Focus On Family: We Can Overcome Obama Like Churchill Overcame Hitler
h/t Think Progress
A fundraising letter to stir the passions of its supporters has James Dobson’s focus on family comparing the election of Barack Obama to the rise of Hitler.
You may recall that in the most desperate days of World War II – when Great Britain was being pounded daily by Hitler’s Luftwaffe – that Winston Churchill called on his countrymen not to despair from danger but to rise to the challenge.
The urgent request for money is to ward against “tragic outcomes” of an Obama administration, which they hope to do “with God’s help” to “stem the tide of liberalism.
Our nation has never faced the kind of anti-family, pro-abortion assault that we’re likely to see in the coming weeks and months. We don’t have to guess what the Left will do now that they control Congress and the White House…
In keeping with the Hitler theme, John Derbyshire at National Review decided to compare President-elect Obama’s proposed expansion of Americorps to Nazi concentration camps and gulags.
It’s time to tax churches in America, and make them pay back taxes for the past 10 years. With penalities.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
We shall see. Many of Obama’s ideas and terms were never explained. So, what he means by them, we will have to wait and see. His past experience is not much to give much hope.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
D:
Your comments sound just like the Nazis…scarey.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Dobson isn’t a church, it’s a hate-mongoring cult.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Budda,
you’re right. Dobson isn’t a church. He is an American, with freedom of speech and religion. So don’t try to take his rights away. Someone may try to take yours away.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
I think Alan’s radio-show rule applies here:
You bring up a poorly thought out Hitler analogy, you lose the arguement…
November 7th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
I’ll say it again: the Republicans keep mistaking the fringe for their base. Unless of course the party of Lincoln is now the refuge of raving lunatics.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
I went and read the letter Alan is talking about. As usual, Alan takes it out of context. He obviously doesn’t understand the meaning of it.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
I’am sure Lincoln would be rolling over in his grave if he could see what his party has become!! ” The refuge of raving lunatics ” indeed! Lincoln freed the slaves; however, the radical, right, conservative base attempts to enslave people with their narrow thought process.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I feel sorry for these guys, either they are so consumed with hate or the need to control others, or it’s just the fund raising.
They are really the perfect examples that Ghandi spoke of when he said:
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Mohandas Gandhi
November 7th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
As a chrisitan myself, I am discouraged to hear this from Dr. Dobson and Focus on the Family. The Bush administration was suppose to focus on morals in America. However, that did not come true. I believe God wants Obama to lead our nation at this time. I will be praying and supporting Obama as I have been. So as a christian Alan, I in no way support or endorse this message from Focus on the Family. Dr. Dobson is critical about anyone who is not tuned into his direct message. No wonder why so many people are turned of at christianity. I fully support Barack Obama and Joe Biden!
November 7th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
They say that the young evangelicals, and other Christians have moved beyond this nonsense.
I think these people are becoming more and more irrelevant, along with what I call, the white nationalist party.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
American,
Oh you mean like the rights that gays don’t have to get married — you mean those types of rights?
Hypocrite!
November 7th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
OldLefty ~
I don’t know about that, I hope you’re right though. Although I know plenty of good-hearted, well intended Evangelicals ~ I also know plenty of crazy, crazy ones too.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Pardon me, but why do I get this feeling that the great community organizer turned President-elect of the USA is going to call for a military draft soon?
I, myself, served 1700 hours in the AmeriCorps program in the late 90’s. I got up to $6,000 for an education award. On Obama’s website he calls for only 100 hours and $4,000. I don’t know why the difference, but…
Obama has accomplished something that many anxious and distressed parents in this society have not been able to do. He has found their children. By his great organized voter registration efforts, he has gathered information on the whereabouts of all these people, young and old. If they have all voted then they are all accounted for. A clever plan involving unsuspecting young people for the draft, especially if he is calling only boys. Will it be just boys, or girls? If girls are included, then his girls will be able to sign up when they are ready.
It seems Howard Dean was warning young people and their parents before they voted in 2004 about Bush supporting the draft.
http://www dot commondreams.org/views04/0921-10.htm
Maybe that’s why the young people didn’t show up at the polls in 2004. But they didn’t hesitate this time because they didn’t see Bush as a threat. Instead they saw the great One. Now The One has all their digits.
On his web site Obama stated that the problem of national service was that Bush didn’t take the opportunity after 9/11 to mobilize people…
www dot change.gov/agenda/service/
Obama seems to be bent towards getting bin Laden and Al Quada. He has come out of the stall running to accomplish all his Agenda, “Mandate”
I have had this feeling for a while. I have brought it up with a few other people and they have felt the same way. I have a grandson who is two years old, a granddaughter who is 4. If Obama does reinstate the draft, I hope it is done away with by the time they reach 17.
If this is really coming down the pike this time, then please don’t let this honeymoon be over.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
FAIR AND BALANCED: I am so glad you brought this up. I, too, have had this fear for a while. Obama’s retoric for a national military here at home sounds very much like a draft. He never said the word “draft” knowing it would not get him elected. I wish him the best for our country’s sake, but I don’t trust him.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Alan, I like your show its always very interesting. I have a question for you, when you talk about Sara Palin’s $150,000 on clothes, what would you say about the 2 million dollars that Obama spent on his celebration party? And another thing, I live in Fort Collins and Obama visited for a rally and after that he expected us to pay him $75,000 just for being here. What would you say to that?
November 7th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
American, go here and read more:
www dot abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=2746094&page=1
There are two pages. This article was written in 2006 but pay attention to the second paragraph.
It is also interesting that Rangel, Murtha, and Pelosi are written in this article. They seem to be in the news a lot lately. It seems that on the second page, at the third paragraph, Pelosi wants to “share the sacrifice”.
November 8th, 2008 at 12:07 am
The article I stated above also mentions needing the funds to carry out a military draft test. I have not read the bail out plan but I wonder if any money will go for the test. Another clever way of staying under the radar.
Come to think of it, why does a company that makes children wooden arrows need to be bailed out? My oh my, I am getting very paranoia in my old age. But please say it aint so, Joe!
November 8th, 2008 at 12:18 am
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Alan, I like your show its always very interesting. I have a question for you, when you talk about Sara Palin’s $150,000 on clothes, what would you say about the 2 million dollars that Obama spent on his celebration party? And another thing, I live in Fort Collins and Obama visited for a rally and after that he expected us to pay him $75,000 just for being here. What would you say to that?
Posted by Jeff
November 7th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Guess how many suits PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS? Jeff just admit you hate brothers (blacks).How much was McPain rally, you racist.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:52 am
I thought this election would be somewhat of a wake-up call for the Republicans but I guess they still just don’t get it.
November 8th, 2008 at 6:32 am
No Patti, they never get it and most likely never will.
November 8th, 2008 at 8:56 am
American: “Budda, you’re right. Dobson isn’t a church. He is an American, with freedom of speech and religion. So don’t try to take his rights away. Someone may try to take yours away.”
Hey, Alexander Dumbass. You’re not making any sense.
No one wants to take away any free-speech. We just want to be free to exercise our disagreement with his ideas and agenda.
YOU seem to be the one with the free-speech problem, if you’d begrudge us that.
You’re sure you’re “American?” By trying to paste the “anti-American” label on its detractors, the Republican Party has started me suspecting its own members’ true patriotism.
Especially when Dobson talks in his radio shows about gearing up for future “battles” against the Obama administration (I listened to his hateful little show the other morning. It was appalling, a complete perversion of Christianity, being used as a tool to satisfy his bottomless hunger for political power.)
November 8th, 2008 at 9:15 am
What makes these Dobson people think that they have any claim God OR America?
Usually when you look at what they say, the truth is most often the opposite.
This wackadoodle may invoke Hitler, but does this sound more like Obama or the James Dobsons?:
“The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God’s will, and actually fulfill God’s will, and not let God’s word be desecrated. For God’s will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord’s creation, the divine will.”
( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 562. )
“Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the ‘remaking’ of the Reich as they call it.”
( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 375. )
“It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god.”
( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 436. )
“Imbued with the desire to secure for the German people the great religious, moral, and cultural values rooted in the two Christian Confessions, we have abolished the political organizations but strengthened the religious institutions.”
( Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Reichstag, Berlin, January 30, 1934. )
“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lords work.”
( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Reichstag, Berlin, 1936. )
Just saying.
November 8th, 2008 at 9:29 am
To be fair to Mr. Dodson, he does not talk about all things in a secular way. His messages are in relation to spiritual matters. If you do not know Christianity, and the spiritual battles it fight, then you would not understand his viewpoints.
People need to stop being haters and learn that viewing life has many perspectives.
November 8th, 2008 at 9:38 am
To FAIR AND BALANCED:
I have read several of your posts. You are very wise and “fair and balanced”. Having listened to Dr. Dobson over the years, I know he does not view the world as men does, but as God does. That is hard for those who do not know God to understand what he is saying; it is not with hatred for the man, but for the spiritual things that are against God.
TO SARAH:
I’m not sure who are what you are talking about; no one is trying to take away your freedom of speech. As long as we are citizens, we are all Americans. You have the right to disagree with anyone, just as I do with you. What I was trying to say is that Dr. Dobson has the right to believe and voice his concerns. It just seems that those who disagree with him, want him to be punished for his beliefs in order to shut him up. That is not what the constitution says.
November 8th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Does that mean you will stop getting your world view from hannity and coulter and oreilly and rush?
November 8th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
To AMERICAN,
thanks!
And I do apologize for the title. He is Dr. Dodson.
November 8th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Lets see..no one is trying to revoke Dobson’s freedom of speech. He and his faithful are a minority of our total population and as such the condescending tone of their messages needs to be put in perspective, i.e. it is irrelevant to most of us.
November 8th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Old Lefty:
Thanks for the Ghandi quote. I had never heard it before. Beautiful!
November 8th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Dr. Dobson has done a lot of good for this country. No one is perfect.
To all who trash christianity, those who profess a belief in Jesus as our Lord and Savior, I pray for you.
I would rather be in my position with a faith in God and the faith that there is a place in Heaven for me than in the position of those who laugh and ridicule at professed christians who believe in Jesus.
What are the consequences if I am wrong? None. But, what are the consequences if the non believers are wrong? An eternity of suffering. The bible is the only book I need to believe in.
November 8th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
American:
I don’t think you were paying attention in Social Studies. Freedom of Speech doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want without accountability or consequences. IT MEANS YOU CAN EXPRESS YOURSELF WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO JAIL.
November 8th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Willy:
How do you know there are no consequences if you are wrong?
November 8th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
So now it’s terrible to compare someone to Hitler?
Wow! The Lightbringer really has started to change the world.
I think Alan and his kind are just pouting because they won’t have the Absolute Authority on this anymore.
You rabid freaks have had your time on the sidelines
and now you’re all about to find out how different it is to lead instead of armchair QB.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Willy, Lets see just how “Christian” You really are. Answer me this. Do you support the bushies? If you do you support the killing of women and children in Iraq that did nothing but be in the place the neocons wanted to control for the resources. Do you accept that you are a cheerrleader for that policy?
November 8th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
I think Jayson and HIS kind are irrelevant
November 8th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Mark,
What is the purpose of life? Without God I don’t see one so when you die that is it, nothing.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Jeffro,
Bushies????
November 8th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
My kind are relevant to me. That’s what matters most.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Great question, Willy. Stop pretending you know the answer and have it all figured out. Then again, I think you admitted you don’t have the answers. You suggest your religious beliefs are guided by your fear of what may happen to you after you die… not what is right… not what is fair… not what brings peace and love to anyone else but yourself… just fear.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Jayson:
If what matters to you most is your kind, what are you doing on a liberal blog?
November 8th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
I don’t care for Bush anymore than the rest of the people here.
My comment goes to the idea that most of the policies of Big Gov aren’t going to be all that different in this Admin than that of the last.
But because the Exec is a D and not an R, any policy that takes away freedom and liberty, will be defended like rabid animals, just like the war was with Neo Cons.
I hope Obama and his supporters will take better care of our civil liberties than Bush, but somehow I just can’t muster the belief.
The calls for taxation, censorship and other sorts of jackbooted responses on this issue from so called Liberals only proves my point.
There are articles saying that Obama and Emmanuel (sic?) are calling for required civil service from young people. Again this is clearly a direct assault on individual liberty, but there will be plenty of excuses from liberals as to why it should happen.
If my kind are irrelevant, which I doubt, this country truly is gone.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Jeffro, I am assuming you are referring to President Bush. Let’s have some respect here. I think we are all adults here.
No one supports the killing of women and children, not even President Bush. You can’t really believe that our President supports what you accused him of supporting.
If you want to go that route, then President Bush’s decision to go into Iraq was to stop the wanton killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children by the thug who ran the country with and iron fist, Saddam Huesein. If you abhor the killing of women and children than you would applaud the good thing that our President did. Do you remember seeing the video of dead children and women lying in the streets after Saddam ordered the use of chemical warfare on his own citizens? Please don’t tell me you are a “cheerleader” for such actions.
In the history of the world, going all the way back to biblical times, sometimes war is necessary. An unfortunant part of war is that a lot of times the innocent are victims. Using your reasoning, do you think that we did a good thing disposing of Hitler, Togo, Musselini, Molosevich, etc?
November 8th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Mark,
I thought it was a big tent!
November 8th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Jayson:
Not sure what the big tent is. Maybe you thought it was a revival. In any case, I think it’s great having you on here. I’m just not going to let you try to pretend that you don’t care what liberals think.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Hey Jayson, it is a big tent. The problem is the guys who think they are the guardians of free thought, trying to block access to the entrance of the tent. If you don’t believe exactly as they do then you have no business here. Can’t you just feel the love? Jeffro appears to be an especially civil “truth guardian”.
Jeffro, when did you stop beating your wife?
November 8th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Mark,
My beliefs are not guided by fear, but by the faith of a better life after death. What is right, what is fair, and what brings happiness to everyone is the love of Jesus, the love of God. Jesus preached love all through his ministry. Love of all mankind.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
You know that Sadam, he was a real humanitarian, what a crime it was when we deprived the Iraqi people of they’re president. As Americans we should all be deeply ashamed.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Willy,
Then why did you write “What are the consequences if I am wrong? None. But, what are the consequences to the nonbelievers if they are wrong? An eternity of suffering.”?
That doesn’t sound like a decision based on love… sounds to me like you’re trying to cover your a**. Good luck with that.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
I remember that time when Sadam went to Kuwait to bring humanitarian relief to the poor Kuwaiti’s, yep, he was a special, loving, caring, concerned President. His own people loved him so much that every time they had an election he won with over 90% of the vote. I know the world is a lot less safe without uncle Sadam protecting us.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Yep, we should just worry about what happens here, if the rest of the world wants to kill each other then let em, huh jeffro!
November 8th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Mark,
We are given the freedom to make our own choices. These freedoms are given to us by God.
Our choices in life have consequences. You rob a bank, you go to jail. You murder someone, you go to jail or worse.
Jesus said you chose me you chose life eternal. If you reject Christ, then you chose death (an eternity in Hell, a real place). The choice is yours and anyone else who hears the word. It is all based on faith.
God is Love.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Tree Person:
Where do you read anyone trying to chase away the conservative nuts? I’m on here a lot and I never see that. I think the conservative nuts are the best advertisement to confirm liberal views.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Yes, I know Willy. Jesus loves me and all mankind but will make me suffer for all of eternity. Got it. Now I’m saved. Thanks.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Ok, show of hands. How many of you complained about the price of fuel recently. Come on, nice and high so we can see em. That’s right, you see we live in the real world, and as such we have real concerns, oil being one of them. I think that the smart people in Washington refer to these as American interests. Hmmmm……..
But I agree with you jeffro, we should all just sit around and drink beer and quit worrying about the dumb stuff………after all Obama said we can hope for change with him. Boy, I feel so much better…………
November 8th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Mark,
How can someone that says they aren’t going to LET me pretend I don’t care about something be liberal and a positive example for them?
November 8th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Does anybody think that if April Glaspie had NOT said: “We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts”, AND if he had not started trading in euros, that those who made so much money arming him, would not call him an ally today?
November 8th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Trees are people too, you are on a roll. Great job!!!
November 8th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Mark, I must wipe the dust off my sandals now and move on. Have a great weekend.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Check out http://www.change.gov
This is “The One’s” grand plan for the U.S. of A.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
You see Willy, they don’t think they’re doing anything wrong. Or they think that because others do wrong then they’re ok. They seek to justify they’re wrong behavior by pointing out examples of other wrong behavior. And because God isn’t a cosmic tyrant he allows this, and says that all will give an account. Each of us has an appointment with Him, some of us choose not to acknowledge that, and so remain ignorant to things other than, “what am I going to eat today”, in fact they adopt the view of naturalism. This is all there is, and they adopt a worldview that reduces humanity to nothing more that livestock, and they bank on the fact that they’ll be able to say I never knew you, why didn’t you talk to me. You never really loved me. They take for granted this world and all the good things in it because they were simply born, and act like selfish children if something happens that’s not to their liking. Let me apologize to any one whose feelings I just hurt. Would it be better to let you walk off the cliff instead of risking offending you by saying, “hey you’re about to walk off a cliff?
November 8th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
And so God wrote a book, it’s a really old book and it talks about thing like “the beginning of time”. It tells us who we are, why we are, and what’s wrong with us, and who He is, that He is, that He loves us, and that he would provide a solution for that which ails us. He said he would provide Prophets to speak for Him, and that they would speak without error should anyone choose to read and see for themselves. But alas, the people, for the most part didn’t like God and they especially didn’t like what He said in His book. And so they ridiculed Him, and those who bothered reading it and talking about it.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
And for anyone who thinks that science has disproved God, look here, http://www.expelledthemovie.com/aboutthemovie.php , menu on left hand side has videos you can watch
November 8th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Trees,
Science can never prove nor disprove God.
Any scientist would tell you that.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
I read the letter by this hateful Dobson.
What a creep.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Hey, Hi um! How are you?
November 8th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
I haven’t read it yet, let me have a look
November 8th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Howdy Trees,
Pretty good, getting my stuff together for my trip.
Hope all is well with you. Saw you and Mr. Frosty getting into the evolution thing the other night, was cool to see a couple people disagreeing strongly but getting along.
Hopefully that will be the model for our country with all the division right now!
November 8th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
yeah, it was interesting, I was appreciative of the civil tone. I don’t really know a lot about frosty. Anyway where are you headed to? I remember it sounded like a long trip
November 8th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Trees,
What I don’t like about Dobson and his ilk is their weird fascination with homosexuality. I don’t accept that it is a sin (and let’s not get into bible verses today, if you don’t mind) – even if it is, it is hardly mentioned in the new testament at all, and it isn’t one of the big 10.
Why don’t they focus on denying rights to people who tell lies, or covet their neighbor’s property, or commit adultery, or use the lord’s name in vain, or don’t go to church on the sabbath, or have a crush on their neighbor’s wife, etc…
Nah, they want to pick on people who happen to be attracted to others of the same sex. Pretty odd thing to focus on when it isn’t even in the top ten.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Headed to few cities in Europe. Let’s see if anyone pecks me on the cheek 8^)
November 8th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I can understand your perspective. It’s fear drivin’, opposition to the homosexual thing. They are afraid of the consequences to society if abnormal relations are legitimized. They fear a weakening of the structures that provide stability to society. I’ll admit I don’t understand what happens to cause a person to prefer the same sex, it baffles me, actually. But I don’t feel personally threatened by it. In fact, when I used to work in NYC I would use it to my advantage. How so? There was a deli with a homosexual guy working there that had a crush on me, and I would go there for lunch because he would give me extra large portions of food. (boy, that’s gonna bring the bloggers out of the woodwork, lol) . I know what it feels like to be a pretty girl and be showered with gifts, (much lol). Anyway my wife’s mom has a friend who’s gay and I related the above story at a thanksgiving dinner one year, everyone at the table laughed (really hard laughter, you know stuff coming out of your nose laughter), except her dad.(he’s retired Air Force). I really like her dad, our political views are very similar. But uh, no, he WASN”T AMUSED by my story. I think it’s the weirdness of homosexuality, and I don’t mean to offend anyone, but I personally think it’s weird. And I viewed some militant pro gay websites, and I’m a little concerned about their anti-Christian agenda. They’ve decided the church is an enemy, and they are going to come after it. So things will probably get ugly. But dialog is good and necessary I think…
November 8th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
oh, just so you know, the NYC days we’re B.C. for me, back when I was always up to no good. Jus fyi
November 8th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Agree with you there! And yea, the militants on both sides are not helpful. I certainly don’t think anyone’s church should be made to marry gay couples. But my gay friend’s church married them, and I think it reasonable that they have the governmental goodies (and responsibilities) that go along with it.
Anyway, I think it fairly funny and harmless that you got the extra sized sandwich 8^)
I’m sure gay folks are equally baffled as to how you and I could be attracted to women, that’s why it isn’t a ‘choice’. I couldn’t choose to be attracted to men, there is no reason to believe my gay male friends could be attracted to women. (and bi-sexuals are a whole nother kettle of fish)
Anyway, Dobson can say and do what he wants, in my opinion he could do more good by focusing on other stuff, but it’s a free country!
November 8th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
i agree.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
wow, i got spamorated for the first time.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Oh no! That means you have a rough patch ahead of you. When you get spamorated email webmaster@alan.com. Eventually after you have had enough messaged eaten and then approved it will quit picking on you.
But for the next month or so you will prob. have a bunch of messages held up.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Hey trees, thanks for the back-up there a couple hours ago. I had to take off for a while. Don’t know how long I’ll be here this time. Have some family members over.
Your comments made sense. It is sad the number of people who deny the existence of God.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
dum-de-dumm-dee-do
November 8th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Ok um, thanks for the info.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Fair and Balanced ~
I’m not sure how anybody can compare Obama to Hitler and not have that be hateful!
November 8th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
It’s been said a million times and it has never sounded more true. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be a Christian and a Republican at the same time. They have absolutely nothing in common.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
I believe this issue must be viewed in a spiritual context. Hitler killed Jews. Obama approves of pro-abortion issues.
I can not explain it any further if you do not see the spiritual nature of it.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Let me also add, that if you read the letter correctly Dr. Dotson does not compare the election to Hitler. He only stated a quote that Churchill used during that time.
The article written by smintheus, that the great Alan chose to post here, compares it in that way.
Blame Alan for the hate.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Nah, Alan didn’t make Dobson compare Obama to Hitler, nor did he make Dobson pick on homosexuals.
I’ll give Dobson full credit for Dobson’s ignorance and hate.
November 9th, 2008 at 7:45 am
For clarification Um Cara,
I meant that Alan posted the article here, which is his right, and incited the hate that we are reading here in this section. You may have not even known about the article if you hadn’t seen it here.
Many of that One’s followers talk about “coming together” and “change” and “dadadadada”…..
And just let me repeat myself from the previous post in case you missed it. Dr. Dobson did not compare Obama with Hitler, he only used a quote from Churchill. But I don’t really expect you to understand when you followed Alan off the cliff on the “Welcome Right-Wingers!” section.
Oh well, I must be moving on and dusting off my sandals.
There seems to be no “show me the love” here.
Peace out!
November 9th, 2008 at 9:29 am
“To be fair to Mr. Dodson, he does not talk about all things in a secular way. His messages are in relation to spiritual matters. If you do not know Christianity, and the spiritual battles it fight, then you would not understand his viewpoints.”
It’s DoBson, for one thing. Not DoDson.
And I DO know Christianity, since I am one. I also know the difference between a church-led “Christianity,” and actual, out-of-the-Gospels Christianity. The two barely resemble each other.
The homosexual discussion was interesting, since I just learned this week that King James (you know, the guy who commissioned the English-language version of the Bible?) was bisexual.
Now THAT’s a fascinating fun-fact.
November 9th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Hi Sarah,
I caught you while I was still dusting off my other sandal. Oops! One misspelled word. Thanks for pointing it out to me. You should be Alan’s proofreader before he releases these posts. But then again, that wouldn’t give Alan any amusement.
I find it interesting that you learned the fun-fact of King James this week when he has been known for a very looooong time. Must not be widely known. Funny you would mention it here, though. Make sure you stay in the right led Christianity.
Seriously, Peace Out!
November 9th, 2008 at 10:07 am
FAB,
I read the letter, did not read the article surrounding it. I suppose it is unfair to say he compared Obama to Hitler, it would be more accurate to say he was comparing fighting Obama to fighting Hitler.
A small distinction, to be sure, but certainly more accurate.
My main problem w/ Dobson is his weird fascination with homosexuals, not his hyperbole in invoking Churchill.
Like I said before, it would make more sense for him to lead a fight against people who covet their neighbor’s wives, or folks who do not honor the sabbath, those being in the top 10 – rather than picking on homosexuals, homosexuality arguably not being a sin and all.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:20 am
This group is a group reason why Republicans went off track the last 8 years. If they align themselves with these wingnuts, it will ensure their demise. I, frankly, don’t care any more for what Dobson says any more than I care what the local skin head group has to say. They share many a same tactic…..oh, and how ethical is it to use faith to fund your political agenda? Isn’t that a bit hypocritical? Or, is it just your attempt to show the downfall of your organization’s influence on the vast majority of Americans with functioning brains?
November 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Sigh (I’m sorry, but couldn’t not think of another way to start this post). So many interesting but disturbing comments made on this list. First I have to address American who said, “Having listened to Dr. Dobson over the years, I know he does not view the world as men does, but as God does”. I have to ask how you were appointed the person to declare this “fact”? I am suspicious that the Pope, Pastor Hagey, and many others would claim that they are the “one” who has the direct line, but yet you in all your wisdom know it is Dobson… To me, your claim screams out that you are a complete and utter nut.
To all of you who think everyone has to be just like you…I can only ask why? If you don’t want to have an abortion don’t. If you don’t want to have sex with someone of your same sex, don’t. But, there are people who don’t agree with you and they should have that right without YOU judging their decisions. If you truly believe everyone has an appointment with (your) God, those people can answer to her.
Interesting post about taxing churches. I have to agree, if they are going to lobby Washington for support of their agendas then they should be like any other business. What is their goal? Ah, it is basically investors they want, people who will support them financially.
Kuvas
November 9th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Kuvas,
Excellent post.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Now that’s a shallow and narrow minded view. Kuvas, have you ever made a real effort to find out if your statement is true?
Your statement is equivalent to saying that anyone who is a practicing theist is interested solely in material things, and uses religion as a subterfuge to accomplish their ends which is financial enrichment.
Who’s speaking in absolutes now?
Ok gang, I’m off to make some snake oil salesmen “rich”, while I worship the GIVER of life.
Have a good day Kuvas
November 9th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Trees,
Dobson is not a pastor, he doesn’t have a church, he is a fundraiser (and a creep).
I don’t think churches should pay taxes, by the way (I also don’t think they should get involved w/ specific candidates).
November 9th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Trees,the focus of this discussion is raising funds for a religious agenda regarding national policies. As for my research: I can tell you I have never been to a church that didn’t ask for money and I have never seen a television evangelist who didn’t ask for money; it does seem to be a common theme. And unfortunately, the amount of money raised, as well as the elderly who are “sucked in” to giving more than they can afford to maintain the lifestyles of some of these guys is pretty well documented.
I think it would be absolutely patriotic if they decided they too should support our government :)
November 9th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
“Interesting post about taxing churches. I have to agree, if they are going to lobby Washington for support of their agendas then they should be like any other business. What is their goal? Ah, it is basically investors they want, people who will support them financially.” by Kuvas
Sounds like the MO of the upcoming President and his administration, along with the crooks in Congress.
“I think it would be absolutely patriotic if they decided they too should support our government :)”
Everyday, my friend. Meals for the hungry, shelter for the homeless, clothes for the naked, water for the thirsty, a kind word to heal a broken heart. The cost?
PRICELESS!
November 9th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Fair & Balanced, I was trying to think about the last time I attended a church who fed the hungry, had a shelter for the homeless, clothed the naked, or even offered water to the thirsty. Quite frankly never (in this country). In fairness it could be that 99+% of churches are not accessible to the homeless populations in our cities. In addition it is not easy to get a permit (at least in this area) to allow the homeless to even spend one night out of the cold. One big roadblock…no one wants the homeless in their neighborhood. I can remember a few times that the church asked for clothes to send to the poor (in other countries). Of course those clothes weren’t purchased with money raised in the collection plates, they were to be donated by the members. That must work, I have seen the poor in several countries clothed in t-shirts with U.S. sports teams and other English slogans across the front.
A big thing in this area: churches will plan trips to China (and elsewhere) with parishioners paying additional money to go along and hand out bibles.
November 10th, 2008 at 4:37 am
Kuvas, I personally know of churches that provide shelter for the homeless and food, also winter coats, all provided by money that was donated. Churches also don’t charge admission, and plenty of people attend without contributing to the offering plate. Is it really your opinion society would be better served without them, or perhaps your more in favor of taxing any charitable organization that struggles to find the funds to operate and the volunteers to donate their time?
November 10th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Maybe the problem is your only attending larger churches in affluent areas? Once upon a time I was homeless in Connecticut, and guess what? I slept in a church, (those old stone churches get really cold at night) I recieved a winter coat from a church in Connecticut, and I ate in their soup kitchen. How many churches have you actually been in? Or are you just going by what you see on television? And imagine that, people paying out of their own pocket to travel to China and distribute bibles. Is it your opinion that Christians are going to destroy Chinese culture? Why would you even bring that up?
November 10th, 2008 at 6:13 am
And I guess your point was it’s the churches fault that the community doesn’t want to allow the church to provide shelter.
Do you know what I did the day I received that winter coat from that church in Connecticut, Kuvas? We’re going back in time now, it was approx 1984. Anyway, do want to take a guess? I stole the communion wine out of their kitchen. It was a five gallon jug of Gallo. It’s “ok”. You can be judgmental…..
November 10th, 2008 at 7:14 am
“Fair & Balanced, I was trying to think about the last time I attended a church” posted by Kuvas
When was the last time you visited a Church? Was it on a Sunday? Try going on Wednesday or Friday, if those days don’t cut into your television time, or internet usage.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Also, you can see it in action when we are on the front lines of relief in times of disaster. Our work extends far beyond the walls.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Godwin’s Law means nothing anymore, apparently.
November 10th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Jim, thanks for pointing this out. I learned something new today. My messages were about the quote of Churchill’s that Dr. Dobson used to mobilize the people of Christian faith to pray, not kill.
Alan, I would like to see this post retired.
November 10th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Kid Funkadelic,
I am actually not racist. I just wanted to show how much Obama spent and wondering why Alan could say that $150,000 is a big deal when 2 million on a party is nothing to him.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Trees,
A few of your posts in one: you said “Is it really your opinion society would be better served without them, or perhaps your more in favor of taxing any charitable organization that struggles to find the funds to operate and the volunteers to donate their time?”
I never said anything about getting rid of churches or taxing charitable organizations. I very clearly said that if churches are going to lobby Washington with their own agendas that they should be paying taxes.
Then you said, “How many churches have you actually been in? Or are you just going by what you see on television? And imagine that, people paying out of their own pocket to travel to China and distribute bibles. Is it your opinion that Christians are going to destroy Chinese culture? Why would you even bring that up?”
Seriously Trees, why don’t you read and actually comprehend a post before you reply? Your sarcasm does nothing for your argument. I have been in a lot of churches, as I have said before I have lived all over the US. And, I have been in several churches with friends and family which were not of my faith (Catholic & Baptist the most often)
Why would I bring up the trip to China? It is called a “train of thought” that relates to our discussion. In a nutshell: have I ever been to church that feeds the hungry? No. Have I ever been to a church that gives shelter to the homeless? No. Have I ever been to a church that clothes the poor? yes, but not with clothes purchased from the offering plate, it was from donations made by parishioners. Ah, but I do have friends that went to China with their church. Did they go to feed the hungry? No. Did they go to build the poor/homeless homes ? No. They did pay their own way (just an observation, don’t go jumping off that cliff), and distribute bibles paid for by the church out of the collection plate. You are right, I have only been to churches in more affluent areas (you are so good at jumping to conclusions and yet you didn’t get that from the post I wrote where I said “In all fairness, 99%+ of churches are not accessible to the homeless…”)
Then you said, “And I guess your point was it’s the churches fault that the community doesn’t want to allow the church to provide shelter.”
Truly, another jump off that cliff…I said “no one wants a homeless shelter in their neighborhood”. What would someone with an open mind make of that statement? That individuals living in the neighborhood don’t want a shelter next door; I said nothing about the churches being against it.
And finally, you said, ” I stole the communion wine out of their kitchen. It was a five gallon jug of Gallo. It’s “ok”. You can be judgmental…..”
You are talking to the wrong person, I have no interest in judging you and am sincerely glad you are in a better situation now.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Fair & Balanced, In reference to one of my posts, you said:”When was the last time you visited a Church? Was it on a Sunday? Try going on Wednesday or Friday, if those days don’t cut into your television time, or internet usage.”
First, the appropriate way to quote someone when only taking a portion of their sentence is to to follow the last word with an ellipses “…” You quoted my sentence as, “I was trying to think about the last time I attended a church” You left out a very key point when you excluded “… a church who fed the hungry, had a shelter for the homeless, clothed the naked, or even offered water to the thirsty.”
Now, I realize that you did this because it made you feel better, but I am not sure what it did for the discussion. As far as going to church several times a week, the religion I was raised in was founded by a man who believed that if people had access to a bible, that they would be able to educate themselves and that they did not need a go between to talk to God, and so there was only one service a week. If you belong to a church that goes 2x on Sunday and once on Wednesday, and you feel you need to attend all 3, more power to you. I do hope on one of your visits you will spend some time contemplating grace as it is something that I think would do you good.
Your comment about cutting in on my television and internet time was priceless, I laughed out loud as you post a lot more than I do! I am a full-time student and I stop by when I have a chance and post a couple of times a week.
I do think you need a better name to reflect your demeanor, I was thinking maybe Biased and Snarky (gotta love the acronym)
November 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
What???? Please tell me where your statistic comes from.
Or did you just make it up.
Why would you assume I was being sarcastic? You throw out a completely fabricated statistic and then expect me to consider you credible, is that it?
November 12th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Kuvas,
I know how to post a quote, thanks.
“…what it did for the discussion.” Are you happy now?
I found it odd that your next sentence was “Quite frankly never (in this country).”
“If you belong to a church that goes 2x on Sunday and once on Wednesday, and you feel you need to attend all 3, more power to you.”
Churches today have found the needs of society so great that they can no longer look over them. People aren’t just coming in asking for their spiritual needs to be met, they’re expecting their material needs to be met as well. As a result, Churches open their doors on other days of the week.
“…more power to you”
Actually, the people I serve are more empowered when they are fed and clothed.
“I do hope on one of your visits you will spend some time contemplating grace as it is something that I think would do you good.”
What an applicable thought for all the visitors here, including yourself, don’t you think?
“I do think you need a better name to reflect your demeanor, I was thinking maybe Biased and Snarky (gotta love the acronym)”
LOL! Answer my question directly above, please, and follow your own advice.
November 12th, 2008 at 9:29 pm