Would Sarah Palin Like Some Cheese With Her Whine?
It was all the media’s fault.
Or so Sarah Palin seems to say in an interview with right-wing filmmaker John Ziegler for a documentary on what he calls “media malpractice.”
As Politico reports, Gov. Palin sees herself as a victim of that mythical political bogeyman, the “Mainstream Media.” She thinks the MSM promoted its own self-interests at her expense:
“What is it that drives someone to believe the worst and perpetuate the worst in terms of gossip and lies? … I did see that Tina Fey was named entertainer of the year and Katie Couric’s ratings have risen. And I know that a lot of people are capitalizing on, oh I don’t know, perhaps some exploiting that was done via me, my family, my administration. That’s a little bit perplexing, but it also says a great deal about our society.”
Palin also sees herself as a victim of the McCain campaign, because they wouldn’t let her drop out of the Couric interviews:
“I knew it didn’t go well the first day, and then we gave her a couple of other segments after that. And my question to the campaign was, after it didn’t go well the first day, why were we going to go back for more? And because of however it works in that upper echelon of power brokering in the media and with spokespersons, it was told to me that, yeah, we are going to go back for more. And going back for more was not a wise decision either.”
More self-pity can be seen here:
She drew BIGGER crowds than McCain.
McCain is why McCain didn’t get elected.
20% of conservatives DIDN’T vote for[ maverick] McCain.
[its just as well].
January 8th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Alan, did you really post this? Were you completely blind to the obvious MSM agenda over the last two years?
I’ll point you to this study by rasmussen polls:
“Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of election campaigns. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that four times as many-68%–believe most reporters try to help the candidate that they want to win.”
This has been the most documented lopsided journalistic coverage EVER! She definitely has a leg to stand on here. Even you, Alan, yes you, are guilty of raking her over the coals for irrelevant issues such as her daughter having a baby. What sort of “raking over the coals” did you do with Obama?
January 8th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Can anyone tell me what “tough” questions did Katie Couric asked Sarah Palin?
January 8th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Her underage unmarried daughter having a baby is irrelevant to a polititian who espouses abstinence only programs? Nonsense!!
January 8th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
So, now Palin is responsible for daughter having sex. Last time I checked, we make our own beds. Of course, it was a bit embarrassing, but was irrelevant to the campaign.
January 8th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Her underage unmarried daughter having a baby is irrelevant to a polititian who espouses abstinence only programs? Nonsense!!
Yes, it is irrelevant. Totally. Completely. Not to mention cruel. I doubt Palin’s daughter has any influence on what political positions her mother takes.
The girl is in a tough spot, give her a break folks.
January 8th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Don’t you just love a good pity party – ya betcha
January 8th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Parents are responsible for their minor children. Yes indeed.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Responsible for feeding, clothing, etc. but absolutely not responsible for what they do. Sometimes all you can do is try to raise your child right, but the decisions they make are their own, especially if the decisions they make may be life altering.
Would a parent be responsible for his/her 17 y/o child killing someone else? I don’t think so.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Yeah she WOULD whine. Don’t forget that her party repossessed the clothes she bought for the campaign, clothes bought in high fashion boutiques for mega bucks, all this while people in America were losing their jobs and have their salaries frozen while everything else goes up. Her little folksy act and ” you betchas” wore thin quickly and the ironic thing is that SNL didn’t need to parody her as what she did and said was laughable enough.
My worry about Palin is that she is part of a sect of Christianity that, if they had their way, would make the Bible the only law of the land and people like me would suffer. Dominion Now theology. She’s part of a group called Jacob’s Army that has Dominionist leanings. I can believe that she actually thinks humans walked with dinosaurs. In some ways she makes Dan Quayle look intelligent. But I am glad McCain/Palin didn’t win the election. McCain was bad enough as the war vet who voted against veterans benefits.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Parents are responsible for their minor children. Yes indeed.
The age of consent in Alaska is 16. So can you leave Palin’s daughter alone now?
January 8th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Oh sure, a parent who’s 17 year old child was a murder would not find that a hinderance in his/her attempt to become Vice President? You’d clain that was irrelevent too and vote for him/her? I’d have second thoughts.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Oh sure, a parent who’s 17 year old child was a murder would not find that a hinderance in his/her attempt to become Vice President?
That’s as great an argument as those who bring up pedophilia and bestiality when discussing gay marriage.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
What does pedophilia, bestiality and gay marriage have to do with being a Vice Presidential nominee?
January 8th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
What does pedophilia, bestiality and gay marriage have to do with being a Vice Presidential nominee?
Nothing. Just like the sex life of a young woman who is not running to be Vice President has nothing to do with a VP nominee. (though I believe you are being purposefully obtuse, a debating tactic I often use myself)
January 8th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Ok, you’re all over the place HOPE…
The murderer comment was in response to your question about a parent being responsible for the actions of their children…not about whether or not I thought that would be a disqualifier for running for public office.
Let’s get back to the debate at hand…whether Palin is justified in saying the media’s coverage of the election was biased. I say absolutely…
January 8th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Let’s get back to the debate at hand…whether Palin is justified in saying the media’s coverage of the election was biased. I say absolutely…
I agree. There was definitely media bias w/ Palin. It was disgusting to see the way Hannity fawned over her, lobbing softball after softball.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Palin’s daughter and her pregnancy are certainly off limits! However,all the other insanity is definitely worthy of some measure of concern. Palin is now attempting to blame the McCain campaign for her failures. She should have known that she did not have the basic knowledge for the position. The reason she did not do well in the interviews was her lack of knowledge. Note, I did not say lack of intelligence. But, once again she was overwhelmed with her own self importance, thinking she could pull off the interviews with bluster and BS.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
The point about Palin’s daughter is that Sarah Palin made herself out to be this moral pro-family type, which BTW usually includes the naive “chastity” pledges of abstinence ” education” her fellow Conservatives are all hot for ( pardon the pun). Her teenage daughter’s pregnancy is only one of a number of Palin problems which include instances where she might have abused her governmental influence.
Granted her daughter showed a serious lack in judgment in having premarital sex which, OC lead to pregnancy. Instead of using this to discuss seriously the problems of teenage mothers, prenatal care and the necessity of programs like Head Start and WIC, Palin decided to in effect hush this up.
As for the asinine question of ” why doers pedophila, beastiality and gay marriage have to do with being a Vice Presidential nominee”, the deliberate adding of gays to two criminal sexual perversions shows the ignorance of the one making the connection. Both child molesters and people who have sex with animals involve forcing themselves on their victims. Gay marriage is between two CONSENTING adults.
Also the question is hypocritical, as when Clinton was President a lot was made of his alleged sexual activity. The Starr Report was full of lurid details about Clinton’s heterosexual activity with Monica Lewinsky, who even kept a dress wits semen stains on it (( ew!!)) When it’s someone you don’t like, the sex angle is important. But when it’s one of your own, golly gee, the sexual indescretions stuff is no one’s business..
January 8th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
I can’t speak for anybody else but for me the most flattering of media coverage would not have gotten her my vote. I do agree that her daughter’s pregnancy is a non issue and needs to be dropped. I just don’t agree with her politics. Shouldn’t that be the relevant topic when deciding who to vote for, not some family drama that could happen to anyone with a kid?
January 8th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
The Mccain campaign did fail. Every politician is full of bluster and BS, it just depends on how well you can shove the BS and still come out smelling like a rose.
She was not prepared for her interview. Does that mean she wouldn’t have made a good VP. Who knows? But I am tired of this crap being brought up. The darn election is over, yet we still have to analyze and over analyze and re-analyze everything?
I am ticked off that people still bring up her children. If she were a democrat that would have never been allowed. PERIOD. I remember folks on this very board making crude comments about palin, her daughter, her son, making fun of the children’s names, their intelligence etc. It was disgusting, and it is still disgusting.
I find it alarming that so many trashed her daughter, and her family, and blamed her (palin) for the pregnancy? How many young women are going through this? A lot.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Frankly, I think that the media WANTED to like Palin, but she DIDN’T demonstrate an interest or knowledge in foreign affairs, or economics, and she DIDN’T know the names of news sources, and she DID try to say that Alaska’s proximity to Russia counted as foreign policy experience, and she DID push for the bridge to nowhere, while claiming to be against it, and she WAS the earmark queen while claiming she would fight earmarks.
Does fair and balanced mean that if one candidate is inquisitive and well informed, they have to cover up that the other is not?
January 8th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Sarah…please….for the love of God…………just….go….away.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
The point about Palin’s daughter is that Sarah Palin made herself out to be this moral pro-family type, which BTW usually includes the naive “chastity” pledges of abstinence ” education” her fellow Conservatives are all hot for ( pardon the pun).
Her daughter was over the age of consent, it really wasn’t Palin’s call. If I had kids, I am quite certain I would have an abstinence only policy with them – if my daughter became pregnant, I really don’t see how that would be relevant to my running for political office. Heck, I’ve even heard of a case or two of people who have been educated on the use of condoms becoming pregnant (it’s true! look it up!)
Palin was unfit for national office because she was completely clueless, not because she didn’t want her daughter to have premarital sex and yet her daughter (who again, was over the age of consent) had a (presumably) unplanned pregnancy.
It isn’t fair to Palin, and much more importantly – it’s not cool to add to the pressures the young woman was/is going through.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Old,
obama is the king of earmarks.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Sarah Palin was the Republican Party’s puppet. She did what they wanted her to do and failed miserably because of her lack of capacity for the spotlight. She was incrediby unprepared and it definitely showed. Sometimes I felt sorry for her, but it was not the media’s fault that she was uninformed. It was her own and I’m sure the American voter didn’t make their candidate’s choice based on Sarah Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy, so she needs to quit this whining and just take it, learn from it, and move on to a more informed future.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
“What sort of “raking over the coals” did you do with Obama?”
Posted by Jared (I) – Texas
Believe me. Obama got more than his share of “raking”. Remember Rev. Wright? How about Bill Ayres? Remember when they accused him of attending a Madrassa? Or that he’s Muslim (like that’s reprehensible)? Or that he’ a terrorist? How about how he “pals around with terrorists”? Or that he’s not an American citizen?
Remember when he gave his wife what the media called the “terrorist fist jab”? Let’s not forget Rush’s favorite song “Barack the magic negro”. I could go on and on and on…..
January 8th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
The reason why people continue to analyze the Palin side show is because she continues to seek the limelight. Once again, she should have had the insight to realize that it was all above her. The mere fact that she didn’t know that she did not have the knowledge for the job speaks volumns. Thank God it became evident to the American people.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I don’t know the numbers on Obama and earmarks, but he didn’t campaing against them.
My main point is that these are the reasons I think didn’t support Sarah Palin.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
The only thing I remember about Rev Wright and Bill Ayers was that the MSM gave him a pass on both. The only news source that I remember getting to the meat of either one of those two people was Fox (as much as I hate to say it). The rest of your list was just conjured up nonsense that was dismissed in a matter of days.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
If Obama had lost, would you say the job was above him?
January 8th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Bravo TDRO! Thank you for pointing out ALL the Obama rakings! We had to listen to that not a citizen for months. What about Palin’s demeaning comments about Obama’s job as a community organizer, as if that is a job to be ashamed of. It was all the lies, demeaning remarks,and sarcasm that turned off the voters. I ask anyone, did you ever hear Obama say petty demeaning remarks about Palin’s jobher husband’s association with that wacko Alaskan party, or anything concerning her. The answer is no. The American people spoke, and she lost.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
TDRO
Hillary Clinton’s campaign was the first to claim he attended a madrassa in 2007
There were questions about his birth certificate
He was listed as a muslim at school
He sat in Rev Wright’s church for over 20 years
EVen Ayers said AFTER the election there was more to the relationship than just “knowing of each other”. And Ayers was a domestic terrorist and he is a creep.
Funny how you call all that raking him(obama) over the coals, but we are simply getting down to whether or not palin was qualified when she is treated the same.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Susan’
Her remarks about him being a community organizer because……”she is only a governor from Alaska?”
January 8th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
I am over all of this. There is nothing being discussed here that I have not already heard adnausium.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Sarah Palin will become a thorn in the side to the R party just the way Ann Coulter has become a pain in the neck to them. The R party is looking at the TX gov and the LA gov to be the next star. They’re over Sarah Palin.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Agreed Placefield, Palin’s a thing of the past. She needs to get over it and plan better for the future if you wants to proceed and that’s that. Conservatives will continue blaming the “Elitist Media” and never admit that the president-elect was chosen fairly. You’re right. It’s time to just ignore this theme. It’s getting way too old.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
but we are simply getting down to whether or not palin was qualified
She was most definitely not qualified. We already have had one disaster of a president who doesn’t read newspapers – we didn’t need to set ourselves up for the possibility of another.
Her deer in the headlights look on all interviews not spoon fed to her had me cringing and feeling sorry for her. Not the vibe I want to get from someone a heartbeat away…
January 8th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
I guess we’ll see over the next 4 years if obama is as qualified as so many claim
January 8th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
If Obama had lost I would not have said the job was above him. That is because when I listened to him speak what I heard was an organized, intelligent, knowledgable,calm, well spoken, candidate. When I listened to Sarah Palin what I heard was someone who obviously lacked knowledge,seemed disorganized in her thought process,seemed defensive when asked a question she couldn’t answer. These are not things that I look for in a candidate.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
[...] • Alan weighs in on the pity partythat was Sarah Palin’s latest interview. [...]
January 8th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
No: Her sarcastic remark was as follows:”Well, I guess a community organizer is something like a mayor of a small town except a mayor has real responsibilities.”
January 8th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
I listened to Rush for awhile today. I see he is starting a new campaign today. He is inviting folks to listen to him for six weeks and he will win them over to his way of thinking. He claims most people in the country embrace his way of thinking. If this was true there would be more R’s in positions. The right wingers are looking pretty hard at the upcoming 2010 elections. I think most folks throughout the country are looking pretty hard at the economy and their wallets.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Yes, I guess we will see after four years. When things turn out to be hunky dory will all the remaining Cons. on this site disappear? Like most did after the election.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
I listened to Rush for six months last winter and I still think he needs to go back to his pill bottles.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Rush gives me a kick. His way of thinking will never win me over, but he’s pretty hilarious. Mark Levin on the other hand is the epitamy of neocon radicalism. Crazy mothereffer.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Rush is the Howard Stern of the right. His job is to amuse the left and whip the right into a conservative frenzy.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
The GOP can run Sarah Palin in 2012 if they want, but I don’t think they will make that mistake. Shem and her fundamentalist big “C” christian “values” are just not suited for the new improved America.
Believe in god all you want Ms, Palin, that’s fine, but the world is now entering the second great ‘Age of Enlightenment”. God is one thing – a ‘creator’ of the Big Bang, no peop;lblem…but all this hooey about Adam and eve, and Noah and the flood, the earth being 6000 years old…c’mon.
NO-ONE with any sense can possibly believe this is anything more that metaphor, written centuries ago by men who feared death, the unknown, thunder and lightning etc etc….
And so, America moves on. People believe in science, people want to live and let live…no-one cares if you’re gay or not. Zygotes are not ‘people’
The “Frenchmen using US grants to study bugs in France, I kid you not!” that Miss Sarah scornfully referred to were genticists at the Lous Pastuer Institute in Paris who, of course, use fruit-fly DNA for important research, as do all geneticists. What a silly and ignorant young lady she is to have made that rediculous comment.
How about my favorite, when Miss Sarah heaped scorn on the 3 million dollar grant for “some men in Montana to examine bear droppings!”
Can you believe the ignorance? This is the Grizzly Bear project where Zoologists use dung to extract DNA to identify unique animals to get accurate counts for population studies, habitat preservation, territorial habits etc etc…in order to try to precent the extinction of this noble species at the top of the food chain!!
Unbelievable!
Go back to your church Sarah, and pray for an IQ, and then come see us…
January 8th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
The only thing I remember about Rev Wright and Bill Ayers was that the MSM gave him a pass on both.
You are out of your mind.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Anyone with any fairness in them could see the media bias against Sarah Palin. You have to be intellectually honest with yourself. She makes a comment about seeing Russia from Alaska and she is pilloried and made fun of by the mainstream media and their friends.
Joe Biden says that FDR talked to America on television in 1929 during his Presidency and hardly even a peep from the msm.
This is JUST one example. Put simply, the msm never liked Sarah. They were very upset that John McCain didn’t leave them a hint who he was selecting. The msm felt betrayed by McCain because of “springing” her upon them with no warning.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Ya know, I would assume that well read people who kept up with day to day events would know by now that many are coming out and talking about the death of journalism in 2008.
It isn’t a fabrication, it actually happened. The MSM has NEVER EVER backed a candidate with such fiercity as they did obama.
Not a criticism but a question now. Has any president elect ever so many press conferences before taking office as obama? Maybe they did and I didn’t notice, or maybe not.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Blissful, I cannot remember any President-elect getting this much attention and this many press conferences and I can remember all the way back to President-elect Nixon.
There is a love affair with Obama in the mainstream media. They are not even trying to hide it. Outrageous!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
ya know, I just thought of something ya know.
the different ways the press has, ya know, treated caroline kennedy compared to , ya know, sarah palin
Ya know, if palin had said ya know over 200 times in ONE interview, ya know it would have been front page news.
You betcha
January 8th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Ya know Blissful, you are ya know right. Ya know, Sarah Palin would ya know be the ya know laughing stock of ya know the ya know mainstream media ya know.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Sorry Willy, But I thought the MSM LOVEC her till they couldn” cover for her anymore.
I think the difference between the 2 examples, was Biden did not keep insisting like Sarah Palin kept insisting Alaska/Russia was foreign policy experience.
One was a detail, from long ago, and the other showed a basic fundamental lack of judgment.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Spelling problems must be contajes!
January 8th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
I don’t remember Sarah continually insisting that as foreign policy and I followed the campaign very closely.
One was from a politician who has been in Washington 30 years and the other was from a governor of the largest state in the union. The thing here is the double standard that Sarah had compared to Obama/Biden. What kind of judgement did Obama show on the Russian/Georgian conflict?
January 8th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Must be your keyboard Lefty.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
I WISH it was my keyboard, Willy.
I fear it’s my brain.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
I think Obama showed fine judgment considering he was not in a position to DO anything.
I don’t care if one has been in Washington for thirty years,if their judgment is flawed, and a governship doesn’t mean anything.
For me, an interest in the world and seeking out that knowledge, is a basic prerequisite.
Palin demonstrated years of neglect in that area.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Biden has had years in Washington. Sarah is basically new to the game. Obama is new to the game. He came out with three different and conflicting statements on the Georgian crisis. That does not show leadership, and a President cannot afford to have such conflicting statements on such important matters.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Blaming the keyboard Lefty, kinda takes the pressure off blaming oneself. lol
You could blame your fingers I guess.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
FROSTY – OUCH! It’s one thing to question, or demean someone because of their political or social beliefs, but quite another to criticize someone because of what they believe spiritually. Your post was EXTREMELY critical and personally attacked not only Palin but the rest of the people in the world who believe there is a God. I can let slide attacks on political or social beliefs, but you’ll never get a free pass from me for attacking something so sacred to so many people.
I’ll ask you in what ways you think this is the new and improved America that there is no room for God and biblically based moral callings. The Bible, believe in the stories or not, is chock full of applicable lessons. The Golden Rule? from the Bible – Killing is murder? the Bible. Stealing is wrong? the Bible. etc, etc, etc, etc. What do you think modern social law is based upon? Science? forget about it!
And what, exactly, do you believe? Is there a spiritual side to you?
January 8th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
“Hillary Clinton’s campaign was the first to claim he attended a madrassa in 2007″
So what if he did? That’s a non story. I attended a Catholic school
“There were questions about his birth certificate”
Which has been disproven. Get over it.
“He was listed as a muslim at school”
Again, so what? Do you have a problem with Muslims?
“He sat in Rev Wright’s church for over 20 years”
Non story. They blew it out of proportion
“EVen Ayers said AFTER the election there was more to the relationship than just “knowing of each other”. And Ayers was a domestic terrorist and he is a creep.”
He’s currently a great humanitarian. What he did 20 years ago is of no consequence.
I agree. I’m getting tired of Sarah Palin. I keep hoping she’ll go away, but she keeps showing up. Obviously she loves the attention.
I don’t expect you to understand, as it is obvious that you hate Obama and democrats in general,and no matter what he (they) do, you will find fault with it.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Jared, you say:
“”Your post was EXTREMELY critical and personally attacked not only Palin but the rest of the people in the world who believe there is a God.”"
Show me the part where I attacked people who believe in a ‘god’?
What I pointed out, if you read carefully, is that
1) Believing in a ‘god’ is not the same as buying into the bible nonsense and hooey, or the Qu’ran, or the Talmud. Stone any disobedient children to death lately, Jared? Hocus Pocus? Put your neighbour’s eyes out for stealing a sheep did we, Jared? We’re all descended from Noah’s incestous relationship with his daughters, is that what you’re saying?
2) Because, if Ms Palin, or any other candidate claims to believe the bible literally, and therefore is either ignorant of, or disbelieving in: science, history, physics, chemistry, biology, archeology, anthropology, modern medicine, oceanography, gravity, outer space, lightspeed, Einstein, Galileo, Newton, Darwin, evolution, planets, stars, cosmology, dinosaurs, Austrolipiticus Aferensis, Cro-Magnon Man, Neanderthal Man, geology, botany, zoolology, (and the list goes on for infinite….) then she is not quilified to be the leader of the United States of America, IMO.
You tried that with George aWol Bush, and look where it got you.
Sorry if you were offended Jared, but I am offended daily by big C christian biblical carp…but what has that got to do with a belief in God?
Read my first post again please mate…
Cheers
j
January 8th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
TDRO,
If you would have read the blog, you would know that I answered someone who claimed that the republican attack machine put out that stuff. My point was, it was all true. Doesn’t matter if you agree or disagree with folks who think it was an issue. Everything that was put out, was fact.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
BAD<
then obama isn’t qualified, because he claims to be a christian. In order to be a Christian you have to believe in God, and all that other stuff you think is lies, fabrications and a waste of time.
So, I guess if we follow your logic your guy isn’t fit.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
In addition to being a non story, it is a lie. He did not attend a madrassa.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Ask yourself why the big bad main stream media would back Obama. What exactly would be in it for them? Perish the thought that maybe it was because they thought that he was so superior to the other options. Maybe it was because the thought he was an intelligent,thoughtful,knowledgeable,introspective,calm candidate. Maybe they thought he was an individual that showed empathy for the average man, which was evidenced by his decision to leave a high paying job at a law firm to work at a low paying job as a community organizer. Maybe it’s because he ran a campaign that addressed the issues instead of basing his campaign on sarcasm, smear, and negativity. Maybe it’s because he was organized and consistent. Maybe just maybe they had the intelligence to recognize all these superior qualities.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
UM,
that was NOT the point. My point was, that was not put out there by conservatives OR Fox news as alleged above in another post. It was in fact put out there by a Democrat, Hillary Clinton
Susan,
It isn’t the media’s job to choose sides. They are supposed to report ALL sides of a story objectively, otherwise they are a big fat propaganda machine.
If you want that move to china or russia
January 8th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
FROSTY –
“NO-ONE with any sense can possibly believe this is anything more that metaphor, written centuries ago by men who feared death, the unknown, thunder and lightning etc etc….”
Assuming you meant the Bible, and thus, by extension, God, because without one there isn’t the other (otherwise where would “God” have come from?).
I’ve read both your posts very carefully, and you did directly offend believers with the quote above. Whether you intended to or not. You indiscriminately lumped all believers into a fundamentalist group of wackos, and I’ll thank you to remember that, just like you can’t lump people together based on broad social beliefs, not all Christians believe what Sarah Palin, or the fundamentalists believe.
“Stone any children lately?” You’re a Jack@@@ for even asking that question.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Um,
If I am not mistaken there is a passage in his book, the audacity of hope where he says he attended a muslim school for a time.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Lol
I will post my own quote, as a typo may have made my position less clear. I said:
“”" God is one thing – a ‘creator’ of the Big Bang, no peop;lblem…but all this hooey about Adam and eve, and Noah and the flood, the earth being 6000 years old…c’mon.
Substitute ‘no problem’ for the spasm that is ‘no peo;pl^$^&$’…lol
And you will hear what my mesaage is, and always has been on every post about religion.
Believing in a ‘god’ is fine with me (and 85% of Americans. But this is a FAR CRY from beliving in the nonsense that is written in the bible/Q’ran/Talmud
Can’t you see how foolish it is that the world is tearing itself apart over differences in these three books?
I am not trying to blow my own horn here, but I am going to tell you something…. ;-)
I, (and maybe you who knows), and I have a suspicion, Old Lefty, have had too much time on my hands over the years, lol…I have read all three (in English). The bible in several translations, Old(the Torah) and New Testaments both
Listen to me, please, (or don’t, whatever). The similarities FAR FAR out-weigh the differences…all three tell 95% the same stories, with slight variations, and the Talmud ‘overrules’ the Torah etc etc
ALL THREE have
1) the ‘golden rule’
2) not to kill
3) not to steal
Over and over again.
(In fact, I have also read L. Ron Hubbards’ Dianetics, the foundation of Scientology…and it has them too! Lol
So what?
1)You may say that the bible has great lessons…it does.
2)You may say that the Qu’ran teaches compassion and aid for the poor, the least amongts us.
3)You may say that the Talmud teaches that good deeds done on earth outweigh any concept of ‘heaven’ or reward, it does.
So what?
The fact that 3 billion of you can’t get along, and all think their holy book was written by God (It wasn’t) and others are a blasphemy!?
All three books are used to lecture, indocrinate, insatll fear, create paranoia, control sexuality, control politics, control women…on and on…
What has that got to do with God?
If the was a God, She has long since moved on for Earth 2.0, I assure you…
:-)
January 8th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Jared, by this
“”“Stone any children lately?” You’re a Jack@@@ for even asking that question.”"
You have demonstrated to me that you have never even read the damn thing.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Of course it is the job of the media to report all the news; however, most newspapers will then come out and back the candidate of their choice.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Jared,
In regards to your above post regarding Frosty’s post critical of literal interpretations of the bible let me throw my two cents in. If I interpreted Frosty’s post correctly he was critical of LITERAL interpretations of the bible not a belief in God. There are some pretty good scientific arguments to support an argument against a completely literal interpretation of the bible. From my personal viewpoint science will never prove or disprove the existence of God or a higher power. Anthropologically speaking religion was a way to unite a tribe in a system of beliefs that aided their survival. Since Christianity happens to be one of the ultimate survivors I would agree that there is a tremendous amount to learn from it that is beneficial to humanity. From personal experience as someone who was raised in a very traditional Christian home but just cannot buy off on everything I was brought up to believe, that does not mean that I completely lack spirituality. I agree that who am I to say my belief system is correct and anybody who disagrees is wrong, therefore yes respect is due to others belief system but that is a two way street.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
So what does that mean if Obama DID indeed attend a Muslim school for a time? What is the implication in that statement? Would that make him any less of a Christian now? Would that mean he has terrorist leanings? Should we fear him if we found out he had attended a Muslim school as a child?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Excellent post BadMr.Frosty.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Yes, even I can admit that at times some of the media went overboard on Palin, particularly regarding her family. However, the conservatives use ONLY this when speaking about her and mention NOTHING of very legitimate concerns regarding her at times lack of knowledge on many key things and her inability to answer some very simple questions. I’m sorry, she can spin it any way she wants, but “what publications do you read” was not a big “gotcha question”. And for her to say “well I thought it was more of a general question about whether I read” – now come on people, I know people thought she wasn’t that smart, but I’m assuming that Katie Couric figured she knew how to read!
Again, was some of the mud slinging unfair? Of course! I personally don’t think much of her and just about everything about her made me cringe, but I think I would have a bit more respect for her if instead of blaming everybody else, that she would admit some of her short-comings. To continually act like this wonderful, qualified candidate that was so “wronged” by everybody without even acknowledging her flaws is so distasteful!
January 8th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Excuses, excuses. If you want to have “news” that is nothing more than the government controlled propraganda machine then you have no problems with one sided, slanted reporting. And that is what we got from the MSM during this election.
It wasn’t just palin they treated crappy. They treated hillary crappy too.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Danielle,
As opposed to a guy who had constant gaffes that were not played over and over and over again? If Palin had made the comment about FDR appearing on TV to address the country regarding the depression she would have been crucified by the MSM. That is just ONE of his gaffes. But I guess HIS shortfallings are okee dokee.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Explain this one to me. First Palin was whining because the McCain campaign wouldn’t let her talk to the big bad media. Now she’s whining because they made her talk to the media.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Specifically couric. How many interviews did Biden do? How about Barack?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Blissful -
Yes, Hillary was treated crappy as well. But also as TDRO pointed out, so was Obama. The difference between the two of them and Palin is that they have substance and intelligence to back them up – she didn’t. So in turn, she was made to look like an a**. (I’m not saying she’s an a**, I’m just saying that is why she was made to look like one).
January 8th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Placefield, cheers, spot on.
Thank you, Phillip, I actually really appreciate that…
Susan is right, I’d actually rather see a POTUS that was well rounded in his/her life’s experience, woulddn’t you?
Jared, perhaps I could be more gentle ( not to mention clear!) in my language…but you’re a Texan, you can handle it ;-)
For me, mate…’god/gods are fine (I have Hindu friends)’ no worries…but the books that are written by men to prove that “our god(s) is/are more real than yours!!” – are not. IMO.
Danielle, you are probably right…but most media outlets base their content on ‘profit’ (ratings), not the truth, lol – That’s the free market…love it our fix it!
And yes, BILS is right…ALL media seems these days to have an agenda, or at least a lean. Although ‘gov’t controlled’ doesn’t quite fit here, does it?
I think the media bias against Palin was a given…rememmber she was a VP, and came attached to McCain, and the neo-con controlled GOP.
If I were you, BILS, and really believed in conservative principles…I would stop defending the past and start thinking of the future. Who, besides Palin and her drug-addict son-in-law (whose mother is now, post-campaighn, FINALLY being charged with trafficking) would you like to see run?
The GOP needs to re-brand itself, or else fade into history while the ‘reform’ or ‘green’ or other some such party evolves…
IMO…
;-)
January 8th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Palin was an unknown entity that’s why the voters wanted to hear her in an interview. Guess they didn’t like what they heard.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Blissful –
Are you kidding me? You ask how many interviews did Biden / Barack do? Plenty! And besides, it’s more about the type of interviews. I don’t recall she Palin’s a** on Meet the Press! No, she was “stuck” with that hardnose, big meany Couric asking all those “gotcha questions” and Sean Hannity spoon feeding her!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
*sigh* (reads posts)
..and the band played on…
Good luck, all.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Obama was NOT treated crappy. You don’t think biden looks like an a%%???
You know what. don’t even take my word for it. there are a lot of articles out that describe how the msm was in the tank for obama, how journalism died in 2008 and how in the history of this country a candidate has never been so feverently placed on such a high pedestal as obama.
why? I have no freakin’ clue.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
“Excuses, excuses. If you want to have “news” that is nothing more than the government controlled propraganda machine then you have no problems with one sided, slanted reporting. And that is what we got from the MSM during this election.”
Specifically Faux News. Geez, again tonight I heard Hannity whining about Wright and Ayers. That’s for 9+ months straight now! Talk about “racking Obama over the coals”….
January 8th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Blissful:
You must get your information from Faux News. That’s exactly what Bill O’Reilly said!
From what I’ve heard, Obama got more negative reporting than both McCain and Palin together.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Alan: As Politico reports, Gov. Palin sees herself as a victim of that mythical political bogeyman, the “Mainstream Media.” She thinks the MSM promoted its own self-interests at her expense:
Well, duh! Alan, either you don’t comprehend the power of the press because you are completely stupid or you choose to simply ignore it… I think you ignore it. Do you justify the “mythical bogeymen” tearing into Palin’s daughter’s life – or pretend it didn’t happen?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
From the Center for Media and Public Affairs:
“Barack Obama is getting more negative coverage than John McCain on TV network evening news shows, reversing Obama’s lead in good press during the primaries, according to a new study by Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA). The study also finds that a majority of both candidates’ coverage is unfavorable for the first time this year. According to CMPA President Dr. S. Robert Lichter, “Obama replaced McCain as the media’s favorite candidate after New Hampshire. But now the networks are voting no on both candidates.”
January 8th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Blissful -
Yes, Biden said some dumb stuff too – I’m not denying that. But there is a difference in somebody that is fairly intelligent making a few slip ups and between someone who is not overly intelligent doing it. Look at the debates. Biden didn’t need to constantly look at his “cheat sheet” everytime he was asked a question – he had a more than reseanable answer for every question (and he actually answered all thne questions that were asked of him), compared to Palin who had to constantly look at her notes because she clearly wasn’t familiar enough with the topic and when a question was asked that wasn’t on her notes, she didn’t answer it – she just changed the subject (”I want to talk about taxes again”, “Ronald Reagan…blah..blah”, “we’re just a bunch of mavericks”).
Sure Biden said some dumb stuff in the debates too (”I love John McCain” – several times). But again, he didn’t need to rely on notes to answer every question AND he answered every question that was asked of him!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Oops, sorry a few typo’s – getting used to the keys on my new laptop!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
my last post didn’t go through
January 8th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
“”why? (there is so much hope for Obama) I have no freakin’ clue.”
I can help.
After 8 years of disasterous policies by George aWol Bush and his cronies, Americans have seen their standard of living, dreams, and hope for the future plummet. The country has been brought to the brink of bankruptcy for no good reason, and yet this turkey remains adament that he made NO mistakes…not a’one!”
Obama represents hope for the future. It’s not up to just him, of course, it’s up to the team that he surrounds himself with – and how willing his administration is to listen to ALL sides…
…So far Obama has demonstrated that he is willing to work with ALL sides, to bring the US back to her place as the envy of the free world…rather than the object of derision that Dub-ya has almost created!
And the likes of Hannity can pound sand, until they can lose the bitterness, they remain a sideline pawn, raging against the machine, like a spoilt child…
January 8th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
WEll, I have about given up. I have tried posting the same comment 3 times, and it keeps saying “you already said that”. yeah, but it isn’t posting for cyring out loud.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Bad,
I think you missed something. it isn’t the job of the press to act like a personal campaign free advertisement, shive up your leg free for all press.
it is their job to remain unbiased, and objective.
they did not
January 8th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
My favorite Obama “slam” was repeatedly harping on the “Rev. Wright, crazy church thing” and then the “he’s a Muslim, associates with terrorists thing”.
I love it – How is someone a crazy Christian and a crazy Muslim at the same time?
But no, Obama wasn’t treated crappy or anything!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Blissful -
It will eventually post. That happened to me a few days ago and it posted like a hour later.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
I actually have links to research done at harvard, etc. about the pro-obama media bias and slanted journalism.
oh well. They are good, worth reading, but alas they haven’t posted. I am done for the night.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
G H W Bush on air argument with Dan Rather.
CBSHD unavailable in NYC metro with rabbit ears.
Mary Mapes discredited report.
Karmazin’s failure with SIRIUS and his pathetic lobbying for bailout money. No one listens to Howard anymore.
And finally Katey’s ambush of Palin.
It won’t work, we still like the Governor.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Wow ! This topic is hot. Working,but i don,t buy that liberal media stuff. Palin is her own worst enemy and a embarrassment to herself as well. Yes,she drew alot of people at her rallies,but they were hateful and nasty. Never stayed on message with McCain as if she was the front runner. She needs to stay up their in the great white north since she likes red meat from a mother humpin moose. Oh ! I can see Russia from my front door.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
I forgot, Leslie’s sad attempt at influence with wowowow when her bias is already overpowering on 60 minutes.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
What do we see in this woman?
Check this out.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
*sigh*
what if it really was objective reporting, and Obama really is a good guy? It’s so cynical to assume that because an article is positive it must be false.
And WOW *bowing down to BadMrFrosty* : well written and fun to read, not to mention right on!
January 8th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Seward.. what??? no-one listens to Howard? you’re tripping, buddy.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
If Bristol Palin wasn’t Sarah’s daughter the unchristian wrong would be up in arms about another welfare mother breeding.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Billo blasted the Spears and their parents and John Stewart pointed out the bias on his show where Billo was giving the Palin,s high remarks. OC painkillers,lying about the job. Good greif,Palin needs some MD 20/20 with her moose burgers.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
* NEWS FLASH *
Bristol did not have an abortion. There is no hypocrisy there.
BTW, Alaska can use the population.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
I know,she did not abort her baby. Hypocrisy,yes,,when you have a talk show host blasting clebs for getting pregnet and acting out as in Bill O,Riely and on the John Stewart show he showed Billo givng Bristol and the Palin,s high reguards. That sounds like Hypocrisy to me. OC painkillers being sold by Bristol boyfriend parents. That,s Hypocrisy. Palin is a joke and she should stay put eatting her mother humpin moose. OH ! with some MD 20/20.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:02 am
BILS says;
“”…the pro-obama media bias and slanted journalism…”
Did it ever occur to you, that the ‘media’ is made up for the large part,(Plumber Joe, excepted) of more or less educated, and thoughtful, people?
(And that those that aren’t can always go work for Fox…)
Chances are, they were studying history, literature, and the ethics of fair journalism, back when Sarah Palin was learning how to have 5 kids in 10 years while shooting animals from a helicopter…
The point is, BILS, “the media” as you say, is not a monolithic entity, swimming with the current like so many young herring. You like to criticise the sway towards Obama as some sort of ‘conspiracy’? But why do you think all these columnists and members of the 5th Estate would support Obama?
Just to anger you? And O’Reilly? At the flip of a coin perhaps? Or do you think that ‘they’ may be a little more aware of the damage done to the US by Dubya and his neo-con cronies, than you or I? Well, you anyway…
Or maybe you have a degree in investigative reporting that you haven’t told us about?
Maybe THEY (the so-called liberal media) are just RIGHT, and you, Hannity, Limbaugh, O’Reilly and your church bulletins are just WRONG?
Now THAT’s an inconvenient truth, innit?
J
January 9th, 2009 at 1:17 am
Palin is a little too country for the great middle of America.
January 9th, 2009 at 2:52 am
I wonder how biting the hands that helped her(the McCain campaign) and the Media will work for her now? Wish they’d run her again but don’t I think they will!
January 9th, 2009 at 5:31 am
oops! Wish they’d run her again but I don’t think they will! Darn keys.
January 9th, 2009 at 5:35 am
Can anyone tell me what “tough” questions did Katie Couric asked Sarah Palin?
I think the real stumper was “What do you read?”
January 9th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Whenever I see Sarah in an interview I am reminded of that famous Mark twain quote…
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:49 am
FROSTY,
So let me get this straight…you can acknowledge that not all Muslims are extremists, but you are unwilling to acknowledge that not all “big C christians” (whatever that’s supposed to mean…) are fundamentalists.
Contrary to what you think, we are not all Bible thumping, God damning, believe like I do or go to hell, type people.
And yes, I’ve read the Bible, and my comment about you being a Jack@@@ was in response to you implicitly accusing me, specifically, of engaging in archaic, and barbaric Old Testament rituals. You don’t know me, or know what I believe. Automatically assuming the worst about my beliefs is ignorant.
As far as you comment referring to the destruction of the world by religious groups…when was the last time you’ve heard of a Christian strapping a bomb to their body and blowing up innocent bystanders who you call “infidels”?
One more thing, I don’t presume that all liberals think the same way, and I’ll thank you to not presume to know how every Christian thinks.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:49 am
FROSTY,
By Rasmussen:
“Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of election campaigns. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that four times as many-68%–believe most reporters try to help the candidate that they want to win.”
Educated as you say they may be, there’s no doubt that a good majority of Americans think something was amiss. Are 83% of Americans wrong then, by your logic?
January 9th, 2009 at 7:58 am
Let’s try this again today. I hope my posts go through.
check out these links for polls on media bias from harvard and others:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008
At the wiki site they have an entire section regarding media coverage. In that paragraph they mention the group at harvard and a couple others who did studies regarding the media coverage. If you go to their web sites you will clearly see the results. obama favored.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Jared (I) – Texas,
100% of TV viewers and radio listeners hear constantly that the media is “liberal”.
***************************************************
My old examples still apply:
Former Cheney communications director, Cathie Martin testified that;
“I suggested we put the vice president on ‘Meet the Press,’ which was a tactic we often used,” Martin testified. “It’s our best format.”
She wrote,
Option 1: “MTP-VP,” then listed the pros and cons of a vice presidential appearance on the Sunday show. Under “pro,” she wrote: “control message.”
Judith Miller and the NYT printed EVERYTHING Scooter Libby told her. Then Cheney goes on Meet the Press and quotes the NYT,as if it were a corroborating source, while no one in the MSM points out that the source for the NYT was Cheney.
Sumner Redstone, CEO of CBS ’s parent company Viacom, made an unusual political statement at a gathering of corporate leaders in Hong Kong (Asian Wall Street Journal, 9/24/04):
I don’t want to denigrate Kerry… but from a Viacom standpoint, the election of a Republican administration is a better deal. Because the Republican administration has stood for many things we believe in, deregulation and so on. The Democrats are not bad people…. But from a Viacom standpoint, we believe the election of a Republican administration is better for our company.
~ Richard Bonn, former RNC chair said,
“There is some strategy to bashing the liberal media…if you watch any great coach,what they do is try to ‘work the refs’. Maybe the ref will cut you some slack the next time”.
~ Bruce Bartlett said in NRO: “the idea that the media tilts towards liberals is absurd.”
If deregulation and consolidation is best achieved through free market Republicans, it behooves the media to call all news that reflects badly on Republicans as liberal bias.
The scandal about the retired military correspondents who reported what the Pentagon told them to, and reported favorably on military equipment as they were getting consulting fees from those corporations, illustrates this even more.
Frankly, I think that many of those who have access to TV and radio are themselves millionaire celebrities who consider themselves part of the powerful elite that they are supposed to be reporting on.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:56 am
All I have to do is watch the different interviews of the different candidates and I can see the bias is they type of questions and more importantly in the way the questions are asked. You have to be observant sometimes to pick out this bias.
When Charlie Gibson asked Sarah Palin about the “Bush Doctrine”, he didn’t have a clue what Bush Doctrine he wanted an answer to. It was nothing but a “gotcha” question.
So yes, there is a liberal bias in the media.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:26 am
That’s what people said about media bias against Gore and Kerry.
Especially, two women at the most influential newspapers in the country: Seelye from The New York Times and Ceci Connolly from The Washington Post.
They misquoted Gore, (on pp1), the papers had to print corrections,(on pp20), but only after TV people repeated the misquote for a week.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Bottom line…. parents should teach their children safe sex not abstinence. The more you control your sexual urges, the more it perverts you. Thats why it is such a taboo in society today.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Liberal media:
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CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, NPR, NEW YORK TIMES, WASHINGTON POST, LA TIMES, ATLANTA CONSTITUTION-JOURNAL. Just to name a few.
Conservative media:
FOX NEWS, WASHINGTON TIMES, WALL STREET JOURNAL, BUSINESS INVESTORS DAILY,
Conservative talk shows. Nationally:
RUSH LIMBAUGH, SEAN HANNITY, MARK LEVIN, MICHAEL REAGAN, GLENN BECK, BILL CUNNINGHAM.
Liberal talk show hosts. Nationally:
I don’t know of any nationally. That is because they cannot retain an audience. Several have tried it but failed miserably. I guess the majority of the country is center-right.
Maybe you can explain it to me Lefty.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Nikhil,
What kind of logic is that?
January 9th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Anyone out there who still thinks that Gore had the election stolen from him in 2000?
January 9th, 2009 at 10:00 am
You can teach abstinence AND safe sex and STILL end up pregnant.
Do you have any idea how many responsible adults end up pregnant while practicing “safe sex???”
Old,
it sounds like you are excusing media bias against palin/mccain in the 2008 election because you think there has been media bias in the past?
January 9th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Willy,
I know plenty who do. I don’t fall into that camp but who knows. I think for alot of people it was just a shock as they must have fallen asleep in there high school government class when the electorate collage was discussed.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:14 am
I plan on using every technique in my arsenal when it comes to sex and my daughters. I would prefer them to abstain, at least until they mature emotionally enough to handle the baggage. But I will also be teaching them about safe sex as I do live in the real world. I see no reason to limit the number of tools in my parenting bag.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:19 am
I think a lot of people were sleeping in their government class when the Constitution was taught, when the Bill of Rights were taught. There are people out there who do not know how our government is supposed to work. I have talked to many here in our little town of 13,000. It utterly amazes me. No wonder our country is in such a mess right now. But, but, I know we will rebound as a country. We are a great country filled with tons of great people who work hard and want the best for our country their families and their neighbors.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:26 am
WILLY, talk to OLDLEFTY…he’s still hanging on to that one.
OLDLEFTY, I believe the context of the debate here is in regards to the ‘08 election. And there’s really no debate at all regarding the amount of positive coverage Obama received vs. McCain.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/624/invisible-primary
You’re entitled to your opinion…but the numbers don’t lie.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:27 am
A lot of people think that CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, LA TIMES, ATLANTA CONSTITUTION-JOURNAL Are ALL conservative.
MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, WASHINGTON POST, Go both ways.
As I’ve said NTY sure beat the drums for war.
I remember in 2005, Kenneth Y. Tomlinson, the Republican chairman of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, called two pbs stories, (on Bill Moyers),liberal bias.
One was about corporate influence at the conventions, and the other was about candidate/ corporate influence of the debates, and why the League of Women Voters lost the debates.(they would not let the candidates call the shots)
Bill Moyers use one Democrat, and one Republican as examples, and this qualified as “liberal bias”.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:34 am
“There are people out there who do not know how our government is supposed to work. I have talked to many here in our little town of 13,000. It utterly amazes me. No wonder our country is in such a mess right now.”
Posted by Willy
The Romans knew….Bread and circus, my friend.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Well Lefty, ole buddy, I’ll chat with you later. Have to take a siesta for a while. Have a good day. I’ll be back later this evening, I think.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Sarah Palin said “maybe I was too flippant”…Maybe that was the problem Sarah. I’m sorry but I dont want the VP of the United States to be flippant when asked a simple question that she was UNABLE to answer. McCain lost because of Palin, I know several life long republicans that voted for the first democrat of their life because of Palin. She was a joke from the beginning and her nasty crowd speeches, her nasty remarks at the GOP convention, and her flippant remarks to cover a clear lack of knowledge turned off most people. If you love her you are just like her.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Kinda like Biden when asked the marxist question by a reporter in Florida, who was a credible journalist. if I remember correctly, the obama/biden campaign boycotted that network after that interview.
Maybe you prefer your vp’s condescending, the way biden was in his interview when he stared down the reporter and said it is patriotic to pay higher taxes.
“her nasty crowd speeches” “her nasty remarks”, if hillary clinton, obama or biden had made the same remarks they would have been labeled with having “chuztpah”.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Kinda like Biden when asked the marxist question by a reporter in Florida, who was a credible journalist. if I remember correctly, the obama/biden campaign boycotted that network after that interview.
…………………………………….
She was hysterical. It could have been a SNL skit.
Like if someone had asked,McCain “Will you continue to support the illegal activities of the Bush administration?”
January 9th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Sarah Palin came off as the kind of lady I would label as a b*tch. I did not like her personality. I didnt think it was cute when she winked several times at the Vice Presidential Debate. Joe Biden is a serious person when it comes to serious issues. Sarah Palin is a know nothing who winks and says gosh darnit to get votes. It was embarrassing to watch, and scary. She scares me so much I am so glad she will never be even close to making any decision that would ever effect me or anyone I care about. Listen to her now, blaming everyone else for her failures. Yeah she sounds like she would be a dandy replacement for George W, too bad 65% of the population disagreed.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Kinda like al gore blaming everyone for his.
Hillary clinton is tough, but you lable sarah palin as a bit%%. typical.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Old,
Like liberals haven’t put that out there? And it wasn’t a stupid question. It was legitimate based on what they want to do.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:25 am
The difference between Hillary and Palin is the intelligence. I did not vote for Hillary in the primary because I’m not a fan, in fact she was not my choice for Sec of State either and yes shes a b*tch too. But I feel Hillary Clinton will do a fine job. I dont have to worry about her being in meetings, meeting foregin leaders, being responsible for the well being of the country. Sarah Palin might be just fine for the state of Alaska, if they love her fantastic. I dont. Most of this country does not. And this interview isnt helping, its making her look worse. What did Al Gore blame anyone for?
January 9th, 2009 at 11:33 am
The election.
You can’t be an idiot and run a state. You can’t be an idiot and run a national guard the way palin has to. In Alaska, the governor commands the national guard just like the president. And yes, they are on heightened alert because of their close proximity to russia. In fact, in the event of a russian attack the alaskan national guard would be scrambled, and might intercept.
You may not like how she speaks, her inerviews may not have gone well, but she isn’t an idiot.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Bliss,
If I am not mistaken there is a passage in his book, the audacity of hope where he says he attended a muslim school for a time.
Muslim school madrassa
January 9th, 2009 at 11:37 am
damn, should read:
Muslim school != madrassa
January 9th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Um,
The whole debate about a madrassa was started when a poster blamed the republicans for that being brought up. I kindly pointed out that hillary clinton mentioned it in 2007.
I never said I believed whether he did or did not attend a madrassa. The truth is, we may never know. Do I care? I don’t give a rip. Should folks go on blaming republicans for that being brought up? Heck no. Did it get reported?YES. who brought it to the forefront?
A darn democrat who is now serving as his SEc of State
January 9th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Furthermore, in an above post someone mentioned that he was NEVER a muslim. Well, you can say that, but the truth is he did attend a muslim school and his religion was listed as Muslim.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Live and learn Sarah Palin. (Although I think you are incapable of the latter) You guys hear about that Ann Coulter book? What’s it called? Guilty? “Liberal victims…”? Ironic. Who’s playing the vicitim in this one? “It’s all the ‘Elitist Media’s fault. I would have been the perfect vice-president, but the ‘Elitist Media’ had to come and eff it up.” (sigh) NOT!
January 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am
I never said I believed whether he did or did not attend a madrassa. The truth is, we may never know.
No, we do know. He did not attend a madrassa.
Well, you can say that, but the truth is he did attend a muslim school and his religion was listed as Muslim.
I’ve had the great pleasure to know a few ‘Catholic school girls’ who were anything *but* Catholic.
I take folks on their word as to what religion the are/are not/have been/etc..
January 9th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Sarah Palin might do a fine and dandy job running Alaksa, but she knows nothing about the world outside of her state. NOTHING. Therefore she was unqualified to be the VP candidate for the United States. All these people that actually believe she will President of the United States are delusional. She will never ever have a majority of the country supporting her. This is 2009, YouTube changed the game. In 3 years if you type in Sarah Palin into google, all of these embarrassing interviews, speeches, examples of her knowing nothing will show up and we have a permanent reminder of how embarrassing this candidate was/is. Al Gore blamed who for the election? I thought he moved on, focused on his lifes work and won the Nobel Peace Prize….hmmm dont think Palin will be doing that anytime soon.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:50 am
We have a conservatived media and how can anyone back this lady ? Blames Katie and Charles for her interviews. Blames SNL, but she goes on the show anyway. Her daughters boyfriends mom busted for pain pills. Doing an interview while turkeys are being killed. Troopergate and her soon to be son in law had to leave his job for lying. And the beat goes on like Sonny and Cher song. I can see Russia from my front porach. Her spending spree doing the election. Daughter getting pregnat while she is holding a high office. Yes alot of people went to see her rallies,but she spewed more hate to make the devil proud. She needs to go on and get her red meat from that mother humpin moose and drink some more MD 20/20.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Oh yeah, youtube is a reliable source for news and correct information.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Once again, her daughter being pregnant has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING
You can not like her without being disrespectful. Good grief.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:59 am
It’s not that youtube is a reliable source for information. But, when you’ve got an overwhelming amount of negative media it’s not too easy to come out as a positive individual. It’s gonna be tough for poor Sarah. Damn left-wing, elite, biased, effing media!
January 9th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
On YouTube you can find every single interview she conducted. That is reliable, if it is the interview that she sat down and conducted. You can also find her campaign rally speeches, straight from the mooses mouth. You dont think that is reliable? For people to see the facts and judge for themselves? They will, and they have. She made a fool of herself, she was in way over her head and thought she could get by being country and cute. If someone sees the VP debate on youtube in 3 years do you think they are going think shes a great candidate? Absolutely NOT.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Ike, there is nothing to say to you. YOu have your opinoin of her, and you see nothing good in her. clearly.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
As a presidential candidate no way. As a mother, friend. wife, sister, daughter, gov, grandmother, and so on I have no problems with her.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
But ya know, i would ya know , kinda like ya know, like to hear some ya know, democrats on here, ya know, condemn caroline kennedy for sounding, ya know, like a complete ya know, bumbler.
If sarah palin had ya know, said ya know, ya know over 200 times in ya know an interview, ya know, it would be the greatest, ya know, crime of the the, ya know century.
You betcha
January 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
you see nothing good in her.
Well, she did contribute to Obama winning the election, so there is some good in her. She is keeping a close eye on those Ruuskies for us, she couldn’t have done that all the way from Washington – that no doubt contributed to some folks deciding it was too dangerous to leave the border unguarded and thus they voted for Obama.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I dont live in NY so Caroline Kennedy wanting to be 1 of 100 doesnt bother me. Sarah Palin winking at a Vice Presidential debate is disturbing, especially for those who loved it. Caroline Kennedy has been scrutinized hard core, as she should be. But its not the same seat or branch of the govt that she is trying to be a part of. If Sarah Palin ran for Senate she would not have been scrutinized as harshly, but as a VP candidate to a 72 year old man, from a party that brought us George W (twice) was not going to fly without due investigation.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Ike,
This is it on this topic for me.
She had more executive experience HANDS DOWN than the guy elected for president. That is a fact jack.
Having someone get a senate seat based on name DOES bother , regardless if it is my state or not. That is NOT what our forefathers envisioned for our country.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Palin didn’t mind using media bias when she was tossing out those coments about Obama. She doing the same thing that she blames others for. She’s smart enough to know that it’s the same thing. But she feels sorry for herself when she is on the wrong side of it. Typical republican.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Eff Caroline Kennedy. This whole idea of monarchy in government needs to stop. Just because she’s a Kennedy does not mean she’s qualified as senator, just like W. wasn’t qualified as president. It’s a bad trend and there needs to be more control in that. As for the comparing her to Sarah Palin: it would be a fair comparison if Princess Kennedy were running for Vice-President, but unfortunately for Bliss, she’s not, ya know.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Executive experience is fine and dandy but when you know NOTHING about the world outisde of Alaska, or TEXAS or Georgia either for that matter is a problem that outweighs executive experience. Jimmy Carter had executive experience. How did that play out for him when he entered the big league? George W Bush had executive experience, how did that work out for him and the world? It failed. Executive experience will only take you so far when your knowledge of the broader world is vastly limited. I dont vote based on experience, I vote based on INTELLIGENCE. I have this crazy idea that my leaders should be smarter than me. Not that I want to sit down and “have a beer with them” no I want my eyes to glaze over when they talk about policy that is even too complicated for me to understand.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
All of you guys are taking cheap shots at a former Presidential Candidate. Just like BLISS mentioned, you can hate her guts without getting personal (GO CARDS). I’ve never been on a website where so many people find it acceptable to personally attack someone else. Show a little maturity in your posts or go post somewhere else.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
She had more executive experience HANDS DOWN than the guy elected for president. That is a fact jack.
Negatory – she had no experience with national politics, or current events for that matter. That’s the truth plain, Jane.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
All of you guys are taking cheap shots at a former Presidential Candidate.
I haven’t seen any cheap shots against McCain in this thread.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Okay, breaking my word.
Obama had 143 days in the senate. Wow. what a resume. Oh how the memory does fade. How many democratic candidates said he wasn’t ready?? OH yeah, all of them.
We can go round and round the obama merry go round. You don’t like palin, you voted for obama. He is in office. Yet, palin is STILL the focus of so many liberals. Interesting.
And yes, she had more executive experience than him. I don’t remember the term Governor being before his name?
Irregardless, too bad the folks on this blog aren’t taking their leader’s advice and moving toward a change from regular ole’ politics.
Continue talking about her personally, putting down her mothering skills, trashing her family, brining up drug charges against her daughter’s boyfriend’s mother. Those of you who engage in that have no class.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
my fault, UM…VP.
Good catch.
And there’s a difference between executive experience (actually being in charge of something), and national political experience.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Palin put herself out there to be picked apart by the media, just like any other candidate. She could be sitting up in Alaska now, quietly ruminating over the mistakes in the campaign in order to learn from them. Instead, she’s putting herself out there in the media again, trying to play the victim. She’s inviting the criticism with her every word. If she wants to be left alone by the media, just shut up! I don’t think that the public really wants to see or hear from her for quite some time.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
“Continue talking about her personally, putting down her mothering skills, trashing her family, brining up drug charges against her daughter’s boyfriend’s mother. Those of you who engage in that have no class.”
Posted By Blissfulconservative
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Neither do those who engage in blaming the President-elect for “paling around with terrorists”, or those who yelled “kill him!”. of those who believe his middle name, Hussein, makes him a threat, or those who still believe he is a muslim.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Yet, palin is STILL the focus of so many liberals. Interesting.
It’s the whole car wreck syndrom. You know you really don’t want to see it, but somehow it is impossible not to slow down as you pass the wreckage.
What I hope is that Palin stops her media tour/whining. McCain just went back to work, Palin seems addicted to national media. Who knows, maybe this new found interest of hers in the national media will translate to an interest to start reading newspapers and magazines.
And yes, she had more executive experience than him. I don’t remember the term Governor being before his name?
If you want to define ‘executive’ in such a way as to ignore his extremely impressive resume, that’s your issue.
Continue talking about her personally, putting down her mothering skills, trashing her family, brining up drug charges against her daughter’s boyfriend’s mother.
I think talking about her ‘personally’ is reasonable (she ‘personally’ is still being talked about as a possible future national candidate) – but I completely agree talking about the rest that you mention is uncool/classless/etc…
January 9th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
And there’s a difference between executive experience (actually being in charge of something), and national political experience.
State Senators, National Senators, Directors, Professors, Attorneys, Chairmen, etc… are in charge of quite a bit, actually.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
It is evident that the media was in the corner for Barack Obama. It is no secret that the media has a liberal bias. That having been said, centrists like myself do have concerns about her lack of experience. I understand the criticism that some have about her.I would not go as far as to say that she was whining, but rather venting her frustrations about the unfair treatment she received. Even Geraldine Ferraro admits that Sarah Palin was not treated fairly. Unfortunately, both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin were victims of sexism.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
UM,
I’ve looked at BO’s resume…what exactly are you looking at that you would qualify as “excellent”?
Can’t be his days as a community organizer…can’t be his days in the State Senate when he denied health care to babies born from abotched abortions…can’t be his two years in the Senate without a major bill passed…what else is in there?
“State Senators, etc. are in charge of quite a bit, actually.” List for me, if you will, what committees Obama was in charge of.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Unfortunately, both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin were victims of sexism.
In what way was Clinton a victim?
January 9th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Of all the news outlets, MSNBC is probably the only one that has been completely unbiased and fair in its coverage of Obama and Palin . I can’t trust Fox, but I know that every time I tune into MSNBC Keith and Chris will deliver me the straight truth, no filter, no BS. I only wish more media outlets were as reputable as MSNBC, but I don’t think that’ll ever happen.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Jared,
I’ve looked at BO’s resume…
and then
List for me, if you will, what committees Obama was in charge of.
Well, if you had really looked at his resume, I guess you would have discovered that for yourself. Anyway, here you go:
As State Senator:
Chairman, Health and Human Services Committee.
As US Senator:
Chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs
January 9th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I think the bottom line is that many people saw in Obama an intelligent, thoughtful person who has sought knowledge and understanding about the world and put a lot thought into the issues, throughout much of his life.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Once again Oldleft gets a high five from Ike.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
So, Chairman of the Health and Human Services, but still denied health care to botched abortion babies…whew! That’s a big one. ya got me!
Chairman of a subcommittee on European Affairs – and what, exactly, does that entail? It certainly didn’t prepare him for the Georgia/Russia skirmish…remember the 3 different statements he gave?
January 9th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
OLD LEFTY, was he seeking knowledge and understanding before or after smoking the dubie?
Ok, here’s an analogy for you…if I’m in the military, and I’ve done my reasearch and have studied war tactics, read books on how to be a good leader, etc…but only made the rank of, oh, let’s see, Captain. Would I be able to be Chairman of the JCS? Not likely, and I’d bet you’d know why…
January 9th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
OldLefty, high five from me too!
January 9th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Jared,
was he seeking knowledge and understanding before or after smoking the dubie?
Maybe both and during, what’s your point? Palin burned doobs too.
re:
I’m through doing your research of publicly available information. Try google if you are really interested.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
UM, you’re the one trying to defend the man, and yet you’re not willing to provide the information. Or is it that you have no relevant response?
and the doobie thing was a joke…you’re wound too tight…
January 9th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
OBAMA=MESSIAH
Nice screen name, wacko…
January 9th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Re: Jared – Texas:
Sarah Palin eats babies.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
UM, you’re the one trying to defend the man, and yet you’re not willing to provide the information. Or is it that you have no relevant response?
I provide easily found fact after fact for you, and still you complain?
These damn independents, always looking for a handout, and never satisfied with the handouts they have already received.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
and the doobie thing was a joke…you’re wound too tight…
I apologize for assuming you had a point. I’ll try not to make that mistake in the future.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
UM, You’ve provided information to me, to which I responded with follow-up questions/comments…that’s how debates work.
There go you, lumping me and Indies everywhere into the same social beliefs…
January 9th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
The lies about the abortion thing are right wing propaganda, just like John McCain’s “health of the mother” finger quotations during the third debate. That is propaganda. The fact is the bill he voted against would have undermined Roe V Wade, a supreme court case he agreed with as do a lot of people in the country. The point is Obama is more Presidential when he is on the toilet than Sarah Palin could ever hope to be in the finest duds from Neimens, while winking and not answering the question asked of her.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
IKE,
The abortion thing is NOT propagana. It is a proven fact that he vehemently opposed a bill that would have provided health care for babies that survived abortions. How in the world would that undermine Roe v. Wade as the baby had been born?
HAHAHAHA Obama’s dookies are Presidential. I’ll have to remember that one!
January 9th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
You’ve provided information to me, to which I responded with follow-up questions/comments…that’s how debates work.
You are asking basic factual questions, it isn’t really a debate. You claim to have read his resume, then you ask which committees he has chaired. Then you want to know what those committees do.
That’s not debate, that’s you wanting me to be your personal researcher (or teacher).
If you ask an interesting question, that can’t be answered with a basic google query, I’ll be happy to respond.
There go you, lumping me and Indies everywhere into the same social beliefs…
Absolutely correct, I’m sure many/most Independents are perfectly capable of looking up basic facts.
Apologies to non lazy Independents everywhere.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Compared to Palin my “dookies” are presidential also. I just discovered the difference between followers of the “liberal media” vs “conservative media”. Everyone I know that listens/watches/reads conservative media has the same ideas. Meaning they see/hear/read and choose to believe. Bill-O says there is war on Xmas, get ready for battle. I read/listen/watch and then decide for myself. I live in a world of facts not propaganda.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Yes the Bloggers were unfair but that is not what killed Sara.
Her own words were used on SNL with little change……
Unfair ?
What possible question did Katie ask that was so unfair?
What newspapers you read?
Sara had that typical small town defensiveness that would never work in the beltway or mainstream media.
Many great Presidents came from small town America but their life experience like Clinton in England
and IVY league schools gave him some knowledge of the outside world.
Alaska is like putting Alabama in the middle of the ocean.. It is another culture altogether.
‘WHAT YOU DON’T THINK WE READ NEWS PAPERS IN ALASKA” Was just one of many answers that showed she was not ready for the big time. Would Laura Ingram answer this way? Despite not ever holding office Ingram is very bright and would have flew through these interviews.
Would she have gotten the role of the VP wrong three times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Conservatives love to compare Obama’s lack of experience with Sara’s which is a joke
Obama went on O’Reilly and went toe to toe with him and Bill praised him for it.
Yet Sara complains about Katie? Did she go on Hardball etc NO
Remember much of the criticism came from McCain camp
look at the Obama took from Fox and talk radio but he stood his ground and did not say “I have to get back to you on that.”
The more she complains the more it showed she learned nothing and is not ready for prime time
Katie or Bill O’ who is tougher?
Get Rea
January 9th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
The abortion thing is NOT propagana. It is a proven fact that he vehemently opposed a bill that would have provided health care for babies that survived abortions.
…………………………..
That law provide health care for babies that survived abortions was already in effect.
The law Obama opposed was political theater.
The state medical association AND moderate Republicans voted with Obama.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
UM…
Your comments aside, you don’t get off the hook that easily…
I did ask you a question: how does chairing a subcommittee on European Affairs prepare him for the office of the US Presidency? And then I mentioned having that seat didn’t provide him with the basic knowledge necessary to provide a complete, and presidential, statement regarding the conflict between Georgia/Russia. What say you?
And you’re right, I can look up the stuff myself, and I have, but the point of my questions was to get YOU to explain to ME what was “excellent” about his resume…which you still have not done.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
OLD,
Political theater? Helping dying babies is political theater? And, he’s automatically justified by voting the bill down because moderates did the same thing?
Here’s the problem with Obama’s explanation of why he voted against the Born Alive Act ensuring health care rights for babies born, even after abotched abortions:
The National Right to Life Committee has produced unrefuted records from the Illinois Legislature that prove it has no basis in fact. State Senator Obama voted against a version of the act that contained a “neutrality clause” lifted from the federal legislation. In fact, as chairman of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee (UM CARA, pay attention here), Obama voted to include it in the state legislation before joining the committee majority in killing the whole bill.
UM CARA, is this the type of resume “excellence” you were talking about?
January 9th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Jared,
I did ask you a question: how does chairing a subcommittee on European Affairs prepare him for the office of the US Presidency?
No, you did not ask that question.
And then I mentioned having that seat didn’t provide him with the basic knowledge necessary to provide a complete, and presidential, statement regarding the conflict between Georgia/Russia. What say you?
I say he wasn’t the president, and had to be very careful with how he responded to such a delicate situation. I’m glad that his initial response was measured and over time as additional information was learned he continued to comment in a manner appropriate to the gravity of the situation.
YOU to explain to ME what was “excellent” about his resume…which you still have not done.
Stellar academic record as a student and teacher (Magnum cum laude Harvard, President of Harvard Law Review, Taught courses on the due process and equal protection areas of constitutional law, etc…), strong record of public service, State Senator, US Senator, and of course his most recent achievement of winning the presidential election with a stronger majority than we have seen in recent history.
January 9th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
This this turn into an abortion debate?
January 9th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Mike,
This this turn into an abortion debate?
Every thread that goes over about 20 posts ends up as either a bible lesson or an abortion debate.
It’s how you know the thread is dead and it is time to move on to a new topic.
January 9th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
UM CARA,
If I didn’t come straight out and ask you how his experience as the chair of the subcommitte prepared him to be President, I apologize. I’m asking now.
You’re correct, he wasn’t the President at the time of the GE/RU issue; however, he was a presidential candidate, and therefore had an excellent opportunity to exhibit presidential-type bearing. He did not initially. And exactly how measured do you need to be when you KNOW one country, who is not your ally, invaded another who is your ally?
So, now we’re accepting report cards as qualifiers for President. And every professor who teaches courses on constitutional law are qualified? You’re right, public service is important, but only in the right capacity. And, a large margin of victory qualifies him to be president? You’re reaching for straws…
Using your logic, how qualified was John McCain? More or less qualified than Obama?
January 9th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
UM CARA,
You are the one who brought up his “experience” as the Chair of the Health and Human Services committee as it relates to his being qualified to be President; I provide a counter-point detailing his lack of judgement in dealing with what was probably his biggest test as the Chairman; and now the post is dead?
January 9th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
“”It is a proven fact that he vehemently opposed a bill that would have provided health care for babies that survived abortions”"
Of course Jared, you know full well by know that that was ALREADY laws in place that protected these fetuses.
As OL and others have posted.
And it would have risked Roe vs. Wade because the language of the bill was a Trojan Horse to bring in the ole “fetus has rights of a person” angle.
The fact that the right-wing media outlets like Faux News allow Hannity to bang on and on about this, even when Colmes and countless guests have tried to explain the truth to him, is one of the many reasons they have no credibility with other news outlets.
And since Faux finds itself the object of derision, and the ‘laughing stock’ of the rest of the 5th Estate…it is no wonder they fight back with this “Liberal media bias” angle, complete with spooky marimba music and pie-charts from that stalwart of ‘fair and balanced’ polling, Chris Rasmusen. Lol.
So you just go ahead and keep repeating these untruths, like Obama doesn’t support saving ‘babies’, etc etc.
But, like Bahgdad Bob, you don’t mind if we call you Jacinto City Jared?
January 9th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
“Political theater? Helping dying babies is political theater? And, he’s automatically justified by voting the bill down because moderates did the same thing?”
…………………………………….
Enough of the drama queen stuff.
The dying babies were ALWAYS being helped. As Badmrfrosty pointed the stunt was ‘to bring in the ole “fetus has rights of a person” angle’.
I guess The National Right to Life Committee has as much credibility with me as NARAL has with you.
January 9th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Using your logic, how qualified was John McCain?
Very qualified, and I like McCain.
You are the one who brought up his “experience” as the Chair of the Health and Human Services committee as it relates to his being qualified to be President; I provide a counter-point detailing his lack of judgement in dealing with what was probably his biggest test as the Chairman; and now the post is dead?
There are a bunch of people who will enjoy debating abortion topics with you, I’m not one of them. Once it comes up, usually that’s it for me – because the whole thread becomes abortion related.
If I didn’t come straight out and ask you how his experience as the chair of the subcommitte prepared him to be President, I apologize. I’m asking now.
I believe it was part of my response to the assertion that Obama had not been in charge of anything, when he obviously has.
And every professor who teaches courses on constitutional law are qualified?
I don’t know, I suspect there are some professors who are not qualified to be professors, whether their subject is constitutional law or biology or calculus.
And, a large margin of victory qualifies him to be president? You’re reaching for straws…
I’ll assume you are joking again, since obviously the most important qualifier for being president is to win the election.
January 9th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Um
You are so right about how all these treads turn in that direction
Guess I got in too late
Thanks
Happy new Year
January 9th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Yes, while there may have been laws in place to protect fetus’ born after botched abortions, the proposed bills would do exactly what you mention they would do: identify what constitutes a fetus.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_and_infanticide.html
Don’t let the webaddress scare you…it’s actually a pretty even-handed story. Surely you can’t argue that some questions still remain about his “lack of transparency” when it comes to this issue. I still don’t feel like I’ve gotten an honest explanation from the guy.
And the ‘03 version had detailed verbiage indicating the bill would in no way infringe on Roe v. Wade.
And what kind of untruths am I spreading? inquiry after inquiry after inquiry has questioned his judgement when it comes to this issue. What? I’m supposed to take his word on this? He’s a politician for cryin’ out loud!
January 9th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
I agree 100% with the conclusions of factcheck:
Obama’s critics are free to speculate on his motives for voting against the bills, and postulate a lack of concern for babies’ welfare. But his stated reasons for opposing “born-alive” bills have to do with preserving abortion rights, a position he is known to support and has never hidden.
We has seen EVERY angle of this issue on this site.
As far as I am concerned, Roe v Wade is decided law….
Enough!
January 9th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
UM,
If, by chance, you mistakenly misunderstood my position on Obama’s lack of judgement and clarity in dealing with the “right to life” issue to be an abortion issue, then maybe I wasn’t clear enough in my comments. I didn’t bring up abortion. I did, however, bring up the fact that Obama mishandled a very important subject while he was Chairman of the HHS Committee.
January 9th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
I didn’t bring up abortion. I did, however, bring up the fact that Obama mishandled a very important subject while he was Chairman of the HHS Committee.
That subject that he ‘mishandled’ was related to abortion, so I’m not sure how that is not bringing up abortion. At any rate – Alan runs a reasonable free site, you are obviously welcome to bring up pretty much any topic, including abortion or your opinion on his stance on this issue.
I think he took the correct stance on this issue, you apparently don’t, at any rate it was not an issue that had any bearing on my support of Obama, and I don’t really have any more to say on it (whether you want to call it an abortion issue or not).
January 9th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
I am personally against Abortion but mainly for religious reasons and therefore determine life from conception.
I admit especially from end of first term anti abortion arguments can make a very strong secular/Biological argument against it. After all a heart is beating after 10 weeks so no matter how you look at it it is stopping a heart beat so it should trouble anyone with a conscience.
But still the foundation is religious and in a pluralistic society it is up to the people to decide..
Just like Gay marriage which I am against and people have voted against it for the most part
I want to live in a free society where one can be for example against drinking drunk driving morally speaking but not for prohibition although many lives would be saved if no alcohol we know the law would not work from historical experience
So Abortion should stay legal
Tough balance living in a free society but one we hopefully will struggle with forever
January 9th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I disagree with the entire premise that there is some special magical career path that somehow ‘prepares’ one for the job of president.
It’s a silly flawed premise that only rose its head when the GOP were trying to run their old fossil of a Washington insider against a young, dynamic intellectual. Or when the Clinton machine was trying to spin Hilary as somehow more ‘qualified’ and ‘experienced’ than Obama.
And because Obama is very much less of an ‘old-hat’ than those opponents, suddenly we’re hearing all this carp about what the best “qualifications are”.
And suddenly the whole country is imagining the perfect resume for the job, as if the President of the United States is applying to manage a Wal-mart – There ARE no set rules of “best previous experience” for what is in fact a unique, one-of-a-kind position, with no true parallels in either civilian, military or government fields.
And believing that there is some magical career path necessary, shows a lack of understanding of the actual details of the job.
How about honesty? Intelligence? Integrity? And yes, the abibilty to inspire a nation, to get elected, and then to go and compile a bipartisan and effective staff.
To bring all parties to the table. Church AND science. Right AND left. To be FAIR…
Something the US has certainly not had for a while, has she…?
January 9th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
I can’t believe I’m about to say this…but I absolutely agree with you FROSTY…
aahhhh…my head hurts now…
;)
January 9th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
A bipartisan staff??? That is quite a stretch isn’t it Frosty?
I think being in some form of executive position really helps ones resume when runnig for President. Sarah Palin was the executive of the State of Alaska. She does have more experience running a government than Obama. But, like I have said since, I am praying that the Obama administration does America good. After all, isn’t that what being the President is about? Do what is right for America, under the Constitution.
January 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
It’ll pass Jared. I am speaking from experience. lol
January 9th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
“Let our record speak for itself”??!? I cannot believe she actually said that.
A record of economic collapse, insane foreign wars, America being hated across the world, the rich getting ridiculously richer while the middle class disappears and the poor get poorer …
YOUR RECORD DID SPEAK FOR ITSELF AND ITS WHY THE RIGHT WAS TROUNCED ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
January 9th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Ms Palin would have been a disaster of course, we all agree on that, surely, but it was not because she was “stupid” per se, it was more a type of ignorance…not really her fault.
And the whole family values thing, well, who hasn’t got the odd unmarried kid, drug dealers in the family/friends circle, that sort of thing, so what?
It’s boring in the long winters and a little “mother’s lil’ helper’ never hurt anyone, did it?
The only thing that smells a bit, though, is how the local law enforcement held off any investigation until after the campaign? What’s with that?
And, again, the troopergate thing…what’s with that?
You know?
January 9th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Paling Who!! Oh Paling , the stake. Well, my friend, Mc had a Palinectomy exactely 2 months and 5 days ago. And he says “no more experimenting with a Paling because I still can not seat properly”.So follow the advise of your leader ; no more Paling; Enough! Basta!
January 9th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
The argument concerning Obama verus Palin can go on and on. However, the fact remains that the American people have spoken. Whether you like it or not they have elected Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Remember:”May the best man win.”
January 9th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Imagine HUSSEIN, now go and obsess over that for the next four years!
January 9th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
I will keep on attacking Palin,blago,Jefferson,Stevens and Craig. Look,the lady was told not to go SNL,but she did. Those interviews where fair. Palin keeps on sticking herself. All she needs to do is lay back for awhile. Forget the lime light for now. I think she is a smart lady. Alot of people like her. If Palin remains in the spotlight,atleast move on. Quit blaming and learn from her mistakes and she could end up being the front runner in 2012. Jared,i read some of your post before. You attack as well and vile at times. Teenage girls getting blasted on this site becoming welfare moms. If you are holding a high office like Palin,you would not let your daughter go out with a high school drop out that has parents selling high power pain pills. That,s a fair attack. You don,t run a state and try to sale a senate seat. You don,t place 95,000 in a freezer and pick a date from a bathroom stall as well JARED.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Exactly Susan.
The way that the far right tried to use the middle name ‘Hussein’ as some sort of derogatory term was an embarrasment to both the Radio and TV hosts that started it, and their listeners who waddled around parroting them…”
And the funniest part is when they’re defending it, they say “Whaddya mean?…I’m just using his middle name, whaddya mean?” as if they actually think they’ve pulled off something clever and effective by using it,
LOL
January 9th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
The most puzzling aspect of the latest Palin whine fest is her saying that she was exploited by Tina Fey. Well, if that was the case WHAT was she doing appearing on SNL?? Did her desire for the limlight get the best of her? Was she willing to exploit herself? If so, then why complain if others exploit her?
January 9th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Nice post Susan and Badmrfrosty. I do not hate Palin. This just keeps on putting her foot in her mouth for life. What gets me,conservertives blast teenage girls getting pregnat,but Sarah Palin holding a high office letting her daughter date a high school drop out. The very policies Palin holds about self reliance and good morals baffles me. Her daughter is pregnat by a guy that has parents selling high powerfull pain pills. Judgement is the issue and all Palin is doing is pointing blame.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
The most puzzling aspect of the latest Palin whine fest was her complaint of being exploited by Tina Fey. If indeed she felt exploited, why did she appear on SNL? Did her desire for the limelight get the best of her? If she was willing to exploit herself why should she complain if she is exploited by others?
January 9th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Hmmm i guess a gotcha question only works if ya gets got. sounds rite to me. Poor Sarah she wasn’t smart enough to answer a question. well thank you media for having standards.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
By the way BMF… 2 words Michel Onfray! good stuff
January 9th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
If she wants to remain in the lime light, do the oppsite. She doesn,t realize how much mileage she got from SNL. The moose skit was great. Palin would haved gain more by saying i made mistakes and going back to SNL to defused bad press instead of using the RUSH THE LIPS play book,the liberal media.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Don’t know why this posted twice? Palin also stated that when Obama said that his family was off limits, the media respected his wishes.Well, I don’t think it was that the media respected his wishes, but that there was basically nothing to report about his family. Now that the girls have started school there has been coverage of the family. And there will be media coverage of his family in the future. Palin has put herself in the spotlight. Whether it is right or wrong she has also put her future son in law out there too. It was she who presented him during her campaign, and now that it appears that there are issues relating to him she want to take it all back.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
She also whined that the campaign wouldn’t let her talk to the media, now she’s whining that they made her do the Couric interviews.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
True, and blaming will only keep the negitived aspects of her in the news.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
The proof that Palin was treated unfairly by the media is now apparent with the Caroline Kennedy for senator situation. Kennedy comes across like a clueless school girl and has no credentials whatsoever. She’s not in the same league as Palin, yet she seems to sail right thru unscathed.
January 10th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Kennedy would be appointed to represent ONE state by a governor until the election, while Palin was running to be POTENTIALLY the president of the US.
January 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
The proof that Palin was treated unfairly by the media is now apparent with the Caroline Kennedy for senator situation.
One would expect more attention to be paid to a national candidate up for election than an appointed Senator.
January 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Blissful, so when Rush Limbaugh in his TV show said there is a now dog in the White House and showed a picture of Chelsea Clinton, that was all right with you?
For the record I have a LOT of problems with Sarah Palin, the least of which is her knocked-up daughter. She couldn’t tell what newspapers and magazines she normally reads. Why was that? Did she need a green light from the GOP?
Bear in mind the candidacy was for Vice President of the United States, not a dog catcher. This is a serious position to be in. And ALL of us, conservative, liberal, moderate, whatever, have to MAKE SURE the person we elect is capable of the position of power. If McCain Palin were elected and McCain bit the big one, we’d have her as President. And THAT is a dangerous situation to be concerned about. Palin is part of the Jacob’s Army/ Dominionism sect of Christianity that wants to make America a Christian Theocracy. Say goodbye to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Jared– The Bible has some good moral points bit it also has some nasty stuff it condones. Read the Old Testament where it talks about killing people of other religions, about a father selling his daughter into sexual slavery, about how if a woman is raped and she doesn’t cry out she is to marry her rapist, about how in Sodom the father who protected his two ” angelic” house guests from the mob by sending his daughter out to the mob the be gang raped and killed. The OT also talks about the armies of Gideon and Moses, after massacring whole towns, killing babies, kept ” virgin” women for themselves. Guess what they did to their female ” property”. I never could reconcile the New Testament claims of this ” god” being merciful and loving with the OT god who was a blood thirsty murderous tyrant. a ” holy book” that condones slavery, genocide and raping women is not ” holy” to me.
Fetus lovers- ” pro-lifers’. George Carlin had a good observational piece on the so-called pro-life people. He said in effect that they ” care” so much for the unborn but don’t give a crap AFTER the baby is born, No support for Head Start and so forth.
Um is right. When a discussion turns into the abortion and Bible stuff it’s time to move on. I’ve seen a number of ” pro-lifers” twist EVERYTHING into relating to abortion.
As for Obama being in a Muslim School, so what? Did you notice the Time article where he shows in his hands what he carries around? How about that Hanuman charm, folks? Or the Catholic saint charm?
Hey, there’s an idea. a President who has been acquainted with more than one religion. Gosh, you’d think by the conservatives that the only religion allowed in America is Christianity. Since I’m Pagan obviously to them I am NOT an American.
January 10th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
she sure does whine a lot – I agree. Nothing is ever her fault. Ever.
January 10th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Heeeyyyy MOE…Would YOU like a little cheese to go with your WHINE??!!!!!
January 12th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Willy, how are your chestNUTS cracking on that open fire?
January 16th, 2009 at 3:40 pm