of the spotlight then get out… The buzz will die down eventually. He is trying to cash in on this… We all know this.. I think i saw something reported on a book deal or whatever.. Now he is making campaign appearances.. That is not someone who wants to be left alone…

    If he had ever attempted to fade away I could respect his complaints about being scrutinized. But since he is attempting to make all he can out of this it is falling on deaf ears to be honest.

    Posted by Ceaser
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:28 am

  23. Reagan; didn’t he quadruple the national debt? Didn’t he have al’s hammer? Wasn’t he an actor?

    Posted by Budda
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:28 am

  24. His business was literally shut down by reporters calling so much that he customers could not call in. And since he asked such a good question that spotlights O’Bama’s socialist program’s, he is doing good for himself and prospering on his own. Because he asked a good question, that needs to be answered. And I bet after it is all said and done, he will earn over $250k, and will be punished by Bama’s tax plan

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:35 am

  25. Reagan,

    Didn’t he destroy communism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Yeah thats right he did

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:36 am

  26. I thought it was the business he worked for… LOL..

    To each his own.. I hope he makes it wherever he is trying to go…

    I am sure he wont be punished to badly by Obamas tax plan.. He will more than likely just not pay them again.

    But I am willing to be that Mccain will help him out.

    Posted by Ceaser
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:37 am

  27. Why don’t you all understand that he wants you to decide? He’s not the one that claimed it; only agreed to the individual that said it. He didn’t want to give reasons because he don’t want us to be influenced by his words, but to go out and question yourself as to why and find it out for yourself. I respect him before I question his motives. It’s obvious he side with GOP conservative views; that’s a given. It’s just unfortunate that because Obama although pushes on politicians to be transparent has not been an open book, we only have limited information such as associations. To what extent, we don’t know, and when it’s questioned, he brushes it off giving us answers irrelevant, and hence forces us to presume. And because we presume, ‘Joe’ didn’t want to give his presumption to influence us, but left that judgement to us. And what’s wrong with that???

    Posted by JunK
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:39 am

  28. Derrick you and most Reagan lovers are wrong, communism and more specifically the U.S.S.R. self destructed. Ronnie just happened to be around when it happened

    Posted by Budda
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:40 am

  29. It was the business he worked for that got shut down, by the phone calls. And now, I believe he is enjoying the spot light, and I hope it does work out well for him. Bet , he gets audited under an O’Bama presidency, thats for sure. Was one of Clintons favorite tricks

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:42 am

  30. Oh boy it is fun to see the Dem’s starting to sweat!! After the last 8 years, BO is the best you can come up with?? He is getting hammered by a phony plumber!! I love this.

    Posted by LibertarianBill
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:42 am

  31. Budda,

    Yeah thats right, Reagan and Star War’s pushing the Ruskies into a defense spending race that imploded their country had nothing to do with it. And if socilalism is so great, then why does communism imploding not act as a warning that socialism is not a good thing. And what eventually brought Russia back to life,,,, capitalism????

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:45 am

  32. Dems sweating? Joe the Plumber is actually relavent? Talk to you in a week and lets see who is sweating.

    Posted by Budda
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:46 am

  33. This garbage about associations is ridiculous. I am confused as to how transparent you want Obama to be. HE has answered the questions on his past associations.

    He didnt answer them the way the radical right wishes he would answer them. They want to hear Obama say he is a terrorist and he supports Ayers and all that BS..

    They will not get the answer they are looking for…

    Sadly they dont want the truth.. they just want something to attempt to hang him with.

    Posted by Ceaser
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:51 am

  34. Where has he answered any questions about Ayers, beyond he was 8 at the time, and that what he did was despicable. It’s not the right, it’s the fact that the liberal media investigated Joe the plumber more thourghly than they did O’Bama.

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:55 am

  35. Star Wars, is that up and working? Maybe it was just a HUGE waste of tax payers $ to Calif. military/industrial complexes? Say, isn’t that socialism to the rich?

    Posted by Budda
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:58 am

  36. Budda,

    The fact that we have a whole thread going on Joe the Plumber proves that the sheep are worried that the sheepdogs are gaining ground. Let me state this as well…..I am not a McCain supporter, but I have to be to protect his country from destruction.

    Posted by LibertarianBill
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:59 am

  37. Star wars was never built, but it did push the evil empire into spending money on defense spending that it could not keep up with, thus destroying communisim.

    Is defense spending socialism, I guess it is, but the idea is to cut spending everywhere you can, and Reagan did that, and especially he cut taxes dramatically from the carter years. So the answer is to try our best to cut gov’t spending where we can. Not grow it, and make more people dependent on it.

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:07 am

  38. Everyone, there is nothing to worry about if Obama is elected. The country will still be intact and functioning as it always has. No socialism, no communism just plain old Americanism. We will ALL survive and prosper.

    Good night, the sun has now settled in this old New Mexico town.

    Posted by Budda
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:09 am

  39. Good night Budda. Don’t forget the men who have died so we all can talk openly and freely on sites like this!!

    I believe in the United States of America as a government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed, a democracy in a republic, a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.

    I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it, to support its Constitution, to obey its laws, to respect its flag, and to defend it against all enemies.

    Posted by LibertarianBill
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:15 am

  40. Budda,

    There is always something to worry about, whether it is O’Bama or McCain that gets in. Are they holding up our great democracy. And working to stop our socialistic trends? Will we survive? At what point do we not start paying attention to deficits and understand we cannot spend, spend spend. Sooner or later, probably sooner we have to account for all the spending and rein it in.

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:17 am

  41. Amen, LibertarianBill

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:23 am

  42. Ceaser, it’s not only Ayers. Frank Marshall Davis, Khalidi, Rezco, many others, some of which I won’t mention since I respect McCain’s choice on those. If it was one or two, I won’t raise my suspicious antenna, but when the list grows with the majority having some link to Social/Marxist Party, it becomes disturbing.

    Take Rezco, he flat out said he had no close association with him, and when we found out Rezco helped him buy the house after getting elected to the US Senate, he later called his decision to involve Rezko “a bone-headed mistake.” And yet took contribution from him only to give it to charity after that fact was revealed. So unless someone reveals for him, he won’t tell us the truth. That is why we have doubts. Either way, association is petty compared to his honesty. And Obama certainly lacks candor.

    Posted by JunK
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:27 am

  43. Dude.. that like me knowing many of the shady characters i have know or dealt with in the past.. Drug dealers or anything controversial…

    I think its all BS and lame attempts to take the attention away from the real issues of this election and what is plaguing our country…

    Posted by Ceaser
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:35 am

  44. Real problems plaguing our country. Hiring a president, that we have not fully vetted as to his association’s with people that are definitely socialist/marxist america haters?????? That is not important, and yes, I know what shady characters I have run with, and it is easy to check out that I quit them as quickly as I found out they were bad people. Why would I not expect the same from my president?

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:42 am

  45. You are missing the point. If Obama thinks his association REALLY has no bearing to the ISSUE, why would he have to DENY the allegations? His candor not a real issue??? How the heck are we supposed to argue on policies when we don’t know what Obama’s is since we don’t know if he’s even telling us the truth???

    ‘attention away from the real issues’ is what Obama wants you to do.

    Posted by JunK
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:58 am

  46. Well, if you start out by offering to sit down and talk without preconditions with someone who has his own preconditions one of which is the destruction of Israel, then either Israel is going to die or the sitting down was merely an academic exercise.

    Posted by Tom Hanna
    October 29th, 2008 at 6:43 am

  47. So Joe the Plumber who is not a plumber, is not a “Joe”, is now a foreign policy expert?

    More reason to get an intelligent, reasonable grown up in like Obama.

    This crowd has been on the wrong side of EVERYTHING….

    The Shah, over Mossagegh, Pakistan over India, the Pakistani ISI over Abdul Haq and Ahmad Shah Massoud, arming Sadaam, arming Iran, playing both sides of the Iran Iraq war, McCain meeting with Pinochet in 85,

    It’s time for a change.

    Posted by OldLefty
    October 29th, 2008 at 7:17 am

  48. It’s role reversal time. Same scenerio, except “Joe the Plumber” is of a different race, you can choose which one. Do you think “Joe” would have received the same treatment by the media, talk shows, and the McCain Camp? Just trying to look at this “Joe” guy in a different light, if you will!

    Posted by Hamlet
    October 29th, 2008 at 8:46 am

  49. Fear not my liberal leftists friends….6 days and counting,till we will squash the republicans like a bug……..the day will soon be here when we will all be EQUAL…no more will the people that achieved success through hard work and dedication be holding me down anymore….if you make alot of money…you should give more….now it is almost a reality….we should be taken care of from the cradle to the grave as americans…and i will have my fellow liberals to thank for making my life a lot easier…hey mom and dad…who is laughing now!!!….always telling me i need to go to school to get anywhere in life….not if pelosi,reid and obama have anything to say about it….and to think…i was actually going to pay for health insurance to cover me and my 3 kids……the “messiah” will take care of everything…thank you america!!!……..CAPITALISM WILL DIE ON NOVEMBER 4TH……….”From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.” …what a great country we live in!!.

    Posted by LiberalLover
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:27 am

  50. LiberalLover,

    What are you even talking about??

    I guess that Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight D Eisenhower are Marxists also, since Obama is ACTUALLY to the right of them.

    But, hey, don’t let the facts get in the way!

    Are you SO much in favor of taking money from “Joe the Plumber” and giving it to Hollingsworth the Billionaire?

    Are you you so much in love with the GOP’s wealth redistribution that you want to see “Joe the Plumber” lose his job so that Hollingsworth the Billionaire can get a bigger yatcht?

    Are you SO much in favor of the destruction of the American middle class….Perhaps you would be more comfortable in China….. If you were a princeling, that is.

    It’s sad that you have to just repeat right wing propaganda, without ANY facts.

    Posted by OldLefty
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:42 am

  51. Be careful Obama! Joe, the plumber, was a test case.Limit your access, please.

    Posted by pierre
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:44 am

  52. Awesome, Joe the plumber a spoke’s person for McCain… No wonder the core of the republican party is going nuts… 6 more days..

    Posted by carepi,nj
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:48 am

  53. Old Lefty,

    Wold you please explain to me how Teddy and Dwight E, were to the left of O’Bama.

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:50 am

  54. You tell him Oldlefty, well said!

    LiberalLover,

    What are you even talking about??

    I guess that Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight D Eisenhower are Marxists also, since Obama is ACTUALLY to the right of them.

    But, hey, don’t let the facts get in the way!

    Are you SO much in favor of taking money from “Joe the Plumber” and giving it to Hollingsworth the Billionaire?

    Are you you so much in love with the GOP’s wealth redistribution that you want to see “Joe the Plumber” lose his job so that Hollingsworth the Billionaire can get a bigger yatcht?

    Are you SO much in favor of the destruction of the American middle class….Perhaps you would be more comfortable in China….. If you were a princeling, that is.

    It’s sad that you have to just repeat right wing propaganda, without ANY facts.

    Posted by OldLefty
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Posted by carepi,nj
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:51 am

  55. Derrick,

    Can you tell us how McCain is different than Bush?

    WE want to know!

    Posted by carepi,nj
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:52 am

  56. Derrick,

    “Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

    This world in arms is not spending money alone.

    It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

    The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.

    . It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. [...] Is there no other way the world may live?

    -Dwight David Eisenhower, “The Chance for Peace,” speech given to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, Apr. 16, 1953.

    From:

    http://www.ssa.gov/history/trspeech.html

    “We stand for a living wage. Wages are subnormal if they fail to provide a living for those who devote their time and energy to industrial occupations. The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of living–a standard high enough to make morality possible, to provide for education and recreation, to care for immature members of the family, to maintain the family during periods of sickness, and to permit of reasonable saving for old age. ”
    Teddy Roosevelt

    Imagine, a REPUBLICAN president saying that too much of a defense budget is, “a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.”
    Or that the government stands for a wage “ high enough to make morality possible”.

    Today, they would be called far left, commie loones!

    Posted by OldLefty
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:59 am

  57. Mccain is using SEan Hannity’s garbage as a tactic (Irak is a tiny country, the last example).Bush had his own “brain” K. Rove.

    Posted by pierre
    October 29th, 2008 at 10:09 am

  58. 1st Bush/McCain Difference. Bush has fallen very far from what true conservatism is. McCain has a proven record of never asking for any pork for his state, and has promised to work hard to stop it and the lobbyist system that plagues our nation. You won’t get a ringing endorsement for McCain from me, I was very discouraged with him until he got Palin. Her ideas are closer to true conservatism, which is reflected in his poll numbers jumping like they did after he picked her

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 10:45 am

  59. Old Lefty, sorry it took so long to get back to you. I knew the Dwight quote, but not Teddy’s. I would give Teddy more of a break, because that was at the very early stages of socialism/communism, where we did not understand the principles of what would happen when we apply these principles to an economy.

    Dwight, without doing my full homework on him, sounds socialist to me. But, still I believe Barrack can’t even tell us all of his plans for what he has instore for us. At least he has the hindsight of history to know that what he proposes will doom the nation financiallly

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 10:52 am

  60. I swear to God. I am so sick of hearing about ’socialism’. Whoever put that word on the right wing talking point list for this election is not my favorite person right now.

    Why can’t people just say ‘It’s a horribly unfair tax program, because X, Y, Z’, if that is what they think.

    People are just lazy and want to throw out a ‘bad’ word so they don’t have to actually explain their problems with the tax program.

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 11:00 am

  61. Why would Joe the Bummer care about a sliver of land in the ME? Is Joe an American or an Israeli?

    Posted by Stan Black
    October 29th, 2008 at 11:09 am

  62. Derrick,

    I think that Barrack Obama wants to return to the very principles that built a strong middle class.

    FDR vs Hoover.

    I think that Bush /McCain think that the economy is reflected by the profits of the elites.

    If they move their corporate headquarters off shore, (but not their boardroom), and make the butcher, and baker pick up the slack in taxes….

    If they go to China, Viet Nam or Saipan and use sweat shop labor, AND import cheap labor here, thus making Americans compete for the lowest wages….

    Remember, they don’t allow YOU to go to Canada for the lowest price of drugs.
    YOU cannot make them compete for your business, but they can make you compete with third world countries for jobs?

    This, in their view, is good, and will trickle down.

    It is, in my opinion, socializing the risks and losses, while privatizing the profits.

    And Obama’s tax cut is STILL less than Clinton’s, (his started at $150,00), so Obama is still very centrist.

    Posted by OldLefty
    October 29th, 2008 at 11:11 am

  63. Very well put Um Cara , mi amigo. The word and its context have been distorted and bastardised by its current use.

    Posted by Budda
    October 29th, 2008 at 11:15 am

  64. “Great idea Al, I’m all for it as well. Would be the best ticket we have had since Reagan”

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:25 am

    ***************************

    More exaltation of ordinary and average people to fill the above average and leading roles of public office. Talk about low expectations. Good going. Sam the Septic Tank Cleaner for Secretary of State! Go!

    Posted by Stan Black
    October 29th, 2008 at 11:21 am

  65. Oh wow, like were to start. The socialist slogan got out there when O’Bama said lets share the wealth. Thats socialism, punish the rich for success, and give to the poor, making them beholden to gov’t for everything. Because the true elites are the lib’s, because they feel they know better than everybody else how to spend our money.

    Next, Old Lefty,

    FDR and the new deal, was the begining of socializing our country. He was real friendly with Stalin. McCarthy was investigating all the commies that served in his admin. As to companies leaving the average man to pay the tax. Yes, that is a shame. But the answer is not to punish them further. Instead, look to the tax rate’s that are so punishing already (2nd highest in the world). Why not give them a reason to stay here with their jobs. Like the increase in business’s moving to Ireland with no corporate tax. It’s not wages there.

    As for drugs, thats our socialist gov’t fault that the drugs are higher here than in Canada. The Fda has put such incredibly high standards to pass a drug, it is cheaper to sell them in other countries. Once again, showing gov’t screws everything up better than it fixes anything. As for me, I go to Mexico to buy my perscription drugs.

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 11:37 am

  66. Stan Black,

    maybe a little humilty from our public servants is not such a bad idea. Instead of the power hungry set we have now. Also, please point to anything exceptional that BO has ever done.

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 11:39 am

  67. Don’t elect Barack Obama & the Demarcates because of their plans; fire Bush & the Republicans because of their record:
    ……………………………………..Republicans………..Republicans.
    ……………………………………..inherited……………leave behind
    Real.Gdp.Growth……………….4.09%……………….2.65%
    National.Debt…………………..$5.7T…………………$9.2T
    Budget.Deficit/Surplus……….$431B.Surplus……..$734B.Deficit
    Jobs.Created…………………….1.76M………………..369,000
    Americans.In.Poverty………..31.6M………………..36.5M
    Uninsured……………………….38M…………………..47M
    Change.In.Uninsured………….4.5M………………….8.5M
    Premium.Costs per.Family….$6,230………………..$12,106
    Median.Income…………………$49,163………………$48,023
    Change.In.Income……………..$6k.Increase………..$1k.Decrease
    Price.Of.Gas……………………..$1.39/Gallon……….$3.07/Gallon
    Cost.Of.College Per Year………$3,164……………….$5,192
    Personal.Savings………………+2.3%………………..-0.5%
    Consumer.Debt…………………$7.65T……………….$12.8T
    Trade.Deficit……………………$380B……………….$759B
    U.S..Dollar………………………1.07.Euros…………0.68.Euros
    Combat.Readiness……………..Highest…………….Lowest
    Oil.Dependency………………..52.75%.Of.U.S…….60.38%.Of.U.S.
    Pew.Poll.Of.Ten.Nations……..58.3%.Favorably…39.2%.Favorably
    Great.Britain’s.View.Of.U.S…83%.Favorable……56%.Favorable
    Indonesia’s.View.Of.U.S………75%.Favorable……30%.Favorable
    Turkey’s.View.Of.U.S…………52%.Favorable……12%.Favorable
    Germany’s.View.Of.U.S………78%.Favorable……37%.Favorable
    Indonesia’s.View.Of.U.S………75%.Favorable……30%.Favorable
    Turkey’s.View.Of.U.S………..52%.Favorable…….12%.Favorable
    Germany’s.View.Of.U.S…….78%.Favorable……..37%.Favorable

    Posted by Gitmo
    October 29th, 2008 at 11:56 am

  68. Derrick,

    As for drugs, thats our socialist gov’t fault that the drugs are higher here than in Canada.

    Which government is your government? I was under the impression you were an American, but since America is not socialist, I was mistaken.

    Are you Cuban?

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

  69. And what exactly do you think BO will do that will turn the numbers around with the increase tax and spend plans that they want to put in place

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

  70. Trying to see what is getting caught in the filter:
    \
    Nobody is “punishing the rich for success”.
    That is nothing more than right wing propaganda.

    From an Aug 08 GOA report:

    Most corporations, including the vast majority of foreign companies doing business in the United States, pay no income taxes, according to a Government Accountability Office report released Tuesday.

    At an October 2000 town hall on MSNBC’s Hardball, an audience member asked Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) about why the rich pay higher taxes than the middle class. McCain defended progressive taxation, stating, “I think it’s to some degree because we feel, obviously, that wealthy people can afford more”:

    “So, look, here’s what I really believe, that when you are — reach a certain level of comfort, there’s nothing wrong with paying somewhat more. … And frankly, I think the first people who deserve a tax cut are working Americans with children that need to educate their children, and they’re the ones that I would support tax cuts for first.”

    Posted by OldLefty
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

  71. I’m sorry, yes the last 8 on the list will definitely go back up with BO, as he brings us down to the standards of all the other countries. What a win for America!!

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

  72. Next part,

    ( God, I AM long winded),

    David Gergen noted that the Reagan administration was responsible for enacting the Earned Income Tax Credit, an extremely successful redistribution program which returns money to the working poor.
    To expect a corporation to pay their share of the infrastructure that they use, is not punishing them.

    What the big corporations want now is corporate welfare.
    As a matter of fact, maybe with Barack’s plan, the Mom & Pops will have a chance to compete.

    Posted by OldLefty
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

  73. Derrick,

    I’m sorry, yes the last 8 on the list will definitely go back up with BO, as he brings us down to the standards of all the other countries. What a win for America!!

    You think our current economic ’success’ is why world opinion on US is down?

    Sheesh, I’d hate to think what they would think of us if we weren’t in the worst economic crisis since the depression.

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

  74. Uma,

    Of course I’m an american that is disgusted with the socialist heading of our country since W. Wilson. I see no reason that we want to encourage a path that is failing in Europe and Canada.

    Old Lefty,

    Again I agree on some parts of what you say. But, if companies are not paying taxes, then is it not the fault that lobbiest are paying our congress and senate for tax loop holes. And how come as a small business man myself I pay taxes. And I use every loophole I can find to do it. I would prefer a flat tax on consumption, so that the wealthy will pay more since they consume more. Leave food out to help the poor.

    Also, it is fine to give tax breaks to the middle-class and poor. But at some point, you have to say we are paying enough taxes, even the rich. Taxes are a punishment, necessary at some level, but punitative none the less

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

  75. Actually, yes, I do believe they hate us, because we have taken a path that does not go the way they believe we should. And for business, they are looking to us, to pull us out, look at the value of the dollar. It has sky rocketd with the crisis, because U.S. dollars are the safest currency around

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

  76. Derrick,

    Uma,

    It’s ‘Um’, I’m a dude.

    Of course I’m an american that is disgusted with the socialist heading of our country since W. Wilson. I see no reason that we want to encourage a path that is failing in Europe and Canada.

    What ’socialist’ heading is that? And socialism is perfectly successful in some countries, not in others. Just like capitalism.

    Just curious, are you aware there are other colors besides black and white, or are you a two color guy?

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

  77. Derrick, I think BO will serve up the same piping hot bowl of BS as the other politicians, but the at least the message will sound a little better and the messenger will look different from the other BS’er. And at the point I’ll take the last 8, because once Israel hits Iran, we’ll need all the friends we can find.\

    Posted by Gitmo
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

  78. Derrick,

    Actually, yes, I do believe they hate us, because we have taken a path that does not go the way they believe we should.

    And what has lead you to that belief? How many folks from other countries have you had this discussion with?

    And for business, they are looking to us, to pull us out,

    The size of the U.S. economy is roughly equal to the size of the entire European Union’s economy, of course it is important to the entire world that the US economy is on track. It’s not like they are ‘looking to us’ because they think we are so smart about ‘business’. Canada, for example, has half the exposure to the credit default swap idiocy the U.S. has gotten itself into because they actually regulated their market.

    look at the value of the dollar. It has sky rocketd with the crisis, because U.S. dollars are the safest currency around

    The dollar has skyrocketed due to it’s scarcity. Have you any understanding of the credit market logjam?

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

  79. Uma,

    Scarcity of the dollar, does not make sense, because the Fed has been on a printing spree since Greenspan. Look to the falling intrest rates that helped with the problem we have now.

    Outside of Mexican nationals, and canadians, no I don’t get a chance to talk to many other nationals. But, I hear their leaders talking on TV, and believe they have turned their back’s on us when we needed them. So why should I care what they think of us. Also, I believe the problems they have created in their own countries will cause them to suffer the crisis worse than we will hear. Not just because of our economies, that plays a part, but so do their social programs. As for canada, I have not really checked on how they were doing, I have been curios to find out.

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

  80. Looking a Joe the plumber’s interview he admitted he doesn’t know enough concerning foreign issue for you to go by what he said and also said it would be DANGEROUS to judge on his statement. NOW that was pityful I really felt sorry for him looking so blank. Shame on you McCain for using this man and making an A$$ of him on national tv. McCain/Palin is using every measure possible to win with scripting the person. Palin’s comment on the fruit flies was also an uneducated answer. How much more dumpness do she need to demostrate with listening to the advisers on issues that’s so important. Well this shouldn’t be a surprise since Palin doesn’t know the proper role of VP.

    Posted by strange
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

  81. Derrick,

    Uma,

    It’s ‘Um’, I’m a dude

    Scarcity of the dollar, does not make sense, because the Fed has been on a printing spree since Greenspan. Look to the falling intrest rates that helped with the problem we have now.

    You are of course correct about the ‘printing spree’ the Fed has been on, which did indeed lead to the devaluation of the dollar (a conscious strategy by the Fed to stave of the recession, and for other reasons as well).

    But have you heard nothing of the credit crisis? In vastly oversimplified terms, people want dollars, but they can’t get ‘em, the scarcity caused the dollar to appreciate.

    Outside of Mexican nationals, and canadians, no I don’t get a chance to talk to many other nationals.

    I do get the chance. I don’t live in the U.S., and I have the good fortune to work with folks across the globe. They aren’t mad at us for our economics, or any other domestic policy. It’s the war. Plain and simple. Bush squandered the incredible good will the U.S. had with his go it alone approach to Iraq.

    I hear their leaders talking on TV, and believe they have turned their back’s on us when we needed them.

    No they didn’t. They just did not want to be dictated to by George Bush II. George Bush I had a much better understanding of how to work with the world (as did every other modern president).

    So why should I care what they think of us.

    For purely practical reasons, because it is a global economy. Because the U.S. influence in the world is diminishing as countries like China and India gain influence. There are other non practical, human reasons that should come into play as well, but I won’t go into those. And you should not be as irritated with them as you sound like you are, the failure of Bush II to get agreement is almost one hundred percent due to his ‘cowboy diplomacy’ (which is how you will hear europeans speak of his ‘diplomatic’ skills)

    Also, I believe the problems they have created in their own countries will cause them to suffer the crisis worse than we will hear. Not just because of our economies, that plays a part, but so do their social programs.

    In many cases their social programs will make the crisis more manageable for their citizens.

    As for canada, I have not really checked on how they were doing, I have been curios to find out.

    Specifically with Canada, they were much smarter with regulating how leveraged the credit default swaps could get, so they should be in less trouble than we are.

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

  82. What a freaking parrot!

    Couldn’t the GOP find an actual Jewish person to fear-monger this new myth they’re trying to proffer?

    A “Jew the Plumber” maybe? It’s amazing, he’s not a plumber and he’s not Jewish, but the Right is using Sam Wurzelbacher to promote their cause.

    Well, this little shicksa can’t freakin’ WAIT until the election’s over.

    The fact that Shepard Smith is the latest to be openly appalled by the willful stupidity and nastiness of the GOP, is at the same time gratifying and horrifying.

    Posted by Sarah
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

  83. Um, my sincerest apologies dude for adding the a

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

  84. lol “im a dude” did we not establish you are the “dude” no offense to the big lebowski im sure he wouldnt mind.

    Posted by craig7120
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

  85. Craig,

    no offense to the big lebowski im sure he wouldnt mind.

    A great movie.

    Hey, careful, man, there’s a beverage here!

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

  86. Um Cara,

    I understand the credit crisis very well. And were it came from and how it works. Enough to understand it is not just Bush/Republicans faults. But that still does not explain why Dem’s did not reigh in Freddie and Fannie, they had ample warning their were problems.

    I called my congress/senator to tell them I was against the bailout.

    As to Bush being a cowboy. There are times when we go to the world and ask for their help on a necessary cause, and if they refuse, then we have to go it alone. If they hate us for doing what is right for our country, then it is their problem, not ours. Their are many good people in any country of the world. I just have not been as fortunate as yourself to see more of it.

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

  87. Sarah,

    A “Jew the Plumber” maybe? </blockquote.
    Hahahha… I snarfed my tasty beverage when I read that.

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

  88. Did not realize you were The Dude….. To new to this place

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

  89. Derrick,

    I understand the credit crisis very well. And were it came from and how it works. Enough to understand it is not just Bush/Republicans faults.

    Absolutley not! Everyone get’s a share of the credit for this mess we are in.
    Democrats, Republicans, Senate, House, President, people who borrowed more than they knew they could pay back, banks and investors who swapped financial instruments back and forth without having any idea what their underlying values were, and on and on and on.

    As to Bush being a cowboy. There are times when we go to the world and ask for their help on a necessary cause, and if they refuse, then we have to go it alone.

    But Iraq wasn’t one of those times. And when practically the whole world is asking you to please do something else, it sometimes pays to be humble and take a listen. As we already established, it is in most of the world’s interest for the US to be successful.

    If they hate us for doing what is right for our country, then it is their problem, not ours.

    The don’t hate us for doing what is right for our country, they hate that we didn’t listen to them. They don’t trust us because they feel we lied to them.

    Their are many good people in any country of the world. I just have not been as fortunate as yourself to see more of it.

    Yes there are, and yes I am fortunate, and thankful.

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

  90. Dick ‘The Proctologist’, says Ronald Regan’s Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) sounds like socialism.

    The EITC is the largest poverty reduction program in the United States. Almost 21 million American families received more than $36 billion in refunds through the EITC. These EITC dollars had a significant impact on the lives and communities of the nation’s lowest paid working people, lifting more than 5 million of these families above the federal poverty line.

    Is Dick right??

    Posted by Gitmo
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

  91. Derrick,

    Did not realize you were The Dude

    ‘Um Cara’ is Brazilian Portuguese slang for ‘a dude’

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

  92. yeah, well. the dude abides

    Posted by craig7120
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

  93. Here’s my stab.

    I am presuming when we say ‘the whole world’ it’s actually vague European region or EU states. And with that note, I like to remind you all that their politics was built upon Dictatorship adopting Socialism. As to our Country built on Democracy/Republic adopting Capitalism. So, when you say other countries than ours are succeeding adopting Socialism is because they have roughed out decades of hardship with the help of our Country everytime they failed. Also, it’s an easy adoption because the populus is used to being dictated, they have no quiver to being ruled by government on the notion that government is not ’single’ entity. On the other hand, this Country built on Liberty, Republic, and Democracy, it’s not comforting to adopt Socialism ideals because afterall, someone will have to make a choice for you. And that is chewing on our freedom we all so endure.

    Posted by JunK
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

  94. Um Cara,

    Thank you for the civil discourse. I enjoyed it, now I need to get gone.

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

  95. Good talking to you too Derrick, have a good one.

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

  96. Did I hear right? Joe The Plumber is contemplating a run for Congress in 2010. This was last Saturday on Neal Cavuto. God help Ohio!

    Posted by El Cid
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

  97. Egad. How about Palin-Plumber 2012?

    “Delaware is the Evil Empire! The Boy Scouts are communists! A rifle in every crib and a cross on every wall!”

    Posted by Sarah
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

  98. “Joe Six-Pack as you prefer to call me, just happens to love the country that I was born in and the wonderful place that it is. Never having to beg my gov’t for anything except to get out of the way of my success/failure, whichever it might be. The history of our country is one of independence. I don’t want your money, I will earn my own. All I ask for is a fair tax equal to everybody! Flat tax on consumption, no loop holes.
    Joe is clueless, because he asks the hypothetical question of why O’Bama wants to punish success! And he is the clueless one???
    POSTED BY DERRICK”

    First off, I love this country too. You are just lucky never to have had to ask the govt for anything; ever been homeless? If you ever are (I hope not) then you will receive a crash course on what it means to have a compassionate govt.
    I don’t want your money but the feds do. And they will take it and spend it on what they see fit no matter what you do. You and I get to decide on who will decide what to do with the money.
    Consumption tax is a very bad idea and I’m not explaining it; go ask an economist why we haven’t done this in America if it is such a great idea.
    Joe’s entire question was based on an aspiration not reality. The idea that he caught Obama in anything is ridiculous. If I ask McCain about some tax policy that doesn’t apply to me then I would be discredited too.

    Posted by Eric
    October 29th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

  99. Contributors to the McCain campaign must be happy that all that money wenty to Sarah Palin’s wardrobe while their main spokesman is a tax-deadbeat skinhead who lies about his name his job and his taxes.

    Posted by Jake
    October 29th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

  100. Hey Um, I am a bit disappointed…I had wondered about the name and was trying to decide whether you were the beloved one or the expensive one (isn’t that Portuguese translation?)and now I find you are just”a dude”. LOL
    Kuvas

    Posted by Kuvas
    October 29th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

  101. Joe may be an idiot…

    Posted by sky
    October 29th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

  102. Its kind of lame to mention about 150k spent on wardrobe when Obama spends more on just about everything. Wonder what happened to the real issue you libs claim to stick with?

    Posted by JunK
    October 29th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

  103. wait, I mean IS an idiot

    Posted by sky
    October 29th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

  104. Acutally Obama re-soles his shoes and does not spend a lot on clothes. Apparently, he has raised a lot more money than McCain, so if he wants to spend money to campaign (which is what campaign money is for, not clothes), he can.

    Posted by TruthBtold
    October 29th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

  105. Joe needs to keep his day job. Like those toilets he works with, he’s full of it.

    Posted by TruthBtold
    October 29th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

  106. Plug-joe,the plumber-Plug baby !

    Posted by pierre
    October 29th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

  107. Plunge-Joe, the plumber-Plunge Baby!

    Posted by pierre
    October 29th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

  108. Hey Kuvas,

    Hey Um, I am a bit disappointed…I had wondered about the name and was trying to decide whether you were the beloved one or the expensive one (isn’t that Portuguese translation?)and now I find you are just”a dude”

    Yep, I’m just a dude :^)

    But my mommy loves me, so I’m beloved as well.

    yea, expensive is ‘caro’, ‘cara’ literally means ‘face’, but in Brazil, especially in Sao Paulo, it is slang for ‘dude’. So, minha cara is ‘my face’ or uma cara is ‘a face’, um cara is ‘a dude’. In Rio you would probably use ‘mano’ for dude (well, more like ‘man’, as in ‘hey man, gimme a beer’, but you get the point).

    And pronounce the ‘m’ as an ‘n’, so ‘oon kara’, more or less.

    I gotta tell you, between the masculine and feminine words, the dozen verb tenses, the totally different way they prounouce letters, and the tons of region/city specific slang, Brazilian Portuguese is has been no fun to (barely) learn!

    Posted by Um Cara
    October 29th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

  109. Eric,

    First off, I love this country too. You are just lucky never to have had to ask the govt for anything; ever been homeless? If you ever are (I hope not) then you will receive a crash course on what it means to have a compassionate govt.
    I don’t want your money but the feds do. And they will take it and spend it on what they see fit no matter what you do. You and I get to decide on who will decide what to do with the money.
    Consumption tax is a very bad idea and I’m not explaining it; go ask an economist why we haven’t done this in America if it is such a great idea.
    Joe’s entire question was based on an aspiration not reality. The idea that he caught Obama in anything is ridiculous. If I ask McCain about some tax policy that doesn’t apply to me then I would be discredited too.

    Surely some 30,000 pages (not sure that is right number, but hell of a lot all the same) is a ridiculous amount of tax code that makes cheaters out of everybody, accidentally or not. Flat tax us then, I”m fine with that, it’s just the concept of the tax code being dictated by some of the biggest crooks in the land (legislature) is something to worry about. The ability to pass tax code laws is power, and congress does not want to give up that power, or maybe that should read politicians don’t

    Posted by Derrick
    October 29th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

  110. Dear Alan

    Joe the plumber may not have a degree in Political Science. The questions were hard. FP question? For example, dose every American know who got the noble prize in Chemistry in 2007? I do agree with Joe the plumber because of three reasons and I have a degree in Pol science from Temple University.

    1) Obama is agreeable with “Khalidi.” Khalidi is an educated professor in Columbia U. Obama graduated from that university with Political Science major. That University invited Akhmadinazad to speak last year. The whole thing is controversial. 2) His pary president Jimmy Carter’s book”Aparthied Palestine” is controversial aswell.3) Rev Jessi Jackson said it in Europe. Rev Jackson’s son is a Chicago senetor and his daughter is friends with Mrs. Obama. Rev. Jackson’s Rainbow qualition is huge in America.

    I do not see Iran’s Akhmadinajad’s Neuclear bomb threat in 10 years. I am well read in middle eastern politics. I see problem eruption from Pakisthan. They have neclear Bomb and it is a poor country. They are Sunni Muslim and hate Israil.

    If Sen Obama become our president then do we have to agree with his action all the time? Then why the Democratic Party members hate George Bush? They always trash his idea. He is our elected president just like Obama will be. To me they both are empty headed. Both are Harvard graduate and surounded by weired rich people.

    We made a mistack by electing Bush for eight years. Now there will be another mistack by electing Sen Obama. They both are “out to lunch” and other Democratic big shots will pley with our money. I am a hard working American. I do not want my money will be spend by politicians.

    Posted by Lopa from Philly
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

  111. Is Wurzelbacher a GERMANIC name?

    Posted by pierre
    October 30th, 2008 at 10:42 am

  112. What I don’t get is how Fox News and the other blinded conservatives keep blaming liberal media and the Obama campaign for making Joe look like the idiot he is. Wasn’t it McCain’s campaign that dragged him into the spotlight? Wasn’t it McCain who mentioned him 20+ times during a debate with Obama? Wasn’t it the RNC who tried to make Joe a poster child? Was it not Joe who’s attempting to capitalize on his 15 minutes of fame by pretending to be politically educated? The Republicans are the ones to blame. If you bring someone into the spotlight, they’re going to be vetted for credibility.

    And just to be clear, it’s Joe’s fault too, for biting off more than he could chew. I’ve no formal education past the high school level (can’t afford college, hopefully Obama can fix that issue for my own children) but I make it a point to read and study issues that affect my life.

    Posted by Jim from Jersey
    October 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

  113. Just for the record, Joe would have benefited MORE from Obama’s plan than McCain’s.

    I also want to know why Obama doesn’t focus on the fact that more people will gain opportunity with the larger tax breaks and credits, and have the opportunity to do what Joe lied about doing.

    Posted by Jim from Jersey
    October 30th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

  114. I HOPE MR. COLMES HAS A SUICIDE WATCH POSTED, TWENTY -FOUR HOURS A DAY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK FOR SEAN HANNITY WHEN MR. BARACK OBAMA WINS THIS ELECTION. SEAN WILL PROBABLY JUMP OFF THE TOP OF FOX HEADQUARTERS .MR. COLMES PLEASE WATCH OUT FOR HIM….

    Posted by THE CHIEF
    October 30th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

  115. PALIN HAS THROWN McCAIN UNDER THE BUS.. SHE SAYS IF THEY LOOSE SHE IS GOING TO RUN IN 2012.. MAN, LOOKING PAST TUESDAY NIGHT.. SHE HAS STATED SHE HAS NOTHING TO LOOSE IN THIS ELECTION… SHE ACTS LIKE SHE’S ON THE TOP OF THE TICKET

    Posted by THE CHIEF
    October 30th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

  116. I am truly sick to death of “Joe the not so plumber” and can hardly understand why John McCain and Sarah Palin are touting this not so “man” very much. This guy owes the government back taxes, is related to Charles Keating by marriage, and doesn’t have a plumber license even. According to the “right wing” fringe…This non-taxpaying citizen would be a perfect voter for the so-called Liberal democratic nominee, Barack Obama. I wonder if “Joe” is on welfare? Or is he just not claiming the monies he’s making under the table to pay his fair share in taxes like the rest of us. I guess “Joe” the not so plumber is America’s new minority!

    Posted by kcamara
    October 30th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

  117. Isn’t it interesting, we know more about Joe the plumber than we do about the guy running for president, Barack Obama

    Posted by trees are people too!
    October 30th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

  118. Don’t be ridiculous, Trees. Really, it’s not becoming.

    Posted by Sarah
    October 30th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

  119. Open Letter to Sean Hannity

    Your shameless display of your hypocrisy leaves me HOOKED to your program every night.Somewhat escapist of me,but somehow makes me feel better seeing a hypocrite like you give more evidence for it each night.
    Please rationalize to me how:
    1.You are so upset by people snooping in on Joe the plumber,violating his RIGHT to privacy, and then without pause for breath glowingly GLOAT about how you TRACKED down Ayers,Khalidi(people you had already DAMNED before talking to them),without obtaining their consent,knowing that given the way you painted them,they wouldnt want to talk to you,and KNOWING that you ANYWAY intend to paint them even more negatively after this “confrontation”.I guess right to privacy for a person exists as long as the person is on your side huh Sean?BLOODY HYPOCRITE You Are
    2.I will have the following mock question session with you:
    a.Me:Are you(Sean) proud to be an American?
    Sean:YES I AM(reasonable answer?)
    Me:America killed THOUSANDS of people in Vietnam,innocent civilians.America hasnt shown ANY sign of being sorry for that.America hasnt apologized to the people of Vietnam
    Sean:(You can fill in ANY explanation you want here)
    Me: Okay,America killed 1000s and 1000s of civilians,America didnt show any sign of being sorry for what they did in Vietnam(Or Iraq)…tell me this:If you believe you could be proud of America,proud of being American,without America apologizing for the above,and yet you believe Ayers needs to feel sorry for killing policemen in the 1960s-70s:you know what word iam leading to?You got it…BLOODY HYPOCRITE
    3.The soldiers fighting in Iraq for the USA are brave:They are taking the ultimate risk(of their own individual lives):In return,they’re being told:This is for the safety of your countrymen,for freedom.
    How do you respond?Everytime someone wants to talk about withdrawal from Iraq,you make fun of them with this “white flag of surrender” childish taunt. A TRULY brave man will be a WATCHDOG on the commander-in-chief,and ensure in his limited abilities that the commander-in-chief doesnt send OR leave these brave men and women in harm’s way WITHOUT sufficient cause.A truly brave man will OPPOSE the commander in chief with his fullest ability when the commander in chief abuses his power to send them in harm’s way without sufficient cause.A COWARD like you will HIDE behind THEIR bravery and like to pretend that THEIR bravery oozes on to you by your “white flag of surrender” talk. And worse, when someone actually has the COURAGE to oppose their commander-in-chief for sending the brave men and women of the armed forces into harm’s way without cause, AS AYERS ACTUALLY DID,you have the colossal nerve to call HIM a Coward On Air!!!Guess what Sean,that once again leaves you a HYPOCRITE
    keep the venom coming,Sean Hannity fans absolutely love it!
    Karthik

    Posted by karthiks030977
    November 2nd, 2008 at 1:25 pm

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