GOP Passes Resolution Condemning Democrats For A “March Toward Socialism”
The plan to refer to the Democratic Party as the “Democrat Socialist Party” has been voted down by the RNC. They did, however, agree to condemn Democrats for “a march toward socialism.”
The original resolution was, backed by some of the party’s more conservative members but leader, as was opposed by the party chairman, Michael Steele, as well as other Republican leaders. The opponents said the proposal to impose a new name on the Democrats , who said it made the Republican party appear trite and, overly partisan, and would prove politically embarrassing.
Henry Barbour, nephew of Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, said, “We wanted to be respectful, but we wanted to be firm.” How “respectful” would it be if the DNC passed a resolution saying Republicans were on a “march toward fascism”?
Oh, that’s so disappointing.
I thought then the DNC could name them, the Republic Poopeyhead Party.
average james Reply:
May 20th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Hahahahaha
Poopeyhead is an awesome word !!
deeznuts Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:17 am
It would have roughly the same effect.
What a joke the RNC is.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
How about the DNC passing a resolution calling republicans “sheeple of Rush and Hannity”.
average james Reply:
May 20th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
So the Republican party was basically voting on new talking points ?
May 20th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Well, it was fun while it lasted.
average james Reply:
May 20th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
It’s still fun Lefty.
May 20th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
“We wanted to be respectful…”
The radical rightwing extremists have all the respect of wild dogs, and the same morals.
May 20th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
The Republicans are not putting forward any answers to the challenges facing the American people, but are concentrating on whether to engage in name-calling. That in itself is a sad commentary on the state of the party.
Sarah Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Exactly. If I hear one more thing about how germain Pelosi’s stupidity is to ANYTHING we need to worry about right now, I’m going to barf.
Could she have misremembered? Possibly. Outright lied? Wouldn’t surprise me. Was she naive? Probably.
Let’s move on. At this point, I don’t even care about Bush, Cheney, Pelosi, Reed, or Barney Frank. Let’s assess the mess, ignore Republicans if they’re not contributing toward finding solutions, and work from here.
May 20th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
May we all gather for a sincere hug and group puke.
Non story. Another example of radical right sticking to their principles….until the world finds out what they are and can’t stop laughing.
May 21st, 2009 at 2:57 am
At least, there is a debate clearly occuring within the Republican Party. My question for you is this. Is there such a debate within the Democratic Party? If not, there should be.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:54 am
A debate on what to call the Republicans ?
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:55 am
I guess conservatives are just better name callers.
They most certainly are louder.
Kregg Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:04 am
K: No, James, the Dems are all still group hugging and singing cumbyaa. At some point they’ll wake up and start screaming when they realize that BO isn’t gonna’ give them all that he said he would on the campaign trail.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:14 am
What up Kregg,
Nobody ever gets everything they want. I would like him to go farther left, open the borders, immediately pull out of Iraq, Universal health care, Re-instate Glas-Stegal, etc.. I and others are willing to give Obama and the Dems a little time.
Lily Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Kregg, see Alan’s post from 2 days ago re: Dems not backing Obama,
May 21st, 2009 at 7:17 am
I suppose you could pass a resolution saying the Republicans are on a “march towards fascism” if you wanted Alan. But the problem is there is no evidence of that. But if it makes you feel better than go ahead. Won’t hurt my feelings.
OldLefty Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 8:09 am
The Republicans WERE on a march to fascism but they actually marched themselves right out of power.
As for a “March Toward Socialism”, you can call it what you want, it’s what the people voted for, when they rejected Laissez Faire, Milton Friedman, Chicago School economics.
blissfulconservative Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 8:15 am
So some were ignorant enough to vote for an eventual dictatorship? That’s the road we are going down given the government wants to control banks, previous private corporations, healthcare, etc.
If they provide it for you they OWN you.
steve Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 9:56 am
Dictatorship ! You explain Cheney to me ? Lies,secerts and deceit we went through over the last 8 years. Lead by a mouthpiece called Rush and a dry drunk called Bush saying GOD told him to run for president. More like demons letting banks run crazy. Big Business drove Wall Street over the cliff and you want the same old crap. Get a grip with your conservative madness.
blissfulconservative Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:42 am
Steve
When was Rush ever on capital hill with pelosi, frank, hillary, reid, etc during a vote? Oh, that’s right. NEVER
steve Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:49 am
When they speak againist Rush. GOP law makers tell the fat jolly 1 they are sorry. That proves Rush runs the party without a office on capital hill blissful.
RDM Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:16 am
Ok we’ll call it the SDP.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:00 am
How about the Repubic No Party? Or the Repubic we hate gays and abortion Party. Or the Repubic itty bitty tent party. OK, I’m done. next.
flap Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 9:57 am
Funny, the ONE thing that I know the Republican Party is correct on is abortion.
OldLefty Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:02 am
In YOUR opinion.
Others are sure it’s one thing they are wrong about.
blissfulconservative Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:42 am
The others who think they are wrong have never witnessed a partial birth abortion. Would you perform one Lefty?
OldLefty Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:52 am
blissfulconservative,
“The others who think they are wrong have never witnessed a partial birth abortion. Would you perform one Lefty?”
………………………..
I don’t know of one single health care provider in my own experience, family or friends who has seen or even knows of a so called partial birth abortion, evre actually being performed outside of health of mother issues.
Have you, because perhapsyou should show us the law that makes it legal.
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:05 am
You know, I love abortions so much I think I’ll have one on my lunch break. The partialler, the better. With extra mustard.
steve Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:05 am
I have listen various right wing talk show host blasting plan parenthood and alot of neocons are againist it as well. Face the facts blissful,your party stands for NO.
Kregg Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:10 am
Steve said: I have listen various right wing talk show host blasting plan parenthood and alot of neocons are againist it as well. Face the facts blissful,your party stands for NO.
K: Steve, do you disagree that sex should be abstained from until married so that one won’t have to consider aborting a fetus for lack of ability to raise it?
TDro319 Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 1:46 pm
“You know, I love abortions so much I think I’ll have one on my lunch break. The partialler, the better. With extra mustard.”
Ooohhh, me too! Of course I love to have at 3-4 abortions a day. I just can’t seem to get enough of ‘em!
steve Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:47 am
Saint Kregg , i am a mere rag of his imaged. I have to give you credit for keeping yourself abstained with sexual bombs and missles flying around.
Just saying,we lived in a nation that being abstained is a great message. However,because of sexual missles and bombs. Other measures must be taken to prevent abortions.
steve Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:08 am
Wrong on that 1. Neocons wants no abortion and birth control as well. They are anti-plan parenthood and no sex education in our schools kowning we live in a sexual country,but all they can say is no,don,t do the nasty.
blissfulconservative Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:46 am
Steve,
They have never said NO birth control. Have YOU ever been to planned parenthood? Do you know how they make their money? They don’t sell snow cones.
The only 100% proven birth control method to prevent HIV, AIDS, STD’s and pregnancy is abstinence. If you aren’t ready to deal with the above list then don’t do it.
Funny. If all the hip liberals are so great with birth control then why the heck do so many women need abortions? Hmm? And if it isn’t wrong, then why is the decision so hard to make?
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:52 am
I don’t get that one either.
Stop teaching our kids sex education and do not provide birth control.
Stand behind (topless)Carrie Prejean though, and hire lots of pretty girls on Fox who show some leg.
Being anti-abortion does not automatically give Republicans some kind of moral soapbox. On the contrary it highlights the party’s hypocracy.
deeznuts Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am
@blissfulconservative Have YOU ever been to planned parenthood? Do you know how they make their money? They don’t sell snow cones.
I would LOVE to hear how YOU think Planned Parenthood makes their money. Hint: if you think it’s from abortions, you’re dead wrong.
Abortion related services make up less than 5% of what Planned Parenthood does. The vast majority of PP’s work is in the area of pregnancy prevention. That’s a FACT.
Now, we have 2 possible scenarios. Either you KNEW all that and you are being grossly dishonest in your post, or you DIDN’T know, in which case you’re just ignorant. Do please clarify.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:28 am
Bliss,
I have never heard, or heard of, anyone who wants more abortions. That is not their argument. The argument is about forcing a woman against her will. It’s about controlling women rather than giving them freedom over their own bodies. That’s the pro-choice argument.
I personally disagree but, I do understand that argument. To me it sounds like conservative/libertarian logic, personal freedom-damn the consequences.
Kregg Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:35 am
James said; I have never heard, or heard of, anyone who wants more abortions. That is not their argument. The argument is about forcing a woman against her will. It’s about controlling women rather than giving them freedom over their own bodies. That’s the pro-choice argument.
K: James, the anti-abortion argument is not about ‘controlling a woman’s body’ in any way OTHER than to protect the life growing within it. The argument has a parallel in the case of this kid. The court seeks to control the mother’s behavior in an effort to save the life of her kid. Whatever limits the court places on the mother are NOT directed at the ‘control’ issue but at the life-saving issue of her child.
steve Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:44 am
We live in a sexual nation. I was doing the nasty at 13 and i am quite sure you did as well in your teen years else you are a prune.
Get real Kregg about being abstained from sex and place measures to cut abortions down. On another note while watching MSNBC. Abortions went up when Bush was in office.
Kregg Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Steve said: We live in a sexual nation. I was doing the nasty at 13 and i am quite sure you did as well in your teen years else you are a prune.
K: Here is where we differ, Steve. I was taught by my religious morals NOT to have sex before I was married – and so I didn’t. You are fully capable of refusing to indulge your testosterone urges IF YOU WANT TO. The fact is that you DON’T want to – and so you must rationalize your behavior.
S: Get real Kregg about being abstained from sex and place measures to cut abortions down. On another note while watching MSNBC. Abortions went up when Bush was in office.
K: If you don’t have sex outside of a relationship ready willing and able to raise the results of your horizontal boogy then there is no need for abortion, right?
blissfulconservative Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 3:38 pm
From Randall K. O’Bannon, Ph.D…..who takes his info straight from planned parenthood’s 2005-2006 annual report
“As reported in the June NRL News, clinics affiliated with the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) performed 264,943 abortions in 2005, the highest total ever reported for the group. Abortions have been on the decline in the U.S. since the 1990s, but have been steadily increasing at Planned Parenthood. PPFA is now responsible for over 20% of all U.S. abortions.
PPFA’s Annual Report doesn’t specify just how much money it takes in from abortion. But it does lay out the group’s overall revenues and expenditures for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2006.
During the ‘05-‘06 fiscal year, the report says that Planned Parenthood had $902.8 million in total revenues. Thirty-eight percent, or $345.1 million of that came from “Health Center Income” or clinic revenues.1 Another 34%, or $305.1 million, came from “Government Grants and Contracts,” coming out of the pockets of taxpayers via their federal, state, or local governments.
At $162.3 million, “Private Contributions and Bequests” accounted for only a quarter (24%) of the group’s revenues. Income from the Guttmacher Institute, Planned Parenthood’s special research affiliate, at $7.2 million. “Other Operating Revenue,” at $33 million, constitutes the remaining 4%.
In outlining how Planned Parenthood spent its money, the annual report list broad categories and gives page numbers referring back to programs earlier in the report. The $520.8 million spent on “Medical Services” obviously includes the abortion services but may include funds for research on “medication abortion” — abortions done chemically with abortifacients such as RU486 instead of surgically. The report claims that “Today, one in four American women turns to Planned Parenthood for health care at least once in her life.”
Women have freedom and control over their bodies PRIOR to conception. PRIOR to conception. Funny how some only want to focus on controlling their body and the body of antoher human (the baby) AFTER the deed is done.
Eric Goeke Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Excellent fact reporting, BlissfulC.
I won’t dispute your numbers. They look good to me.
Though pointing out the funding of Planned Parenthood is much like pointing out the funding of a conservative lobby on my end of things.
Ultimately, you can’t view this data without bias because you entered this situation trying to degrade PP.
I only end up repeating what I’ve said already. That mainly what planned Parenthood does is NOT abortions, it is family planning. That is not to say that they don’t ever happen (not on site you sick bomb-throwing terrorists getting ideas) but if you think people working in there and are just trying to get every women in there set up with her abortion for the day you are buying into right wing propaganda designed to degrade the health of both our society and our politics.
“Women have freedom and control over their bodies PRIOR to conception. PRIOR to conception. Funny how some only want to focus on controlling their body and the body of another human (the baby) AFTER the deed is done.”
Prior to conception … yup. So do men. As if all this happens in a vacuum of womanly passions. Please.
I urge against focusing on the ‘after-the-fact’ mentality as well, as a Pro-Choice individual. It does us no good except to nip this one in the bud.
I advocate the counseling of young women in the DANGERS OF PREGNANCY. That’s right. We have a backwards way of dealing with this on both sides.
And everyone is cowardly on the issue as a whole. The Pro-Choice people just want to protect the law and that’s it. The Pro-Life people just want to change the law and that’s it.
Both ways the young women effected directly are left out in the rain.
It’s all about prevention, your right.
But the bottom line is that liberals and the Democratic Party has done more to prevent abortion than any Republican ever has.
And we could do a lot more.
Legal, safe and rare. I’m sure you’ve heard that before.
OldLefty Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:10 pm
“From Randall K. O’Bannon, Ph.D…..who takes his info straight from planned parenthood’s 2005-2006 annual report”
…………………..
What does this have to do with ANYTHING?
I notice they leave out from their website: information about prenatal care, parenting, adoption, miscarriage and infertility, pap smears, breast cancer screenings, colposcopy, cryotherapy, and men’s health issues.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Yah know, I was just wondering the same thing Lefty, almost verbatim.
They do alot of good, they are not exclusively abortion oriented.
I wasn’t aware of men’s health issues being handled.
OldLefty Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:21 pm
average james,
Thank you.
On their website they address testicular Cancer, male infertility and male urinary tract infection.
Eric Goeke Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 3:23 pm
“Funny. If all the hip liberals are so great with birth control then why the heck do so many women need abortions? Hmm? And if it isn’t wrong, then why is the decision so hard to make?”
The reason so many women ‘need’ abortions is many fold. Mainly it’s lack of education and poverty. It’s also just the outright insanity of some parents (mostly CONSERVATIVE-TYPES) who treat their children like pets or robots that will obey all their moral rules and somehow reject all of the rest of society to accept this false image of chastity.
I believe Meghan McCain said it recently. That is the Republican Party did not get with the Pro-Sex Youth Movement that the GOP would be GONE in a few decades. It’s true.
Until the so-called “pro-lifers” can see that their repressive attitudes and unwillingness to discuss anything but abstinence while Brittany Spears shakes her goodies on the TV in the back ground … it just doesn’t work.
The ‘blame game’ gets old, real fast. Of course it comes down to the individual women and not some plan from on high … but your side is not helping one little bit BlissfulCon.
I would ask you if you really knwo what Planned Parenthood does? Anything other than propaganda machine stuff?
Mainly all that happens in any Planned Parenthood is just what the name says:
They plan out how you are going to be a parent and when and if you can do it and the challenges you’ll face.
The right wing lie-factory has done the same thing to ACORN that they have done to Planned Parenthood.
They just lie constantly in hopes that nobody does their homework and doesn’t care enough ab out society to look into something before they decide it’s ‘evil.’
And most people are exactly like that.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 3:43 pm
You know, it occurs to me that the right is flailing and torn asunder by their own kind.
Does anybody remember Dobson saying he would just sit this election out because McCain was soft on the abortion issue ? There goes a large chunk of the Christian right. I seem to remember hearing it from others as well, but I can’t pull up any more names.
Also I remember Rush and Levin and others ripping McCain a new one several times prior to the election. On top of that, the unpopularity of Bush43 and the status quo and…… The Republicans can really only blame themselves, although they seem to be devoid of the inward looking, “what was my part in all of this?” skill.
Truth is, there is hypocracy all around, in all camps.
It’s just that Republicans have excelled in it recently and have paid a hefty price.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:00 pm
The shrinking tent that is the Republican party will suffer more losses, in my opinion.
It seems to me that if the Repubublicans can capitalize on the “Tea Party” types, they could widen their base. That is, if it is true that a large number of independents and even disillusioned Democrats were in those numbers. Perhaps they no longer need their evangelical base.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:41 am
The GOP should pass a resolution that marches away from
the Rush-Republican party. Why?
He witnessed his mother being abused by his father. The poor woman castrated the young boy who eventually got bullied in kindergarten. An hallucinated , loud voice allowed him to defend himself effectively. Yet , he remained aloof towards woman, minorities and people of color.
He failed on tv as a result of those scars. He found his niche behind the isolated megaphone. That’s how Rush Limbaugh became the “loud voice “ for the GOP. The heritage foundation paid him by buying his books / newsletters via “whole sell”. The rest is history : He was the chosen boy of Reagan; papa Bush thanked him any way for his failed reelection ; boy W Bush gave him a “ live phone call” thanking him for not stopping Obama Express. He got defeated by the “ Messiah”. He got set up by Sean Hannity with a loaded question. His anal cyst got cleaned by M. Steele
He will not be missed.
Eric Goeke Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 3:30 pm
If Limbaugh were a liberal version of himself … he would be sitting in jail cell right now awaiting trial for public slander and defamation.
And because he is a conservative he will recieve some kind of award when he finally leaves broadcasting.
Face it people … America hates freedom, hates liberty and loves it’s lies that enforce ethnocentric attitudes and subtle racism.
The continued popularity of a hateful, anti-liberal like Limbaugh is proof enough for me.
All American listeners want to hear is Hate Radio.
Well … I’m happy to provide. If I ever go into broadcasting you can count on Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh screaming for my show being pulled.
Because they are both little pussy cats. PURR!
May 21st, 2009 at 10:49 am
Oh please, Blissful. We are sexual creatures. Your tired rants do not resonate with anyone.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:55 am
Funny. If all the hip liberals are so great with birth control then why the heck do so many women need abortions? Hmm? And if it isn’t wrong, then why is the decision so hard to make?
You know Blissy, I was gonna make a joke, but you have p.i.s. s. ed me off. Take your sanctimonious self righteous self on over to the Fox Nation where you will be welcomed with open arms. The only reason you come on this board is to antagonize people you disagree with. You should know by now we are standing firm in our beliefs.
Oh maybe just one joke. I’ve decided that in addtion to mustard, I’ll have extra pickles with my abortion.
Sarah Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 2:17 pm
SGL, I’d have to agree with you on this. In spades.
Eric Goeke Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Look … I don’t agree with any conservative you can pull out in front me … but I’m not that in favor of sending them all away either.
Somehow … no idea how … we need to tear down this stupid Left v. Right Wall and talk American issues as Americans.
“People call me a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.”
“All we are saying is, give peace a chance.”
Lord knows this ain’t easy. Steam and bile is what i do far too often. But politics is nasty, dirty stuff.
Want to feel good all the time? There’s always watching the Disney Channel.
blissfulconservative Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 3:42 pm
SGL
You are standing firm in it allright. The fact is, you can’t stand anyone who isn’t having a love affair with the liberal agenda. The idea of debate is NOT to agree with someone unless they have changed the definition since the last time I looked at Websters.
I find it sad and very telling that you can take an issue like abortion that is so morally wrong and joke about it. Would you come on here and make a joke about the holocaust? How about hiroshima? You gripe constantly about torture tactics, but defend the practice of abortion. What the heck do you think the unborn child goes through? Do you have any idea?
Obviously not.
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Maybe not, but I do know what it feels like to be raped.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Sorry to hear that SGL, big time.
That makes me sad and angry at the same time.
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Thank you James, that was very sweet. Mostly I’m ok, it happened a very long time ago.
Sarah Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Thinkin’ of you, SGL. It happens to the best of us, for sure. :)
Lily Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:04 pm
You have never debated here. You just come here to spew your hatred of liberals. I haven’t seen 1 post of yours that wasn’t nasty and accusing.
Sarah Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Sadly true. For every 2 oz. of intellect Unhappy Conservative shares, there’s 14 oz. of aggressive, demeaning, divisive behavior that accompanies it.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Bliss,
Do you ever consider another point of view ? I’m not saying that it is necessary to agree but, do you ever really think about/consider another’s point of view ?
I’ve never walked in your shoes but what you say may have some validity. I’ll have to give that some thought.
Have either of these thoughts ever occured to you ? Have you ever employed similar devices in reasoning things out ?
It doesn’t appear so here, in your posts. I don’t personally know you but, you remind me of several family members and friends of mine.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:26 am
I think it’s sad/funny how Bliss gets railed for speaking a truth.
If you want to stop the spread of HIV/AIDS, unwanted pregnancies, single parenthood, chronic poverty, wasteful welfare monies, taxpayer funded healthcare, cervical cancer, STD’s etc…The best and most proven way is to not abstain from sex until you are mature enough to marry, and then when married, stay married and don’t philander.
Even practicing safe-sex is not “safe.” average condom use failure rate in real world application is about 15%, including user error. (condoms break or malfunction naturally about 1-2% of the time) according to most studies, and even 100% use condom over a year still yields 2% fertility.
Scarier still is that condoms are only 70% effective in slowing transmission of HPV (which can lead to cervical cancer in women)
I don’t say this to tell anyone not to use condoms or other forms of contraception, but be aware of the risks and before you tell your child it’s ok to go out and screw around as long as you use a condom, just remember it’s not fool proof.
Likewise a friendly warning/reminder to all those that like to sleep around. Perhaps rethink a vow of chastity.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:36 am
typo—-best and most proven way is to not abstain from sex
Should be…best and most proben way is to abstain from sex.
Sarah Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 am
Guido, no one is nailing anyone for speaking the truth. You stated things beautifully and eloquently in your previous post (no worries about the grammo, everyone would have understood anyway). We don’t agree about abortion, but your tone and attitude are respectable.
Using nothing on here but hateful, demeaning, derisive, disrespectful attitudes, however, is enexcusable. And tiring. And does nothing to illuminate the issue.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:02 am
I would like to formally condemn the Republican Party for spreading misinformation and being TOTALITARIAN FASCIST PIGS!
Oh wait … that’s right … I forgot.
When a liberal says something like that I am a total moron but when an entire FORMERLY RESPECTABLE party says it is just funny and a little giggle for some partisan pundit on FOX News.
Great. So we live in American where idiocy and hatred runs strong in the Republicans and if the Democrats even so much as REACT to this stupidity and ignorance and unpatriotic attitudes … then we are deemed ‘radical’ or ‘flamers’ or what have you.
Ridiculous useless politicians should be thrown from office and go get jobs at McDonald’s flipping burgers. Right where they belong.
RDM Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:29 am
Eric said:
“Ridiculous useless poiticians should be thrown from office and go get jobs at McDonalds flipping burgers. Right where they belong”.
Well said; i couldn’t agree more.
steve Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 am
Ditto as Rush Limpo would say.
May 21st, 2009 at 3:14 pm
How “respectful” would it be if the DNC passed a resolution saying Republicans were on a “march toward fascism”?
It is true that Democrats are moving towards Socialism. is it true that Republicans are moving toward fascism?
In the end, the Republican party is going to have to change. In my humble opinion, they would do better by leaving out the vitriol religious right, focus on the concepts of Maximum Individual Liberty, ACT like a fiscal conservative and support and preach individual or local charity.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Do you think it possible Pino ? Or is a whole new party in order ?
Humpty Dumpty Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Yes PINO
Fascism is not a bunch of Aryan white boys running around commiting genocide.
Fascism is forced morality, and Socialism is forced equality.
So you are 100% on this
What’s up James
I think both the Democrats and Republicans need to move back to the Center
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 5:24 pm
What’s up Humpty?
Center is where most of the country seems to reside.
I like the direction we are turning in right now far better than where we were headed. My opinion.
Humpty Dumpty Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 7:25 pm
I hope you’re right AJ
I’m not willing to say that I like the direction
The economy is still in chaos, and I’m not sure if the President is doing the right thing, because if he’s not, well I don’t want to think about it.
No plan for Afghanistan.
Patriot Act, FISA, Rendition
Nobody is being indicted for torture.
Nancy Pelosi asleep at the wheel.
Business as usual on the hill
May 21st, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Or is a whole new party in order ?
The party exists; Libertarian. It’s just that neither D or R will ever support a viable third party.
It will be easier to move past the rhetoric of the militant religious right than it will be to get politicians to stop spending money; that is how they get elected.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Libertarian huh ?
Hmmm, I don’t espouse that theory economically. I believe regulation is in order or we do again what we just did. I would agree with that stance socially. In fact for some years I was one. Actually I think I still am registered as one. I haven’t registered to vote in years because I’ve lived in the same house for 10 years. I vote absentee because I travel for work. They send the ballot and I fill it in and drop it off.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 5:28 pm
I have been tending to agree more and more with the Democrats the last several years. Perhaps I should register as one. I am a liberal, after all.
May 21st, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Republicans were on a “march toward fascism”
I know that Wiki is kinda silly to use as a reference, but reading through wiki, nothing that conservatives extol would be considered fascism.
OldLefty Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:42 pm
From the Oxford English Dictionary
noun
1 an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government. 2 extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
As for Democrats and socialism… get back to us when we have ‘cradle to grave security’
By the way it’s funny that the only economy that is going gangbusters right now is Norway:
“When capitalism seemed on the verge of collapse last fall, Kristin Halvorsen, Norway’s socialist finance minister and a longtime free-market skeptic, did more than crow.
As investors worldwide sold in a panic, she bucked the tide, authorizing Norway’s $300 billion sovereign wealth fund to ramp up its stock-buying program by $60 billion — or about 23 percent of Norway’s economic output.
“The timing was not that bad,” Halvorsen said, smiling with satisfaction over the broad worldwide market rally that began in early March.
The global financial crisis has brought low the economies of just about every country. But not Norway.
With a quirky contrariness as deeply etched in the national character as the fjords carved into its rugged landscape, Norway has thrived by going its own way. When others splurged, it saved. When others sought to limit the role of government, Norway strengthened its cradle-to-grave welfare state.”
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Norway is also at the top of the list in alot of areas.
Personal wealth, literacy, health of it’s citzens, etc..
By the way, I’m about half Norweigian myself. Hehehe
I’m a third generation Norweigian, French, Irish, Scottish-American.
The Onoin had a piece a couple of months ago about “Norway returns to a pillage based economy”, I about peed laughing.
average james Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Today’s Onion has a story called:
“Texas constructs US wall to keep out unwanted Americans”
Lily Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I remember one from a few months ago about the UN stockpiling WMDs.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:29 am
It’ll be interesting to see if Norway can keep it up over any sustained period of time.
Nobody has been able to do it yet.
May 21st, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Fascism is forced morality
If that is the definition that you use, then I would agree; the right seems to preach morality. While I do think it’s important to operate from a moral strong ground, preaching is a poor political recruiting tool.
Socialism is forced equality.
THAT is laughable. While I admit you don’t define what that means, I get the feeling it has something to do with the fact that you and I should earn about the same amount of money.
regulation is in order or we do again what we just did.
Interesting. I think many from my standpoint would say that regulation is what got us into the problem to begin with.
==queue Lefty’s Recital on what caused this==
From the Oxford English Dictionary
Jeez Lefty, how hard do you look to find the worst possible picture?
Does that sound ANYTHING like Conservatism? If anything, it sounds more dem than repub. No conservative is FOR big centralized government.
May 21st, 2009 at 7:10 pm
I’m not talking about preaching, they can preach whatever they want.
The far right seems to want to legislate what they preach.
The far left would like nothing more than to tax the snot out of anybody who is well off, and distributing it among the poor, in effect raising the poor and lowering the rich.
Maybe my explination is to simplistic, but it’s all I got.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:04 pm
raising the poor and lowering the rich.
Except it doesn’t work that way. It has been demonstrated that if you don’t tax people, more money is spent to generate more money.
Does the concept of hard work coupled with risk mean anything to you?
OldLefty Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 8:47 pm
I’m sorry, I think this is a myth.
The 2001 and 2003 tax cuts have not paid for themselves. There is no evidence that the tax cuts caused any increase in economic growth, let alone growth sufficient to offset their cost. In fact, the 2001-2007 economic expansion was among the weakest since World War II with regard to overall economic growth.
According to the Office of Management and Budget and U.S. Census Bureau data, Real per-capita revenues fell deeply in 2001, 2002, and 2003 and have since risen to barely 2 percent above their 2001 level. Over the course of other postwar economic expansions, they grew by an average of 12 percent.
This has been a system based on privatizing the profits , and socializing the risk not on hard work, then taking your taxes and factories off shore.
Humpty Dumpty Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 8:52 pm
ME!!!
When did I say that I’m for socialism?
I said the R’s and the D’s need to move back to the center.
I am 100% capitalist
May 21st, 2009 at 8:34 pm
There is no evidence that the tax cuts caused any increase in economic growth
Even Obama’s own economic adviser admits this.
Real per-capita revenues fell deeply in 2001
Pssst…..sparky. 9/11
OldLefty Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Previous tax cuts did not pay for themselves either. In 1981, when Congress substantially lowered marginal income tax rates on the well-off, supporters claimed the cuts would boost economic growth. In 1990 and 1993, when Congress raised marginal income tax rates on the well-off, opponents claimed the increases would harm the economy.
In fact, the economy grew at about the same rate in the 1990s, following tax increases, as in the 1980s, following a large tax cut.( U.S. Commerce Department data.), And revenues grew twice as fast in the in the 1990s (3.5 percent in real per-capita terms) as in the 1980s (1.5 percent).( Office of Management and Budget and U.S. Census Bureau data.)
May 21st, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Alan said: The plan to refer to the Democratic Party as the “Democrat Socialist Party” has been voted down by the RNC. They did, however, agree to condemn Democrats for “a march toward socialism.”
K: The Republican Party would much better spend it’s time finding a principle to stand on…
average james Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Agreed Kregg.
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Just curious, Alan…what is your definition of “socialsim?”
OldLefty Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Just curious, Deb, is your definition of free market capitalism, monoploly with a handful of corporations controlling everything while the government subsidizes and protects them from competition?
Is free market capitalism where you privatize the profits and socialize the costs, losses and risks?
Deb Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
No, this is more of my definition; what’s yours?
Economic system characterized by the following: private property ownership exists; individuals and companies are allowed to compete for THEIR OWN economic gain; and free market forces (NOT THE GOVERNMENT)determine the prices of goods and services. Such a system is based on the premise of separating the state and business activities. Capitalists believe that markets are efficient and should thus function without interference, and the role of the state is to regulate and protect.
OldLefty Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Yes but that has probably never happened here.
Monopoly, price gouging and speculation determine the prices of goods and services.
Nobody runs to the government for handouts more than the big multinational corporations.
“the role of the state is to regulate and protect.”
And the GOP has worked hard to dismantle those protections.
Who goes crying to the government to stop the consumer from shopping for cheaper drugs in Canada?
Or uses an oppressive government in China to assure a poor and compliant source of cheap labor?
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
May 23rd, 2009 at 3:21 am
OldLefty,
Do you not recognize that Obama regulated Chrysler into quasi-government decision making, and is doing the same thing to GM, Obama essentially gave Chrysler to a foreign company. The more you read about how these deals are being made the more egregious Obama’s actions become.
There’s a point where regulations are acceptable and there’s a point where they become intrusive and anti-private ownership, the government should not be making long or short term viability or marketing decisions for private corporations.
OldLefty Reply:
May 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 am
GuidoVanHorn,
After almost 30 years of putting the foxes in charge of the chicken coup, now the foxes come whining to the government complaining that they ate all the chickens and need more.
Obama was right to pay back union creditors over the secured creditors. Much of the blame goes to speculators, who are to blame for Chrysler’s bankruptcy. Investors together hold about $1 billion of Chrysler’s secured debt. The Treasury offered to pay all of Chrysler’s senior lenders $2.25 billion in cash if they forgave most of the company’s debts. Hedge fund managers and the others demanded more, arguing they would receive at least that much, and possibly more, under ordinary bankruptcy proceedings.
Don’t forget, JPMorgan Chase and other large banks involved in the negotiations are, to greater and lesser degrees, beholden to Washington. Many have received billions of taxpayer dollars, as well as other generous subsidies.
Many of the Wall Street firms holding Chrysler bonds may also own credit default swaps that they bought to hedge their bets. These swaps, which are essentially like an insurance policy on the bonds should Chrysler default, were likely mostly issued by AIG.
From Motor Trend magazine:
“Free marketers may be apoplectic at President Obama’s unprecedented intervention in the affairs of private companies (although without our money, neither of these companies would be in business today, so it’s perhaps not unreasonable we taxpayers have some say in how they are run). But these are unprecedented times. And the myth of the free market collapsed along with the American financial system last year.
The bottom line is our government has a duty of care to protect its citizens from harm, including economic harm. Like Barack Obama, George W. Bush feared a massive surge in unemployment as a result of the collapse of the American auto industry would further damage the fragile economy, which is why he went against his own party’s hard-line ideologues and personally approved loaning taxpayer money to GM and Chrysler late last year.
Pragmatism, not socialism.”
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Old Lefty, I actually agree with you. But I am not so delusioned as to believe socialism is the answer. I would prefer to work to try for something closer to this definition.
OldLefty Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:09 pm
We’ve always had a combination of capitalism and socialism
I think Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower would be called socialists by today’s standards.
May 22nd, 2009 at 6:52 pm