Jesse Ventura Vs. Elizabeth Hasselbeck On Waterboarding
May 18th, 2009, 3:50 PM EDT
Jesse:
“We only seem to waterboard Muslims.”
“They want Pelosi out because she lied? Why didn’t they ask for Bush and Cheney to go out when they lied about Iraq?”
“I would prosecute the people who did it; I would prosecute the people who ordered it, and they would all go to jail.”
“Look how outraged we were when waterboarding was done to our vets in Vietnam. Where do you think we learned it from?”
“I’m ashamed of my country.”
“You give me a waterboard, one hour and Dick Cheney and I’ll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders.”
Elisabeth Hasselbeck came off like a chatty nitwit, an intellectual mosquito compared with Jesse “the Body” Ventura.
“Enhanced interrogation” indeed.
goliath43 Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Chatty nitwit talk about a intellectual mosquito someone get the Raid
Sarah Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Perhaps you should save the free association exercise for your psychoanalyst.
goliath43 Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Again Sarah I’m truely baffled by your amazing intellect and rapier like wit.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Pelosi is being used as just another radical rightwing republican smoke screen to distract us from the despicable, unconscionable, illegal acts of BushCo.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 4:45 am
to distract us from the despicable, unconscionable, illegal acts of BushCo.…that Pelosi knew about and failed to even attempt to stop….seems like there’s blame to go around to me.
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 7:09 am
And after we prosecute Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Tenet we’ll take a look at Pelosi and the rest of Congress too.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Pelosi is being used
But did she know?
Bob Dobbs Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
@Pino
Um, whether Pelosi knew is pointless when they were the minority. What power do they have in that position? Majority rules.. remember?
The real issue free thinkers stressing about is how can you link Iraq and Al Qaeda when they hate each other? Osama Bin Laden was willing to assist the Saudi government in defense against Iraq.
The only possible way to link Iraq + 9/11 = water boarding. You would have to be an intellectual lightweight to think otherwise.
goliath43 Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Bob
Pelosi knew is pointless. Huh because she was in the minority what? She loves the limelight she loves the cameras are you kidding me? If she thought she could make political points she would have ran to the podium and screamed out loud to every reporter that would listen. She was in the briefing and agreed with them at the time.
Now she wants to claim foul and say she knew nothing about the policy that was being used so she back in the spotlight again.
Bottom line She knew and she lying about it. She is an embarrasment she should resign.
Lily Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
“Bottom line She knew and she lying about it.”
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I’m not a Pelosi fan, but in this country we still believe someone is innocent until proven guilty. So let’s investigate first, pronounce judgment later.
Bob Dobbs Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Do you even understand how Bush and Co. worked? Maybe you should think before you speak.
1) Cheney thought of it.
2) Asked federal judges to authorize it.. exactly like a cop who wants a warrant for arrest.
3) Cheney briefs them of allowed techniques by judges.
Whether she lied is a drop of water into the ocean in comparison to Bush’s lies about WMD’s and nukes in Iraq. Yet, all you sheeple followed him blindly while he destroys our economy.
The war as Rumsfield claimed was only suppose to last 6 months. How long has it been? Midyear in 2003 through present day.
If you understood basic economics of increased fuel prices affected every aspect of our economy.
1) Mine operating costs are 50% fuel.
2) Agriculture nutrients and animal feed price increases.
3) Transportation upgrades and etc increased costs.
4) Electricity + Heating (nat gas) costs doubling due to.. fuel costs.
If we focused the 130K troops assigned for anti-terrorism campaign into Afghanistan we would be done within 2-3 years tops.
I have suspicions it has to do with Iraq having the 4th largest oil proven oil reserves in the world according to the CIA. Google it if you do not believe me. While you are at it.. google “Iraqi oil China abc”
Daddio Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Funny Lily how you believe that in this country a person is innocent until proven guilty unless the person is Dick Cheney, George Bush, Rumsfeld, or any other that served in the Bush Administration.
You have already found them all guilty and you want to march them to the gallows.
Is that innocent until proven guilty just apply to liberals?
OldLefty Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Daddio said,
Funny Lily how you believe that in this country a person is innocent until proven guilty unless the person is Dick Cheney, George Bush, Rumsfeld, or any other that served in the Bush Administration.
………………………
That’s NOT what Lily said…..
This is why we want investigations.
Daddio Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Lefty,
I have seen numerous posts here alleging the GUILT of the Bush Adm. and those who worked for the adm. They have been found GUILTY by the liberals here without using the innocent till proven guilty theme.
If Lily and the liberals here truly believe that then they should practice it. Lily doesn’t believe it until Palosi gets into hot water. All of a sudden I hear “innocent until proven guilty.”
blissfulconservative Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 8:18 am
You are right on daddio. For months now I have seen posts going on and on about civillian deaths in the war and how the previous adminstration should be punished for it. Fast forward to the current administration and the most recent civillian casualties and not a peep on this board.
Daddio Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Blissful, hi how you doing?
You know, I have been waiting for the press and the liberals to jump on the deaths that have occured in the middle east but I haven’t heard a peep either. Is it because they can no longer blame Bush? Is it because their man is no in the White House and the Dems control Congress?
Where is TDro, the pacifist? He should be all over Obama for the civilian deaths occuring now. After all Obama was going to start pulling our troops out of the Middle East.
The silence is deafening.
blissfulconservative Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Daddio
Because they are what they claim to hate. They tow the party line and make excuses for democrats but want to prosecute republicans for doing exactly the same thing.
the silence is indeed deafening and the double standard is full of hypocrisy.
Daddio Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Exactly Blissful. All those Dems that ran as right of center in the last election have been eerily silent since entering Congress. The ones I have heard about are now left of center and voting the PARTY LINE.
No criticism from the liberals here. Can’t hear it. So, they are towing the party line.
Bernie-in-Michigan Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Bob, there is any number of things she could have done. Introducing a bill to cease war funding comes to mind. Would it have passed? Perhaps not but she would have been on the record.
Bob Dobbs Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
BIM: she could have done. Introducing a bill to cease war funding.
Um, you mean commit to political suicide using your idea. I agree with introducing a bill.. Yet, at that time what is a logical non-hostage style dissent?
Ironically, if the Neo-Con’s listened to the 3 million anti-war protesters which went with ideology of the UN’s analysis that Iraq has no WMD’s.
The main reason we are still in Iraq is to make sure Iran does not take over for oil reserve purposes.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 4:58 am
BOB,
sigh…talk about “intellectual lightweight”
You have managed to spew out most of the left-wing talking points all in one post…you should at least try to space it out a bit…
But since you brought it up…let’s talk about it:
Talking point #1: BushCo lied about WMDs in Iraq – the CIA provided intelligence that led BushCo to the conclusion there were WMDs in Iraq…Israel, England and the UN had the same intel…
Since you’re so fond of “googling”…I suggest you spend some time looking this up instead of regurgitating what you’ve heard from left-wing talking suits.
Talking point #2: Al Queda had no connection to Iraq – untrue…again. While Al Queda did not have a connection to Saddam himself…they most certainly had a connection to Saddam’s regime…once again…google it and see.
Talking point #3: It’s BushCo’s fault the economy tanked – wrong…again. Like I’ve said a million times before…there’s blame to go around…even for your precious democrats…and yes, even for Obama.
I noticed you mentioned another poster should read up on the issues before posting…I would suggest the same for you…for the sake of your already meager credibility.
While doing your research…you should look up the way the US government works…checks and balances…then you can retract your “do you even know how Bush and Co worked?” statement…
May 18th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Um, whether Pelosi knew is pointless
Except that it’s not. She was briefed, she knew and now she is lying.
TDro319 Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
You’re absolutely right, Pino. If she was briefed in September and they were waterboarding in August, why didn’t she go back in her time machine and object to it before it started?
And whether she knew or not is pointless. Cheney is the one who authorized torture, not Pelosi.
goliath43 Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
They was no torture.
Bob Dobbs Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
OMG! That’s must be the first lie coming from Congress. We should get right on top of that or our country will fall apart by the seams. *extreme sarcasm*
According to you: A war justified on terrible intelligence is perfectly fine as long as you are Republican. The outrage on the right is due to tarnished name of the GOP which is scorchingly vile as Herpes. Ah, The gift that keeps on giving.
With a rebranding tour trying to spin positive vibes having Herpes. With listening campaigns due to years ignoring the real needs of society catering to the religious right who demand un-constitutional controls within our government.
Times are changing with the Next Generation losing there religion due to intolerance by religious puppets who lack the ability to think for themselves.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 5:02 am
BOB ,
Take a couple of pills, man…sheesh.
A war justified on terrible intelligence is perfectly fine as long as you are Republican
Once again…a left-wing talking point emerges!
Democrats voted for the war resolution, Bobby…or did you forget that little nugget?
And what are these unconstitutional controls within the gov’t that you’re referring to?
…who lack the ability to think for themselves.
This is hilarious coming from the guy who just spouted off all of the left-wing soundbites he could remember…HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
May 18th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Not only is she lying, but she wanted to start a partisan witch hunt to prosecute Republican’s for the very same things that she both knew of, and gave approval to.
It would be like me approving abortion and then calling democrats guilty of supporting abortion.
Nan lied folks………….don’t try and vindicate her by saying it was “ok” because after all everyone does it……….have some integrity and show her the door………….
You guys did the right thing with Blago, now it’s time again to step up or shut up………
I’m hoping you’ll step up……..
OldLefty Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Let’s have the full investigation that she is calling for…… the order givers and the order takers, those who committed crimes, those who covered them up, and those who stood idly by.
Let’s get it all out in the open.
TDro319 Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Okay. But who AUTHORIZED torture? Pelosi? Shouldn’t we go after the people who authorized the disgusting practice of torture instead of the people who may have been briefed on it?
Bob Dobbs Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
@TAPT
How can you compare extortion to lying for reasoning to force resign or impeach. Your logic is flawed.
Extortion = Illegal
Lying = Not illegal and extremely common with political parties funded by corporations. So maybe we should fire all the politicians from oil and coal states perpetuating lies about climate studies.
trees are people too Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Well Bob, it’s simple….if we could prove that the reason for global warming was entirely man made and that the politicians were lying and covering up or denying scientific reports that exposed these issues, thereby lying and being deceitful then you would have a reasonable argument.
There is no scientific evidence that proves that atmospheric carbon is the cause of global warming, and in fact the cause of global warming may well be increased solar output……
You know we take for granted things like a steady state sun, a sun that doesn’t fluctuate in terms of thermal output, however I think we can all agree that in terms of global warming it wouldn’t take much of an increase in solar output to have a measurable increase in the temperature of the overall climate.
The temperature gradient is so finely tuned on this planet that a temperature difference of + or – a few degrees makes a tremendous difference in regards to the existence of life.
This is another issue that certain people love to use as a political tool.
Bob Dobbs Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
1) 10% of all Man-Made emissions are due to slash and burn deforestation for agriculture reasons with the most popular being cattle and palm oil in Amazon Forest.
2) Solar Cycle is a well documented 11 year cycle which discovered around the 1965~ era thanks to NASA. Hot spots develop due to highly powerful magnetic forces concentrating energy. Then you have solar flares which are opposing magnetic forces clashing within the sun to burst high volumes of energy. Flares being strong enough to destroy space equipment if left powered on. Energy takes 8 mins to reach earth which main reason to understand the solar bursts to save repair costs.
3) Ocean acidification — from co2 — is affected coral reefs (safety nests of sorts for fish) and oyster populations (filters of the ocean) which are a major part of the ecosystem. In some regions they have enacted commercial fishing bans to allow the fish stocks rebuild.
Majority of climate change denial crocks love to use 9 or 10 year segments to show climate cooling to favor their cause. If you were to use 15 year segments or larger segments you would realize increases. You may think 1-2 degrees F every 15 years as no need to worry. Which shows you do not care what your grand kids will have to endure.
Also, come explain how Australia Heatwave Jan 2009 (southern hemisphere summer) which is a month before Aussie wildfire during the cold cycle of the sun.
trees are people too Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 4:23 am
Wha?? How did we go from my statement that recognized the narrow window of temperature changes that comprise the world climate to your assertion that somehow I don’t consider temperature variances a big deal??
Here let me post it again…….
How did you extrapolate unconcern for future generations out of that statement?? hmm??
Now climate change historically is cyclical, and the fact is that no one knows exactly what is causing the current warming trend, (it could just be normal), and no one knows if carbon emissions are a significant contributor, as the methane gases produced by living beings have a greater cumulative effect. Should we find ways to reduce carbon emissions? Yeah, I think we should….should we run around claiming things that aren’t substantiated?? I guess if you’re someone with a particular political agenda this might be appealing…
May 18th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
We need to investigate EVERYONE involved. Cheney, Pelosi, Bush, Rumsfeld, et. al. Then we’ll see if we can prosecute. They ALL need to be investigated and if ANY of them are guilty, then they need to be prosecuted. A nation of laws does not let criminals run free.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Oh, and by the way…….we don’t consider waterboarding torture, it’s an enhanced interrogation technique……..we submit our own military personnel to it………we don’t break our servicemen’s bones, or electrocute them, or remove fingernails, or beat them with rubber hoses, all of which constitute torture, and we didn’t do this to the detainees either…….
Nan is guilty of misrepresenting the facts, facts that she subscribed to, facts that she was aware of, and information gathering techniques that she approved of……..
To try and pin the tail on the donkey was not a good idea for her, as she ended up pinning the tail on her own……….
TDro319 Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Oh, right! Yeah, and nailing Jesus to the cross wasn’t torture. It was simply “enhanced interrogation” – you know, to find out if he really was the son of God.
goliath43 Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Comparing Jesus and his sacrifice for the world and waterboarding is a stretch even for you TDro319
TDro319 Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Not really, Goliath. Christ died because, during the Romans’ “enhanced interrogation” procedure they left Him on the cross a little too long causing His demise. Hey, s#$% happens!
VegasLib Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Trees: “Oh, and by the way…….we don’t consider waterboarding torture, it’s an enhanced interrogation technique”
According to you and Cheney, you know, since he came up with the OTHER definition of torture – ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’.
Lee Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Trees,
I’m just curious, but did you actually watch the video on which this post was based on (the one above)?
For example, apart from Ventura having been one of those military personnel to have experienced it and claiming it is torture, he makes some other salient points regarding our views of it being used against us.
But anyway, please at least read/watch the original post/video!
trees are people too Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Yes, Lee I watched it…….and here’s the thing, the VC actually tortured American servicemen, in other words in addition to waterboarding, which is not torture, they also engaged in real torture…….like breaking bones, starvation, beatings, electrocution, isolation in “the hole”, stuff like that………
Did we use extreme measures?
Yes.
Did they rise to the level of torture??
No.
So saying that we denounced other countries for practicing torture and then engaged in torture ourselves is not at all accurate.
Making someone uncomfortable is not torture, and for every Jesse Ventura who claims that waterboarding is torture there is someone else who has also experienced it and claims that it isn’t…….
We don’t use it in law enforcement because we don’t coerce confessions, and Jesse was disingenuous with his Cheney analogy……
We weren’t waterboarding to obtain confessions, we were waterboarding to obtain intelligence information……..
There’s a big difference……
Criminals in America have the right to remain silent, battlefield terrorists who orchestrate civilian deaths and are apprehended by the military do not fall under the same definition.
I don’t agree to trying them in civilian courts, they are not U.S. civilians and they were not apprehended in the U.S.
Lee Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 1:15 am
Trees,
I don’t normally blindly quote wiki but I think these words are as good a summary as any as to why your assertions are ridiculous:
“By forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences drowning and is caused to believe they are about to die.[1] It is considered a form of torture by legal experts,[2][3] politicians, war veterans,[4][5],medical experts in the treatment of torture victims[6][7] , intelligence officials,[8] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.”
As regards Vietnam, I must admit other than the reference to the Washington Post photo and story, I haven’t been able to get further details. But are you honestly trying to refute that story as obscuring facts that he was really prosecuted for other crimes?
And then this gem:
“We weren’t waterboarding to obtain confessions, we were waterboarding to obtain intelligence information……..”
Firstly, you must have read by now many times the fact that it is unreliable, to the point where some of the Gitmo detainees were waterboarded countless times yet still gave out no useful info.
Secondly, the purpose is irrelevant. The end does not justify the means. Torture is torture. To say something like ‘isolation’ ,’starvation’ and ‘electrocution’ is torture yet waterboarding is not, is absurd..
Finally, ‘uncomfortable’ is placing a detainee in a chilly room or making them sleep on a hard bed. ‘Drowning’ someone by preventing them from breathing, forcing water into their longs and causing uncontrolled vomitting (not to mention fear of imminent death) is a long way past ‘uncomfortable’.
Frankly, in the face of all the data, to support any other position than ‘its torture’ is to be in denial of the history/facts of the procedure and simply being closed-minded and blindly partisan.
trees are people too Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
And I submit to you that if we wanted to know everything that Dick Cheney knows……and I mean everything……we would learn it through the course of waterboarding him……and Jesse knows this….
He admitted as such when he said that we could get Cheney to confess to the Manson family murders….
There would be no hidden secrets after a round of waterboarding…..we would have extracted the info without so much as harming a hair on his head….
Waterboarding while no doubt unpleasant, is not torture……..
Bob Dobbs Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
ROFL! Your argument is self refuting!
TAPT: There would be no hidden secrets after a round of waterboarding.
How many times did it occur? DUH!
Also, the purpose of Jesse wanting to water board him is to falsely admit to the Sharon Tate (movie star murde.red by Manson cult followers) Debacle.
Do not even try to argue something you lack the knowledge of it. You officially are an intellectual lightweight.
We invaded the wrong nation — Iraq — which should have been Afghanistan if you knew your history of why Al Qaeda formed.
If you wanted to break a person to confess without harming them a muslim. Show him telatubbies, barney, jesus cartoons, and kent hovind (Inventor of Intelligent Design which is Creationism) videos. I personally would try to commit suicide after a week.
trees are people too Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
That was a tongue in cheek comment Bob, any criminal investigator knows that the information you are trying to obtain requires persistence….multiple sessions…and a hard case takes a while to crack open….
How old are you Bob? DUH, I usually hear these kind of expressions from 14 year olds……
Anyway I’m off…. I’m already late…..have fun I’ll see you later…….
Bob Dobbs Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
You completely destroy your own argument saying it does not really work well. Even if XX person has information on YY event what is his motivation to prevent attacks to support his cause? If you had common sense you would know they train to endure this torture just like our soldiers do. I’m sure SERE school teaches you to lie, lie, and lie some more to buy yourself extra time and give them the run around while they [soldiers] laugh at the wild goose chase.
Then you start with an ad hominem as opposed to argue with intelligent thought. Age has nothing to do with intellectual prowess which has been proven with your entire argument based on facts from right-wing think tanks. If you were a free thinker I’d be easy on you.. Yet, you use right-wing think tank talking points showing yourself to be a puppet.
TDro319 Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
“He admitted as such when he said that we could get Cheney to confess to the Manson family murders….”
He was being facetious. Everybody knows Cheney had nothing to do with the Manson family murders, but torture him while at the same time saying things like “Admit it! You killed the Tate family!” and the Dick will admit to the killings simply to get the torture to stop.
EricG Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 1:30 am
“we don’t consider waterboarding torture, it’s an enhanced interrogation technique, we submit our own military personnel to it”
Well isn’t that lovely. You don’t ‘consider’ causing pain or distress to stimulate death or serve injury or drowning as torture. I don’t consider smashing the cars of conservatives as illegal. It’s just civil protest. I get to redefine the laws around my ideological whims just like you guys … we are all Americans and we don’t have a ruling class so you’re power is equal to mine. I want to change the laws around my sick desires to do harm to others that everyone who walks with Jesus stands against with their very soul. So you have offended not just something simple like my politics or my reading or American case law but in fact you insult my faith by claiming that this nation is righteous enough that it may harm who it please as it pleases like a nation-state of tyranny.
Communist China develop the technique. Thus we train our men and women to be ready for something that makes waterboarding look like 40 year old torture tactics … because that’s what it is.
Really all you need is a car battery or just a gun. If you want to violent and evil you might as well just go ahead and become Satan himself.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
This should be interesting: Jesse Ventura’s on Hannity tonight. Heheheheh.
flap Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I call it Hannity without Colmes…and actually I may watch it. Ventura is an interesting guy.
EricG Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 1:35 am
“I call it Hannity without Colmes”
I call it really bad television. Almost entirely vapid of facts and really just a partisan game show of ‘how crazy can we spin this?’
That logo alone is laughable.
What is he? An interstate highway or a TV host!?!
Freedom of speech … let him roll. It’s bad TV all the same. I miss H & C. O’Reilly sucks too hard to even sit through … I;ve never seen Alan even once on there.
EricG Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 1:39 am
Come to think of it … I used to watch the Factor a lot and then Bill’O decided to smear Obama for ratings daily and it got old. His radio show was the real deal; he is so damn plastic on the air. Not enough of his politics and too much ‘dressing’ on everything he says.
Straight-talker my foot. That man is just like Hannity in that he talks with beautiful words and wonderful conviction but when you listen closely they didn’t say a damn thing!
VegasLib Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Yea. It sucks now, without Colmes, but should be interesting with Ventura tonight.
pierre Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Ventura almost killed Hannity who only turned
pale last night.
Alan, you should post Ventura VS Hannity.
VegasLib Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Yea. I saw that. Hannity was shttng himself. It was wonderful. Haha!
It sucks though, Alan doesn’t mess with Hannity. They’re ‘friends’.
JK Alan. All good.
pierre Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Hannity had no chance to use the teleprompter. No
sorry , he uses written talking points from K.Rove.Ventura cleaned his”behind”.At least he can
read as compared to his boy -Bush.
Lily Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Did Ventura ask Hannity about his offer to be water boarded for charity? A lot of people on this site claim water boarding is not torture. Hannity also made that claim. Since it’s apparently not torture, and since Hannity won’t do it, I have to ask:
Why does Sean Hannity hate out troops?
May 18th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
If you’re ashamed of America GET YOUR A$$ OUT OF HERE, we don’t need you !.
Waterboarding is a none violent form of torture. 15 minutes after a good soaking the guy can eat a skeak. [but he probably won't be thirsty] !
VegasLib Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Yo, Jerry,
How ’bout we torture them in the name of Jesus? Will that get you off even better? Cause He would DEFINITELY waterboard these evil doers! Right?
EricG Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 1:42 am
How about you move on over to communist China where they created your favorite past time of waterboarding?
You communists should all hang out together. Talk your communist politics and decide the fates of your underlings all in little fancy rooms.
Torture is torture. You so wrong that angels are crying all over your Blog Spot!
Sarah Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 10:19 am
God love ya, Jerry. Pearls from someone who has no shame.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Come to think of it an abortion is more violent than waterboarding as it KILLS a living HUMAN BEING !!!!!!
TDro319 Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Don’t you mean “an unnecessary WAR is more violent than waterboarding as it KILLS a living HUMAN BEING !!!!!!”?
May 18th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Shame on liberals for executing humans !!!!!
OldLefty Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Shame on conservatives for executing humans !!!!!
Um Cara Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Shame on moderates for executing humans !!!!!
libpatriot Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
And shame on the politically apathetic for executing humans!!!!! Are we inclusive here, or WHAT?????
May 18th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
HUSH, Jerry, you don’t want to up set their delicate sensibilities do you.
RDM Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Torture…Wanna make ‘em talk. Play some Rap Music!
OldLefty Reply:
May 18th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Or Ted Nugent!
Sarah Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 10:19 am
It worked on Noriega.
May 18th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Jesse did good, and I fully agree with him.
Let’s get a special prosecutor in place, and let the chips fall where they may. We have Cheney who confessed, let’s start with him – then move on down the chain.
May 18th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
I have a question no liberal can answer, what about the U.S prison system? Far more torturous abuse goes on in there at the hands of prison officials and other prisoners then in Gitmo or by our CIA operatives, I know, I have a friend who was in Canyon City for 15 years, he told me all kinds of crazy stuff that happens. We see footage of police officers tortureing innocent victims, remeber, we are “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law”. I find lots of hypocracy in liberalisim. Also, how come it’s murder when someone kills a fetus but not when a docotor commits abortion? Can there then be justifiable homicide?
EricG Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 1:17 am
Your up the creek on this one. I’m a liberal and let’s talk about the prison system:
They are trying to build a prison, for you and me to live in.
That about sums it up. It’s the defense lawyers and the ACLU fighting for you and me. It’s the social programs of the New Deal and the Great Society that have fought this scenario from coming to pass to even greater degree.
I know from the other side about prisoner abuse and if you are concerned about the human rights of prisoners then please God contact the media with your story.
My accounts come second-hand from convicted felons so I don’t think they can claim any kind of credibility. They are not lying, though.
“I find lots of hypocrisy in liberalism.”
Explain it to us. I think most conservatives and all neocons are all A-grade hypocrites.
“Also, how come it’s murder when someone kills a fetus but not when a docotor commits abortion?”
Come again? What are you talking about? There is not a liberal alive who says it is murder to have an abortion which the initial premise to your question.
It’s not murder no matter what any crazed neocon has to say about it.
“Can there then be justifiable homicide?”
No. There is no ‘justifiable’ form of any violence of any kind. But are you going to judge the immortal souls of these women?
All loss of life is saddening and what is more the issue of abortion specifically can be entirely prevented with education and groups like Planned Parenthood being allowed to do their work.
The matter is twisted up by the right wing. We need people on the ground working in society to counsel young women. What we don’t need are laws that force women to have their rapist’s baby or mandate a woman’s reproductive function via the state. They do that in China you know. The communists.
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Torture done by the CIA, prison system, military, police or citizens is illegal. Waterboarding is torture. The CIA committed torture. Whatever happened in Canyon City was most likely torture.
The hypocrisy is one the so-called pro-life side of things. Legislation from the Bible and demeaning your fellow Americans as a standard of practice … disgusting dirty politics doesn’t impress us liberals.
Get your “S” together and pass it along to the other “pro-lifers.”
libpatriot Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Valinius, our country has far more important issues to tend to than worrying about making things all nice and cushy for all the convicted felons here, felons “proven guitly in a court of law”.
Gitmo is different because it’s part of our public face in the world, and the nicer that face looks, the stronger we and our alliances are. And this just convinces me more that those detainees will have their hands full just to avoid getting brutally beat or worse, and won’t have any success subverting our prison inmates into terrorist cells.
Did your friend that was in Canyon city stay in Gitmo as well? If not, how are either you or he experts on the difference in prisoner treatment between the two?
“I find lots of hypocracy [sic] in liberalism.” And you’ll find lots of hypocrisy among human beings universally, be they in small or big categories, political or not.
“Also, how come it’s murder when someone kills a fetus but not when a docotor [sic] commits abortion? Can there then be justifiable homicide?”
Do yourself and all of us a favor from now on, Valinius, and lay off the crank before you post.
libpatriot Reply:
May 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I apologize for that last remark of mine, Valinius. It was extremely presumptive and snotty of me. From now on, I’m sticking with my usual practice of just reading the posts and not posting myself when I visit this site after an especially long and difficult day at work. I feel I really stepped over the line that time!
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 7:19 am
“I have a question no liberal can answer, what about the U.S prison system?”
Things are bad or worse in other US prisons so that justifies Gitmo? Here’s an answer: drink another mug of bile and call us when you turn your brain on.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:29 am
Also, gay marrige wont work as it is a sanctified union between GOD, man, and woman. GOD recognizes and sanctifies marrige between a man and a woman, not of the same sex. GOD exists wether you believe in him or not. Also, I am not saying fornication is acceptable as well, but GOD forgives us all as long as we repent and turn from our sinful ways and live the godly life, as ordained by GOD. Therefore one can not be a gay christian, as GOD says,”You can not walk with the world and walk with me”.
VegasLib Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Wrong. God loves us ALL equally. You CAN be a gay Christian. God will judge us all individually and not you or I can begin to comeprehend what his manner of judgement will be for any one of us. Our conscience will show on Judgement Day, and God is the one and only who will decide from there. YOU, my friend, are too miniscule compared to God to even begin to comprehend what God’s judgement can and will be for every individual sinner. So stop judging the sinner and take a look at yourself instead. Mind your business, as the only thing that you should really focus on is your own judgement.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:44 am
“You give me a waterboard, one hour and Dick Cheney and I’ll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders.”
I think Jesse Ventura is my favorite politician of all time. As of today.
Daddio Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Figures Eric.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
May 20th, 2009 at 6:16 am
wait…I thought you weren’t an advocate of waterboarding because it’s “torture”.
OHHHH…I get it…it isn’t “torture” if it’s done to a member of the opposing political party…right?
your credibility? *poof* there it goes…up in smoke…so sad
May 19th, 2009 at 1:00 am
I have great difficulty in considering Elizabeth a political commentator of any value. Perhaps, she could be a member of a pagent someplace, but that would be the pinnacle of her political comentator career. Jessie shut her down without any effort or concern. She was further out her element than a salmon in Kansas.
pierre Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Ventura did the same thing with Hannity last night’
Sean was shut down as well and he turned blue.He
had no effective takings points against the “giant”
Ventura.
May 19th, 2009 at 1:56 am
Jesse Ventura has been a clown since his days in the professional wrestling ring.
I don’t know why anyone would take him seriously. If he were saying those things about Dems and liberals you would give him no credibility.
OldLefty Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 8:05 am
But you will take Bush and Cheney seriously?
All right, then.
Daddio Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Sure I take Bush and Cheney seriously. They were the leaders of the free world. Ventura was a circus clown in the circus called the World Wrestling Federation, or what ever it is called. Him becoming a governer was a fluke.
He is just a publicity stooge out looking to be on camera somewhere.
Um Cara Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 8:39 am
You just don’t like him because he is a veteran, former Navy Seal.
Why do you hate our veterans?
VegasLib Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Yea, Daddio, why DO you hate our veterans?
I’d like to thank Mr. Ventura for his service as a Seal, one of the most respected (if not the most) branches of the American military.
steve Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Daddio
Ventura,s points are valid and honest as well along with his insight and duty in the Seals.
The lady he was having the debate with has no clue and insight and another buffoon that is driving people away from the GOP in droves.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Daddio, you said:
“Funny Lily how you believe that in this country a person is innocent until proven guilty unless the person is Dick Cheney, George Bush, Rumsfeld, or any other that served in the Bush Administration.
You have already found them all guilty and you want to march them to the gallows.
Is that innocent until proven guilty just apply to liberals?”
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Can you point to one post I’ve made stating or suggesting that anyone in the Bush administration should be accused without investigation?
You also said:
“And the ACLU has prosecuted many cases where a student was “caught” reading his/her Bible at school. Just one example.”
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Can you post a source for this statement?
TDro319 Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
“Can you post a source for this statement?”
I hope you’re not holding your breath waiting for a response, Lily.
Lily Reply:
May 19th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Not even a little,
May 19th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Its women like those on the view that allow me to understand why
” women in the work place” are only worth 3/4 that of a man :)
I mean if women’s working ability was equal to that of a man’s wouldn’t every company hire only women (since cheaper at 3/4)?
May 21st, 2009 at 4:04 pm