Biden Isn’t Asking Cheney For VP Advice
December 21st, 2008, 10:29 AM EST
It’s customary for an incoming VP to consult with his predecessor about the gig, but this seems not to be the case during the present power transition. Speaking on “Fox News Sunday”, Dick Cheney says Biden hasn’t asked for any advice.
But why would Biden consult with the man he called “the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history”? And Biden said he couldn’t name a single good thing Cheney has done. How about that he is leaving office without being dragged by his feet while clinging on to the drapes?
Why indeed would Biden consult with Cheney? Cheney recently admitted to ABC News that he approved torture, including waterboarding, forbidden by the War Crimes Act and the Geneva Convention. He still approves of such actions. At this moment we have a vice president who’s an unrepentant war criminal.
The transcript: http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=6464697
An article on Cheney’s war crimes:http://www.truthout.org/121908J
December 21st, 2008 at 10:46 am
wow biden does have a point!
can anyone name a single good thing cheney has done as VP in the last 8 years?
-besides leaving office finally!
i cant. can you?
December 21st, 2008 at 10:56 am
Glad to see Biden has a common sence view of his job. Dick Chwney used and abused the Vice President office. Profits for oil on a illegel war in Iraq. A huge liar to the American people without repentance. At times during interviews he doesn,t give a s@^t how the American people feel about his wrongs. I would not take advice from this man that has lead this nation into failure.
December 21st, 2008 at 11:01 am
Why would he ask for VP advise…wasn’t Cheney the president?
December 21st, 2008 at 11:01 am
just spent last fifteen minutes listening to your show.
i being a far right conserative always wondered what was on your mind while you were on fox.
i like the traditional style of taking callers. i may disagree with what you say but i enjoy your style
oh bye the way …when was the last time any vp accomplished anything? and the only good thing about biden is that he is not hillary !
December 21st, 2008 at 11:12 am
I sure hope he doesn’t ask Cheney for advice. I don’t want more of the same for the next four years.
December 21st, 2008 at 11:31 am
and was it also not joes opinion at one time that obama was not qualifid to be president ?
December 21st, 2008 at 11:32 am
Would you consult with Reichsführer Himmler on his running of Gestapo World? Well no, probably not.
December 21st, 2008 at 11:38 am
Well, I’m sorry, but I must disagree.
There is MUCH that the VP Dick (Cheney) could teach Joe Biden:
(one) Where to find the “secret- undisclosed location”?
(two) Joe Biden will need to learn how to shake babies and kiss hands. (Ok, maybe I have that wrong? Maybe you KISS babies and shake hands. However- we are talking about Cheney. Maybe he does shake babies while taking oil profits during this illegal war. With all his WAR CRIME buddies, getting all “War Crimey”.)
(three) The VP must act like he really cares for the President’s plans. (Thus, acting is important.)
Joe Biden could learn a lot from Cheney.
However, this meeting would piss off liberals and Obama is doing a fine job of that.
Biden did the right thing by NOT meeting with Cheney.
December 21st, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Biden is dead on. He knows Cheney is the worst and most dangerous VP the US has ever had. If you watch his face when Palin was talking about the “role” of the VP during the debate he looked like he wanted to punch her. And I totally wanted him to do it too! Biden believes in the constitution and Cheney believes in Cheney. Jan. 20th gets closer and closer each and every day.
December 21st, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, balh, sour grapes, hate monger liberals! Is there no decency in any liberal today? If their guy doesn’t get elected then the election is “stolen” and they do nothing but hate speech of the guy for eight solid years. Because they are blinded by hate they cannot see anything clearly and by trashing our President for eight years they have done a great dis-service to our country. But they fail to see this because of their hate.
I didn’t support Obama, but I wish him nothing but the best during his Presidency, because this hate has got to stop and we must all do what is right for America.
God Bless America.
December 21st, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Liberals love this country Willy. We love it so much we refuse to sit back and watch our consitution get compromised by someone who erked their way into the White House, twice. Dont forget he didnt really win FL and it also came down to one state in 04′. Name me another time that happened? It didn’t. Dick Cheney allocated power to himself that is not authorized in the consititution and a lot people should and do have a problem with that. Especially the ones who didnt vote for them. Its one thing to lose, its another to lose and to see the consititution disgraced. Happy Hannukah
December 21st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Bush won Florida in EVERY recount. Whay did Gore only want heavily democratic counties recounted? Why did he not call for a state recount? What was his goal?
Where did this Administration go beyond the Constitution? What did Dick Cheney go beyond the Constitution? When did we vote for both a President and VP separately?
December 21st, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Name one good thing Gore did as VP. Good Lord.
You liberals are in for one heckuva ride over the next 4 years. You voted for OZ and instead you are going to get a big dose of reality.
You have taught republicans OH SO WELL how to treat a president and vice president of the opposite party.
December 21st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
The role of the VP is to break a tie in the senate. Not to elect yourself a member of the legislature, which is what Cheney did. He would sit in congressional meetings that no other VP has ever done. The consititution makes that pretty damn clear. He had no right as a member of the executive branch to attempt to legislate. That was not his job! Period. VP is a cerimonial role historically. I cant believe you would actually stick up for Cheney who says what Nixon said “if the executive does it than its not illegal” Well Dick, we shall see.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
If you want to throw stones at one then throw them at all. The question someone posed was, name one good thing Cheney has”done”. Okay then, name one good thing ANY VP has done.
What did you think about hillary screwing her nose into healthcare while her hubby was president? Boy that worked wonders didn’t it?
December 21st, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Ike, please tell me exactly where in the Constitution you read that the VP cannot do what ever you said he can’t do so that I may look it up also. I would like to read it.
When did he elect himself a member of the legislature? Where can I read that he did this?
If the sole reason we have a VP is to simply break a tie in the Senate, then why do we need one? Why not just have the Pres. do this?
December 21st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Read Article II. He is a tie breaking vote-not a member of the legislature. Its clear as day. There is also a damn good reason the executive is Article II. Look it up Cheney did it. Which is where Biden got his “most dangerous VP” comment. Sarah Palin said the same thing that Cheney has done is OK and its laid out in the constitution, which proved two things 1. She has NEVER read the constitution 2. Americans were not going allow an idiot to usurp power, which is why she LOST. The constitution is EXPLICIT on the role of VP. Maybe I see that because I spend a lot of time studying it when others are studying the bible. My bible is the United States Constitution.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
IKE,
If what you say is true then the dems in office are idiots for not doing something about it.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Ike, I just read Article II and it wasn’t there.
The most important document is the Bible.
The second most important document is the U.S. Constitution. Our Founding Fathers prayed many times while debating the contents of the Constitution.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
“You have taught republicans OH SO WELL how to treat a president…”
No you taught us with Bill Clinton, and the wheel goes round and round.
“Where did this Administration go beyond the Constitution?”
I know that’s a joke, so I won’t bore everyone by recounting the endless series of offenses committed by the Bush administration.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
The most important document to Christians is the bible. Not everyone is a christian. Just because the founders were christians does not mean everyone has to be. I have no problems with “in god we trust” “one nation under god” ect. But the founders also wanted to make sure that all people of different faiths were able to have their rights not just christians.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
IKe,
So don’t try and take rights away from Christians. We are guaranteed freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM it.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
What Christian rights are being taken away?
December 21st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I didn’t know you were a bore Rocky. lol just joking.
So Ike, why are muslims getting special rights at some universities for foot washing stations and places to pray and you mention God and you are practically taken to court for practing your faith? What we are getting is special rights for certain groups. In the eyes of muslims, not all though, is if you don’t convert to the muslim faith then you must die.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
The right to put up a nativity on the public square, the right to post the Ten Commandants, the right to have a Christian shield on your town welcome sign, the right to take your Bible to school, the right to have prayer before a high school athletic event to ask God to watch over the participants, etc, just to name a few.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:53 pm
And in the eyes of all Christians if you do not accept jesus than you go to hell. All religions are strange.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Ike,
And in the eyes of all muslims if you don’t believe like they do then you are going to hell and not getting your 72 virgins. some believe if you don’t accept allah then you deserve to die. If you aren’t one religion you will never reach nirvana, etc etc etc.
So your point is: stifle all religions you deem weird or wrong?
You have a right to not believe in anything. Heck, shout it from the rooftop. Get a sticker for your car. I’ll just shake my head and say a prayer for you as I drive by. Which brings me to my next exam[ple. The guy up north who tried to get a vanity place with JHN36tn (or something similar) on his plate. the state wouldn’t let him have it, but BUDDHA was allowed..among other religious plates that were NOT christian.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Whatever I have no time to discuss religion. Happy Hannukah!
December 21st, 2008 at 3:14 pm
You leaving us Ike?
December 21st, 2008 at 3:18 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://www.examiner.com/x-1234-DC-Political-Satire-Examiner~y2008m12d20-Funniest-of-2008-top-ten-Joe-Biden-quotes
December 21st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I got a holiday to celebrate. Happy Hannukah to all! Shalom
December 21st, 2008 at 3:34 pm
I think Joe Biden has alot more character and intelligence than Dick Cheney. What kind of advice would Cheney be able to give anyway? How to screw the constitution and the American people.
December 21st, 2008 at 3:45 pm
I believe if Obama/Biden want advice and wisdom they will look at history books of presidents from decades ago. FDR and Eisenhower knew how to lead this Nation.
December 21st, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Cheney gets joked on a lot but enough people stress in media that this man is no joke.
He and his ilk will happily destroy this country and remake it into a Ameri-Russia.
Torture policy is just one issue. These recent GOP neophytes are a whole new brand of dangerous.
December 21st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I find it extremly laughable to take advice from a vice president that went beyound law.
December 21st, 2008 at 4:41 pm
“Name one good thing Gore did as VP. Good Lord.”
Name one good thing (only ONE) that Cheney did as VP (and no, waterboarding Muslims is not an option).
December 21st, 2008 at 4:45 pm
TDRo,
You can’t name one? Come on, clinton and gore were the golden children of the 90’s. Right?
Of course we have the next 4 years to look forward to. I can’t wait for all the gaffes that Biden will produce. He thinks HIGHER taxes are patriotic. Hold onto your wallets.
December 21st, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Joe Biden is another Dan Quail.
Stand up Joe let us see you!
From the smallest state where there are many potato heads.
YA THATS IT Joe potato head !!!!!!
December 21st, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Dick non shooting Cheney.
December 21st, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Willy ~ “The right to put up a nativity on the public square, the right to post the Ten Commandants, the right to have a Christian shield on your town welcome sign, the right to take your Bible to school, the right to have prayer before a high school athletic event to ask God to watch over the participants, etc, just to name a few.”
Most of those things you mentioned are in direct violation of the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. They were never a “right” to be taken away.
Best regards,
CDP
December 21st, 2008 at 6:28 pm
CDP, I firmly disagree. “or prohibiting the exercise thereof”
If you want to stifle religion from the public totally then we will be nothing more than a communist country where folks have to hide in their basements.
December 21st, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;… First Amendment
CDP, Mason is right. It sounds like you want all religious beliefs to be silenced anywhere outside of four walls.
By not allowing the above mentioned the state has prohibited the free exercise of our religious beliefs.
The First Amendment prohibits the state from ESTABLISHING A RELIGION. All the above is not an establishment of a state religion.
December 21st, 2008 at 6:53 pm
I can see this being overturn 1 day if the right folks come into power. Come on,The GOP inputs GOD on wedge issues and in the case of gays,their civil rights. Therefore under a secular gov,t,let them be equal.
December 21st, 2008 at 7:01 pm
T Mason,
Well the Supreme Court of The United Sates of America would disagree with you.
You might want to read up on Reynolds vs United States.
There is nothing wrong with you having a nativity scene in your front yard, however it is a violation of the rights on tax paying non-Christian citizens of the USA to have that religious symbol on property that is supported by their tax dollars.
How would you like it if they put up a large display for Ramadan in the public square on your town?
The problem comes when the government is supporting one religion to the exclusion of others.
If we have that then we wind up with a Theocracy, you know like they have in Iran or what the Taliban would like to see…. same thing just a different religion.
Surely even you can see the danger in that.
Best regards,
CDP
December 21st, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Willy
President of the Senate
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote unless they be equally divided.
[U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 3, clause 4]
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Constitution_Senate.htm
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section3
December 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pm
As for as Cheney goes, well, I can think of something nice, but it’s irrelevant to his performance in office. I hear he treats his daughter well. As I assume most know, she’s a lesbian. Whether Cheney’s pro gay marriage or not, I don’t know. But I’m not aware of him being hateful or lecturing toward his daughter.
December 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm
CDP,
Our Founding Fathers invoked the name of God in forging our Constitution and forming our nation. We haven’t formed a theocracy. This started in the early 60’s when atheist Madelain O’Hare sued some school district. God has been gradually taken out or our schools and off the public square and our society has gradually drifted down towards the gutter. It all coincides with each other.
Benjamin Franklin: “Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants.” “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.” “Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature.”
Did Ben Franklin want a theocracy? No. Was he afraid that proclaiming God while framing the Constitution would lead to a theocracy? No. Would he be ashamed of what we are doing today to keep God out of everything? I think, Yes. We are a Christian nation, born on Christian principles, invoking the name of God. God has blessed this nation a hundred fold. We are treading on very dangerous ground by turning our backs to God. He can destroy a nation as easily as He can bless a nation.
We have no reason to fear a theocracy if we remain a Christian nation.
December 21st, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Incase my comment isn’t approved.
Willy, article 1, section 3, clause 4.
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote unless they be equally divided.
December 21st, 2008 at 7:43 pm
WFG,
Thanks. I must have jumped right over that. Maybe I need to have my eye glassed cleaned. Really, I don’t know how I missed that. Thanks again.
December 21st, 2008 at 7:48 pm
I suspect you probably focused on Article II exclusively, which is what I did at first. Then I Googled the subject a bit. No big deal.
December 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm
You know, that is what I did, now that you mention it. I was looking at Article II. Yea, no biggie.
Thanks again WFG.
Hey, gotta go. Have a good night.
December 21st, 2008 at 7:57 pm
CDP,
then how the heck can you get vanity plates with buddha, etc? And why should the atheists be allowed to put their garbage up? Next it is going to be crosses on the sides of the road, jesus fish on cars, we already have a dispute over the 10 commandments, which a LOT of our laws are based on.
You don’t want freedom of religion, you want to get rid of it in the public domain completely.
A ramadan display, whatever the heck that would be, would not offend me at all. Why should it? If I don’t believe in something it can’t hurt me, can it?
December 21st, 2008 at 8:13 pm
CDP,
I might pose a question. How do you feel about art that TRASHES christianity being on display in PUBLIC museums that are paid for with taxpayers money?
December 21st, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Good night, Willy. Welcome.
December 21st, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Willy: “We have no reason to fear a theocracy if we remain a Christian nation”
Do you understand the definition of theocracy?
Theocracy is a form of government in which a god or deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler. For believers, theocracy is a form of government in which divine power governs an earthly human state, either in a personal incarnation or, more often, via religious institutional representatives (i.e., a church), replacing or dominating civil government.
As far is this being a “Christian” nation the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:
The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.
Also here are some telling quotes from our founding fathers regarding religion.
“When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obligated to call for help of the civil power, it’s a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.”- Benjamin Franklin
“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” -James Madison
“Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.” ~ James Madison
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth. ~ Thomas Jefferson
“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between church and State…” -Thomas Jefferson
Why is it so important so wear your religion on your sleeve, and to use the tax dollars on non-Christian American citizens to prostilize your religion to them?
I think you fallow the teachings of the holy bible as stated in Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Best regards,
CDP
December 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm
T Mason,
The same way I feel about artwork that glorifies our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
It is the artist right to express themselves in whatever means they wish.
How did you feel about the Muslims getting upset over the Danish cartoon of Mohammad?
See tolerance is a two way street my friend
Best regards,
CDP.
December 21st, 2008 at 8:35 pm
CDP,
Matthew 28:19-20
Mark 16:15
You skip over the parts of the Bible that instruct Christians to spread the good news. How can you MAKE someone believe in something simply by having it out in the open? Are we a country full of zombies who blindly follow whatever carrot is placed in front of them, or can we all think for ourselves?
I am assuming you think you shouldn’t be able to pray in public based on the ONE scripture you chose?
December 21st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
T Mason:
“A ramadan display, whatever the heck that would be, would not offend me at all. Why should it? If I don’t believe in something it can’t hurt me, can it?”
So you would have no problem with a Santeria preist holding an animal sacrifice at he Public Park down the street from your house?
Best regards,
CDP
December 21st, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Holding a sacrifice and posting a “scene” are 2 different things. you are comparing apples to oranges there.
You either want freedom of expression which includes a nativity scene and other forms of religion, or you don’t want freedom of expression and freedom of speech.
Let the danish people worry about what goes on there, and I’ll worry about what goes on in my own country that threatens my freedom to practice/display my beliefs in public.
December 21st, 2008 at 8:46 pm
T. Mason:
“I am assuming you think you shouldn’t be able to pray in public based on the ONE scripture you chose?”
You should never assume anything, because you know what that makes us… ;-)
You can pray wherever you choose, as long as the government does not sponsor that prayer.
How would you feel if an Imam or a Rabbi led the prayer before the High School football game in your town?
What I am trying to get across to you is that the Government cannot support one religion over another.
If we do it for the Christians then we must offer the same for the Rastafarians.
See in the eyes of the Government their religion is just as valid as yours.
Best regards,
CDP
December 21st, 2008 at 8:59 pm
CDP,
I have been to sporting events where rabbis lead the prayer. Why then, is Rick Warren giving a prayer at Obama’s inaugeration?
Good golly miss molly, that is an example of the government sponsoring a religion. Rick Warren is a Christian, they are doing it in public on government property at the biggest government hoorah in 2009.
December 21st, 2008 at 9:01 pm
I believe in the separation of church & state,but these atheist need to go down 2 the mosque or synagogues & try their crap!Instead like bully’s,they take on a religious holiday that is all about tolerance…What are they trying 2 do,convert Christians into Atheist.I thought they believe in converting Nothing,Oxymoron’s,when you go after bully’s you become a Bully…
December 21st, 2008 at 9:09 pm
T Mason,
You do have a very good point there.
That is something that I do not understand, just like how the U.S. Senate is opened with a prayer.
But I have learned you have to pick your battles.
Phill.. Please just go away, I have neither the time nor patience for trolls like you. Can’t you see that T. Mason and I are having a civilized discussion here?
Best regards,
CDP
December 21st, 2008 at 9:45 pm
CDP THIS IS FIRST TIME,I READ YOUR POST.It just happen 2 be under a comment I posted.The Magic Word here is Comment.I never said T.Mason,Steve or anybody else having a civilized conversation?I could careless what you where talking about or 2 who,like I SAID I DON’T READ YOUR STUFF ANYWAY.I could careless what your time & patience is like.That’s 2 Much Information 4 Me!!Freedom of Speech/Love it or Leave it… I would like 2 Buy you 4 what your Worth?Then $ell you 4 what you Think your WORTH???Get a Life,and don’t worry about mine.Best regards
December 21st, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Phill,
I have learned many thing is this life and one of the most important is to “Never wrestle with a pig—you get dirty and the pig likes it”
Best regards,
CDP
December 21st, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Again, T. Mason. You brought it up so you name one good thing (only ONE) that Cheney has done (and again, torturing Muslims does not count as a “good” thing).
December 21st, 2008 at 10:51 pm
CDP nice quote…. made me laugh. Thanks.
December 21st, 2008 at 11:01 pm
The original comment explaining where Vice Presidential power is defined in the Constitution, has been approved. It contains sources, if anyone’s interested.
December 22nd, 2008 at 1:45 am
I believe Mason’s contending that if excluding religious expression is, or can be reasonably inferred as, an unconstitutional respecting of the included religion, singling out one religion for ridicule in a place funded by government, i.e., tax payers, implies the same sort of unconstitutional respecting of the religions not so derided.
She has an interesting argument, though the apparent partiality present in both cases is more relevant in the case of courts of law, since its existence is more detrimental to our right to a fair trial, whereas partiality in the other case is mainly of the personal offense variety, and can understandably be seen as an ethically improper use of tax payers’ dollars.
The greater difficulty in determining whereat there may be allowances for religious expressions, comes in deciding the propriety of Nativity scenes, and such, on open public lands, as allowing them does imply favoritism for Christianity, but not partiality of the kind which can be seen as evidence of probable corruption against non Christian persons, as is more likely the case if it and other Christian religious symbols are in courts of law, etc. But the opennesss of such scenes implies also cultural favoritism, not just religious, as it is promotional, by its very presence, of a single religion, hence the need for myriad religions to be represented, a task probably easier accepted than done. If the culture presents itself as Christian, those who are not, may respond by repressing themselves in order to not offend the apparent majority.
I don’t believe funding of museums by government or, as the source of government revenue, us, gives it carte blanche to prevent expressions of the “offensive” variety from being showcased in museums, as such places have the express purposes of being both places of historical learning, and of artistic expression, and are not placed into the nearly unavoidable view of some of the public, among which may be many person who are disapproving of the presence of Christian symbols on lands which they might well see as places where there should be neutrality on the matter of religion. Whether there should even be government/tax payer funding of museums is a matter I’m presently undecided on, though I lean in favor of it, mainly for the loss to our culture.
So long as government does not try to exlude art which speaks directly in favor of Christianity or in opposition to other religions, it, by not abusing the authority it assumes to be conferred upon it by virtue of its partial, even full, funding of museums, and by allowing the free expression of artists therein, does not violate the constitutional clause against respecting an establishment of religion. This is so because the free expression of the people, which may not also be assumed as the expression of government, superceeds any implied religious favoritism, or disfavoritism, implied by its allowance.
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:05 am
TDRO,
I didn’t bring it up. Someone before me said, name one good thing cheney did as VP. So, tit fo tat, name one good thing the last democrat vp did. And you can’t.
CDP,
How bout just letting people pray when they want to. If you choose not to pray then don’t. That is a choice. It is pretty hypocritical to tell the lowly middle class they can’t do it in public, but the darn president can have a prayer before his inaugeration.
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:08 am
So then, T.Mason, answer the question. Name one good thing Cheney did as VP. Just one.
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Well, let’s see. One good thing the last Democratic VP did?
Gore absolutely kicked Quayle’s and Stockdale’s butts in debate in 1992. He was a chief adviser to Bill Clinton’s administrations and played a role in that 8 years of success.
He played a major role in trimming bureaucratic waste, fraud and abuse in the White House.
Gore didn’t invent the Internet, but he promoted funding it (and other, major technological advances we take for granted today) and nurtured its development to the extent he might as well have.
He fought for this country’s environment.
And best of all– which is sorely lacking in the Cheney-Bush administration, he admitted his mistakes when he made them.
December 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 pm
[...] Much has already been written about Dick Cheney’s exit interview on Fox News Sunday, but this part is downright eerie. Cheney’s “highest moment” came on 9/11. When asked if it was also his lowest moment, Cheney offers a very unconvincing “Sure, yeah.” [...]
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Alan just heard you debating with Huck on the H&C show. You were dismissing Blago’s vulgar profanities by reminding Gov Huck about LBJ. What’s your point? That its okay for a crooked Democrat Gov to demean his office because a crooked Democrat POTUS did the same. Alan, you’re just not a very good debater.
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Gore, the environmentalist who flies around using tons of fuel leaving a HUGE carbon footprint (which is supposedly taboo) to inflate his ego.
Gore, the guy who was a sore loser
Gore, the guy who was known by the folks in his so called “home” state (TN won’t claim him by the way becuase his daddy screwed that state just like Gore did) so well he couldn’t carry it
Gore the guy who exhaled far too much in his debate against Bush
Gore, the guy who claimed he invented the internet much like Biden claimed FDR got on TV to talk to the country during the great depression
Gore, the guy who defended clinton even after the house impeached him (voting by party lines) and then clinton was acquited by the senate (party lines again)
gore was just another washington insider who, like most politicians in washington are out of touch with middle america.
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:57 pm
What words of wisdom could Dick Cheney possibly bestow upon Joe Biden? I can think of absolutely none.
The only thing Dick Cheney ever did for the American people was to endorse John McCain the week before the election. That was the kiss of death for the McCain campaign. Thanks,Dick!
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:23 am
I wish Dick Cheney well after he leaves office on January 20.
We sit here in the comfort of our own homes and all we know what goes on in our government is what we hear or read and then we decide which we will believe.
With the peaceful passing of the torch between administrations we must be very proud of our form of government. Every man is fallible. We all make our own mistakes.
We have no idea what Cheney will pass down to Biden, but there are things that he must know in order to do his job. There are things that the public should not know, at least at this time of war. That is not being secretive. That is being prudent.
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 am
Cheney, love him, hate him, indifferent to him (which is pretty much me), has been the most significant Vice President in American history.
Simply undeniable.
And why? Because the President trusted him. Cheney has been a Bush family friend for several decades. He’s more a Ford Republican (if there is such a thing) than a Reaganaut, like most GOPers. But W knew him, and trusted his judgment.
To paraphrase Cheney: If Joe Biden wants to diminish the office of the Vice President: Biden is just the man to do it.
The fact is, Obama doesn’t know Biden, obviously doesn’t trust Biden, and having kept him in seclusion for the last month of a successful campaign, he’s probably right in both respects.
Biden is a gaseous blowhard who’s been in the Senate since he was 30, who has had appointed a family friend seat filler for his Senate seat so, now that he’s veep, his son can take it in two years: Change? Oh please. Joe Kennedy did the same thing back in the 60’s: Had a family friend take a Mass. Senate seat so Teddy could reach 30 and inherit it. Now niece Caroline Kennedy, daughter of a Democrat President who vacated said Mass Senate seat, is going to take the Senate seat of the wife of a former Democrat President.
Is a pattern emerging here? Weird in it’s complexity — the Democrats are hardly the party of the people; just ask Blago — or Jesse Jackson JUNIOR (who oddly enough is a lot smarter than his gasbag fool of a father).
December 23rd, 2008 at 11:51 am
Kudos Pete and willy.
However, the democrats refuse to accept any responsibility for the wrongdoings of those who represent their party. Their answer to blago,biden, and kennedy are to refer back to their favorite idol of blame…george bush.
The democrats have not been the party for the people in a LONG time.
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Cheney’s biggest contribution to Bush’s presidency: He prevented any serious discussion of impeaching Bush. The prospect of a Cheney presidency was worse than keeping Bush.
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