Adolf Hitler Removed From Parents’ Home
January 14th, 2009, 11:54 AM EST
The family hit the national scene when a local bakery refused to put the name “Adolf Hitler” on a birthday cake. Now, the New Jersey Division of Youth and Family Services has removed young Adolf, along with his sisters JoyceLynn Aryan Nation, 1, and 8-month-old Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie, from the home of parents Heath and Deborah Campbell. No reason is being given for the action. Holocaust denial and Nazi decorations shouldn’t be enough reason, should they?
No, it’s not.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Hateful as they are, I think this falls under parental rights. Unless there’s danger of immediate physical danger to the children, I think a judge will return the children soon. There’s psychological harm done, but it’s more subjective just what permanent that is, and how it will affect the childrens’ behavior toward others. While they will probably grow up to be anti Jewish, et al, it’s not assured that they will be involved in neo Nazi assaults, vandalism of synagogues, etc. They’re more likely to than the average person, yes, but not certain to.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
My comments keep disappearing then re-appearing.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Now we have the naming police. Thats natzism right there. Maybe we should remove our new president for having a bad middle name.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I mean, I don’t know that that is reason for taking their children away, but what the F*&# are these people thinking? Those children are tainted for life with those names.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Thats natzism right there.
No, it isn’t.
But it also isn’t cool to remove kids from their parent’s homes without a very, very good reason. Minority held views of history, and poor taste in naming your kids not being amongst them.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
poor beautiful babies.
They need their mama.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
they gave their kids bad names. from what i read on another site, DCFS has had no complaints of abuse or neglect for that home.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Sky said: poor beautiful babies. They need their mama.
Sky,
Seems their momma may be part of their problem… ;-) However, Child Protective Services often wield a heavy hand and I certainly would readily suspect them of take a Lib approach in “doing whats best for the child” by THEIR personal standards rather than looking at the rule of law that is in place to protect divergent beliefs and practices… Regardless of the outcome of this event the kid will be scarred for life as he enters society. THATS the real parental crime here…
January 14th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
I certainly would readily suspect them of take a Lib approach in “doing whats best for the child” by THEIR personal standards
Hmm… every poster, liberal and conservative, has been wary of this action by CPS, I’d say the gratuitous swipe at ‘libs’ was unwarranted.
It would be like me saying “I certainly would readily suspect them of taking a Conservative approach in “exercising governmental control over the children, just like they want to do with the bedroom activities that led to their births”
Gratuitous, unfair, untrue, and stereotypical
January 14th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
UM said: Hmm… every poster, liberal and conservative, has been wary of this action by CPS, I’d say the gratuitous swipe at ‘libs’ was unwarranted.
UM,
For the record, unless there are issues unreported here I’d put the CPS people in jail for violating the family’s rights. I didn’t mean my statement as a gratuitous swipe at all. The CPS people I know personally apply the axiom of “I know the law protects “xyz” but we will ignore it because whatever we are doing is in the children’s best interest”. Lib’s – to my personal observation – quite often discount the principles and rules of law in favor of their “feelings” as whether an issue is “right” or “wrong”. Just my opinion… ;-)
I’d be glad to “stereotype” a government action as “typically conservative” if I could find one… ;-)
January 14th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I doubt they’ll be out of the home for very long.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
I’d be glad to “stereotype” a government action as “typically conservative” if I could find one
But there was no need for you to assume a stereotypical reaction of ‘libs’, since you have several liberals lining up on this board to denounce this action, and none supporting it.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
“”I’d be glad to “stereotype” a government action as “typically conservative” if I could find one… ;-)”"
Well, you are free to use George Bush not needed more treaty and peace agreements with Russia, becuase he “looked into Putin’s eyes and say his ’soul’”
Soul? What is that? Sounds like conservative religious hoo haa to me…
Or, perhaps you could use Dubya’s assertion that ‘god’ told him he was doing the right thing in the middle east? never heard a free-tinking liberal politician ever get advice from a supersticious entity, did you?
I think if you need a definition of a typical “conservative” government action, you’d be free to use one that revolves around ‘me, me ,me,”, but is disguised under the thin moustache of “you, you’ you”…
And where was your outrage when CPS stormed in and snatched 400 children from the non-christian religious cult down south? I seem to remember the “outrage” from conservatives came when these children were finally returned to their mothers…
January 14th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
And where was your outrage when CPS stormed in and snatched 400 children from the non-christian religious cult down south?
They were Christians, actually
January 14th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
I will support it as far as this goes…we don’t know the whole story, do we?
But my guess is that anyone that would name their child ‘Adolf Hitler’ has a few screws loose.
All I’m saying, is What else did they find going on at this house? Impprpoperly stored firearms laying about the house is a pretty good, although uninformed by facts, guess for one.
There are many stories across a variety of media about people involved in these awful white supremecist cults being involved with hard drugs, in particular the rage-inducing crystal metamphetemine.
Of course we don’t have the facts, how about for once waiting for them before either condemning or dismissing the actions of the CPS?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
“”They were Christians, actually”"
My bad, UM CARA, thank you for again correcting my error
;-)
I had thought they were embroiled in some sort of polygamy scandal, or at least accusation, and I was sure that no Christians did that.
Thanks for the clarification.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
They are polygamist Christians. There are quite a few flavors of Christians.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
UM CARA,
Don’t let FROSTY hear you say that…as far as he knows, we’re all “big C christians”. I still don’t know what that means…
January 14th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
It’s difficult to know what somebody means by the term Christian anymore. I take it more or less that they believe that they are a Christian. Whether they really are or not, well, who knows how to answer that? Heh.
I have to imagine there’s more behind this than the stupid naming. An argument could be made that the children’s safety has been put at risk because of their names, and that this is the parents fault, and that, if they don’t fix it, they will be changed by force. Still, weird.
Makes me wonder what other sorts of names might be secretly banned. Like, I mean, could you name your kid Kill Jews or Die Whitey and get away with it? Hmmm, if I had the last name, I’d totally name any child of mine Suck It Trebek.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Frosty: And where was your outrage when CPS stormed in and snatched 400 children from the non-christian religious cult down south? I seem to remember the “outrage” from conservatives came when these children were finally returned to their mothers…
Frosty,
The one in Texas? You have no idea how loudly I yelled at the state employees who made presumptions and entered that compound under flimsy pretense. I hadn’t found this board yet but would have been first in line to put THEM all in jail too. I still advocate that they be arrested and charged for every civil right they violated.
BTW, did you respond to my last post on the Haggard thread? I’d really like your response…
January 14th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Aaron said: Makes me wonder what other sorts of names might be secretly banned. Like, I mean, could you name your kid Kill Jews or Die Whitey and get away with it? Hmmm, if I had the last name, I’d totally name any child of mine Suck It Trebek.
Aaron,
I hear that the name “George Bush” will be banned immediately upon his leaving office… ;-)
January 14th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
“”They are polygamist Christians. There are quite a few flavors of Christians.”"
Apparently so!
Fascinating. I would have mistakenly called them a cult, but I am glad for the clarification UM CARA.
I know there is a massive group in Florida that worships Jesus Christ as well. Now they’ve been referring to themselves as “christians, all along – they believe in the bible, the crucifixion, the teachings of Christ, the ressurrection, all the good stuff.
The trouble is, I’ve been calling them a cult as well.
Problem is, for these Christians (as UM CARA says, there are many different flavours of Christians)…
… Jesus Christ has already been resurrected, lives in Florida, and teaches his flock from the trailer park where he works…
Thanks again for the clarification UN CARA, you’re a wealth of knowledge when it comes to religion…
I can learn a lot on here about science too, just look around!
;-)
January 14th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I’d call ‘em a cult too, actually. A polygamist christian cult.
Thanks again for the clarification UN CARA, you’re a wealth of knowledge when it comes to religion…
You come across as pretty close minded, I doubt you have ‘learned’ anything about religion in quite some time. I’m certainly not a wealth of knowledge regarding it, but I am curious, ask folks respectful questions about their beliefs, and listen to their answers.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Since when is stupid names or unpopular political beliefs a crime?
We still have the 1st Amendment which protects Freedom of Speech no matter how stupid. I believe nameing you kid falls under the 1st Amendment. Our jails would be overflowing if that were a crime. Some of us would have had jail time too if the truth be known.
Mothers and Fathers have the right to give the names they give don’t they? I would’nt name my kid those names but remember how the Muslims named children after Osama Binladin after 911? Some of them in our country, why aren’t they snatching those kids?
Where is teh ACLU on this, these parents are getting thier rights violated and no due process of the law. They are guilty before even having a trial or hearing – no one was arrested!?!
The police weren’t even told what they had done? I’ve been in law-enforcement and when we went with DHS fortaking children, rights were read, the crime was charged and the parent was arrested on the spot. What the heck are these Nazi Secret Police-New Jersey Division of Youth and Family Services doing???
This just blows my mind! We must be living in a liberal police State, Voo are Stupit, Ve know vats goot for you”!
I sure as heck hope the names are not what all this is about!
January 14th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Jack: I sure as heck hope the names are not what all this is about!
Jack,
The name “Jack” is on the soon-to-be-banned name list too. If you have children CPS is probably at your door right now… ;-)
January 14th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
If they removed them from their home because of the names and their parents beliefs, which none of us know, then that is wrong. If there was abuse then that is a different story.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Heath and Deborah don’t look like “the master race”.
They look like Arkansas/Alabama goobers.
The Warren Jeffs FLDS pervs in Eldorado, TX are just that, cultists and pervs. Jeffs isn’t in prison for spitting on the sidewalk. Their children should no more be left with them than left with Jim Jones or Charlie Manson.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
this story has bothered me all day. IF they can take your child away for what you name them/your beliefs noone is safe.
That is IF that is what happened here.
As far as polygamists go, I don’t agree with it but whatever. Doesn’t mean their children aren’t taken care of and loved. It can’t be any worse than all the NFL/NBA stars with kids floating around everywhere that they don’t see.
January 14th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
30 years ago, the ACLU defended the right of Nazis to march in Skokie, IL. Where are they now?
Our president elect now hails from that state, what does HE say?
What happened to “I disagree with your speech but defend until death your right to say it?”
What happened to “The answer to bad speech is more speech”?
Could a similar justification be used to take the children of Malcolm X? Who has SCHOOLS named after him? By Any Means Necessary?
Or the children of terrorist Angela Davis, currently on a victory tour of college campuses? What is an unfit parent?
He is obviously a nut, but if being a nut is a crime you’ll need a lot of jails.
January 14th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
I liked it better when Mel Brooks mocked Nazis instead of persecuting them.
Springtime for Hitler, in Germany.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Maybe we should dust off those copies of Hogan’s Heroes, that also mocked Nazis. At least we could laugh again, and I could get a residual! Nick at Nite, are you listening?
January 14th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
This is one of those situations where I feel they are idiots and have no right raising children but, that is not my call to make and it is there right to put this burden on their children. One of those situations where the protection of our freedom is painful.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
This again points out what happens when the goverment control our lives. Lets just have state assigned names at birth. Big goverment = Big problems.
January 14th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
If the parents did nothing wrong,return the kids. I dislike the names they gave their kids else the state is saying verbal abuse. Which is abuse in having names the kids have no control of.
January 14th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
It’s terrifying to watch our Constitutional Rights disappear day by day. I don’t like the kids’ names however, IF a crime were committed, why didn’t the State of New Jersey investigate and/or deny the birth certificate forms when 1st filled out? Why break up this family now? I’m a NJ resident. This state is horrendous to live in. Sadly, it’s just too expensive to move (for us) and there are many corporate jobs here. There’s plenty of crime in NJ however, it’s more state corruption.
Our NJ Catholic priest’s 1st name is Adolf. We attended a bible study with a foster parents. The NJ born baby’s 1st name-Jihad. He was returned to his mom after she completed a drug program.
This is NJ for ya.
January 14th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Those kids are so young they have no concept of Adolf Hitler. I am not saying the state of NJ is right as well. Just saying it could come under verbal abuse. Maybe the that is looking at the long term affects of the kids having such names. The Boy Name Sue and he seeked revenge on his father. Even thou that,s a J. Cash song, a names like that could affect those kids. I can not defend the parents. The history of Hitler is abuse alone,let alone having his name.
January 14th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
“”I hear that the name “George Bush” will be banned immediately upon his leaving office… ;-)”"
Lol, no, but I expect there would be a few snickers at the parent-teacher meetings with your kid named George Bush…and George W Bush would probably induce mild hysteria…
January 14th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
OK, these people may be Nazis, but unless they did something overtly harmful to the child they have the right to name it after a famous person. If they named him George Washington would that be OK? Richard Nixon? Where exactly is the line? John Wayne Gacey? What about my kid Daniel Boone? Or my other kid Andrew Jackson Boone? Or my grandfather Albert Sidney Johnson Stonewall Jackson Jefferson Davis Boone? No, I’m not joking.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Names don’t matter.
Sincerely,
Amanda Lay
Anita Bath
Buster Hyman
Dick Burns
& Jack Knoff
January 14th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
The goverment is going too far when it comes to finding reasons to take children away from their families. I lost both my sons for the simple reason that I am a Swedish citizen (permanent resident of the U.S.) and that I didn’t want to get a U.S. citizenship in these troubled times. This was even stated in reports to the court! It has turned into a “legal child black market”. Did you know that in most if not all states a parent has LESS rights then a murderer in court? In N.H. the judge can choose what shall be entered as evidence in court. In other words, he/she can choose to take everything the Division says and completely ignore anything and everything the parents may have. If you think what the Division is doing is wrong then PLEASE sign the Family Protection Act Petition at http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/family-protection-act
January 15th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Giving your child a wired name is 1 issue,but naming that child Hitler has long term effects. Their is verbal abuse you know. Would you give your kids that name? Teasing from other kids. Used your heads. At the sametime you should be able to spank your child. Yes the states go overboard in some cases,but do nothing in other cases reguarding kids.
January 15th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
While I despise white supremacists and other racists,including those who idolize Nazism, I honestly think that there has to be something more behind taking the child away other than naming him Adolph Hitler. If it was simply the name, a lot of parents would be guilty of naming their children after famous people. In THIS case the parents also added names to the other children which are strongly remniscent of Nazi Germany. Further evidence of obsession and inconsideration of the children being mocked and attacked by fellow classmates.
If the seizure was because of the names, that is wrong. If there was actual abuse, then I can understand taking the children away.
January 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Hey, you’re right PFKAM, names don’t matter!
Sincerely,
Dick Butkis
January 16th, 2009 at 3:54 am
The polygamous ” non-Christian” sect in the South was Jeffries Mormon cult. Mormon is is considered by a number of religion authorities to BE Christian.
The Xian ” outraged” at the 400 children being taken away conveniently forgets that this sect of Mormonism includes teenage girls younger than 16 being forced or coerced to marry middle age adult males. TWO cases of women who came out of the sect revealed how they were brainwashed and raped in their ” marriages”. No ” outrage from the Xian abut that one. Well Michael Savage didn’t mention that either.
Religious liberty does not extend to criminal abuse. If the “crime” here was just the names I can see the seizure as unjust.
Bad names? How about Joe Buttafuco?
January 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
My name sucks too!! At least my parent didn’t name after a veneral disease like my Friend Clymadia Or better yet how about my cousin Marjona. She got her name after the drug her mom kept doin” while she was pregnant. Or better yet the names of the twins Ozama Benjamin , and Benjamin Laudin… Get a life people
January 18th, 2009 at 7:18 pm