Alan Keyes’ Running Mate: “I Am Glad George Tiller Is Dead” (UPDATED)
Wiley Drake, who was Alan Keyes’ running made during Keyes’s last attempt at the presidency, said on his radio program, “I am glad George Tiller is dead” and “…it’s an answer to prayer.”
Drake, pastor at the First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, CA., also referred to Tiller as ”a brutal, murdering monster” and said he is “grateful to God” that he’s no longer around. Drake says about a year ago he began “imprecatory prayer,” meaning he prayed for evil. Drake is also praying imprecatorily for Americans United for Separation of Church and state.
“This man, George Tiller, was far greater in his atrocities than Adolf Hitler,” Drake said. “So I am happy. I am glad that he is dead. Now I am sad that he went to hell, because he had a choice just like everybody else did. He could have chosen Jesus Christ and when he died went to heaven. But he chose the devil. He chose to neglect, he chose to reject Jesus Christ. And therefore on Sunday morning when he breathed his last breath there in the Lutheran church, he breathed his last breath, and he slipped into the presence of the devil. And I have a strange hunch and a strange feeling that there is a special, superheated, super-hot place in hell for people like George Tiller.”
Drake also supported James Kopp, who killed Buffalo abortion doctor Barnett Slepian in 1998.
UPDATE: Wiley Drake told me on radio that he did not support the declaration suporting Kopp and that he asked the Army of God to take his name off that declaration. He did say that he suspects that somehow Obama is connected to the death of Tiller, as that side of the debate benefits from such an action.
“Far greater in his atrocities than Adolf Hitler.” Man where is a time-travel machine when you need it. I didn’t know Dr. Tiller was using the Third Reich to take over the world as a doctor in Kansas. This pastor thinks his “imprecatory” prayer was answered by God? He might been in for a surprise when he realizes who really answered it.
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Which is why I will never darken the door of a Baptist church.
Danielle Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Amen to that. Most Southern Baptists are freaking crazy. THIS man is evil, for walking around portraying himself as a Christian when that hateful trash comes out of his mouth. What a hypocrite. He is disgusting!
flap Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:29 pm
“Most Southern Baptists are freaking crazy.”
Isn’t that bigoted or prejudiced or something?
average james Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
I grew up in a southern baptist household Flap. No playing outside on sundays, no rock and roll, no dancing, no Democrats, no alcohol, no smoking, no sex(not even an educational talk),etc.. However, plenty of screaming at other drivers, loud and scary fights between mom and dad, ridicule of anyone who thinks, votes, or worships differently, etc..
No wonder my sister and I turned to drugs and alcohol.
So, yah, crazy fits pretty well.
flap Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:05 pm
I guess there are very few liberal Southern Baptists, then, I take it? :)
Yeah, if you’re raised too conservatively I suppose rebellion is very likely. I read something in a Christian book about being strong-minded. Not closed-minded but not too open-minded either. I guess that’s how you need to be with children…try to inculcate certain values, but if you push too far, or are too strict, they can go off the deep end with drugs, alcohol, etc.
But I’m glad you made it through all that crap, AJ! I was blessed to be raised somewhat conservatively but not too strictly religiously, if that makes any sense. :)
Danielle Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:22 am
Flap -
You have no idea how much I wish I could say I met some that were not crazy. I just don’t happen to know any that aren’t crazy….but maybe there is some out there – if you find any let me know :)
BlueDemKev Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Danielle,
Bill Clinton is a Southern Baptist. :)
Seriously though, I agree that extremism (and hypocrisy) on the part of parents (particularly in regard to religion) leads directly to a child’s rebellion as they get older. I am a former teacher and remember a 14-yr old girl in my class who was raised by a very strict Mormon father. Example–four days before she was to attend an out-of-town academic-related competition, the dad found out she wouldn’t be arriving back home until Sunday (not Saturday). He prohibited her from going because he said his entire family MUST be together for worship on Sundays(!!!)
A few months ago, this former student (now 21) and I reconnected thru Facebook. She is now a hard-core atheist and says she’ll never EVER consider Christianity again. How sad.
Kregg Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
SGL: Which is why I will never darken the door of a Baptist church.
K: Serious question: Do you “darken the door” of any church?
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Kregg,
I don’t wear my religion on my sleeve like some of the self rightous types that post here, but yes I do go to church. Shocking isn’t it. A Christian liberal…………………………………………………………….
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Wearing your religion on your sleeve as you put it, makes you self rightous?? Wow, I thought it made you a proud Christian.
Don’t think God intended us to hide our beliefs or stifle them to please other people.
Kregg Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:53 pm
SGL said: I don’t wear my religion on my sleeve like some of the self rightous types that post here, but yes I do go to church. Shocking isn’t it. A Christian liberal….
K: No, I don’t find it shocking at all. There are LOTS of christian liberals. I was just curious. Its hard to get a full picture of other correspondents sometimes and I’d not seen you post anything that would have led me to believe you did or didn’t go to church.
EricG Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
“K: Serious question: Do you “darken the door” of any church?”
What does that matter?
I think it doesn’t matter at all. One way or the other. I don’t care if your a Deacon or a everyday bumpkin who never read a word of scripture. I don’t care if your a zealot or a anti-religion secularist.
Doesn’t matter one bit.
And this is why I left the church and I’m never going back, not the way they want anyway.
Clink, clink. That money in the pan might help feed some children or clothe the homeless but God doesn’t care about your money nor your time in church.
So again … what does it matter?
Is not all of God’s Kingdom all around us?
I think prayer is important but I see most ‘guided prayer’ as something I don’t want part of, personally.
I believe my ‘church’ is the land, not a building.
I would, and have, ‘darkened’ the door of many houses of God.
But they are the ones who claim I ‘darkened’ the door in the aftermath of hearing my true thoughts on Jesus and The Lord. There is no such thing as people of this age contemplating The Word. Just blind obedience.
Maybe Jewish faith, they seem from the outside to share in my feelings that exploring scripture and not just literally taking it in like a novel you have to memorize for a class or something tawdry like that.
I think it disrespects the Bible to do what Drake and all these hate-mongers of our society do with it. I see it as an affront to God.
Kregg Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:34 pm
“Kprv to SGL: Serious question: Do you “darken the door” of any church?”
The Eric said: What does that matter?
K: I was curious. That ok with you?
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:17 pm
This just confirms what a lunatic Keyes is.
average james Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Yup
Big time.
Daddio Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:56 am
Now, now, now, you know what Alan Colmes says about guilt by association. Remember Obama/Wright? Obama/Ayers?
Can’t have it both ways Rocky.
average james Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:19 am
Daddio,
Fair point.
I guess I would say that they are both wacked, individually and as a team.
I am very aware of Keyes. He is indeed, out there, in my opinion.
deeznuts Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Are you seriously trying to compare the relationships?
Keyes is a lot closer to this dude than Obama ever was to Wright or Ayers.
And this:
“He did say that he suspects that somehow Obama is connected to the death of Tiller”
*facepalm*
What a buffoon.
EricG Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:34 pm
“Now, now, now, you know what Alan Colmes says about guilt by association. Remember Obama/Wright? Obama/Ayers?”
You got a point that Keyes and Drake are not the same man. Keyes does what he does and Drake the same.
But remember what Keyes DID do … he freaked out on a religious BS kick about ‘little babies’ at Notre Dame and never once flipped out like that on Bush as we bombed Iraq.
Just like Drake.
I guilt is visited by their own words and not their connection. But the guilt is shared for the same crime of being an unamerican piece of insanity.
Drake practices black magic and will pay dearly for this sins.
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:16 pm
I agree with the posters above. This guy is nuts. He absolutely contributes to the bad press many people have for Christians and their causes.
average james Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Yah Pino,
What a wonderful individual and a great ambassador for Christ. Geez.
This guy is the embodiment of why Christians get the bad rap. What Christ is he following ?
Danielle Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Yeah…very Christ-like behavior; I’m sure Jesus would be very proud of him. He probably believes that too – what a sicko!!!
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Because he thinks a doctor’s livelihood based on baby-killing is wrong he is a piece of crap?
What’s wrong with the world is the vilification of those individuals with overzealous but reasonable gut moral reactions to unspeakable atrocities such as late-term abortion that are downplayed into fcking medical or reproductive procedures. It’s truly disgusting.
Tiller’s murder was by NO MEANS justified. It was WRONG. IMMORAL. EVIL. BAD. The guy who did it should be PUNISHED. However, it is understandable. It is morally no different than a father murdering some lousy jerkoff who raped/molested or murdered his daughter. No different. I view Tiller as one of those lousy jerkoffs. I feel for his family but he made a living out of snuffing out nascent life. Not much of a physician, or a human being, to say the least.
Have you all ever read the Hippocratic Oath? The original version (that med schools never have you recite) forbids abortion. “I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.”
flap Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Again, to all of you libs that get your kicks pegging people as right-wing extremists, read this:
TILLER’S MURDER WAS BY NO MEANS JUSTIFIED. IT WAS WRONG. IMMORAL. EVIL. BAD. THE GUY WHO DID IT SHOULD BE PUNISHED.
Danielle Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:21 pm
No, he is a piece of crap for his hateful mentality and for the way he portrays Christianity!
flap Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Well, he goes over the line, no doubt. You shouldn’t pray for someone to die.
And I do take offense with his interpretation of Christianity. The whole thrust of salvation and the gospel in Christianity is unmerited grace. You don’t earn it based on how good you are and you don’t lose it based on how bad you are.
average james Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Flap,
Well said my brother.
It aint about keeping the rules and brownie points.
Grace is a beautiful thing.
It changed me.
The good news.
flap Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Grace is indeed a beautiful thing!!
Daddio Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:58 am
We should all pray for Wiley Drake.
EricG Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:37 am
Flap – Absolutely. I believe you said anything I had to say on the matter.
This right here is better proof than any one opinion that this kind mentality is indeed fringe and not accepted by people who are thinking people.
deeznuts Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Wow.
Wow.
You have absolutely no idea what Tiller did for a living. None whatsoever.
You think you know. But you don’t. I suggest you endeavor to find out before you post again.
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
TILLER’S MURDER WAS BY NO MEANS JUSTIFIED. IT WAS WRONG. IMMORAL. EVIL. BAD. THE GUY WHO DID IT SHOULD BE PUNISHED.
Well said.
average james Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Agreed, Flap and Pino.
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
The idiot either doesn’t know or doesn’t care that Hitler agrees with him about abortion.
Under Hitler, first abortion got both the woman and the doctor an stiff fine.
Second abortion got the woman and the doctor a heavy fine, prison time, and the doctor lost his license.
Third abortion: death penalty for both the woman and the doctor.
average james Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
I have never heard that. Is it in fact true? Boogie that is one wild bit of info.
craig7120 Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Hats off to ya Boogie for that piece of knowledge.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 am
I mentioned this in the other post that he said this in…but abortion was controlled in the 3rd Reich as a means of eugenics. Aryans were not allowed abortions, but it was generally ignored amongst the non-aryan population. It had less to do with moral/legal standing as it was about raising an aryan nation.
So yes, Hitler was anti-aryan-abortion.
average james Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
Guido,
I’d bet money that you nailed it.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 4:45 am
of course I wasn’t there so there is always the chance I was wrong…but the wiki pages I read agreed with me.
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Why would he pray badly against AU? I am a practicing Catholic and I agree with AU.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Alan Keyes—one of the most tasteless and unelectable jokes in American politics—has an even worse sense in selecting a worthy running mate than Al Gore.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Once again we see the term “pro-life” apply to selective catagories of people.
average james Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Excellent point Danielle,
Indeed we do.
flap Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:07 pm
I don’t even like the terms pro-life and pro-choice. They’re meaningless.
It should be anti-abortion and pro-abortion with respect to the legality of the procedure.
dawn Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Flap, I do not have an argument with the term pro-life being inaccurate since so many of the “pro-lifers” are selectively pro-life But Pro-choice is accurate as opposed to pro-abortion. Flap, NO ONE is pro abortion. Life is all about choices and unfortunately we don’t always make the right ones.
flap Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 pm
That’s why I worded it “with respect to the legality of the procedure.” Pro-baby-life would be more proper.
Why is abortion bad? I don’t get why people say that “no one is for abortion” and then they say it should be up to an individual! WHY? If there’s nothing wrong with it, why are you against it?
dawn Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:05 am
Guess we are just parsing words. I did not say abortion is bad. I am just pointing out no woman is in favor of putting themselves in the position of needing an abortion, but ALL women would like freedom of making a choice should an unwanted wanted pregnancy occur.
craig7120 Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Danielle we are gonna see back peddling from the religious right. Cant be pro-life with that kinda of action. But hey Ive read posts sayin prolife vs. ‘abortion good’ ;-) on here.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Dr. Tiller was killed by idealism. He encountered the most dangerous creature on earth: the man who knows that God is on his side.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:43 pm
>Once again we see the term “pro-life” apply to selective catagories of people.
Much the same way we see “pro-choice”. If you don’t approve of war and death penalty, why don’t you categorize yourself “anti-death”?
average james Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:28 am
Ok Pino,
I’m anti-death.
EricG Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Me, too.
I’m against the death penalty, war and vigilante violence.
Heck, I’m a pacifist. I’m against all violence, period.
You find some moron to punch me in the face and we can all have a moment as we witness something not seen on this side of the globe in … forever I guess. Someone actually standing up and not becoming an animal for an injury.
This is partly why the “pro-life” people make me want to vomit.
Not one of them loves life once it leaves the womb. Like most people they are walking balls-of-rage waiting for someone to punch them so they can vent their sadness on someone with fists a clenched.
Who would Jesus beat the crap out of?
So I’m one-upping you, Pino.
Not only am I, and most every liberal, anti-death … I personally am a ‘holy-roller’ I guess. I should go out and teach the masses how to love or something ….
Show me on conservative, neo-con, Bush-supporting, anti-choice and / or Republican who can say such things without lying to your face.
Exactly.
Danielle Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Yep, that whole GOP mentality ~ “protected until out of the womb”.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:25 pm
That is simply untrue.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Drake promotes death. That’s all there is to understand about him.
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:34 am
but ALL women would like freedom of making a choice should an unwanted wanted pregnancy occur.
How about the fathers that would want to KEEP the baby should an unwanted pregnancy occur?
EricG Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
The fathers are not put at any risk to their life or well-being by the pregnancy. They should be respected in their wishes, I believe. But in the end the law must protect the rights of the mother over all others.
This simple point is the real argument and so-called Pro-lifers are avoiding it for a reason.
Once everyone is educated on this issue the fact that only by destroying our progress as a nation and slipping back into a more twisted and theocratic America by means of religious fervor.
If we talk about ‘public policy’ instead of ’souls’ and ‘babies’ then the whole argument goes away. Then it becomes obvious to people not deluded or ignorant to facts.
There is NO public policy proposed to the nation by these sick ground except to make a medical procedure illegal and then nothing else.
They may not know it but they want to kill women. They are promoting dead women while they scream about dead babies.
All pro-lifers are hypocrites. I’ve taken in the homeless and helped in raising children nto my own.
Pro-Lifers and all these FOX News Fakes who just pretend to care are all flaming idiots who only care about hearing their ideology bounced back at them and nothing for the weak and the suffering.
If even one of these people stood with Jesus they would be offering to adopt the children and supporting the law as it is while helping women find better solutions and ways to avoid early pregnancy.
Instead they stand with The Church of Bill O’Reilly. The Lord and Master of the Ignorant.
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:22 am
“What’s wrong with the world is the vilification of those individuals with overzealous but reasonable gut moral reactions…”
Gut reactions are among the single-most greatest causes of idiocy and absolute abominations going back through all of human history to the beginning of time.
“It was WRONG. IMMORAL. EVIL. BAD. The guy who did it should be PUNISHED. However, it is understandable.”
It’s only understandable because the majority of people are mental defectives who can’t distinguish between “thinking” and “gut reactions,” and among the religious that runs to 99%.
“It is morally no different than a father murdering some lousy jerkoff who raped/molested or murdered his daughter.”
Yeah it is different because by definition a “daughter” has been born.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:51 am
All wrap up in a trash bag. Drake along with Keyes. If you don,t like abortion,go to the voting booth.
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:43 am
Boy, Alan Keyes sure knows how to pick ‘em, doesn’t he?
As a Christian, I want to assure everyone that lunatics like Drake do NOT in any way represent Jesus Christ or His great love for humanity.
average james Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Well said Bluedemkev.
I totally agree.
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Alan said; Drake says about a year ago he began “imprecatory prayer,” meaning he prayed for evil.
K: For those interested in the meaning of words:
Dictionary: Imprecation – “a spoken curse”
K: Imprecation is NOT necessarily ‘evil’ so Alan is once again putting the worst possible spin on this guy’s actions to suit his own political – or simply snarky – ends. At least he’s consistent…
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Imprecation is evil.
Who did Jesus pray imprecatory prayer against?
Name this person.
“At least he’s consistent…”
That’s nice to say that. But do you say the same of Wright? Do you say the same of some radical leftist or a terrorist?
What Drake does is evil. Nothing less than Black Magic.
Praying for death. He soul is twisted and his mind is sick with possible mental illness.
There is a reason why right wingers grab unto him and want him on the airwaves.
It’s because he is proclaiming himself as God as far as they care. He speaks as if there is one reading but even among fundamentalists there is no ONE SINGLE INTERPRETATION of The Word.
So if you preach hate and killing people the right wing is coming with you.
And if you preach love and helping people, like Christ did, then the right wing will abandon you and go looking for their next evil mouth to pray to.
Kregg Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Eric, you get into some bad weed?
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