Scientists Discover True Love
Brain scans show that some couples have as much passion twenty years into a relationship than in the first blush of love.
A team from Stony Brook University in New York scanned the brains of couples who had been together for 20 years and compared them with those of new lovers. They found that about one in 10 of the mature couples exhibited the same chemical reactions when shown photographs of their loved ones as people commonly do in the early stages of a relationship.
Previously, it was believed that love begin to fade at 15 months and that after 10 years all those good chemicals are gone. Now it is believed that the first stage of love, called limerence, can lead to a more mature level called “intensive companionship and sexual liveliness.” When a picture of one’s beloved is shown to a “swan”, someone in this mature phase of love, MRI scans show that pleasure-producing dopamine is created.
One pair of [the researcher's] swans are Billy and Michelle Jordon who, 18 years after they met, still make their friends envious. The couple, who live in Newport Beach, California, hold hands all the time. “It comes very naturally,” said Michelle, 59.
Lisa Baber, 40, and her husband David, 46, from Bristol, say they still feel the same frisson as when they got together 17 years ago.
“He was crazy and so exciting, he whisked me off my feet,” said Lisa. “That excitement is very much alive. We make sure our lives are always changing.”
So don’t give up hope. Or, if necessary, therapy.
PFKAM MARITAL ADVICE TO YOUNG MEN:
The sooner you surrender all decision making to your wife, the better off you’ll be. I did that around year 5 and I’m happy at year 20 (even though I’m a liberal).
Just be happy with a couch, a TV, some air conditioning, and a mall pretzel once in a while.
Also, never barbecue with your wife’s oven mitt. I did that yesterday and now I’m paying the price.
January 4th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I know where you can get a free oven mitt.
Sincerely,
Navin R. Johnson aka: The Jerk
January 4th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Hah!
Hey Craig Dude:
Thanks for the love on my I LOVE AMERICA post.
Mark
January 4th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
what a complete and utter waste of money and medical resources. why not do something useful, like scanning the brains of alzheimer’s patients, parkinson patients, stroke patients??
January 4th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
And here’s Blissful Conservative – trying to find a dark cloud among the silver lining.
January 4th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
The silver lining is, people who have been happily married for years already knew this. We could use our resources more effectively to combat real medical problems.
January 4th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
You mean like stem cell research?
January 4th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Mr. Blissful must be one lucky guy.
January 4th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
I am reminded of when Miss Sarah, during the VP debate. said, with scorn “the US wasted $250,000 on some scientists in France studying bugs, I kid you not!”
LMAO.
They were geneticists at the Louis Pasteur institue …
and the bugs were fruit flies, the staple of all genetic research…
Lol @ “..like stem cell research”. Exactly.
Anyway, fortunately the science is being done in more enlightened countries. Don’t worry, we’ll share. I do feel sorry for your medical community, hands tied by the religious right.
Hurry up jan. 20th
January 4th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
As I have posted here, our medical professionals are top notch compared to the debotchery in other countries.
January 4th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
BILSSFULCONSERVATIVE—Our medical folks maybe better than other countries, by overall, they still suck.
And the way the pharmacutical companies have the monopoly on healing so that natural remedies can’t be persued is a terrible thing.
There is a lot of research showing how probiotics, increased amounts of protein, fish oil, and cod liver oil have amazing beneficial properties. But, the pharmas won’t check into them, because they won’t make money on them, and the way the FDA has classified medicines and diseases, the folks in the natural cures business can barely get a foot in.
I’m not saying government health care is the answer. It would just be another fund for the politicians to raid, just like Social Security.
January 4th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Actually, alternative therapies are finally gaining popularity. As a nurse I have been telling patients for a long time the benefits of probiotics, soy, organic. the problem with herbs is they ineract with so many prescription drugs that it can be dangerous to combine the 2.
I kinda take it personally when you say our medical folks suck. I went through a 4 year bachelors program in nursing (most people do not know there is a difference between an AD RN, BS RN, and LPN and we actually had several nurses from other countries who came here. They had to take refresher courses because they were not up-to-date on the technology that we have here.
I am not saying there is problems, because it isn’t perfect. And I am not saying there are some bad apples, but there are a lot of good Dr.’s and nurses in this country who are overworked, underpaid, and underappreciated. I don’t think most people realize the liability nurses undertake with each shift, especially in emergency medicine (where I worked) and OB/GYN. We do not get paid for what we do.
January 4th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
I meant to say “i am not saying there isn’t problems” and “there aren’t some bad apples”
January 4th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
BILSSFULCONSERVATIVE—I didn’t mean to be personally offensive to you. Please accept my apology.
My mom is a nurse. I have an aunt who is also a nurse and is the primary administrator of a nursing home. Many of my great aunts were also nurses. I know there are some good people, and I know they have long hours, especially those in emergency rooms.
But between the stranglehold pharma seems to have on the industry and sue happy nature of our culture, it just seems there aren’t as many good doctors, and there aren’t as many who seem to care about the patient.
Not all are like that, but many are.
January 4th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
It wasn’t personally offensive. I just feel I have to defend the ones who are good at what they do, and the ones who do it for the right reasons…the patients :-)
January 4th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Mark: U betcha “Thanks for the love on my I LOVE AMERICA post.”
January 4th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
“”our medical professionals are top notch compared to the debotchery in other countries.”"
lol, And what countires are you referring to?
Germany (free care, no waithng times) France? (free care, little or no waiting times, day care in-nouse)
The UK (free car, some waiting times for non-life-threatening procedures/ help with transportation and housing costs for families)
You just don’t know what you’re atalking about.
And I find it hard to believe that anyone with a B.sc in nursing, which here in Canada includes science: biology, organic chemistry and genetics, could still spout off against evolution in favour of the “creationist” nonsense…
“NOTHING in biology makes any sense with creationism, nothing.” (Scientific American, 2008)
January 4th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
haha free care, no car…although that would cool!
January 4th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
And Medical doctors in those countries are the best in the world. They are well-paid, and have the freedom to treat EVERY patient, EVERY time for EVERY case.
Many US doctors have admitted that limitations on this can be soul-destroying.
But who can blame doctors from India, Pakistan, Asia, Barbadoes etc etc for flocking to the US for the ‘big money’!
lol
January 4th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Bad,
I don’t know why you are surprised that someone with higher education is a person of faith. Science and faith can co-exist.
wait time in France
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article1751520.ece
women wait months for LAB RESULTS in Quebec
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/12/30/mtl-pap-test-delays-1230.html
Canada http://www.northernlife.ca/News/LocalNews/2008/alc311208003.asp?NLStory=alc311208003again
in 2006 thousands of german dr’s went on strike, halting surgeries to demand better pay and less government involvement
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/332/7552/1234-d
January 4th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
ERIC’S MARITAL ADVICE TO YOUNG MEN:
Don’t marry a woman unless you would jump in front of a bus for you, literally. Too many of us grab up the first catch or the ‘trophy’ girl. These women often don’t view you as anything but their ‘guy right now’ because they are told by society they are the cream of the crop. Well they are not. Women who would sacrifice everything for love are the ‘cream’ and they are not always shaped like barbie dolls. So if you like heartache and feeling like an idiot then date and marry women who care more about their shoes than they do about your happiness.
January 4th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
“Actually, alternative therapies are finally gaining popularity. As a nurse I have been telling patients for a long time the benefits of probiotics, soy, organic. the problem with herbs is they ineract with so many prescription drugs that it can be dangerous to combine the 2. BlisfulC”
Ever heard of adaptagens? Like rhodiola (rosea & sacra)?
I took this recently as a supplement and found it increased bloodflow to my limbs and brain like a yoga rountine would do, perhaps better. I was recently musing that ADD suffers (my lil’ sis) would be helped by this as aconcentration aid. I have lots of weird herbal remedies that I have tried and some are quite dangerous for some and safe for others. I wonder if you’ve heard anything good / bad on adaptagens?
Also it seems to stimulate the … sexual areas … while increasing bloodflow. Maybe we should all try some next time we have some alone time with some special.
January 4th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Actually Bils, I took a few moments to read those links.
Did I see a blanket condemnation of our national health care system as being a “failure” as you’ve desribed it?
No I didn’t. I saw articles about problems that arise in ANY hospital system, especially in areas that become a boom town for pensioners and retirees. And reading through the articles, I then read about SOLUTIONS that are being proposed and implemented.
Our system is not without problems, of course, even Germany with the highest ranked in the world will have problem for pete’s sake. But I can’t get into a p*ssing contest about anectdotal stories of bed shortages etc.
Having to travel to a nrighbouring city for your FREE health care, or waiting a few weeks for your NON-EMERGENCY treatment may be a major inconvenience I’m sure…but it beats what millions of americans are faced with down there, and you know it.
Anyway, Neither of us will ever change our opinion I guess. I know I won’t. There are very few things that I would fight for (Toppling dictators in foreign lands is not one, there are too many of them!)
But our health care, that ’socialist system’ as you ridiculously refer to it as, (oddly), keeps me and my loved ones, and my friends and countrymen healthy, no matter their socio-economic class…THAT I’d fight for, you bet.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter, the point is moot. You’re getting all your citizens covered by insurance, and you own costs for the same care you have now lowered.
Poor you?
I just don’t get it…
lol
January 4th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
We in the United States have Medical Insurance System that makes a profit by denying Health Care. Doctors and nurses are Overworked and Underpaid because so many take a cut of the pie. Look at all the New Medical building costs that had to be paid in the rush to merge and grow. I bet those Medical Insurance Companies have the Golden Gurney. Well, the Medical Care Bubble is about to burst and I suspect, like the Auto Workers, the Nurses will need to take a Cut in Pay and just be glad they still have a job! I was a bit upset that my favorite Female doctor had a two month waiting list the last time I wanted to see her. But when your good, Your good. I’m just glad I don’t have to be seen down south. Now there are some horror Medical stories I’ve heard! Of course we have the Mayo Clinic Here. We rule!
January 4th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Careful, Eric.
I wouldn’t be asking Blissful for medical advice. She has special prescriptions for liberals.
Mark
January 5th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Deborah,
The reason you have to wait to see your down south doc is dr’s don’t want to go into Ob/GYN because of the high probability of lawsuits.
If nurses have to make any less, there will be a healthcare crisis because the vast majority will QUIT. Do you have any idea how much a nurse makes(it is regional, but not that different) after 4 years of college with a Bachelors Degree? try 18.73/hour or 23.53 if you want to work nights/weekends. Granted there are some travel jobs, per diem jobs with hospitals who are desperate that make $30/hour or sometimes a little more.
You want to cut nursing pay? Are you crazy?
There is a HUGE HUGE difference between health insurance and healthcare. You can’t lump them into one group.
January 5th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Eric,
I have heard of adaptagens and know that they help adrenal glands that are zapped. Essentially they reduce the production of stress hormones from the adrenal gland.
The two I know of are schizandra berries and eleuthero root.
I have not personally dealt with a pt. who is taking these.
January 5th, 2009 at 10:08 am
“”If nurses have to make any less, there will be a healthcare crisis because the vast majority will QUIT”"
I agree that nurses in the US are underpaid.
In a “for-profit” health system, just like any other industry, wages are a huge drain on the bottom line for share-holders, as well as direct competition for other piggies at the teat…
The CEO for United Health Group, William McGuire, for instance, who in 2006 took home just under $160,000,000.00 US dollars. Of course the shareholders should be outraged at this as well!
No worries though. Your ‘for-profit’ HMO, desperate to keep profits maximized, and your insurance company, just as desperate…are actively recruiting nurses from the Carribean, India and the third world.
These nurses are desperate for a chance to support their families and will be happy to work for minimum wage…especially if accomodations are provided by the hostpital (Yep).
That will help hard-working Americans, like Edwin Crawford from Caremark, who raked in just under a cool $100,000,000.00…
I mean, you always say in America, work hard and succeed…I guess nurses earning under $40,000 just don’t work hard enough, is that it?
Lol
January 5th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Working hard doesn’t change wages. How very fitting that you find it amusing that folks on the front lines in healthcare who save YOUR butt when you come in with a coronary do not get paid what they are worth.
My last job was with a not-for-profit catholic hospital working 12 hour night shifts in the ER and my wages were the same there as the big time for-profit level one trauma center 7 miles away.
You do realize that under socialized healthcare there are salary caps placed on physicians and nurses, and there are a lot of physicians in some systems who are leaving if they don’t get better pay.
And nurses here in the U.S. are getting the same sweet deals you mentioned, travel nursing. Your apartment, etc are all paid for by the agency…but I already mentioned that in my post above.
ONe of the main reasons there is a nursing shortage is lack of faculty to teach classes, and lack of funding at the collegiate level to hire new faculty. When I was in nursing school there were over 400 applicants for 30 slots, the average gpa for those of us who got accepted 3.5, the lowest 3.3. There are strict mandates on how many students you can have per professor in a clinical setting. To sum it up, the root problem with the nursing shortage is lack of faculty to teach new nurses, and low pay once you get in the profession.
there is no simple solution, and you certainly don’t have all the answers.
January 5th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I work in a nursing home. D.O.N. makes over 30 an hr. Nurses that run a unit RPN,s around 26 an hr. LPN 21 to 19 an hr. That,s not counting OT. My wife is a CNA makes 13 something working 3rd shift. We are having a healthcare crisis. Short of staff 24/7. Nurses not filling out paper work caused my job to suspend services till March and staffing issues are 1 of the biggest concerns. Not all nurses are bad. Most are good nurses. The turnover rate is crazy for the nursing dept. For healthcare in HSKP,DIETARY as well in keeping help. I am lucky to be working for knowing the building i work in. The fat cats running healthcare have no ideal how the trenches are. I call it a fastfood service for humans. The company i work for now i don,t like and they cut money instead of spending money for quality care. It,s a profit business 24/7.
January 5th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
…some couples have as much passion twenty years into a relationship than in the first blush of love…
…about one in 10 of the mature couples exhibited the same chemical reactions when shown photographs of their loved ones as people commonly do in the early stages of a relationship.
ONE IN 10?? So what does that say about the other 9 out of 10? What is the point of this post? That 90% of married couples are in passionless relationships?
This is as brilliant as the study that showed that boys were just as much to blame for teenage pregnancy as girls.
January 5th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
“”You do realize that under socialized healthcare there are salary caps placed on physicians and nurses…?”
I can’t really agree to this, OR disagree, BILS.
The reason being that the term “socialized healthcare” is a meaningless perjorative term used by American proponents of for profit sytems, and it’s a term that is not used by health care professionals anywhere in the world.
Mostly Faux News and Rush Limbaugh.
It is slightly amusing, though, to hear you first say that nurses are grossly underpaid, ( and then when I agree, you suddenly change your mind and brag about how good they have it in the US, and everyone’s coming there to work!
Lol
I will agree that the US has no qualms with draining much-needed health-care professionals from the third world to fill it’s underpaid positions…
I’ve never heard someone defend a system that is so awful, unfair and scandalous as the juggernaut of profit that is the US health industry…
January 5th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Some areas in South Eastern KY ,pay 8 an hr. for LPN and around 12 for an RPN per hour. House keepers and dietary workers start off even lower. I agree with you BADMRFROSTY. I work in a nursing home. I agree with MASON to a degree. Nursing is underpaid and over worked. Like i said in my last post,the reason the nursing home i work in was shut down due to some nurses not doing their paper work. Fat Cats of my company stop services to keep their pockets filled. They run the budgets. It is a fast food service for human beings.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:38 am
liberals continue to amaze me, and sicken me! have you ever heard the term ”old time conservative values”? have you ever heard the the term “”old time liberal values”?. no, you havent, because they dont exist. read about the 50,s, when those conservative values were in place, when people could leave their doors unlocked and children were brought up with values, and love of god and respect. then the liberals took over in the 60,s and our country has gone to hell ever since.rapes are up, murders are up, crime is up. its all because of you bleeding heart liberals who want to change everything this country was founded on. you believe in abortion. if your mother believed in abortion, you wouldnt be here! you believe in gays. if your dad was gay, you wouldnt be here! dont you get it!!.you are trying to change human nature and what our founding fathers believed in. i hope you drown in the blood that comes from your bleeding heart!!
January 6th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Don,
You mean values like trashing gays, then tapping around in men’s rooms, or values like defending marriage while being on your third, or with hookers.
Or do you mean values like trashing people who lost three limbs in war, like Max Cleland?
Do you ever think that YOUR hatred for freedom and the values held dear by the founders sicken people?
It truely was for you, (not other conservatives on this site), that Darrow said:
“The world is made up for the most part of morons and natural tyrants, sure of themselves, strong in their own opinions, never doubting anything.”
Clarence Darrow
*My deepest apologies if you are under 10 years old.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Don,
you believe in gays.
You don’t believe there are gay people?
if your dad was gay, you wouldnt be here!
Not necessarily true. In the past, when there was even less acceptance of homosexuality than today, gay men often married and had kids out of societal pressure. I can’t imagine that those marriages were particularly entertaining for either the man or the woman. And of course it still goes on today, to a lesser extent.
dont you get it!!
Get what? That you blame all modern day problems on ‘liberals’? Yea, I get that.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:23 am
DON,those values in the 50,s had me using a seperate water fountain. Going to the back door getting a sandswich from a resturant. No thanks to 50 style values that dixiecrats honor that is main part of the GOP.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
No thanks to the racism, xenophobia, false Cold War and religious ingnorance of the 1950’s.
The only thing I will agree with Don on, is that the period after WW2 was, for all its problems, a golden age of bipartisanship. More R’s and D’s voted their conscience then that at any time before or since.
In fact, BOTH parties had recognized that (Hoover)/FDR’s policies of equality had been a boon for Americans. Wage freezes during the war had encouraged employers to offer other incentives that WEREN’T frozen, such as pensions and health insurance.
The safety net of social security and job-seekers’ allowance (UI) etc etc drastically boosted the mood of the workforce, and productivity boomed to an all-time high! The average CEO made only 40 times more than the avwerage employee. It was considered un-American. and bad for workplace morale, for managers to be too much more than hard-working laboureres. More, yes, but not grossly more.
But, yes, it was the racism of the south and the undue influence of the church, and the burgeoning neo-conservative movement that brought it all to a slow halt.
You can thank the neo-cons and cgristian fundamentalists who finally elected Reagan and then Bush for ending the relative parity of wealth enjoyed during the 50” and 60’s. Clinton tried to rectify it but his hands were tied by Congress.
Now the CEOS make many hundereds of times the wage of their workers…managers enjoy better health care, much higher salaries, the unions have been ‘busted’ by the neo-cons and the wealthy are running away with the whole pie!
All because the wealthy neo-cons used the Replublican party to implement policy to their advantage, all the while convincing America that the “important issues” were gay marriage, creationism and abortion.
They don’t care who you marry, who made who in who’s image. and abortions are GREAT for Washington mistresses!
Wake up people.
Oh yeah, you did….go Obama!
January 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
No thanks to the racism, xenophobia, false Cold War and religious ingnorance of the 1950’s.
The only thing I will kinda agree with Don on, is that the period after WW2 was, for all its problems, a golden age of bipartisanship. More R’s and D’s voted their conscience then that at any time before or since.
In fact, BOTH parties had recognized that (Hoover)/FDR’s policies of equality had been a boon for Americans. Wage freezes during the war had encouraged employers to offer other incentives that WEREN’T frozen, such as pensions and health insurance.
The safety net of social security and job-seekers’ allowance (UI) etc etc drastically boosted the mood of the workforce, and productivity boomed to an all-time high! The average CEO made only 40 times more than the avwerage employee. It was considered un-American. and bad for workplace morale, for managers to be too much more than hard-working laboureres. More, yes, but not grossly more.
At least I think that’s what he meant about the good ole days of the 50’s. :-)
But, yes, it was the racism of the south (including southern Democrats), the undue influence of the church, and the burgeoning neo-conservative movement that brought it all to a slow halt.
You can thank the neo-cons and christian fundamentalists who finally elected Reagan and then Bush for ending the relative parity of wealth enjoyed during the 50” and 60’s. Clinton tried (only a little!)to rectify it but his hands were tied by Congress.
Now the CEOS make many hundereds of times the wage of their workers…managers enjoy better health care, much higher salaries, the unions have been ‘busted’ by the neo-cons and the wealthy are running away with the whole pie!
All because the wealthy neo-cons used the Replublican party to implement policy to their advantage, all the while convincing America that the “important issues” were gay marriage, creationism and abortion.
They don’t care who you marry, who made who in who’s image. and abortions are GREAT for Washington mistresses!
Wake up people.
Oh yeah, you did….go Obama!
January 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Hmm
Like I’m not long-winded enough already, I gotta D-post!?
Hey GoCards, thanx for that post mate.
peace
January 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Wow talk about getting off topic. Did some body pee in Don Wheaties this morning?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Off-topic indeed, GET
Sorry mate, just saw that I’ve been making speeches on the ‘tru-love’ thread, heh heh
xo, then!
January 6th, 2009 at 3:59 pm