What A McCain-Palin Rally Looks Like
November 1st, 2008, 3:40 PM EDT
Keystone Progress put this together from a Palin rally in Johnstown, PA on October 11.
“Hussein Obama…1-2-3 Fairy!”
“Communism! Communism!”
“Go back to Kenya.”
The only difference between Obama and Osama is the ‘bs’.”
“Obama where is he? Where is he? He’s in Africa.”
“Obama bin Laden!”
“Kill some more babies, you bastard!”
“If he gets in office he’s going to have not cross section of America in his cabinet; it’s gonna be Al Sharpton, Reverend Wright, Jesse Jackson…”
Q: “Who are the terrorists?”
A: “Obama-Ayers connection. What more d’ya hafta to say?”
“Get a job!”
WOW !! There are some very shallow people out there.
November 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Here’s my theory:
The only difference between this election and past elections is now—with the internet, YouTube, 10,000 cable channels, cell phone cameras, camcorders and everything else—we can see just how ugly people really are, and what a bunch of thugs live in this country.
And they all think they’re “real” “Americans”.
Like Twain said, you can’t libel the human race.
November 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Ugh. Makes me ashamed of people in general.
These are the people at the GOP rallies. That one guy had a monkey doll – I almost threw up, those people are just foul.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Some of this rhetoric…especially the “Osama-Obama” nonsense, goes way beyond the pale.
Some of Obama’s connections are strange at best, and I think he would/will take this country in the wrong direction, but I actually don’t dislike him. The one great thing about him is that I think it will demonstrate a racial turning point…that we as a country are able to elect a black president. That’s fantastic. Even I as a right-winger see the tremendous value in that.
If he wins on Tuesday, he will be my president and I will certainly give him my thoughts and prayers and will wish him the best.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Rocky, if those people are real Americans, then this country has no hope anymore.
And the thing is, this is pretty much acceptable conservatism. Palin certainly does nothing to discourage it, and McCain only discourages it if the person being a bigot is directly in front of his face.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Sheesh. And people are worried there might be riots if Obama loses?
These people seem more prone to rioting than the Obama supporters I have seen.
(and no, I don’t think there will be riots either way)
November 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Um Cara, I am afraid I don’t have your confidence. These people are seriously caustic.
If Obama wins, I can easily see riots in Texas, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, and sundry other places. I’ve lived all those places and I know from experience the way some of the rural residents view persons of different genetic persuasion…
Hopefully if anything does happen it will be very minor and contained. My biggest worry is an assassination attempt and to a lesser degree the GOP wasting 2-3 months dragging the country through the courts about some non-existent voter fraud.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Well folks,
I have been a pretty consistent supporter of Obama, but the following PUMA makes a pretty compelling case against him. I highly recommend all Obama supporters take a look at this video, you just might change your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaxECcTjCuw&NR=1
I am reconsidering my vote.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Um cara, where did u find that video of Joe Biden’s sister????
November 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm
It would have been funnier if she woulda had the cigarette in her mouth when she was speaking
November 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Oh.
My.
Lord.
Re: Um Cara’s video.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
naw, all those ignorant people are all Foxnews viewers.
What these Mccain supporters yelling, is all talking points coming from Foxnews and rightwing talk radio.
This is what people like hannity and oreilly feed everyday to ignorant people, preaching hate against americans towards other americans, all because obama will raise taxes on the rich people like hannity and oreilly and the rest of the foxnews crew.
incredible.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm
i was a mCcain supporter and was going to vote for him but this changed my mind…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhbH9IYirD0
November 1st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
McCain supporters, watch this first before voting, it changed my mind it might change yours, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhbH9IYirD0
November 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm
The Clintons used Murtha to STEP in it to undermine Obama. They can’t let Obama win.!
So; where are the clintons???? NOT in the front leading the Obama charge!
November 1st, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Which one of these [posters] here is a paid blogger by the Obama campaign ????
I bet,’trees are people too’ is one !!!!!!!!!!
November 1st, 2008 at 6:32 pm
As far as the Howard Stern piece, I don’t find it at all suprising that they found 3 people who don’t know Obama’s policies. They could probably find a lot more, and who knows how many they didn’t put on the air because they answered the questions right. Anyone ever see Jay Leno’s Jaywalking? There are people out there who don’t even know who the current President is, so its even more likely that there are people out there who don’t know who Obama or McCain is.
November 1st, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Response on youtube re Um Cara’s video
dropout420 (49 minutes ago)
next thing you know leather face is gonna pop out
November 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm
One guy had a monkey doll? Please say it ain’t so—thats almost as bad as hanging a doll that looks like Palin with a noose outside a home in Ca.Hypocrties.
Ever wonder how Obama gets 30,000 people to turn out at 2pm on a work day? Think about it—sad but true.
If I was lazy and didn’t want to work ,just sit back and let the government take care of me—Obama would get my vote too.Go listen to Obama’s own words from Saddleback–”When the Clinton Welfare Reform passed I fought to keep single mothers on the rolls in Ill.”
Under Clintons Welfare reform any single mother in need that was WORKING or GOING TO SCHOOL stayed on the rolls.
Yet Obama fought to keep the lazy/sorry/ones on the rolls,same as he will do if he becomes President.
I don’t make 250K or 200K or 150K or whatever number it was the Obama people ever settled on.But my retirement is invested in companies that make that much money.Does Obama really think that they will take on extra tax burden and not pass it along to consumers or people invested in their company?Either he does think that(meaning he’s stupid)Or he knows that will happen(meaning he doesn’t care)
November 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Hypocrites? Really? Who exactly on this blog supported the effigy of Palin? Who are you calling a hypocrite?
That statement is apropos of nothing. Both candidates have big rallies during the day, this close to the election, in battleground states. What is your point?
That’s a pretty small percentage of the population, a high percentage of whom do not vote. If that were Obama’s base, he would not have gotten as far as he has, Bryan.
Obviously taxes are passed on to the folks who purchase the products, but how, pray tell, would a corporation pass it’s tax burden along to stockholders?
The number has been static for some time. Right wing talk show hosts and FOX News have tried to make it look like he has been changing the numbers, but he has not. For couples below 200K you get a cut, 200-250K it doesn’t go up, the portion of your income over 250K returns to Clinton levels.
Sometimes it is stated as ‘below 250 your taxes don’t go up’, sometimes it is stated ‘below 200, you get a cut’, and Biden gave an example of someone making 150 getting a cut.
November 1st, 2008 at 8:32 pm
No, no, no, it’s a falling ceiling, the tax “cut” threshold. Why? Because they’re (Obama/Biden) not talking about “cuts” but rather the income level that one starts paying considerably more, and this IS significant. It’s equivalent to all of us being in a lifeboat at sea and the boat keeps getting “progressively” smaller. That’s why the zero sum mantra is worth hearing, a tax cut for someone not paying isn’t a cut at all, it amounts to receiving a welfare check. Money that’s simply given to someone……..
November 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Bryan- Did you seriously elude to the opinion that all Obama supporters are lazy welfare cheats? Please tell me you mis-”spoke”. Where does one even begin with that statement?
I won’t defend myself or any other Obama supporter by dignifying your comment with a respose, in the vein of “I work hard for a living” type response, but I will say, comments like those smell of desperation. You all hear the clock tickin? Times up. You all messed it up, now we will try and clean it up, alot of work, but fortunatly, someone that can actually articulate a sentence will be running the show. Funny how we require at least that much in our leaders. Your dim-witted, Repuppetlican, silver spooned, oil blood leader has long been exposed, and now the shows over.
Thanks for playing. It’s been real.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
This handing out of money is “the bottom up” strategy as opposed to the “top down” approach. The main problem of bottom up? Too little, to too many with no organized way of being made useful. As much as I hate to say it, business is the engine of economy. If you want to accelerate the economy you put gas in the tank, i.e. corporate tax breaks, not tires on the car, i.e. tax rebate checks. The rebate checks are a populist approach and Obama has marketed them very effectively. But honestly ask yourself, what’s in the best interest of the country?
November 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm
These Nazis are terrifying – and McCain’s complete lack of courage and character have allowed them to take over his campaign. Just another reason why McCain is completely unfit to lead this great nation. Thank god it seems conservatism has run its course and will join naziism, fascism and communism in the dustbin of history.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm
I think a lot of you Obama supporters are going to be pretty disappointed when “Charlies chocolate factory, (Obama’s promises) is found to be full of “rats”, (thieving politicians). We’ll all just have to wait and see
November 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm
No more scary than the Nation of Islam or the Black Panther Party
November 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm
I’ll deal with that in a moment, but it’s important to add another quote of your’s first
I would think you would be in favor of corporate taxes. It is a way to tax everyone, they pass those taxes on to the consumer.
The people you are complaining about who ‘don’t pay taxes’ in fact pay plenty of taxes, one example: it’s built in to the price of the products they purchase from those corporations.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Those “Nazis” are your co-workers and fellow Americans who shop at the Wal mart in your town. It’s this class warfare and divisionism being slickly marketed by the “hope candidate” that should be really concerning
November 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Yes, you are a clever one um cara, no I was referring to the “targeted taxation” of Obama and its divisive character
November 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm
I’m interested in solving problems not creating them, and I have a good deal of respect for you um cara, so I would be very interested to hear your views as to the best way to extricate ourselves from this current economic mess. Specifically how do we move forward. I’m not an economics expert, although I did stay at a Holiday inn last night. Please help educate me, and this last wish is sincere, I’m not being snarky
November 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm
I’m not trying to be clever, I’m serious. Obama’s tax credits offset the various taxes that these folks pay.
It is disingenuous to say they are welfare checks, they are returning tax money to citizens with little disposable income. Those folks with little disposable income are very likely to turn around and spend those checks on consumer goods. How is that bad for the economy?
People buying stuff is good, right? It’s reasonable for a greater share of the tax burden to be born by those with greater disposable income, right? What is it that you, Trees, do not like about Obama’s plan.
If you have not read his plan yet, I would ask you to read it prior to responding, it is on his web site.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm
No one knows, Trees. That’s the truth.
The only way we are going to get through this is to feel some pain first. The recession was held off for a long time by Bush’s Fed. policy of weakening the dollar & flooding the market with dollars.
There are things I will go into with you about what I don’t like in Obama’s plan, and why. But I do ask that you read it first, if you have not.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Ok, sounds fair to me. I looked under “Obama tax pan” and didn’t see anything directly from his campaign, lots of news organization reporting. It sounded like you had some specific site in mind. Can you post the address here?
November 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm
never mind i think i found it, thanks
November 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Arite man,
I’ll talk to you tomorrow about it, going to bed now.
‘Nite
November 1st, 2008 at 9:58 pm
ok, good night
November 1st, 2008 at 10:39 pm
“…business is the engine of economy…”
Wrong. The engine of the economy is Joe Schmoe and Jane Q. Public stopping by the 7-11 to pick up milk and bread. It happens 100 million times a week. And if they’ve got the money to spare maybe they get a six-pack of Bud. And that’s where the economy grows.
You can manufacture all the crap you want, but if people don’t have the money they ain’t buying.
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:36 am
Posted By: Bryan
Ever wonder how Obama gets 30,000 people to turn out at 2pm on a work day? Think about it—sad but true.
He gets them the same way McCain used to. That is, before people started seeing him for what he is becoming.
Until McCain started busing in kids to fill the rallies.
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:11 am
CUMA—-As far as “Who am I calling a hypocrite” The whiners here who complain about a some man with a monkey doll,never said he liked the “Hanging Palin”—just never heard him mention it.
I do not get my numbers from FOX.I repeated what I read that Obama/Biden/Richardson said–but liberals call that negative remarks.
I own “private” stock in my company—we are the 1st to take a hit—before the public stock does.
Blue Collar—-I guess I should thank you for having a job now?Biden says Obama is clean ,you say he can put sentences together well—and to think I was looking for a President with a backbone–don’t know what I thinking there—cleanliness and and being able to read a teleprompter seem to over ride courage under fire in the liberal world(but we already knew that didn’t we?)
What–no comments on Obama and what he said at Saddleback?You know what he said and you know whats coming if he wins.
Obama—–$664Mil——50.4%
McCain—-$86Mil——-43.6%
$578Mil for a 6.8% lead in a poll ?
And this man can fix the economy?
November 2nd, 2008 at 4:22 am
Um Cara- Say it ain’t so! I thought you had more brains than that! Don’t allow some ill-informed voters to change your mind. What can I do to get back your vote?
Trees- You sound suspiciously like The Conservative, could it be? Haven’t heard from him/her since asking me to present my views and give an “education” on Sen. Obama. Could it be I said something that may have changed his views or maybe he just couldn’t disagree with me.
This video is very alarming. It almost makes me ashamed to say I am part of this HUMAN race. The hatred and vehemence spewing from this crowd is just too much to fathom. I thought this was the 21st century. Maybe I’m wrong, but you’d think in this day and age, even if you don’t agree with Sen. Obamas’ policies, you could at least educate yourself on matters of his ethnicity and religion. What’s going to happen on Tues. when Sen. Obama becomes President Obama?
I have posted this video http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/31/mccain-palin.supporter-st_n_139711.html. It was posted on another blog by Furyus, but I wanted to post it here too. It’s definately an example of how Sen. Obamas’ supporters can confront an objectional opinion and still remain civil. The only hateful words was by a woman who told him to shut up.
When are we going to learn not everybody has the same views, not everybody is going to agree on all issues, not everybody is going to be agreeable with the resolutions. What we should be able to do is disagree in a more civil manner. There’s no need for racial epithets or any sort of name-calling. That’s the mature way to be. We need to realize we’re all in this together. This is America, it is a melting pot, many different religions, ethnicities, values, traditions and ideals. What is best for this country is trying to find the happy medium, finding someone who is capable of bringing that about. Sen. Obama has been instrumental in bringing about that change, the idea that we can come together, Sen. McCain has brought about hate and division. The rallies alone show the eminent difference. We, as a people, need to lay down the foundation to alter our existence and accept each and every one of us for who we are, and what we’re worth as individuals. To work together and bring to the table what each of us as individuals value and share in the responsibility to come together as a nation and treat each and every one with dignity and opportunities to grow and be a valued member of this society. Only then can we grow and prosper. Maybe this is quite naive but I can dream, Martin Luther King had a dream that has become a reality, a step forward for all mankind.
November 2nd, 2008 at 6:50 am
Economically, it is illogical to advocate raising corporate taxes when you acknowledge those corporations will simply pass the tax increases on to consumers. A policy of sending out “rebate checks” to compensate for the tax increases amounts to the government taking people’s money with its left hand then giving it back with its other left hand. Of course in the process, the government will enviably skim a substantial portion off the top for itself.
If the true objective is to reduce the tax burden on the middle class, it makes much more sense to cut out the middleman and not collect those corporate taxes in the first place. Everyone, regardless of income bracket, would benefit. But, middle class tax relieve is not the purpose of Obamam’s tax strategy. He demands control over redistribution of those tax dollars so he can target exactly who receives the tax rebate. His larger goal of reengineering American society depends on it. Although everyone pays these hidden taxes, only those that support and participate in specific social reform programs and/or meet specific social “qualifications” will receive any benefit.
Make no mistake about it – any increase in business taxes is a tax increase on YOU. Are Barack, Pelosi and Reid better qualified to spend your money than you are?
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:42 am
Jone Again:
If the entire universe of folks purchasing these products had 100% of this portion of their tax burden returned to them, of course you would be correct. However, the higher up on the economic chain you are, the more stuff you buy, so the less percentage of that tax would be offset.
But more importantly, let’s not forget that these products are not only sold in the U.S. So, a corporate tax spreads the U.S. tax burden out to the rest of the world. We provide the military for a good portion of the world, what’s wrong with them paying a bit of our tax burden? I know, I know, better to shrink the military, and I agree, however there is still another argument in favor of the corporate tax.
These corporations are benefiting from being in the U.S., if they weren’t, they would certainly run to a country without a corporate tax and set up shop. So if we give them a benefit, without a cost associated with it, who pays that benefit? You guessed it! The American tax payer! I say let the cost of that benefit be included in the cost of their product, otherwise the US taxpayer would be subsidizing the Coke that some Frenchman is drinking, and we don’t want that, do we Jone?
Umm, yea, the government needs money on which to operate, it isn’t ’skimming’, it is actually a quite transparent process in the United States.
And YOU make no mistake, Jone – I ain’t ponying up to pay fer no Frenchy’s Coke!
Yea they are probably more qualified than me to figure out how to pay for tanks, the electricity bill at the Whitehouse, the maintenance cost of the building the Supreme Court is in, etc… I really don’t need the paperwork!
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
November 2nd, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Jones,
I nowhere specifically spoke about the sale of military arms. The only product I gave as an example was a ‘coke’.
When I mentioned the US providing ‘military’ for the others, I was referring to the fact that our military costs are equal to the next 20 nations, combined. I.e. we are protecting large parts of Europe, Japan, etc… Therefore I don’t mind them paying the US some tax when they purchase US products.
My primary point, was that US corporations sell products abroad, are taxed on that profit, thus pass those taxes down to the consumers. So when a Frenchman buys a coke, since the Coca Cola company is taxed, and passes that tax on to the consumer, that Frenchman is paying taxes to the US.
Among other things, yes, those are some reasons corporations chose to be based in the US. Let’s just call it ‘infrastructure’. The infrastructure has a cost to it, it is reasonable for those corporations to pay their part of that cost. Otherwise they are benefiting from it, without paying for it. In other words, tax payers in general would be subsidizing the cost of their product, as opposed to consumers of their product.
We don’t give Coke free machinery for their factories, why should they get ‘free’ US infrastructure?
Certainly, at some point the tax would be too high to pay for the value of the infrastructure. I have seen no coherent argument from anyone as to why Obama’s numbers are the magic numbers to make companies flee. As you are well aware, there are countries without a corporate tax, why hasn’t everyone already left the US?
I don’t work for a US based company, I don’t work or live in the US, and my sales area is not US based, so whether Obama’s plan is implemented or not will not affect whether Frenchy gets my job. My company is based in a country with significantly higher corporate taxes than the US, is huge and a market leader, and has no plans to relocate to a tax haven country.
I still don’t understand why you want to subsidize Frenchy’s bottle of Coke though, you never addressed that.
His plan has remained unchanged for months, and is on his website in good detail. It is quite transparent.
November 2nd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
I can’t believe these are grown adults shouting these hateful words at these rallys. I would hate to see what their kids are like. It just makes me ashamed that other civilized countries are seeing how our elections are run. This is democracy???
November 2nd, 2008 at 6:26 pm
All the whining “conservatives” whining about corporate welfare. I’m so sick of it.
Do you know what “trickle up” is? It’s called CAPITALISM.
Someone makes a better widget, markets it, and we all buy it because it’s a great widget. The widget-maker makes money, and makes sure to pay the employees so they can afford widgets, too. He pays taxes so the employees’ kids (including his own) can get a top-rate education and eventually make better widgets in the future.
Now, the widget-maker wants gov’t money, will still move overseas to make a crappier widget cheaper, run off with a big fat paycheck, and then whine for more gov’t money when all of the unemployed either can’t afford/don’t want the crappy widget whose design hasn’t changed in 40 years.
I just rented “Who Killed the Electric Car,” so I’m still a bit dazed by the fact we could all be independent of oil, period.
Just as Ford killed the trolley (or wait, I think it was the oil companies. Maybe Ford killed muni bus systems), GM & Exxon killed the electric car.
And idiot Republicans want to reward backward thinking like this.
November 2nd, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Sarah,
I’m pretty sure the next step they’ll want after free infrastructure will be fee raw materials, then maybe free labor.
November 3rd, 2008 at 7:11 am
Free materials like logging in our national parks? Or free labor in the form of our prisoners?
Wow, and Democrats are supposed to be the commies.
November 3rd, 2008 at 1:44 pm