Conservatives, Talk Radio, John Ziegler, and Nate Silver
Former radio talk show host John Ziegler put out a video, the implication of which is that those who voted for Obama are morons. He was contentious with me from the get-go on a recent TV appearance, surprisingly bringing up race where no race issue was previously implied.
A 2005 intervew in The Atlantic may explain some of Mr. Ziegler’s issues. Ziegler defends himself here. But, most revealing, was an interview he did with with Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com, which ended with Ziegler suggesting that Silver perform a certain act upon himself. In fact, all Silver did was ask good, pointed questions, which somehow riled Ziegler.
Silver’s analysis of this whole thing is worth reading if you’re a fan of talk radio or if you want some good insight into the conservative mindset. He asks, “Did Talk Radio Kill Conservatism?”
Conversely, I wonder if conservatism killed talk radio; or, at least, talk radio as we’ve known it. We’ve already seen what conservatism has done to the country. Surely talk radio doesn’t need to confine itself primarily to only those who agree with the right, especially at a time when even many Republicans are disgusted with what has become of their movement. A new day for America politically may mean a new day for a medium that can be invigorated by a changing climate.
Does he mention that over 25% of people polled in Texas thought Obama was Islamic?
That most who called Obama a communist could not even define what it is
Man are conservatives frustrated!
November 20th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I’m sorry? I didn’t realize that talk radio had died. What was the date of death?
Sounds more like wishful thinking, and perhaps a rallying cry for, “The fairness doctrine”.
Do you truly believe that the vast majority of Obama supporters really received unbiased media coverage?
Whether you choose to admit it or not the media is busy shaping public opinion, rather than providing balanced coverage that allows the viewer to make an informed decision.
Only one television news network actually provided fair, insightful, and balanced coverage. I don’t even have to name it, you already know the name.
Are you surprised that a sampling of the voter pool revealed these false perceptions?
November 20th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Alan, are you a closet Keith Olberman fan? Come on out, and pledge allegiance to NBC.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I keep repeating: ” half the population are below average..”
November 20th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
And the version of that video on YouTube begins with African-style tribal chanting, so it’s pretty obvious that Ziegler is engaged in hate speech.
And when Hannity says what he says on the video clip here on this thread, that’s hate speech too. Because it’s one thing to misstate the truth, and it’s something else to repeat the lie ten thousand times.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Once again to rationalise their lost,the right wingers Sean hannity, el limbo and O’rielly are trying to delegitimize Obama’s presidency.The recent Zogby poll only proves that the garbage of Ayers,rev.wright and Farrakhan did not resonate with ordinary voters.So Hannity you cost Mcain the election because you had no rational message.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Mr. Ziegler
A University of Texas poll to be released shows Republican presidential candidate John McCain and GOP Sen. John Cornyn leading by comfortable margins in Texas, as expected.
But the statewide survey of 550 registered voters has one very surprising finding: A LARGE percent of Texans are convinced that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is a Muslim.
Obama is a Christian who was embroiled in a controversy earlier this year about his two-decade membership in Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ. Yet just 45 percent of those polled identified the Illinois senator as a Protestant.
The Obama-is-a-Muslim confusion is caused by fallacious Internet rumors and radio talk-show gossip. McCain went so far at one of his town hall meetings to grab a microphone from a woman who claimed that Obama was an Arab.
The Texas numbers are UNUSUAL because most national polls show that Just 5 to 10 percent of Americans still believe Obama is a Muslim — less than half the number of Texans who buy into the debunked theories.
The Obama-is-a-Muslim confusion is caused by fallacious Internet rumors and radio talk-show gossip. McCain went so far at one of his town hall meetings to grab a microphone from a woman who claimed that Obama was an Arab.
Now lets add this up most of the country 5-10% think Obama is a Muslim but in one of the MOST CONSERVATIVE states in the land
23% think he is a Muslim mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm What does that say about Conservative voters when the numbers are so different in a state such a RIGHT WING STATE LIKE Texas?
Less then half viewed him as a protestant what did they think Rev Wright was Catholic LOL. Are did they even know about Reverend Wright?
I could go to any right wing town and ask them questions about Obama’s religion or Wright to define socialism or Communism and I guarantee although they love to throw these terms around they would have no clue about these terms or definitions.
In fact it did not matter to most conservatives that Joe the Plumber was actually a better example for the democrats the republicans
He lied about amount of money he made and his ability to buy a company and was on Welfare at least once.
And owed taxes!
Yep a real non-entitlement capitalist for sure :)
That is like Obama using Trump as an example of someone is tax plan would help :)
The idea the media gave Obama this election is sour grapes in its highest form.
When Nixon won in a landslide a polls showed a large majority of The Media voted for Mcgovern .
Same results when Reagan won and when the Republicans took over the house and senate in 94.
No Fox News or internet sites like Newsmax or Drudgereport to rely on. They made there case and won.
They for the most part had no media outlet except for maybe talk radio.
The truth is in 2000 and 2004 conservatives had the edge in cable news. Talk Radio and the internet CNN was a mess never mind MSNBC but liberals have caught up.
MSNBC and CNN have grabbed an audience and liberal views/blogs have caught up on the internet
Swift-boat attacks won’t work anymore because there is a counter media. I admit most of the media is tilted toward Obama but as I have shown you have raised above it before when you made a good case.
Yet all I heard from Hannity types was Ayers Wright Ayers Wright etc etc…….. Of cause the fact McCain said on an anti-semtic board and voted against MLK day and Keating five and G Gordon Liddy a terrorist (CONVICTED) he took money from means nothing
Live with it you lost Present a better case you may win! 2000-2004 media edge is over get over it. The Hannity types will never survive in such a new media environment.
Thank You
Dennis Smith
November 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Mr. Ziegler
The Texas numbers are UNUSUAL because most national polls show that Just 5 to 10 percent of Americans still believe Obama is a Muslim — less than half the number of Texans who buy into the debunked theories.
The Obama-is-a-Muslim confusion is caused by fallacious Internet rumors and radio talk-show gossip. McCain went so far at one of his town hall meetings to grab a microphone from a woman who claimed that Obama was an Arab.
Now lets add this up most of the country 5-10% think Obama is a Muslim but in one of the MOST CONSERVATIVE states in the land
23% think he is a Muslim mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm What does that say about Conservative voters when the numbers are so different in a state such a RIGHT WING STATE LIKE Texas?
Less then half viewed him as a protestant what did they think Rev Wright was Catholic LOL. Are did they even know about Reverend Wright?
I could go to any right wing town and ask them questions about Obama’s religion or Wright to define socialism or Communism and I guarantee although they love to throw these terms around they would have no clue about these terms or definitions.
In fact it did not matter to most conservatives that Joe the Plumber was actually a better example for the democrats the republicans
He lied about amount of money he made and his ability to buy a company and was on Welfare at least once.
And owed taxes!
Yep a real non-entitlement capitalist for sure :)
That is like Obama using Trump as an example of someone is tax plan would help :)
The idea the media gave Obama this election is sour grapes in its highest form.
When Nixon won in a landslide a polls showed a large majority of The Media voted for Mcgovern .
Same results when Reagan won and when the Republicans took over the house and senate in 94.
No Fox News or internet sites like Newsmax or Drudgereport to rely on. They made there case and won.
They for the most part had no media outlet except for maybe talk radio.
The truth is in 2000 and 2004 conservatives had the edge in cable news. Talk Radio and the internet CNN was a mess never mind MSNBC but liberals have caught up.
MSNBC and CNN have grabbed an audience and liberal views/blogs have caught up on the internet
Swift-boat attacks won’t work anymore because there is a counter media. I admit most of the media is tilted toward Obama but as I have shown you have raised above it before when you made a good case.
Yet all I heard from Hannity types was Ayers Wright Ayers Wright etc etc…….. Of cause the fact McCain said on an anti-semtic board and voted against MLK day and Keating five and G Gordon Liddy a terrorist (CONVICTED) he took money from means nothing
Live with it you lost Present a better case you may win! 2000-2004 media edge is over get over it. The Hannity types will never survive in such a new media environment.
Thank You
Dennis Smith
November 20th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
I could only read the transcripts from the interview, but Mr. Zeigler’s reasoning was laughable. The man appears to be a bone-head and this video is equivalent to him throwing a tantrum that his guy lost. Mr. Zeigler, do you think everyone in Texas or the Deep South, (red states,) could answer the same questions? Really? Oh, and I love how he had to mention that a black woman picked out the people being interviewed. What exactly does that prove, Mr. Zeigler?
November 20th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Sean return the cash advance that was given to you!The terrorist card(AYERs),the anti-american card(rev. wright and Farrakhan) did not work this time. Be responsible and admit your failure.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Bravo Dennis, the Hannity types are dead and in exile they will stay.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Arab and Moslem may overlap but are not the same thing.
When the talking heads blame Obama for the current recession, you know they are getting desperate.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
You guys are so far gone it is unreal. Hemkit, you obviously did not read the transcript. Zeigler states “- there are plenty of idiots on both sides of the aisle — but what information they got from the media that they were able to consume.” So you are correct there probably are thousands of people who voted republican who don’t know who Nancy Pelosi is, but I think, and Zeigler offered it up, if you conducted this same interview with Republicans, many would at least know that the Dem’s are the majority in both the House and the Senate. But because America is so anti-republican, and every problem we have is because of republicans, then they have to be the ones in charge? Right? Democrats would never let the economy get this bad, or allow hurricane’s to trash the gulf coast or let fires burn in California.
And rocky the rottweiler, the Obama chant was to reinforce the hysteria that has caught on for Obama. Nothing more, exactly what was hateful about his video? What exactly did he say that lead you to believe he is engaged in hate speech. He is a conservative, but…oh that’s right unless i am liberal, I am a BIGOT!! Man, bummer. I love Jesus, I recycle, eat organic food, I have many black friends and family that don’t believe in jesus. But I am a bigot because I voted yes on 8 and vote republican. Many of you on here are just riding the left wing highway.
How many have got your hands on this awesome shirt??http://www.movietrain.net/images/i-had-an-abortion-2005-documentary-film1.jpg
I am anti-abortion because I believe that every human creation (oops…is that word taboo around here as well??) has a right to live. But you guys wouldn’t know to save a salmon that happened to be passed by your gas powered PETA boat on the way to save the whales, I get it, you only care about the cute ones.
And by the way, Reverend Wright isn’t anti-american, but he sure seems to think it is necessary to emphasize the importance of the black church. Is it more important than the “white” church? I guess there is nothing wrong with white neo-nazi’s who’s “church” proclaims the white doctrine? Correct? Can’t wait for a response.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Yup. CNN.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Trees: “Whether you choose to admit it or not the media is busy shaping public opinion, rather than providing balanced coverage that allows the viewer to make an informed decision.”
Exactly! Which is why the Fairness Doctrine needs to return, to REQUIRE that all sides be presented!
Hey MANUEL– By the way, how many kids have you adopted?
November 20th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Got a lot of opinions there Manuel, but fewer facts.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Thanks Pierre- I emailed Ziegler my posting see his reply below.
I sent him reply wich I will post he has not replied yet but notice he ignored most of the comments
Thanks
—– Forwarded Message —-
From: “Talktozig@aol.com”
To: dennysmith61@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:38:28 PM
Subject: Re: Wake Up
He was registered as a muslim as a child and changed his website to remove the part that said “never a muslim”. It is a rational answer,.
In a message dated 11/20/2008 10:20:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dennysmith61@yahoo.com writes:
November 20th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
As usual Alan, does not give the entire truth to this story. I saw the episode on Hannity and Colmes. John Ziegler was nice to Alan; Alan just lost the debate and cannot accept that.
This YouTube video just proves my point. Too much ignorance in the voting public. I would bet half of the people who voted for Obama have no idea what they voted for. It was just “cool” to do. The media, especially this year, bought this election for Obama and will try to keep it a secret by trying to pass the Fairness Doctrine. They already know no-one wants to listen to liberal talk radio.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
I post his reply first then my reply!
From: “Talktozig@aol.com”
To: dennysmith61@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:34:20 PM
Subject: Re: Wake Up
no, you couldn’t be more wrong. I am saying that saying Obama is a muslim,,while not accurate is also not an irrational response.
- Forwarded Message —-
From: Denny Smith
To: Talktozig@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:42:18 PM
Subject: Re: Wake Up
Wow
He attended a Protestant Church for twenty years -you still consider that a rational response?
Lets Play Role Reversal So if he attended an Islamic Temple for the last twenty years but was raised a Christian briefly as a Child it would be rational to say he is a Christian? That would not be and irrational response?
Come on you can do better then that.
And what difference does it make what faith he is?
Do you think most of those surveyed knew about this so called website issue? Yea I am sure most of those sharp Texans knew about that when they answered the question LOL Be honest do you think they were aware?
I grew up a catholic but converted to Protestant twenty years ago. So is it rational to call me Catholic because I was brought up that way?
Obama has been going to protestant church for twenty years there is no prove he attended an Islamic Temple and no prove that is how he lived HIS LIFE
What Islamic Temple did he attend in Chicago? I mean he is a Muslim right?
He is criticized for sitting under Rev. Wright for twenty years and then called a Muslim UH? You cannot have it both ways if he went to a protestant church for twenty years he is Protestant. It is amazing how conservative arguments collapse in on themselves
Even if so it would be Not relevant what religion he is? Or would it? I guess if one is a Bigot
For sure it would be better the the Manifest Destiny Christianity of Bush.
And I notice you ignored other issues in the email
Media issue+Cop out? Republicans won in Much worse media situations
The Ignorant republican followed the phony Joe the Plumber and naive not prepared Sara Palin
Ask George Will-Powell Eagleberger AND MANY OTHER SMART CONSERVATIVES/Republicans
Past history speaks volumes
McCain ties etc?
McCain has appeared on Liddy’s radio show during the presidential campaign, including as recently as May.
During the segment, McCain praised Liddy’s “adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great,” said he was “proud” of Liddy, and said that “it’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program.”
During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in “if necessary”; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972 Republican National Convention — a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.)
So what do you all think? Who has been “paling around with terrorists?”
Democratic strategist Paul Begala lit the fire when, during an appearance on Meet the Press, he warned that this relatively obscure detail from McCain’s past could draw him into a guilt-by-association game he was bound to regret.
“John McCain sat on the board of…the U.S. Council for World Freedom,” said Begala, “The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization – which ADL said ‘has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.’”
Please think again
November 20th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Stop calling it the “Fairness Doctrine”. That is the name that liberals call it (like so many other things) for people that aren’t really paying attention.
We all know what they really want to do is stifle conservativism in America. Alan knows it. They all know it.
Liberals own the main stream media. Liberals have NPR. Liberals own most of the microphones in the media, so stop bellyaching over conservative radio. Next thing you know they will go after conservative blogs.
Conservatism is alive and well in America today! We have found other ways to communicate and get our message out since liberals dominate the media.
Stop hiding behind the misnomer of “fairness”, Alan. You know all this is is an attempt to prevent free speech for anybody that disagrees with liberals.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
The media only seems to affect the elections when conservative loose; when they win, the media had nothing to do with it.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
You’ve got to be kidding me. If Ziegler and Hannity need any reminder as to how much misinformation was passing around the right, they should just peruse the comments on this blog for awhile. Although considering Hannity was a manufacturer of this misinformation, he probably needs no reminding. The American education system is failing us, no matter which side of the political aisle you reside. If we actually had civics classes in schools, perhaps people in this country could identify the three branches of government and who is in control of Congress.
But then Hannity uses poll numbers on how many people could identify that Obama began his career in Ayers’ house and that he wants to eliminate the coal industry? Could those be MORE partisan of questions? He does a good job of framing questions in a manner that changes their meaning. You could also say, “Did Barack Obama state that failing to meet emission standards could cause the coal industry to go bankrupt?” or “Did Barack Obama attend a meet-and-greet with several other politicians at the home of William Ayers?” Changing the words can change the meaning; Hannity is certainly an expert at spinning the facts.
And I have a serious issue with Ziegler characterizing all Obama supporters as idiots (which no matter what he says, he’s trying to say with this video). I am a very well informed person and have conducted plenty of outside research of my own, separate from mainstream media representations. Just as not every Republican voter is an ignoramus, neither is every Democrat or independent. To say that because you disagree with someone, they’re stupid, is just plain childish.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Sue,
If he was showing voting ignorance overall why release an add like this? Why not both sides?
Again Nixon Reagan Bush Sr. All won big with no Fox News or Internet and some with no strong Conservative talk radio. Yet they made a case to America and Won. McCain had Fox news and Talk radio and many internet sites doing everything they could to get him elected but the only message was ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. He was a bad candidate with no clear economic message.
He pick a woman who was not ready for the Lime light and many conservatives like George Will Agreed…..
McCain should have had the Media Reagan/Nixon/Bush had to deal with the three Networks and the NY Times/Wash-Post. Polls have always shown the media to be tilted left.
Reagan/Nixon would roll over in his grave to hear such lame excuses
Thanks
November 20th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Dennis, you win the internet.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
I was never for the fairness doctrine but after hearing some of the terrible miss-information I have heard on the Radio.
I wonder?
If you think Fox news is bad try Fox News radio for the most part Attila the Hun was more Liberal LOL
November 20th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Jim, (Thanks :)
I have to agree CNN was the fairest of the major Cable networks.
It was kinda fun jumping from FOX-CNN-MSNBC to hear different views and focus areas. The more I did the more it became clear CNN was the most balanced.
Thanks
November 20th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I don’t think Fox News is all that bad, they’re just wayyyy Right. (The claim of Fair and Balanced makes me laugh a bit, but otherwise it’s what it is)
And that’s fine. we have Fox for the Right crowd, MSNBC for the Left, and CNN for the Center (though it leans left pretty often).
And C-Span for all of them, which under Obama’s ‘transparent’ government ideas, should be watched a lot more often now.
I listen to NPR, and someone said it was far left in one of these blogposts. Is it? I listen to Science Friday (part of Talk of the Nation), and All Things Considered, Thistle and Shamrock, Dianne Rheem, and of course, Car Talk with Click and Clack. I find NPR to be a cultural station, and it’s Public Broadcasting. It’s pretty center on it’s news programming.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Jim,
I agree NPR I find much fairer then most.
And I find Bill O’ to be the most independent of Fox News hosts.
(Believe it or not)
I wish he would get away from the quiz games and Body language segments and stick with more meat.
I always wonder if he left Fox would he go more Center?
The show has a place and it is important all voices be heard.
What bothers me most is not so much what one believes but how they got there!
Bill seems to go through a logical process.
Hannity—-well Went he starts a process I guess I can give an Opinion on it LOL
Thanks
November 20th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
I guess if Father Coughlin had a radio show….
November 20th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Tiger 184: “Stop calling it the “Fairness Doctrine”. That is the name that liberals call it (like so many other things) for people that aren’t really paying attention.”
Uh, the Fairness Doctrine is what the FCC actually called it, it wasn’t exactly coined by liberals. The doctrine was in use until the Republicans killed it so radio execs could use OUR public airwaves could make big bank, by trotting out conservative propoganda 24-7.
Tiger184: “Liberals own the main stream media. Liberals have NPR. Liberals own most of the microphones in the media, so stop bellyaching over conservative radio. Next thing you know they will go after conservative blogs.”
Actually, most of the owners and shareholders are likely conservative. NPR is really not that liberal, when you think about how they reported on the Clinton administration. And conservative blogs, many of the ones I’ve seen, squelch liberal and moderate views pretty handily through the way they’re moderated, or because they charge a fee to participate. So much for free speech.
Tiger184: Stop hiding behind the misnomer of “fairness”, Alan. You know all this is is an attempt to prevent free speech for anybody that disagrees with liberals.”
Alan has said on this very blog that he is not overly fond of the Fairness Doctrine, so maybe YOU should be the one to “pay attention.”
Riddle me this, Riddler: How does requiring ALL sides to be presented, “prevent free speech for anybody,” including those who disagree with liberals?
November 20th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Tiger184,
Liberals think that the right owns the mainstream media:
Former Cheney communications director, Cathie Martin testified that;
“I suggested we put the vice president on ‘Meet the Press,’ which was a tactic we often used,” Martin testified. “It’s our best format.”
She wrote,
Option 1: “MTP-VP,” then listed the pros and cons of a vice presidential appearance on the Sunday show. Under “pro,” she wrote: “control message.”
Sumner Redstone, CEO of CBS ’s parent company Viacom, made an unusual political statement at a gathering of corporate leaders in Hong Kong (Asian Wall Street Journal, 9/24/04):
I don’t want to denigrate Kerry… but from a Viacom standpoint, the election of a Republican administration is a better deal. Because the Republican administration has stood for many things we believe in, deregulation and so on. The Democrats are not bad people…. But from a Viacom standpoint, we believe the election of a Republican administration is better for our company.
Redstone repeated these sentiments in an interview with Time (10/4/04):
There has been comment upon my contribution to Democrats like Senator Kerry. Senator Kerry is a good man. I’ve known him for many years. But it happens that I vote for Viacom. Viacom is my life, and I do believe that a Republican administration is better for media companies than a Democratic one.
And I’ve never looked back.
It’s just propaganda that they are left leaning.
Conservatives admit it among themselves:
~ Richard Bonn, former RNC chair said,
“There is some strategy to bashing the liberal media…if you watch any great coach,what they do is try to ‘work the refs’. Maybe the ref will cut you some slack the next time”.
~ Bruce Bartlett said in NRO: “the idea that the media tilts towards liberals is absurd.”
This myth of a “liberal media” is just there to manipulate the people.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
The fact is a lot of voters on both sides didn’t do their research. Have you heard the Howard STern bit where they interviewed Obama supporters? Everything they said they agreed with were republican talking points. It is a sad state of affairs to see anyone look as rediculous as these people did.
As far as the fairness doctrine goes, there are plenty of liberal talk radio shows that have been on the airwaves. Are all of them still on air? NO. Why? People listen to what they want to listen to, and if ratings aren’t what they should be they go away.
sounds fair to me.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Shame Hannity is going at it again today.He said “the market is responding to Obama Elected as president”. Who was president on sept.15-2008 when the market crashed?
November 20th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Pierre
Typical Hannity not only who was President on the 15th but the conservatives love to brag that McCain was ahead in the polls on the 15th and only after that did he go down. So if he was ahead (which he was) then by that logic or lack there of the Market must have been reacting to the McCain lead on September 15th LOL
Right Hannity
His Logic crashes in on it self AGAIN!
November 20th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
All I heard was “we need the bail out” we gotta have it. So what did congress do? Flipped the bird at an overwhelming majority of Americans and voted for the first bail out. What happens? The market crashes, and crashes and crashes. If they pass another bail out on this watch, or the next, hold onto your retirement funds because it ain’t gonna be pretty.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
“And rocky the rottweiler, the Obama chant was to reinforce the hysteria that has caught on for Obama.”
Bull, the chant was designed to reinforce the radical rightwing campaign to portray the President-elect as a dirty muslim commie anti-American Afro-extremist terrorist slimeball, and that makes it hate speech.
“But I am a bigot because I voted yes on 8…”
No, if you voted Yes on Prop 8 you’re probably homophobic, and maybe you should get some counseling.
“Many of you on here are just riding the left wing highway.”
And you dropped by just to illuminate our world and explain how we’ve got everything wrong? How do you manage to hold your head upright with an ego that immense?
November 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Irak has acquired enough plutonium to make a bomb.So is it Bush or Obama’s fault, Sean hannity? HO,well the Messiah is responsible for everything as hannity would suggest.By the way ,I remember Sean comparing Moses to Bush because they both have the same speech impediment.Well, Sean’s messiah did not deliver.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
BTW after asking very direct questions and confronting the clear contradictions the Ziegler man stopped replying
Maybe he will…..?
Most people are not informed so to focus on one group is a definite sign of a bias and tilt toward trying to just make your side look better
It did not work during campaign it will not now
November 20th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Rocky,
How many of those anti 8 people were democrats, and dare I say african american? It isn’t just people from the right or christians who do not want gay marriage to be legalized.
And it doesn’t make you a homophobe. That is like saying if you vote “yes” to legalize medicinal marijuana you are obviously a pothead.
November 20th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Why are the Foxy news pundits worried about the fairness doctrine? They are fair and balance–Ha-HA-HA!
November 20th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Their shtick is playing the victim against a boogyman.
November 20th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Here’s the latest video of Obama supporters, it was documented as post election coverage, it’s pretty revealing
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive
November 20th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Down go the the right winger- down go the right winger – down go the right winger(sean hannity).Yet,he is still spewing the same garbage/B.S.as he did before the historical and convincing victory of Obama. Instead of going into “conservatisim in exile”,He should go to Rehab.for a long treatement.
November 20th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Oh Yer, Obama win causes some depressive hate – mongers to realize how empty and pathetic their lives are.Ex. are Sean Hannity, O’rielly, Savage, Molzberg and Foxy news network.
November 20th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Why do cooporations pay Rush & Hannity 100 millions? Well, no problem, they pass the cost to the consumers. So how can we have a consumer-tax-cut and keep some of our hard-earned money?Those parasites have no productive function(no goods production) to society at large.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Liberals do not support the fairness doctrine, O’rielly.They support real FAIR & BALANCE network. No more junkyard dogs(Hannity).
November 20th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Open Letter to Sean Hannity
Your shameless display of your hypocrisy leaves me HOOKED to your program every night.Somewhat escapist of me,but somehow makes me feel better seeing a hypocrite like you give more evidence for it each night.
Please rationalize to me how:
1.You are so upset by people snooping in on Joe the plumber,violating his RIGHT to privacy, and then without pause for breath glowingly GLOAT about how you TRACKED down Ayers,Khalidi(people you had already DAMNED before talking to them),without obtaining their consent,knowing that given the way you painted them,they wouldnt want to talk to you,and KNOWING that you ANYWAY intend to paint them even more negatively after this “confrontation”.I guess right to privacy for a person exists as long as the person is on your side huh Sean?BLOODY HYPOCRITE You Are
2.I will have the following mock question session with you:
a.Me:Are you(Sean) proud to be an American?
Sean:YES I AM(reasonable answer?)
Me:America killed THOUSANDS of people in Vietnam,innocent civilians.America hasnt shown ANY sign of being sorry for that.America hasnt apologized to the people of Vietnam
Sean:(You can fill in ANY explanation you want here)
Me: Okay,America killed 1000s and 1000s,America didnt show any sign of being sorry for what they did in Vietnam(Or Iraq)…tell me this:If you believe you could be proud of America,proud of being American,without America apologizing for the above,and yet you believe Ayers needs to feel sorry for killing policemen in the 1960s-70s:you know what word iam leading to?You got it…BLOODY HYPOCRITE
3.The soldiers fighting in Iraq for the USA are brave:They are taking the ultimate risk(of their own individual lives):In return,they’re being told:This is for the safety of your countrymen,for freedom.
How do you respond?Everytime someone wants to talk about withdrawal from Iraq,you make fun of them with this “white flag of surrender” childish taunt. A TRULY brave man will be a WATCHDOG on the commander-in-chief,and ensure in his limited abilities that the commander-in-chief doesnt send OR leave these brave men and women in harm’s way WITHOUT sufficient cause.A truly brave man will OPPOSE the commander in chief with his fullest ability when the commander in chief abuses his power to send them in harm’s way without sufficient cause.A COWARD like you will HIDE behind THEIR bravery and like to pretend that THEIR bravery oozes on to you by your “white flag of surrender” talk. And worse, when someone actually has the COURAGE to oppose their commander-in-chief for sending the brave men and women of the armed forces into harm’s way without cause, AS AYERS ACTUALLY DID,you have the colossal nerve to call HIM a Coward On Air!!!Guess what Sean,that once again leaves you a HYPOCRITE
keep the venom coming,Sean Hannity fans absolutely love it!
Karthik
November 20th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Hey, O’Rielly the word negroe is not equivalent to the N-word.Negroe in spanish/ french means Black.The N-word has a different connotation.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
I think that this video of Obama fanatics should be required viewing by every political consultant. Politics is a branding exercise and the clueless of both sides have the same vote as the most informed.
I can easily show videos of conservatives saying Obama is a muslim and he killed babies on an alter.
I think though that the respondees knowing alot more about Palin than Obama shows that media negativity does seep in. People learned to hate her in ways that conservatives never hated Michelle Obama. They never had a chance to. She was smartly out of sight out of mind, a lesson John Kerry never learned.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Craig,
How is this different than Bush supporters saying that they voted for Bush because they wanted to “have a beer with him”,
Or the Dan Savage piece on Mike Huckabee supporters claiming they ‘voted for Bush because he was a good Christian, but he turned out not to be, but Huckabee is!’
Or Frank Thomas’ (What’s The Matter With Kanas?), interview with the guy in Pa, who said, “I like Bush, because, he’s REALLY sticking it to big business.”
Michael Shea’s , documentary , Red State, where some people voted for Bush because, ‘If we are at war, you are supposed to vote for the president”, “Bush was the the only candidate I heard of”, “the pastor said,” etc, etc.
OR….the “Obama’s an A-rab” lady?
November 21st, 2008 at 7:49 am
Alan complained that John Ziegler, in a recent tv appeatance, “brought up race where no race issue was priviously implied.”
Where was Alan during the campaign when the only ones to bring up race was Obama and his campaign? I know this is old news now but I just want to bring out the point that Alan can be a partisan hack, and totally ignore facts if they get in the way of his agenda.
That is how conservatives get the tag of racism, from the constant drumbeat of liberals like Alan and his kind who are always the ones who are the first to bring out race or the race card.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:20 am
Does the right realize that the left says EXACTLY the same about them?
Conservatives get the tag of racism, because they say racist things.
“That is how conservatives get the tag of racism, from the constant drumbeat of liberals like Alan and his kind who are always the ones who are the first to bring out race or the race card.”
You mean like, “halfrican, Barack the Magic Negro”,“the first affirmative action election”, “What are you gonna do, Obama, come to Denver and try, key word try, to whip my white ass?”
Can tell us honestly and for real that if Obama’s daughter was 17, in high school, pregnant, that these guys would not be saying, “And his teenage daughter, is as they all are, my friends, …blah, blah”?
November 21st, 2008 at 8:41 am
All I am saying is that on Obama brought up the race card in the campaign. I heard Alan and the “drive by media”, to quote Rushbo, report it as though the McCain campaign were talking about Obama’s race. They cannot be intellectually honest with themselves or their viewers or listeners and report the facts because the facts tend to refute their arguments.
There are racists out there and they come from all political parties. Admit it, the dems have their share of racists too. I could mention all the sexist remarks from the dems about Sarah Palin. Libs seem to ignore those though.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:58 am
How did Obama bring up the race card, other than to acknowledge that his name and race ARE different?
I have NO doubt that there are Republicans who would not think twice about voting for a non white Republican, and Democrats who will NOT vote for a Black guy, no matter what.
I just think that the right wing Obama bashers decided to roll with racial hatred, instead of issues.
AS for sexism against Palin, when you add up knowledge, shallowness, and compare HER to Hillary, and the sexist remarks against her, to be accusing Palin’s critics of sexism is laughable.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:13 am
“And it doesn’t make you a homophobe.”
Sure it does.
“That is like saying if you vote “yes” to legalize medicinal marijuana you are obviously a pothead.”
No, actually it’s like saying if you vote AGAINST legalizing medical marijuana you’re either being paid by the pharmaceutical lobby or you have your head up your butt.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:12 am
“Where was Alan during the campaign when the only ones to bring up race was Obama and his campaign?”
Factually incorrect. And if you actually listened to Alan’s radio show you’d know that race was brought up relentlessly night after night five days a week for more than a year by radical rightwing neoCons who were absolutely terrified to the brink of hysteria that “the black man” might be elected president.
And, one by one, Alan shot them down every time.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:18 am
MITT ROMNEY on his faith cost him and it was own party. The hardcore right wingers ditch MITT on faith gulity as sin about OBAMA.
November 21st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
I saw the interview on Hannity and Colmes…Ziegler never said Obama voters were morons. It was Alan Colmes who implied that.
Alan, if you do not believe that Obama voters are morons, then prove it. Find 12 random Obama supporters in a shopping mall and ask them the same questions as in the Ziegler documentary. I dare you.
I will anxiously await your investigative report! LOL!
November 21st, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Old,
Not every racist in this country is a republican. His race was NOT used by the McCain campaign period. Obama brought up his race multiple times on the campaign trail.
I knew this would continue. The guy got elected, he is black, get on with it. And stop saying this country is racist. If that were true, a black man wouldn’t be President elect.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:27 pm
BTW, I can give you a LONGGGG laundery list of why I and many others didn’t vote for him…and none of the reasons include his race.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Hey! What did they mean when they repeatdly said ” He Is Not One Of Us”.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Rebecca:
I dont understand the point of the Ziegler documentary.
X(McCain) has a set of issues which he believes will induce voters to choose him. X raised those issues. Some parts of the media(Fox) relentlessly pushed it down the throats of the audience.Most parts of the media chose not to.The audience in any case didnt get bought by whatever they saw, and they chose to not CARE about those “issues”.I learn about issues I care about.I dont need to bother knowing the exact details of issues I dont care about. For example,I care about the deficit.I KNOW that Bush has a Veto on bills pushed by Congress.I know Bush got my vote under the assumption,PROMISE made by him,Republicans of being fiscally conservative.I know he didnt use his veto enough,and we’re in a big deficit now.How do i CARE who was in Congress?
This man PROMISED to be conservative,as the commander in chief.He obviously had his focus on Iraq,and neglected all other promises.When are you Republicans gonna own up some RESPONSIBILITY for failed promises of 8 years?
All this study does is more Sean Hannity crying “People dont know about the issues WE care about”:DUHH They dont know because they dont WANT to know,because they dont CARE about those.Because they believe,for good/bad,that those issues dont matter to them(and it is absolutely true in the context of the issue of knowing who controls congress:All the audience cares about is,Bush didnt use his veto enough).
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:14 am
As far as Ziegler Documentary goes:
Lets do one among Republicans,just one question
Do you believe reducing taxes,KEEPING ALL OTHER THINGS CONSTANT,is:
1.Good for Industry
2.Allowing you to keep more of what you earn
3.In no way connected to the current economic crisis
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:26 am
T. Mason,
I said,
How did Obama bring up the race card, other than to acknowledge that his name and race ARE different?
I have NO doubt that there are Republicans who would not think twice about voting for a non white Republican, and Democrats who will NOT vote for a Black guy, no matter what.
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If I didn’t make it clear, “I have NO doubt that there are Republicans who would not think twice about voting for a non white Republican”,
MEANS that I think there are MANY Republicans who would vote for a non white IF the candidate were Republican.
My point was that it was NOT Obama who interjected racism into the campaign.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:00 am
It absolutely was OBAMA who injected race into the campaign and all the far left wingnuts who continued the rant and are still screaming it from the rooftop.
PLENTY of republicans and conservative independents voted for Obama, otherwise he would not have won.
Racism or your definition to racism isn’t defined by which political party you claim to be a part of. It has to do with how you live your life.
On multiple campaign stops HE brought race up. McCain never mentioned it.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:50 pm
BTW,
Maybe the question you should be posing, since the democrats want to have the market on “intellectualism” is this : “how many democrats would EVER vote for a black, conservative, christian black person?”
The answer is most likely. NONE.
does that make them racist?
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Old Lefty,
It was Obama who injected race into the campaign. Does Obama think we are all stupid who opposed him in the campaign? He had to bring up his name and race because we had no clue about who he is or what his race was?
Elitist if you ask me.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Good point T. Mason. I don’t really know of any democrat that would vote for a black christian conservative. Just look how they treated Michael Steele of Maryland or Alan Keyes in Illinois, not to mention what they said about Justice Thomas.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Oh, I forgot, if your a democrat it is different.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
karthiks030977
Naturally, there are certain issue that people like to pay attention to over others..this is the way it is …but not knowing who controls congress is not an issue of partisan interest or pushing issues down the public’s throat. It is simply the bare bones basic civic knowledge that anyone claiming to be informed should know.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:07 pm
The statistical analysis of the poll betrays the bias. It is not representative of anything but the predetermined beliefs of the person who commissioned and shaped the poll.
I don’t recall Obama people believing the ridiculous concept of Obama being an…”Arab”….or being dumb enough to fall for Palin’s stupidity.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Rebecca when did the people who were interviewed CLAIM to be informed? Since the study was done among Obama voters,do you believe only people who are informed should be voting?The people who were interviewed ARE citizens.They voted on what they felt about what mattered to them. Why would they need to know this bare bones civic knowledge’?
And why are Republicans tom-tomming this interview?Is there an argument being made that because Democrats control Congress,it absolves George W Bush of not using his veto power to attempt to be fiscally conservative?Are Republicans trying to make the case that Bush didnt really promise to do everything he can for his government to be fiscally conservative?As I said at the beginning,I see NO point of this study.It would be good for the country,good for Republicans to own up their failure to be committed to fiscal conservatism. The more I see it,the more I am convinced that Republicans arent really committed to fiscal conservatism, they are only committed to religious conservatism, and they’re happy to keep promising (and delivering) lower taxes, while doing NOTHING about size of government spending, and ending up taxing everyone through the back door(by printing currency to make up for the deficit incurred by the above,and devaluing the residual income of EVERYONE).Till Republicans like YOU wake up to this,and start questioning them,I doubt they will show serious commitment to Fiscal Conservatism.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Maybe the question you should be posing, since the democrats want to have the market on “intellectualism” is this : “how many democrats would EVER vote for a black, conservative, christian black person?”
The answer is most likely. NONE.
does that make them racist?
Posted by T. Mason
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They just DID vote for a “black, MODERATE, christian black person”!
If the Democrats become as corrupt as the GOP had become, (and they may in time), and a black, conservative, christian black person” was the alternative to getting the country back on track, I guess as many Democrats would vote for him or her as Republicans would vote for a black, LIBERAL, christian black person?”.
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:43 am
Rebecca:Where did the interviewed people who for Obama voted claim to be have ‘ barebone civic knowledge’?Or are you or is Ziegler making the case that having this barebone knowledge should be a qualifier on who gets to vote?
And while we’re at it,why dont you take my “Republican Economic Survey”.Its a single true or false question(with A,B,C choices,Yes/No options for each.
“Do you believe reducing taxes,KEEPING ALL OTHER THINGS CONSTANT,is:
1.Good for Industry,economy
2.Allowing you to keep more of what you earn
3.In no way connected to the current economic crisis
(Hint:The correct answer to all 3 questions is NO.I would like to see how many Republicans who claim to be conservatives actually understand this.I expect 40% to answer Yes to 1,95+% to answer Yes to 2,and about 40% to say Yes to 3.The answer to 2 lies at the HEART of Republican’s failure to understand what Conservatism truly means,and believing what they’re told by the Republican Media,such as Fox News.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:16 am
Old,
If you think the same hot-headed, blame blame blame the republicans for everything group, everything that goes wrong is the fault of the republicans crowd would EVER vote for ANY republican, much less a black republican I would have to stronly disagree with you.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:42 pm
And btw, your idea of Obama being a moderate. Where did that come from? he certainly was NOT a moderate in the senate. He was the most far left senator we have seen in a while.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Mason…
no, not everything wrong is the fault of the republicans…..the conservatives caused some havoc as well….oh, and don’t forget those nasty little neocons, too
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Talk to me in 4 years.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Obama is not a moderate…..He is the President (elect to some, but since Bush isn’t doing a damn thing, somebody has to start acting…look at what happened in the market after the new Treasury Secretary was nominated).
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
The rating of Obama regarding his voting record is by a far right publication. The weight of that rating is felt only as far as the credibility of that publication is accepted. It was a nice little chip for the Republicans to attempt to play, but it didn’t carry any water….or votes. The whole “Watch out, he is a liberal” scream by the McCain campaign only brought them woe and more attention on how McCain was not conservative enough to carry his own party base.
Let that go…
As far as blaming the republicans….I don’t. There is plenty of blame for many things…but, the administration is not blameless for a vast number of misdeeds, crimes, political fauxpaus, errors in judgment, and blatent bias political plays (Harriet Myers for supreme court, anyone? or how about good old Attorney General — ya gotta be kidding me….”I don’t remember” Gonzales).
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:53 pm
T. Mason,
I’ve always felt that the whole GOP strategy was to present a “hot-headed, blame blame, blame the DEMOCRATS for everything”, motto…..so the fact that THEY would EVER vote for ANY DEMOCRAT, much less a black DEMOCRAT, is laughable to everyone on my side of the aisle.
And by the way, Obama is to the right of Eisenhower, who said:
“We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. “
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone.
It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.
. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. [...] Is there no other way the world may live?”
-Dwight David Eisenhower, “The Chance for Peace,” speech given to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, Apr. 16, 1953.
And Teddy Roosevelt, who said:
http://www.ssa.gov/history/trspeech.html
.
We stand for a living wage. Wages are subnormal if they fail to provide a living for those who devote their time and energy to industrial occupations. The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of living–a standard high enough to make morality possible, to provide for education and recreation, to care for immature members of the family, to maintain the family during periods of sickness, and to permit of reasonable saving for old age.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/trspeech.html
What a couple of far left, loony commies!
Imagine a president calling excessive defense spending “a theft from the poor”, or calling for a wage , “high enough to make morality possible, and to provide for education and recreation,”!
I just think today’s conservatives have come SO far from good governance, that they don’t recognize it anymore.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:18 pm
T Mason,
(2 parts, due to the spam filter):
I’ve always felt that the whole GOP strategy was to present a “hot-headed, blame blame, blame the DEMOCRATS for everything”, motto…..so the fact that THEY would EVER vote for ANY DEMOCRAT, much less a black DEMOCRAT, is laughable to everyone on my side of the aisle.
And by the way, Obama is to the right of Eisenhower, who said:
“We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. “
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone.
It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.
. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. [...] Is there no other way the world may live?”
-Dwight David Eisenhower, “The Chance for Peace,” speech given to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, Apr. 16, 1953.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:30 pm
And,
And Teddy Roosevelt, who said:
“We stand for a living wage. Wages are subnormal if they fail to provide a living for those who devote their time and energy to industrial occupations. The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of living–a standard high enough to make morality possible, to provide for education and recreation, to care for immature members of the family, to maintain the family during periods of sickness, and to permit of reasonable saving for old age.”
http://www.ssa.gov/history/trspeech.htmll
What a couple of far left, loony commies!
Imagine a president calling excessive defense spending “a theft from the poor”, or calling for a wage , “high enough to make morality possible, and to provide for education and recreation,”!
I just think today’s conservatives have come SO far from good governance, that they don’t recognize it anymore.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I hear Alan is leaving??? Wow, thanks, Alan, that’s one of the nicest things anyone’s ever done for us. Soon, I hope?
November 25th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
[...] talk show host John Ziegler, who put out a film which he claims is to show how the media fooled people into voting for Obama, [...]
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:09 am
They already know no-one wants to listen to liberal talk radio.
Posted by Sue
November 20th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
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Who is “they”?
I’d like to tell them that I love liberal talk radio!!
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:34 pm