Liberaland Hits A Million
January 13th, 2009, 11:13 AM EST
Sometime during the past 24 hours, we had our millionth hit since quietly launching a bit more than a year ago. And we’ve had 575,000 unique visitors. We began with one or two hundred a day, and we’ve expanded our reach considerably. Thank you very much for being a part of this site, whether you are a regular commenter, a visitor to the chat stream, or just someone who enjoys reading the posts. We’d like like to add features that will serve you better going forward so, as always, we welcome your thoughts and suggestions.
Three cheers for W. Alan B. Colmes! I love Wikipedia…
January 13th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Our little website (for those of us here since day one and before) is growing up. Congrats Alan!!
January 13th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Aha! Very well Mr. Colmes! Fun page you run. Keeps me from doing my work all day.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Who was the 1,000,000 th?
Ozark Willy?
Um, No Cara?
6-gun Jared?
Pills-full conservative?
Old “Groucho Marxist” Lefty?
T*RDO?
KPFAMKPFF (or whatever it is)?
C’mon guys, fill us in!
Is there a prize?
Maybe a “get one limb, finger or toe sewed back on for free” card…?
January 13th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Congratulations! I’m one of those more recent “unique visitors” and happy to be here. I would have to say that I enjoy that you don’t feel the need to write 1000 words in every post. Makes it much more readable than many other blogs, who feel the need to reiterate every single fact about any particular issue every time they bring it up.
Plus the hate mail section makes me happy (in a cruel sort of way). Reminds me that there are fairly angry and rude people on both sides of the aisle.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
CONGRATS and Keep up the good work Alan! Let’s see.
MORE contests, better prizes (no prize for the millionth hit Alan? cmon…a copy of your wifes book? ding ding ding.)
MORE caption contests particularly.
LOVE the occasional music videos as background for your hate mail (sorry), could link to other funky tunes for various posts/moods ala TGIF!
Liberal’s ok, but isn’t the direction really Progressive? Reflect.
January 13th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
“”Reminds me that there are fairly angry and rude people on both sides of the aisle.”‘
Yes, Aaron, there are. But here’s the difference in a nutshell, as least it’s how I see it…see if you agree;
“Liberals” are angry about things that are bad for the world…
“Conservatives” are angry about things that are bad for themselves.
Welcome to Liberaland, Aaron, please take a seat, it gets a little ‘bumpy’ at times…
:-)
January 13th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
BAd,
So you think ALL liberals are good, and all conservatives are bad?
Just another x-ample of your one-sided, closed-minded, full of hot air, propaganda filled far left liberal hooey pooey.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
“”So you think ALL liberals are good, and all conservatives are bad?”"
No, but I thought it was a good generalization, didn’t you?
I mean, what’s the REAL reason you don’t support universal health care? Because you’re afraid you might have to pay a bit more tax, isn’t it?
Invade a few less countries to fulfil biblical prophesies and ‘manifest destiny’?
Maybe a healthier population means someone will rise up and take your job/house/big screen TV?
Boohoo
What POSSIBLE reason could a self-proclaimed ‘christian’ have for wanting to deny fair and equal care for all Americans, including the least among you?
Unbelievable, really.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
BAd,
I don’t support universal healthcare because I stated and posted study after study after study that correlate socialized healthcare with POOR healthcare.
Free doesn’t equal good
January 13th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
here we go with another big C christian tirade…
January 13th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Liberaland Hits A Million
Gratz, Alan! It’s always fun.
January 13th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Badmrfrosty, you’re spouting a lot of nonsense.
Conservatives are only angry about things that are bad for themselves? Does abortion affect me one bit? Not one smidgen. But I think abortion is so very fundamentally morally wrong (more than “regular” murder, more than questionable wars, more than poverty, etc.) that I speak against it. If we can’t protect nascent life, where is our moral basis for protecting other life?? How is that benefiting me, other than improving my conscience?
You know, I’m actually quite liberal on abortion, since the stare decisis crap or whatever it’s called would tend to preserve Roe v. Wade. You abortion people do realize that you are selecting yourselves out since mothers who are pro-abortion kill off progeny that would have likely been for abortion anyway. Ironic.
January 13th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
ALAN, SUGGESTION: Create a message board. As much as I love these threads, once they “leave the page” they are hard to find. Discussions/arguments can’t necessarily be continued easily. Some sort of message board would allow for discussions on any topic…you could even create threads nightly on certain key topics. Pose a question and let people go to town.
That would allow people to search other people’s comments, comment further, resurrect old but appropriate topics, etc. It would make commenting and carrying on dialogue MUCH more user friendly. People would have to register and it would allow some sort of rudimentary identity tracking. I think that’s the biggest thing that your site is lacking.
Much admiration and continued success from a hardcore conservative.
(And I figured an obligatory anti-abortion post from me was appropriate in this thread.)
January 13th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Welcome. I’m not sure, but I might be your first commentor, or one of the earliest.
WFG aka Eff25
January 13th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I hope the site fails miserably Alan.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
I have been here since the beginning (everyone kiss my feet) and I can’t think of any quick improves because the site is already so great!
Thanks so mush for doing this site Alan & Co. Ever noticed how it’s the same bunch commenting all the time? Well we keep coming back becaause this site is so great.
Liberland has become its own community in the net.
January 13th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
The big improvement that could be made would be real discussion forums (as has already been mentioned).
Please think seriously about that one!
January 13th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
“I hope the site fails miserably Alan. Posted by Joe”
LOL, what a moron! Why is he adding to one million hits and even adding to the comments section if he wants the site to fail. That’s like buying the podcast subscription and saying at the same time “I hope Alan goes off the air”
Pretty stupid. Did you know I don’t go to Hot Air or National Review except to track a story. I don’t add to their daily hits for just this kind of reason.
I’ve said it before here in Liberaland and I’ll say it again:
Every hit you put on a hate site or a BS site is a vote of approval of what they do over there. That’s why I visit ALAN.COM all the time. I like it.
BBS message board! Genius! I never thought of that as a suggestion. That and premium members getting some kind of benefit on the site. That’s it.
Oh yeah, kick Joe right in the balls for me. That too.
January 13th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Right on ,peace and congrats Alan.
January 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Congratulations Alan. I just want to add my two cents worth.
CONSERVATIVE AND PROUD!!
January 13th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I am CONSERVATIVE and a CHRISTIAN, and pro-life and anti-big government. And I like liberaland.
January 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Not to make a big deal of it, but pro-life also means anti-war and anti-capital punishment. Ron Paul was a true pro-lifer.
January 13th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Whoop whoop!
January 13th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Woo, my comments started a conversation! Call me an optimist, but I believe that the majority of both sides believe that they are aiming for the country’s best interests. That people can be so different on what they think is best is a credit toward the complexity of the issues involved.
I should also add that I am happy these comments are not moderated for content in relation to the left or right. And it seems like the people who post here are somewhat closely divided politically, which means the commentary isn’t just bashing one side or the other (meaning it’s actually worthwhile to read them). A man of conviction has no reason to hide, or something like that.
As for nationalized health care as it relates to Christianity, as a Christian, I see my responsibility as a personal one; that I should assist those personally that I can–that I am responsible for my neighbor. I don’t think everybody else in the country should share that responsibility unless they choose to. The essence of Christianity, in one sense, is willful submission to a higher cause. So while I would consider the need to help those in trouble to be a Christian tenant, forcing others to do the same doesn’t line up. I know I can’t do much, and that others can do so much more, but it is their money, and what they do with it should not be under my control.
January 13th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Be careful Aaron. Some on this blog are very intolerant of Christians and their beliefs.
I do believe what you just posted makes sense to me, and are my beliefs also. Good to have you here.
January 13th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Willy and Aaron,
Based on that same logic, are you guys against forcing folks to contribute to pay for public schools too?
January 13th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
See Um… this christian crap starts from the right. I cant help myself sometimes.
January 13th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
I am for school vouchures. The obama’s are sending their kids to private school, so everyone else should have that option too.
January 13th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
TDRO
Some wars are necessary like it or not. Big difference between adults going to war and an adult using tools to suck a defenseless infant from a woman’s body.
And I don’t recall ever stating my stance on the death penalty.
January 13th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Congratulations!!LIBERAL LAND!!I miss H&C already?Good Luck,in your future endeavors Alan…
January 13th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Congratulations Alan! I have enjoyed this site SO much! I know I have been a bit hard on Blissful C. recently and I have a confession to make. The reason I currently live in a small town is because of women like Blissful C. I know this sounds a bit strange and yes in their younger years they can drive a person quite crazy. Yet, when they become the white haired matrons of a small town, you cannot purchase a better security system for your home, when gone and they are not afraid to march over if they see any hanky panky going on or call the police. Must be all the early training policing other people’s shopping carts. Thanks Alan for the memories and the joy. Cheers to all as we exit 8 yrs. of conservative HE double toothpicks!
January 13th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Deborah,
You really are full of yourself aren’t you?? I can assure you I am not white haired, nor am I impressed by your pointless blathering.
January 13th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
I didn’t think you were white haired, Yet! I’m not impressed by your pointless blathering either but keep it up. If all conservatives sound like you and make the same arguments as you, the Democrats are in for a long run!After the last eight years, I couldn’t be happier if the hold the power for the next 100 yrs. Cheers to a better future for our children and grandchildren. Hope you find some kindness in your heart by the time you become a white haired Matron!
January 13th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
“Some wars are necessary like it or not. Big difference between adults going to war and an adult using tools to suck a defenseless infant from a woman’s body.”
You mean like the unnecesary war in Iraq? So killing defenseless men, women and children is okay? The difference between you and me is I support the troops, not the war. I want them home where they’re safe. You support them by cheerlead them right onto the battlefield. But then why should you care? It’s not your ass on the line.
And before you start accusing others of “being full of themselves” I suggest you look in the mirror.
January 13th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
“Hope you find some kindness in your heart by the time you become a white haired Matron!”
Posted by Deborah,MN
If Blissful showed any kindness or compassion, I think it would kill her.
January 13th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Deborah,
Funny, my argument must have made quite an impression on you because that blog was weeks ago and you still remember what I said? Let’s see, you were taking up for folks using food stamps who could work and I was talking about young folks who are able bodied filling their carts using their EBT card and walking out to their brand new car all the while granny and grandpa who REALLY NEED THE FOOD STAMPS don’t get what they need.
If you have a problem with my position I really don’t care. I am for people who REALLY NEED IT getting it, instead of the constant conning of the system that occurs.
January 13th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
TDRO,
You know your whole schtick is blame the conservatives, blame the christians, blame bush, don’t blame the dems, personally attack, don’t blame the dems, don’t acknowledge dems make mistakes, blame george bush, blame “them” some more.
Did you vote for obama??? If you did, if you believe in his “dream” for change, then maybe you should follow his advice and quit playing the party fiddle?????
this is really old but here we go again. People who support the war do NOT want soldiers dying. I don’t know why that is so hard for you to grasp.
So you and Deb from MN keep it up. keep pointing fingers and blaming ONLY conservatives that the sun doesn’t shine just how you want it. It is pretty pathetic
January 13th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
“”You abortion people do realize that you are selecting yourselves out since mothers who are pro-abortion kill off progeny that would have likely been for abortion anyway.”"
??
What kind of nonsense is this?
And what, exactly, is an “abortion person”?
It DOES strike me as somewhat odd though, that anti-choice conservatives seem to be so pre-occupied with the ‘rights’ of an un-born fetus, and yet seem to not give a tinker’s damn about them as adults…
Ridiculous.
“”The essence of Christianity, in one sense, is willful submission to a higher cause…”"
I just simply can not imagine anything more unpleasant.
January 13th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
What really is pathetic is a conservative spending day in and day out on a liberal web site. Do these people have a need to be punished? Are they suffering from anger control issues? Do they feel the need to control others because their lives are otherwise out of control?
January 13th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Bad,
You can be tried for a double homicide if you murder a pregnant woman and it results in the death of her “fetus” as you like to call it.
And you have a right as an adult. The right to choose to NOT have sex period unless you want to do with the possibility of an unplanned pregnancy because there is only 1 form that si 100% effective.
January 13th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Susan,
What is really pathetic is a bunch of liberals who OnLy want to hear “attaboy” “you are soooo right” ” I couldn’t have said it better myself” ‘you are so right deborah” “we are so great” “we are the best” “right on frosty” “great point everyone”
Believe it or not most folks on both sides of the aisle ARE curious about what the other side thinks and enjoy a healthy debate.
Too bad that hasn’t caught on with everyone.
Is that the kind of country you want to live in too????
January 13th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
I welcome criticisms of the way I act out on my faith; I think we can all do a bit better. I think I understand why many people blame Christianity for some of the problems with the country: because some of the problems in the country can be traced back to Christians.
The issue of schooling is quite different in function and form, and it’s difficult to compare it to health care. Yet, I am philosophically inclined to stand by my position, although that would be generally impossible to do with the way our system currently runs now. I could imagine how an education system could function and function well if one were started from the ground up, fresh, with a fairly different approach. However, that’s too far removed from reality and too complex to post about here. It seems that, in general, private schools outperform public ones by significant margins. If we are to assume that this is because of the quality of the schooling (and not the quality of the students), then it would seem logical to try and push education further into private hands, since they seem to be doing a better job of it.
But that’s not really what you asked now, is it? I could keep to the logic, but would suggest that it doesn’t necessarily apply here. I haven’t checked numbers on it (not sure who would poll on this), but I’d imagine that around 90% of the country supports the government institution of education. Numbers for the government institutionalizing health care are not close to this. And I would have to say there is a difference between a small majority (if that is what it is; I really don’t know) forcing a fairly large minority to pay money for this or that and a massive majority making a tiny minority fork over the dough.
There are philosophical issues there as well, like at what percent of the population do you need to support paying for something before you make them do it? But this post is going on too long :)
January 13th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Deborah, funny post.
I remember a few years back when I drove across Canada in my old ‘69 Ford (black) and after 7 days when I arrived in Nova Scotia, it was 5 AM, and not wanting to disturb my retired parents, I parked across the street at the Post Office to wait until dawn.
A few minutes later 2 RCMP cars came screeching up to me, lights and sirens blazing, and jumped out, guns drawn… !!
Anyway, after a few minutes of panic and producing my ID, a quick search of my car, etc….all was sorted out, with an apology from the officers…
…Apparently a “concerned citizen” (which later turned out to be the nosey old paper lady, sniffing around in the wee hours) had called police and reported an “awful looking young man with greasy long hair and an unkempt beard, in a ‘hearse’ (It’s an old black T-bird and it DOES have the chrome landau swipe, lol) with a “foreign plate” (British Columbia!) and finally that she had witnessed me “breaking into mailboxes” and “stealing people’s mail”…
Fortunately for me, the cops had a great sense of humour about these old busy-body types…
Fortunately for the cops, so do I!
Cheers D,
Keep’er safe
January 13th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Frosty –
I’ve been saying that all along; but they don’t really even wait until they get to adulthood to not care about them. I love how these “pro-life” fanatics are literally obsessed with the fetus, but once that baby is actually born they don’t give a crap about it anymore.
You know, never wanting to support social programs, not approving children’s health care plans, that whole survival of the fittest – pull yourself up by your boot straps mentality. But their such nice people to love those fetuses.
My point…I don’t like the thought of abortion anymore than the next person, I’m just asking that people care about the baby as much when it’s born as they do as a fetus. Of course conservatives will deny this, but their actions say it all.
January 13th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Yeah,
No churches ever have parishoners who take in children, there are no conservatives who adopt babies, no churches run orphanages, no churches run adoption agencies.
You are so right danielle and every conservative is so wrong. How could I have been so blind. We all just turn our bakcs on those poor “fetuses” as you like to call them.
January 13th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
“”And you have a right as an adult. The right to choose to NOT have sex period unless you want to do with the possibility of an unplanned pregnancy because there is only 1 form that si 100% effective.”"
Sure you have that right.
And, in the free world you have the right to terminate that pregnancy if your other method fails as well.
Viva la liberte!
Good post Aaron, although I believe that most Americans DO support universal health care coverage for all, as long as the poll question is asked fairly, e.g. not by Faux News.
As far as private schools ‘outperforming’ public schools, well that is simply a matter of them having the better resources, AND for the most part, students from wealthier backgrounds where they have had FAR more role models of academia and success in their lives.
They have had the advantage, usually, of a more stable home life, room and quiet to study etc etc.
It is an issue close to my heart, in fact, but too wide a topic to get into here, you’ll agree.
But the solution, in my mind is NOT to privatise more schools…there are plenty enough already. And certainly not to divert public funds to subsidize exclusive schools!
January 13th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
There is a distinct difference between healthy, intelligent, sane, debating and angry, bitter arguing, just for the sake of arguing. Most conservatives found on this web site are here for one specific reason: an argument. Many left after the election. The ones remaining are the really angry ones.
January 13th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Thanks Bad. Great story. God love um. Susan your my kind of Liberal. I keep wondering when Blis works. Can’t help it, my mind just works that way! But I think you hit on it, the control issue with conservatives. Well just got loaded and have to go. Hope we don’t hit that black ice up here! You stay safe too badmfrosty! Signed AKG my handle= A$$ Kicking Grandma
January 13th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
POSTED BY BADMRFROSTY
I THOUGHT WE WERE TIGHT!
January 13th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Susan
I am not angry at all. I have said more than once I wish obama the best, and I will wait and see what kind of president he is.
Too bad YOU and many others are NOT as open-minded. Am I staunch in many of my views? YES. Do I stand firm in my morals? YES. Everyone should. Too bad many liberals on here refuse, REFUSE to say ANY democrat has EVER done anything bad. EVER. It is pretty pathetic.
If you were talking about a liberal you would say they were passionate. You call us angry.
Do I think George Bush is perfect? NO. But I don’t think he is a war criminal OR the worst president ever.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
“”My point…I don’t like the thought of abortion anymore than the next person, “”
Of course not, you are right. It can be a traumatic experience for the strongest of women. Which is why it always horrifies me to hear anti-choice extremists accuse women of using abortion, flippantly, as a means of birth control! As if any women would choose that route if it wasn’t the last resort!
And the biggest irony, Danielle, is how religious fundamentalsts say that ‘life begins at conception’…and then they turn around and condemn birth control as well!!! HAHAHA
Good grief!
And the worst “Christian” of all must be the ‘pope’ in Rome, it really has to be. Here is a man, worshipping a homeless guy whilst living in a billion dollar castle…who tells poor women in the third world that birth control is a deadly sin (Evvvery sperm is sacrrred, fa la la….)…
…so what do they do? They can’t afford to get pregnant, have no access to family planning anyway, thanks to religion and so they turn to anal sex because it’s “less” of a sin!
Of course we know the effect that has had on HIV transmission in Africa and Haiti, two very religious countries, don’t we?
Sometimes I wish there WAS a hell…
January 13th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
KPFAMKPFF (or whatever it is)?
POSTED BY BADMRFROSTY
I THOUGHT WE WERE TIGHT!
hahaha, where did I post that? I thought it was funny!
In fact i got a couple names to add!
January 13th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
POSTED BY BLISSFULCONSERVATIVE
I thought Hillary did something bad when she criticized Obama unfairly during the primary (but I forgave her after her speech at the convention).
Does that count?
January 13th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Bad,
The reality is there are women who use abortion as birth control. Some women have 5, 6, 7 or more abortions. FACT
It isn’t just religious fundamentalists who believe life begins at conception. There are MD’s who agree. And I don’t know what circles you run in, but there are millions of christians who use birth control.
You blame everything on religion, the U.S. and George Bush (yawn)
January 13th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Hey… I was proud to make the list.
The best post name I’ve seen on here is “Furypus”… sounds like a Bond girl.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Blissful: You need to go back and read your posts. You are indeed an angry, bitter, defensive, sarcastic individual. You are here for one purpose and one purpose alone, the argument. You do not wish the president elect the best. You need to say that now because you don’t want to admit, even to yourself that you are as bitter as you appear.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
come on pfkam. You can be more open-minded than that. what about obama’s newest BAD HORRIBLE pick to be over the IRS??
who is vetting these people??
January 13th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
susan,
do you know how bitter you and others appear?? You basically said conservatives shouldn’t be here. You said we were pathetic.
Can’t be more sarcastic than that now can we? Like I said, when YOU or another liberal says something you are passionate, when it is a conservative they are angry.
Whatever. Next.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Yeah… I’ll give you that one, Bliss.
You gotta be able to manage your own taxes before you can oversee the IRS.
See… I’m fair.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
” when YOU or another liberal says something you are passionate, when it is a conservative they are angry.”
Poor Blissful, always the victim, never the victor. Where’s my violin?
January 13th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
TDRO,
Your posts are like fingernails on a chalkboard.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
“Your posts are like fingernails on a chalkboard.”
I was hoping to have that effect on you.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
“”Too bad many liberals on here refuse, REFUSE to say ANY democrat has EVER done anything bad. EVER. It is pretty pathetic.”"
Who are you talking about Blis?
I, for one have criticised Clinton several times for not fufilling devolpment promises, Carter for failing to tame a wild congress, and waiting too long to start action on ’stagflation’.
And of course, one of the worst ever blunders by a Democratic president was LBJ’s scaling up the bloody and horrific disaster that was Viet Nam!
I think your new catch phrase that “Liberals blame everything on Bush” is silly. That’s not so. And it is even more silly to just sit there and say, well EVERYBODY makes mistakes!
This guy is in a league of his own. Today it came out that more than 9/10 of the history professors in the US (Including Harvard – “the best school in the world!”)
regard him and his blundering administration of cronies as the worst in US history. (Google it)
January 13th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Canadian liberals don’t count.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
“”And I don’t know what circles you run in, but there are millions of christians who use birth control.”‘
I guess I was referring primarily to Roman Catholics, although many defy the Pope and use it…not so much in poor countries where they are still afraid of god though…
And if you proposed that women seeking a second or third abortion had to take some neutral counseling from a compassionate, and unbiased professional, about birth control…I’d be all for it.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
You are here for the wrong reasons. You are not interested in a debate, you are here for an argument. It is pathetic when a person feels the need to argue and control. You can be anywhere you want to be, but you need to ask yourself WHY you want to be here. What need it is fullfilling in you. Are you supressed? Are you unable to express youself in this way in other areas of your life?
January 13th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Ironically I am actually NOT a Liberal in Canada, PKFFAMPKKP, up here I am a (New) Democrat…
And our gov’t is Conservative!
Not for long though, the Prime Minister went to Quebec and referred to artists, musicians and filmakers as:
“”rich elitists” who don’t have anything to do with the “ordinary people” of Canada.”"
So we’re gonna terf him out in a week or too…watch and learn :-)
January 13th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Argue and control?? I am debating with people who want to debate. You need to ask yourself WHY you have a problem with me being here. And why you bring up personal issues rather than sticking to facts??
January 13th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
TDRo
It wasn’t a compliment
January 13th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
I have no problem with you being here, you obviously have a problem being here. You’re angry all the time in your so called debating. It’s understandable that you feel more comfortable with facts than personal issues. You just don’t sound too Blissful to me. Again, you’re not debating you’re arguing.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
She’s here because there’s intelligent discussion going on here. Have you ever visited a right wing site? It’s nothing but a bunch of morons agreeing that liberalism sucks.
POSTED BY SUSAN MARCH
What’s the difference?
January 13th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Thanks for separating the K’s.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Doesn’t sound like a place I want to visit. She simply argues Rep verus Dem, nothing more nothing less. She claims to think health care needs reform, I asked earlier today what her view points were on what could be done to assist that process. Did I get any ideas, nope. Too interested in arguing conservative versus liberal, nothing more nothing less.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
“”Who was the 1,000,000 th?
Ozark Willy?
Um, No Cara?
6-gun Jared?
Pills-full conservative?
Old “Groucho Marxist” Lefty?
T*RDO?
KPFAMKPFF (or whatever it is)?
C’mon guys, fill us in!
Is there a prize?
Maybe a “get one limb, finger or toe sewed back on for free” card…?
hehe
signed
one of my supporters
January 13th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
you scared me there for a sec PKMAFAMP, I save the three K’s for Kregg
January 13th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
…… huh…
I thought she liked the current healthcare system. Oh well… I must have gotten that one mixed up with someone else.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:05 am
HEY! I INVENTED THAT!
Everyone’s gone to bed so just between you and me, what does “BadMrFrosty” mean?
January 14th, 2009 at 12:08 am
LOL google it!
well, originally it was a character in a video game, years ago.
Then in the 90’s I started a hard rock band that eventually became named baD mR fRosTy, but then a few weeks later I got kicked out of my own band for “ruining the songs with all those synthesizer noises!”
So I stole my name back and used it for a solo ‘techno’ gig for a few years.
“”I save the three K’s for Kregg
HEY! I INVENTED THAT!
“”
Yeah that’s right!
And then I thought it was too mean, until i read more of his posts!
I kinda like “pills-full conservative” though, heh heh
And of course it’s not meant to be mean. Just that so many conservatives, while they despise pot and mushrooms etc….LOVE their “Limbaugh’s lil’ helpers”.
Lol
January 14th, 2009 at 12:40 am
Jeez, I just google it…I had no idea there’s so many other bMf’s out there.
grrr, time to send some fake cease and desist letters…
What’s a PFKAM?
January 14th, 2009 at 12:42 am
Blissful -
Of course I know there are many individuals, families and churches that are conservative, Republicans – and yes they do wonderful things for many disadvantaged children.
My comments were meant for the Republican party as a whole. Surely, you can’t deny the long history of the party for their slashing funding to social programs. I’ll give you a warning, if you by chance don’t know all the inns and outs of their record regarding policies to support social program, then you may just want to bow out now. I have pages of documentation of it.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:49 am
Poster Formerly Known As Mark
I’m not into fake identities but a another Mark showed up on this site a few weeks ago… a neo con Mark. It was totally ruining my street cred.
I hate being a PFKAM but I had no choice.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:03 am
You could be:
Non-NeoCon Mark
or
Mark – NOT THE CRAZY ONE
:):)
Goodnight everyone!
January 14th, 2009 at 1:40 am
Street cred is overrated!
Sincerely,
Tupac
January 14th, 2009 at 2:15 am
Your leaving hannity’s show was like a Christmas present to me . Now I can watch Sean’s show without having to listen to Mr. Sanctimonious . I hope Fox News stops running your ads . I cannot stand listening to you for even that brief period of time.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:01 am
I’m a recent arrival too, and glad of it. Congratulations on a great site.
January 14th, 2009 at 7:46 am
danielle,
I don’t doubt they have slashed social programs. I am all for slashing social programs that dont’ require folks to try and help themselves first and foremost. I have said many times that some people really do need help and I believe we should take care of elderly and children. Those children include the ones still in the womb.
January 14th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Susan
I said the healthCARE system isn’t perfect. There aren’t enough nurses or doctors, and there is too much red tape. I also said socialized medicine isn’t the answer.
I said the health INSURANCE business needed reforming(affordable health insurance for folks). They are not one in the same, they are two entities whose business intersects. But they are not one in the same. YOU were the one who said we needed a new healthcare system.
January 14th, 2009 at 8:01 am
As far as private schools ‘outperforming’ public schools, well that is simply a matter of them having the better resources, AND for the most part, students from wealthier backgrounds where they have had FAR more role models of academia and success in their lives.
They have had the advantage, usually, of a more stable home life, room and quiet to study etc etc.
It’s much simpler than that. It’s because they get to pick and choose which students they let it, whereas public schools have to take everyone.
January 14th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Um
You don’t think salary, better educated teachers, more money, more class choices, add to the equation?
January 14th, 2009 at 8:30 am
There is NO ONE who is sick who should be turned away from receiving medical care – regardless of their age. Elderly and children are not the only demographic groups who need health care and/or assistance.
I don’t think increased taxes across the board is the answer… I think the fat-cats at the insurance companies and other lucrative health-care related industries should be knocked off their self-made pedastal and made to pay for the medical care of all those who they deny coverage. How these people sleep at night is beyond me – they’re inhuman is the only thing I can think of.
How can ANYONE think it’s okay to deny coverage to the people who need it the most – the sick! And if by chance they manage to get coverage, the average family can’t afford it! Tell me how/why it’s okay for UHC to tell a young woman – who just came off a group UHC policy – that she is not eligibe for individual coverage because she is on chemotherapy? Then she has to beg for Medicaid because she is sick but not pregnant, and to add insult to injury she dares to have a rare disease not mentioned in their “list of eligible diseases”.
Pardon my tirade, but the current health care system in the greatest country on the planet is disgusting! I don’t care if you’re conservative or liberal – wrong is wrong.
January 14th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Cara,
You ask me something about funding public schools yesterday. I am not against funding public schools. I have not voted yes on a school levy in over 20 years. But I am not contradicting myself here.
What I find appalling is that public education has been taken over by the NEA. They have basically told the taxpaying public school supporters that our educators, and their administors will never be held accountable.
They can spend money hand over fist for who knows what and then come back and whine about not having enough money to run the school.
I remember several years ago our local school campaigning for a new levy. They got teary eyed talking about the “children” who would suffer by not having enough textbooks or computers and that they would have to cut programs and the “children” would suffer greatly. You know what happened? The good people in our district passed their levy. I picked up the local paper a few days later, and on the front page was a story about the administration and teachers gathering and trying to figure out how much of a raise they were going to give themselves over the next three years. Where are the “children” now. They never purchased textbooks or computers with the money.
Get this, 85 per cent of our school tax dollars go towards administrative costs, wages, benefits, etc. That leaves 15 per cent to buy books, computers, and other needs for education, and for maintinence and general upkeep of the buildings, and fuel for transportation.
They are no better than the Federal Government when it comes to spending taxpayer money.
January 14th, 2009 at 8:44 am
rise,
I will say again healhcare and health insurance are two different things. Who denied her care? The INSURANCE COMPANY
January 14th, 2009 at 8:44 am
You don’t think salary, better educated teachers, more money, more class choices, add to the equation?
Yes Bliss, those are big contributors too. But even in the public school system, where there are things like magnet schools, that pick and choose the students, they perform better.
However, they things you mention have much more to do with the better performance of private schools than the fact that the kids who go to them are rich. Your points are all good ones -in that particular post, I don’t want to get carried away here ;^)
January 14th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Bliss,
I will say again healhcare and health insurance are two different things. Who denied her care? The INSURANCE COMPANY
Umm… So it’s just the insurance company that denied her care? Her doctors that were treating her prior to her losing her insurance will still treat her, gratis?
I’m sure Rise’ and her daughter will be glad to hear that. How silly of them to be concerned, eh?
January 14th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Rise,
Anybody who is sick or in need of medical care in the US is not denied medical care. NO ONE.
What you are suggesting is socialism. I have seen several ads on tv where and individual or family can buy into health coverage at a very reasonable price, even with pre medical conditions. It is out there for them. National health care is not the answer.
January 14th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Um,
Some would yes, depending on where she is. St. Jude children’s hospital treats children regardless of ability to pay, as does the shriner’s burn center. There is also Detroits Henry Ford Center, McLaren healthcare, memorial medical center in las cruces new mexico, there are a lot of medical centers that offer cancer treatments, and other treatments regardless of ability to pay. memorial health care systems has multiple hospital locations, and there is even a trauma center named erlanger that offers care regardless of ability to pay.
I saw a story on GMA this morning about a young lady who received excellent medical care with regard to an infection she got that required bilateral amputation about the knee. Her insurance company denied her the type of prosthetics she needed because they were too expensive. She received care, but the insurance company gave her grief.
GMA got involved and now she has them, because the state stepped in and over-ruled the insurance comapnie’s claim that they were experimental.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/support/financial-assistance
January 14th, 2009 at 9:08 am
This sums it up better than I can, and hopefully it might help someone looking for care who can’t afford it.
“Metropolitan areas have hospitals that are designated as trauma centers. These hospitals must accept patients regardless of whether they are insured or have the ability to pay. The treatment must be one of necessity and the patient must be admitted through emergency room or the clinic services department. Likewise metropolitan areas have publicly funded clinics and hospitals for persons who qualify under the age, income status, etc. requirements. Please contact the state health department or the family services division in the area of residence for specific information”
from Wiki
January 14th, 2009 at 9:11 am
So guys, why do you keep arguing that if we have universal coverage the wait times will go up? If everyone is already getting coverage, there isn’t any pent up demand for health care, right?
(and apologies if you have already answered, I lost track of where I first asked you that – another reason why real forums would be a great addition to this site)
January 14th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Since the issue of education came up, I am sick and tired of this no child left behind crap. We have chosen to send our daughters to an English/Spanish immersion school. We did our research and besides the kids coming out of 8th grade fully bi-literate in Spanish and English (which is a huge advantage here in Cali) they actually go on to perform much better in High School and College once they get out. The rub is that for the first 5 or 6 years they do fall behind in some of there English testing but they catch up and pass the averages by the 8th grade. Now do to this no child left behind standardized testing they are having to spend a valuable portion of there school day being taught nothing more then how to pass a test.
January 14th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Maybe we should pay the doctors when we are healthy and then they pay us when we get sick. Kooky idea that wouldn’t work but whatever happened to preventative medicine.
January 14th, 2009 at 9:17 am
VERY good point, placefield. My family is lousy with teachers (all in public schools). I have heard quite a bit about this idiotic ‘no child left behind’ crap.
That is another reason private schools do better than public, they don’t spend their whole time teaching the kids one test.
January 14th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I think another problem with education is tenure. I don’t know of any other job where you work for 3 years (roughly) and you are in like flyn regardless of how effective you are. It is almost impossible to let a teacher go after they are tenured. Of course, the NEA would crap if someone suggested we get rid of tenure.
The government crap is rediculous when it comes to public education. My kids are fortunate enough to go to a public school where they are offered computer class, science lab, art class, and music class on a regular basis beginning in Kindergarten. BUT,there is a chance with the new regulations with regard to kids who can’t read well they might actually have to nix science lab to get in an extra 45 minutes a day of reading. In other words, everyone has to suffer because a few are having problems.
UM, I didn’t say folks have universal coverage (meaning healthcare). I said there are options for those who can’t pay, and there are. i am getting ready to read a book “the top 10 myths of american health car” by sally c. pipes. She has done extensive research into our healhtcare system, and some of the things she has found are:
new life-saving meds that go to market immediately in the U.S. take much longer to become available in canada because of bureaucrats
cancer survival rates are higher in the U.S. than in Europe
The Fraser institute in Vancouver did a study and estimated that tens of thousands of canadians look for treatment outside canada, even though the treatment is available in canada
waiting times for surgery are months longer in britain, australia, and canada than in the U.S.
the average uninsured american has above average income, and persons living in poverty are eligible for medicaid (but then she says medicaid has problems too)
Just look at the VA and medicare and medicaid’s problems and you will see that involving government more in healthcare is a scary prospect. (notice I didn’t say health insurance)
January 14th, 2009 at 9:37 am
I agree Bliss, Tenure is a problem. Here it is next to impossible for a new teacher to find a job. It is just totally impacted. Yet there are teachers that are completely untouchable that have no bussiness teaching. I think most of teachers truly care and try but there need to be a way of getting rid of the bad apples.
January 14th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Place said: … whatever happened to preventative medicine.
Place,
Given that our bodies are made of natural materials and require maintenance to prevent disease and deterioration you’d think it imperative that we would practice preventative and natural medicine, wouldn’t you? However, given that western medicine usually treats symptoms rather than systems, and isn’t used until we are already sick (with a symptom) no one will ever be responsible for our health but us.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Willy – I’m not suggesting socialism, I’m suggesting the theives in the insurance industry be pinned up against the wall and held accountable. It is immoral for a fat-cat at UHC to receive in excess of 1 BILLION dollars annually in compensation while human beings are denied healthcare coverage. And guess what, Willy, those nice little ads you see on TV – they won’t cover the $20K per MONTH oral chemo drug. They’re for the middle-of-the-road sorts of health issues.
And Blissful – the health insurance industry is so deeply woven into the health care industry that one can no longer say they are truly separate entities.
Until one has spent 7 years of hell in the health care system – from almost every majoy hospital in Central Ohio to Cleveland Clinic to Mayo Clinic in Rochester – one truly has no basis for judging said system. Trust me when I say – it is flawed!
January 14th, 2009 at 10:08 am
The Fraser institute in Vancouver did a study and estimated that tens of thousands of canadians look for treatment outside canada, even though the treatment is available in canada
And Americans are going places like Thailand for surgery. Is that evidence to you that Thailand has a better health care system than the US?
waiting times for surgery are months longer in britain, australia, and canada than in the U.S.
For Americans with good insurance (or endless cash).
January 14th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Um, do you consider medicare “good” insurance??
And the Fraser Institutes’ point was, the same service they can get for FREE in canada, they are going to the U.S and PAYING for it. ask yourself WHY?
Americans go to thailand for plastic surgery, is that what you are referring to?? It is called “medical tourism”. go on vacation and get that work done you have been wanting. Shhhh, noone will know and it might be cheaper.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Rise,
I don’t doubt that you have problems with insurance companies and I have said many times they should be revamped. I too have dealth with insurance crap in relation to my elderly parents. From home health, to drugs not being covered, etc. to the insurance not wanting to pay for an ambulance ride.
I am sorry you have had issues with your insurance, and many folks do. I think the problem is the insurance companies tell the doctors/hospitals HOW they patient should be treated (hospital stay length, which drugs should be used, etc)
THAT needs to stop in my opinion. Do I think our healthcare system is perfect? NO, but our healthcare system does not need to be socialized.
Do I think every american should have affordable health insurance available to them? YES. And insurance companies need to leave the decision making that lead to the best possible patient outcome to the Doctor.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Um, do you consider medicare “good” insurance??
I consider it far, far, far better than ‘no’ insurance. I consider the insurance I have to be good. I have 100% coverage, on everything, and pay no monthly premium. My interest in universal coverage is for others (and myself, should I lose my job).
Americans go to thailand for plastic surgery, is that what you are referring to?? It is called “medical tourism”. go on vacation and get that work done you have been wanting. Shhhh, noone will know and it might be cheaper.
I was specifically thinking about heart surgery, I read a few articles on it a while back. Yep, the plastic surgery thing is true too – folks also come to Brazil for that.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Hmmm, will have to look into the heart surgery. Hadn’t heard that one.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:42 am
PS Alan.
Institute a 100 word limit on posts.
January 14th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Here in California we have a program called Healthy Families. It is basically a state subsidized insurance program for the children of lower middle class families. I use it for my children and it is cheaper then what I can get them at my work and it is basically the same coverage. With our state budget in the shape it is in I feel that this coverage will not be available to me much longer as they will probably lower the max income level to qualify.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:06 am
TDRo
“It wasn’t a compliment”
Posted by blissfulconservative
I know. I don’t care.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Blissful:
like you would ever compliment a liberal
hahahahahahahahhahahaha.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
What an absolute disgrace, and embarassment it must be for some lower-income citizens of the wealthiest country in the world (by far), to have to depend on charities, church-funded hostels (a bible in every room! you can pray for a quick death) and over-crowded understaffed ERs for their health care.
And all this, just at the very last moment. What about preventative care? What about regular and thorough check-ups? Including every 6 months for children? What about nutritional advice from a dedicated professional? The list goes on …and it.s no wonder America has such a high survival rate for cancer…it’s because without all these things you have a higher rate to start with!
And to come on here and read such nonsense from supposedly ‘compassionate consevatives’ including quotes from the ultra-right wing user-capitalist Fraser Insititute as some sort of fair critique of national insurance, is mind-boggling!
I’m so sorry, Rise, that you have to read about how your story is ‘an execption’ when in fact there are MILIIONS of Americans going without full comprehensive health care, and IT IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE.
We will see how the productivity, life expectancy, infant mortality rate and general well-being of your populace soars over the next generation or 2 when national coverage is finally brought im after 50 years of attempts by BOTH parties…including even Nixon!
Saying that all Americans have excelleny health care by going to a charity hospital in a far-awy city, packing in like sardines in a state-funded ‘mission’ hospice…or trying to get a cat-scan for your child’s frequent head-aches IN AN ER??!
All the while, your politicians, your wealthy (often by birth, always by luck of birth if it’s a child!) and even your murderers and rapists are getting the best doctors, the best nurses, the best equipment, the best treatments!!
Thank goodness that many on here, even some conservatives, are not afraid to speak out. You represent the best of your peers, don’t worry there are 250,000,000 more of you!
And for those that continue to defend the indefensible, tying to turn equal health care for ALL Americans into some ridiculous “socialist vs. capitalist” debate in order to protect what you think you have, you are a disgrace to your nation, humanity, and your God.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Bad,
As far as you are concerned NO study that says socialized healthcare is bunk is credible.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
“”Bad,
As far as you are concerned NO study that says socialized healthcare is bunk is credible.”"
For one thing BILS, no one in the field of health care management uses the term “socialized” care. It’s a derogatory term invented by right-wing conservatives who prefer the system the way it is. They get some of the best care in the world and they don’t want to share with unpleasant po’ folk.
So right off the bat that tells me that any study that calls universal health insurance (Canada), or a gov’t funded national health service (UK)…any study that would refer to it as ’socialized’ or ’socialist’ is clearly going to be ridiculously partisan and filled with BS …
And any study that called the top health care in the world, such as in Scandinavia and parts of Europe, “bunk” is just on-line hyperbole and typical conservative carp.
Now if you want to talk about FAIR criticims of some of these systems, fine. but let us follow it up with the solutions that are being implemented. No system is perfect, many Canadians complain about waiting times and over-crowding (we don’t get free private rooms or free TV, we can’t smoke on the property etc etc…)although when I’M really sick I couldn’t care less, could you?
These pale in comparison with the horror stories from the US of people selling their homes, not having a check-up until they are finally so sick they have to drag themselves in, only to fing they have late-stage illness, the list goes on…
I have told you of my positive experiences in our system…and you have a fellow citizen that is trying to tell you of how yours has failed her.
Have some compassion for goodness sake, stop spreading Fraser Institute/Brian Day propaganda. Throw that biased book in the trash where it belongs. Do your OWN research from all sides. And THINK:
—Of COURSE these folks want to set-up a two-tiered system in Canada…one for the poor (public) and one for the rich (private) of COURSE they do….there’d be huge profit in it!
But Canadians say, go make your billions somewhere else, not off the misfortunes of my neighbour…
January 14th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
BM,
You really are jaded aren’t you?? So sorry
January 14th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Hey Frosty:
That was a shot… calling you a “BM”… in case you didn’t notice. That’s what nurses call poo poo.
Sincerely,
Instigator
January 14th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
HEHE
January 14th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
shhhhhhh
January 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
PKFAM is nothing but a no good NARC!
:^p
January 14th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Frosty – thanks for your compassion.
Perhaps I’m ignorant on the whole concept of “socialized” vs. “universal” health care plans. It’s not that I want Blissful or Willy or anyone else to subsidize Amanda’s healthcare. I was raised with the values that you NEVER ask anyone for help, you never take a handout and charity is something you give and never receive. Asking for public-funded help was the most humbling, pride-busting path we’ve ever had to go down.
Before Amanda got sick I was in the same place as Blissful and Willy, but like Paul on the road to Damascus – threw a little Bible in there for our good Frosty friend ;) – my eyes have been opened and there has to be an overhaul of the system – in some way.
All I can say is there but for the grace of God (or fate) goes any one of you.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
That’s OK, I’ve been called worse than poo, believe me… and in several languages on three continents ;-)
RISE, you don’t have to think of universal health coverage as the rich, or the healthy “subsidizing” the health care of others. That’s right-wing concervative phooey. Just like I am not ’subsidizing’ schools ( I have no children), or subsidizing military action (although I am a pacifist) or for that matter the roads, highways and other infrastructue (even though I’ve lived on a boat for many years, lol)
Don’t let cretins like O’Reilly and Hannity make you feel that way. In Canada, health care is not “free”, it is paid for for EVERYONE from the same pool of money.
We are happy to have equality and fairness in our schools, military when it’s needed (we are NOT in Iraq, just Afghanistan, where the terrorists are)…
…and yes we are happy to see equal health care for each other.
It’s one of the unifying forces in our country. It’s something that we stick up for…like some Americans stick up for, erm, reality shows and 8 year-olds in make-up and mini-skirts…anyway, I digress.
I wish you the best of luck with your situation, and I expect that things may well improve on the health care front under this next administration….although I fear that the lack of a strong majority in your senate is going to be a problem.
And remember Rise, it’s the ‘bible’ and the churches and the priests and the new-earth creationists and the cadillac-driving pastors that I have no faith in.
I have never said that I knew for a fact there was no God.
cheers
john
January 14th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Americans stick up for reality tv and 8-year-olds in mini-skirts??
You get your information on American values from reality tv?
January 14th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Posted by Flap:
ALAN, SUGGESTION: Create a message board. As much as I love these threads, once they “leave the page” they are hard to find. Discussions/arguments can’t necessarily be continued easily. Some sort of message board would allow for discussions on any topic…you could even create threads nightly on certain key topics. Pose a question and let people go to town.
I agree Flap! I actually suggested this to Alan when he was asking for ideas for the new site and I was kind of disappointed that it didn’t happen.
At the same time, as one of those people who has been frequenting & commenting since around February or March of 08 (back when it was “Liberal Land” and not “Alan Colmes’ Liberaland” and when it was at the old domain of liberalland.com) it’s been great to see how this site has grown. I remember when it was only me and a handful of others (Flap among them) who commented on Alan’s threads. Now it’s common for threads to get well over 100 comments, and we seem to have picked up quite a few more frequent visitors.
It’s also great to see how the site itself has evolved. I wasn’t around for the Blogspot days, but I remember when this was a simple wordpress.com blog with a generic template that Alan just started on the side to add some life to his clearly aging website.
The only thing I’m surprised about is that Alan has still maintained this site mainly as a hobby and a supplement for his radio show. With all the visitors it gets now and the publicity it gets on national TV and radio, this site has a lot of advertising potential. It would certainly not offend me if Alan decided to go that route (I would have a long time ago!) but I think it shows a lot about Alan’s character that he’s willing to maintain this site seemingly for the fun of it when he can stand to make some decent side cash with it.
May Liberaland continue to grow, and please get to work on that message board idea Alan!
January 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
“I have never said that I knew for a fact there was no God.”
And that, Mr. Frosty, makes my day!
God bless.
Rise’
January 14th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
“You get your information on American values from reality tv?”
No. But they seem to be pretty popular don’t they?
And don’t you agree with me that a culture that is so accepting of the sexualization of children (8 year-olds in make-up and mini-skirts in beauty contests etc etc)
has to expect that sooner or later, some pedophile is going to respond?
This, along with getting tougher on repeat violent young offenders, is one of my very rare conservative leanings. I would have thought we caould have found common ground there?
I should clarify, by “being tough” I mean that young offenders be forced to learn a trade, or even an acedemic degree, while inside custody (which of course would have to be greatly reformed and improved to adapt this idea…)
Oh well, poor ole frosTy, can’t even get the neo-cons on his side!
January 14th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Alan, would you polease consider adding a blue Alaska and Hawaii on your Liberaland display header?
January 14th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Sorry about the typo.
January 14th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Alan, would you please consider adding a blue Alaska and Hawaii on your Liberaland display header?
January 14th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Point Roberts is missing too.
That little dangly bit near Vancouver where Canadians take their boats to cheack into customs and get cheap fuel…
January 15th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
BadMrFrosty:
Pay no attention to Blissful. She’w what we call “special”.
January 16th, 2009 at 10:33 pm