James W. von Brunn: From Bigot To Birther
Of course, the first thing certain conservatives asked after the shooting at the Holocaust Museum was whether the shooter was Muslim. The white supremacists at Stormfront hoped it was a Muslim. But James W. von Brunn is the white founder of a website (now offline, it appears) called Holy Western Empire.
Von Brunn is being described as a member of the high IQ society Mensa who served time for attempting a citizens arrest (also called a kidnapping) of Federal Reserve Board members in 1981. He was arrested at the Federal Reserve on December 7 of that year with a revolver, a hunting knife, and a sawed-off shotgun in his possession. He wanted to take his prey hostage to protest high interest rates.
“I intended to bind their hands, and persuade them to appear on Television,” von Brunn wrote on his site, www.holywesternempire.org. “There, on camera, I intended to read to the American public my indictment of these treasonous liars. If I survived I expected to be arrested, then stand trial before a jury of my peers.”
He served 6 1/2 years of an 11 year sentence and referred to himself as a “political prisoner.”
According to the autobiography on his Web site, von Brunn served on a PT boat during the Second World War and was based on Corsica, an island off the southeast coast of France. He wrote of recovering a Nazi flag from an enemy boat and keeping it until it was “destroyed” after his “house was torched in 1977.”
In 2002, von Brunn published on his Web site a book that detailed anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, with chapters such as “the Holocaust Hoax” and “the Negro.” The book was mostly anti-Semitic but also attacked all non-white ethnicities.
“We are witnessing today on the world stage a tragedy of enormous proportions: the calculated destruction of the White Race,” he wrote.
He threatened to take action against minority races, writing “we will offer a plan to remove the cancer from our cultural organism.”
Von Brunn also decried “the browning of America” and wrote of a Jewish conspiracy “to destroy the White gene-pool.” He posted to various right-wing websites, including Free Republic, where this cached thread (the original was taken down) contains anti-Obama rants. As such, he was also part of the birther movement claiming there is no valid birth certificate for President Obama. The sad part about this is that we have elected officials trying to give this craziness credibility. Congressman Bill Posey of Florida introduced a bill that would require presidential candidates to file copies of birth certificates, and Rep. Bob Goodlatte of Virginia is a co-sponsor. Interesting company they keep.
I just read a little about James W. Von Brunn. I think he will burn in hell. How could somebody do such a thing? My paryers go to the family of the deceased who this sick person murdered.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
As I see it, one of the great things about America is that, in a sense, we’re a mongrel: our gene pool is very mixed. I personally love that. It’s one of the things that makes us great and strong.
I don’t understand all the antisemitism around. Sometimes I think that’s proof that God exists because His people are constantly being persecuted and hated. Why? Because many Jews are talented, successful, and in high places? More power to them. I don’t get it…above my pay grade.
Throw this guy under the jail.
flap Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
“Interesting company they keep.”
Ahem, Alan, just because this moron agrees with a relatively fringe issue that some Republicans ascribe to doesn’t mean they’re all the same. Isn’t that guilt by association? The association is a stretch, anyway.
average james Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Hey there Flap,
I feel your post.
Interesting, the ceaseless persecution of the Jews. It is my belief that it does indeed give verasity to the bible and its, prophecy.
“Throw this guy under the jail.”—That’s an instant classic Flap.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
I’d like to get a look at Mr. von Brunn’s car.
Ford Taurus? Jesus fish on the trunk lid?
flap Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
There you go again with the anti-Taurus bigotry. I won’t stand for it, as I used to be the proud owner of a Taurus a long time ago.
average james Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Anti-Taurus bigotry is a blight on our society, to be sure.
However, I will stand by every americans right to anti-Taurus sentiment, it is our 1st amendment right. D#mmit !!!
Joel Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Reports so far show that he drives a red Hyundai. Seems like a strange choice for a white supremacist.
average james Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Yes,
An odd choice, kinda funny, in a way.
EricG Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Didn’t you know all white supremacists drive El Caminos?
I guess Van Brunn was really a great guy after all.
Daddio Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Bill Clinton mentioned he owned an El Camino once. Even had astro turf in the back. :)
June 10th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
The “tragedy of enormous proportions” is that von Brunn and his ilk are so numerous in today’s world. How sick does it get before such people can awaken from the nightmare of the bottomless pit of hate they embody?
…And, I can’t help but ask..what has been the influence of the media megapersonality bullymongers? Can they claim innocense when they daily feed the psychopathology of ignoring the oneness of humanity?
The additional tragedy is that von Brunn has lived 88 years and has yet to experience love……..because no one who ever has known love could be capable of his despicable actions. The hell of being him is beyond my comprehension.
If given the choice, I would sooner live the short and courageous life of the security guard who was able to take action to save the lives of others than to be condemmed to live as a von Brunn for any amount of time. He is an example of a person no one should become..ever!
BIGFOOT Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 5:08 am
Very well said Mary.You are the voice of reason.
average james Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Mary,
Good post.
I too, pity von Brunn and those like him.
What a miserable existence.
average james Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Good post Mary.
What a miserable world him and others like him live in.
I feel sorry for them.
average james Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Sorry about the repeats,
Nothing happened so I did it more than once, trying new phrasing. Musta got caught in the filter somehow.
EricG Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
I find your words ring very true.
It may be hard for some to hear but I pray and continue to pray to protect all life, even that of Van Brunn.
This is the message I never hear in the world of spite and spitting back and forth via TV set; that all life is sacred and we must find a way to live together in peace.
These messages kill ratings. That’s the big secret of the modern media. Even if they wanted to have a more ‘friendly’ media at FOX or MSNBC … they have to pull in the ratings and people really will turn off the channel and never tune back in if they have to hear anything but ‘the other guy is evil, you are perfect.’ It’s a shame.
Thank you again for sharing some sanity in this thread, Mary.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
I don’t believe your argument, Mr. Colmes. That was the worst logical reasoning I have read in a long time. I use to watch your show all the time, I don’t remember your logical reasoning being so poor. How in any way does it relate that a person who believes in the racial superiority of whites (a very stupid, scientifically verifiably incorrect, illogical assumption, and bad history in what he claims about the Jews)make everyone who believes that Obama has never shown a true Hawian birth certificate (something completely different) stupid and illogical? Why was this person’s wacked out beliefs and prejudice in any way an indictment of so called birthers? Seems to be a position taken by people who cannot answer the birthers very clear and easily dismissed claims, if not true. By the way Obama could clear this whole question up real easy, yet decides to instead use the Court and waste his and others money and the court’s time when he could just release the proof of his being born in the USA. That seems to me to raise the old prosecutor’s question of what is he hiding and why is he spending so much time and money to keep birth documents out of the public? So much for transparity.
What this person, Von Brun, did was very wrong and he will ultimately pay for what he did, either in this life or the next when he ets to come face to face with and meet the Jewish G-d.
My condolenses goes out to the hero guards’ families. They are suffering a great loss right now, but I for one want to thank the families for the heros who gave their lives to save the lives of others who they did not even know. No one knows how many lifes they saved today with their ultimate sacrifice. Their lives had meaning and they showed the greatest love, in that they laid down their lives for others-See New Testiment Bible.
flap Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
If Obama really was not born in the United States, you don’t think that would have come out in a “mainstream” way?
Don’t sound like the 9/11 Truthers. There’s no cover-up. And I’m no huge fan of Obama, by the way.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:41 am
Flap: And I’m no huge fan of Obama, by the way.
—
I feel like I’ve been deceived all this time….
flap Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Yep, I admit it. Not a fan of Obama.
Not a fan of abortion, either, in case you were wondering.
EricG Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Kurt-
Rather than address the issue at hand you predictably wasted our time with your Birther nonsense that only makes sense to people who subscribe to moronic logic like that of Alex Jones or Michael Savage or Rush Limbaugh.
The fact remains the right wing websites and the right wing elements of society is what this man related with.
The fact remains that soooo many people would need to be involved in your little conspiracy that it begs logical reasoning that so many people would keep this hushed up from so many different depts and places.
You should trying to run game on us and just be honest and straight with your fellow Americans.
You hate Obama. You hate him so much at no matter what he does you can’t stand him holding high office and just want him dead or gone at any cost. Your as good as a terrorist but you don’t have the balls to say it outright so you hide behind the coat tails of Jerome Corsi and his BS lie about Obama’s birth cert.
You and all you fricken right wingers are closer to terrorists than anything else. This becomes less my opinion and more just a simple fact everyday.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
First of all let me say that my heart and prays go out to the family and friends of Officer Stephen Tyrone Johns who was slain today in the line of duty.
Its a shame that in his dissertation Alan couldn’t find the space to at least mention the officer’s name.
But it was duly noted that Alan didn’t miss the chance to use the death of a true American Hero to once again further his “guilt by association” argument.
EricG Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
No matter what Alan does you fricken right wingers always find a way to make it about how much he sucks and not about the real issue of the day.
An issue like right wing extremism taking hold on this nation. And issue like hatred in the media being almost exclusive to the Republican biased media.
These people have lost their lives and my prayers go with them. I hope they all rest in peace.
But to ignore the truth of what the Republicans have wrought into this nation is not American nor patriotic.
It is one more step toward more violence in the name of the ‘truth.’
June 10th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
a bill that would require presidential candidates to file copies of birth certificates
It’s a qualification for the job. When Obama applied for a job as a pizza delivery guy, I am sure he had to provide proof of driving license.
pino Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
That’s probably not fair. Obama hasn’t applied for a job in his life.
Sorry to all pizza delivery guys.
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Jobless claims down and retail sales.
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Retail sales up.
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Steve said: Jobless claims down and retail sales.
K: Yup, imagine that. And the ’stimulus’ money hasn’t even been injected into the economy yet. Makes you doubt the claims, huh?
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
However ,they said the stmulus money needs to be used. Some of money has been injected into the economy.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:50 am
thank you Pino..
aside from Obama (I think he was born in Hawaii, I’m satisfied in that) it should be a requirement to prove place of birth…as it’s a constitutional requirement.
Dems should just pass this common sense bill.
Daddio Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Being a natural born US citizen is a Constitutional requirment. So making it mandatory to require candidates for the presidency to file their certificats of live birth is not only justified but makes perfect common sense.
Why would anyone object to this?
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Could it be the poor sense of timing? Over two hundred years of white males as president and now it’s a burning issue.
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:04 am
SGL said: Could it be the poor sense of timing? Over two hundred years of white males as president and now it’s a burning issue.
K: SGL, apparently for over 200 years no one has hidden their birth certificate – until now. The question remains – why has BO NOT shown his?
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Kregg,
I am not getting into a peeing contest with you today regarding the ridiculous issue of a birth certificate. His middle name is Hussein. His father was black. His mother was white. Deal with it.
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Do any of you guys have a US passport?
The requirement is simple:proof of birth certificate.
Then maybe the federal government is not competent enough to recognise a fake birth birth
certificate, as far as you are concerned.
Then again, Obama will never be accepted to be
“ONE OF US” by some of you, no matter what!
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:14 am
SGL said: I am not getting into a peeing contest with you today regarding the ridiculous issue of a birth certificate.
K: Your first sensible decision of the day. Everyone knows that guys can shoot farther than girls… Kind of a rifle vs. shotgun kind of thing if you get my drift…
SGL: His middle name is Hussein. His father was black. His mother was white. Deal with it.
K: I would consider it dealt with when I see those facts on an original birth certificate issued by an American state. Simple enough to comply with – but he won’t do it which raises legitimate questions about whether or not he can.
TDro319 Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
SGL;
Shhhhh. Let the right wingers play with the “illegal immigrant” tinfoil hat thing for awhile. It give us grownups time to work on important things – like dealing with 2 wars, the economy, unemployment, etc..
Daddio Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Southern Girl just called our founding fathers rediculous. Well not exactly, but calling the birth certificate issue rediculous is calling the part of our Constitution that specifically says a President of the US must be a natural born citizen rediculous. It is a Constitutional requirement and if there is even the slightest question about ones citizenship then one should put the whole issue to rest by releasing ones certificate of live birth. By refusing to do so only piles more questions on his legitimacy.
And by saying this issue is rediculous sort of tells me that liberals don’t care about portions of the Constitution or are so afraid that Obama may not be a natural born citizen.
Which is it?
June 10th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Sheesh Alan…how can I possibly expect to take you seriously with comments like the one about the “Jesus fish” (never mind the Taurus)? I lost the little remainining respect I had for you there. In fact, I’m flat pissed off. Do you consider yourself a journalist? Well, perhaps you should check out the little bit of background at this link to an article written by von Brunn: http://www.antichrist.net/vonbrunn.html
He was anything but a Christian.
I’ve got my “Yeshua (Jesus) fish”…it’s combined in one symbol with a Menorah and a Magen David (called the Messianic Seal). And it’s totally against my faith to murder…anyone, for any reason. Anti-semitism (for anyone who cares enough about their Biblical Christian faith to get this point) is ANTITHETICAL to Christianity. Anyone who uses Christianity as a cover for their vile, illogical, barbaric, and idiotic hatred is a deceiver.
And you, Mr. Colmes, just stooped to the same kind of moronic stereotyping and bigotry that you appear to decry. Shame on you.
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Alan didn’t write it. A poster named anonymouse did. Now scamp on over back to foxnation…………..
June 11th, 2009 at 12:59 am
Obviously this is a guy who should have been confined to an institution for the criminally insane several decades ago.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:51 am
I agree…wait…I agree with Rocky…my skin…it’s melting…it’s melting…..
flap Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
What a world, what a world!
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Hmmm…
Well, since you say it with what appears to be humor, I’ll refrain from snarling or barking, and, just this once, take it on faith that you’re actually agreeing with me, in the sense of having an opinion that, incredibly, appears to be in accord with an opinion of mine.
But fear not. There’s always another thread coming and I’m sure we’ll find plenty of cause to rip into each other as normal.
average james Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Always entertaining.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:34 am
EricG says the idea that life is sacred is religious dog crap; the the right to life is not a matter of unalienable right, but of public policy; and that he doesn’t care how unborns in the lst trimester are killed (e.g., by skull crushing). What happened in Wichita and at the museum was murder, pure ans simple, but by EricG’s logic and by the logic of so many posters on this blog — it was the expression of non-majoritarian public policy making. We are indeed living in the culture of death that Pope John Paul II described.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:51 am
So Alan brings up guilt by association. Since thise murderer linked up with some right leaning websites then the whole on the right thinks like this man. That’s horse hockey Alan and you know it.
Everytime the name of Ayers, or Wright, or Flagger would come up you would condemn that as guilt by association. You would say you cannot judge a man by using guilt by association.
Alan, you use that all the time when talking about some wacko who is on the right. You keep losing credibility every time you do this.
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Willy,
WTF??? Alan does not implicitly state or even hint that everyone on the right is this way. Both sides have wackos. It’s just that your side has wackos who hate non white people. Our side has nuts too.
Deal with it. What makes me angry is Greedisdead’s point. Why did Hannity, O’Reilly, and Van Susteren not cover the story???? Not newsworthy?? Or something else???
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:10 am
So Alan brings up guilt by association. ~ Willy
He did not. He mentioned right wing website Free Republic. If you’ve never been, go take a look. It sure as heck ain’t a left wing site.
EricG Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
I am using guilt by association, not Alan.
I say the right wing breeds violence against Jews, Muslims, gays and liberals by means of vague rhetoric that demonizes your fellow Americans and creates an atmosphere of bigotry in people’s minds.
I could never prove such claims, I don’t have some billion dollar research team.
But the facts seem clear to me. There is guilt by association in terms of CRIMINAL ACCOMPLICE to violent crime in the right wing of American Media.
What law did Wright break? He broke your sensitive ears with a little radical ‘truth’ just like right wing bigots like Savage do everyday.
Ayers hasn’t broke a law in a long time.
You and all right wingers want to turn the real Americans of this nation into demons and then in the same breath rise up people like Van Brunn with your daily ’screw the filthy Muslims / gays / liberals’ trash that you all call ‘intelligent conservation’ when it’s just lies being repeating back and forth.
Daddio Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Wasn’t the murder of that soldier done by a muslim Eric? Where is your outrage over that? Your silence over the death of an innocent soldier by a muslim is deafening.
TDro319 Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Go back a few posts for Eric’s response, Daddio. We’re talking about James Van Brunn right now. Try to keep up.
June 11th, 2009 at 6:38 am
HANNITY BILL, GRETA. All ignored this story.
Can there be any doubt that if it was a Muslim and/or African American who shot and killed a guard at the Holocaust Museum, instead of a white supremacist suspect, that it would have been a major story?
The Palin story got more coverage
Nough said…
Fair and balanced?
Brian
BeyondtheBias.com
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Yes, they spend days on the shooting by the black men(muslims) in California and in Kansas.
Yet Hannity,O’riely and poor Greta ignore the killings they have incited in Pensylvenia and DC.
So why do Fox news et al keep complaining about liberal media bias?
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Pierre said: Yet Hannity,O’riely and poor Greta ignore the killings they have incited in Pensylvenia and DC.
K: Do you have evidence that these people incited the killings in PA and DC? Or, are you using Alan’s guilt-by-association method again?
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Yes, listen to the monologue of Hannity.
Radical, arrogant and liar are few code words
that he uses to describe Obama.
Remember to be a muslim = terrorist=unamerican=antisemetic=nazism ect
This incitement continues post-election.
His agenda is to “stop the Obama Express” by any
any means necessary.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 2:13 am
are you on crazy pills…all three of those people had segments on their shows about the museum shooting…(wait I missed O’Reilly…so I can’t say that with certainty…but the other two definitely did.
EricG Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Bingo!
You nailed it, right there.
If a Muslim shot up a crowd in the US the RACISTS of FOX and RIGHT WING MEDIA would jump all over it.
But when a right wing terrorist does the exact thing they urge people towards all day long they try to pretend it will just float away in a few news-cycles.
This and the Tiller killing make it clear to me personally that the right wingers of America are in fact a dangerous group of pro-domestic terrorism agendas and vague logic that leads people feel free to commit violence against liberals, Muslims and gays.
Daddio Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Eric, your posts are really getting pretty radical left wing extreme. You are branding the entire conservative and Republican citizens in this country as “a dangerous group of pro-domestic” “terrorists”. Extreme man, really extreme.
I bet you cannot even use your left arm anymore, you are so far to the left anymore all your weight is on that arm. STRAGHTEN UP ERIC! :)
flap Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Eric?! Left-wing?! Does a bear $h!t in the woods?
TDro319 Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
“pretty radical left wing extreme.”
Wow! The same can be said about you, Daddio.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Alan said: As such, he was also part of the birther movement claiming there is no valid birth certificate for President.
K: For Alan guilt-by-association is a VERY flexible wet noodle with which to pummel Cons about the head and shoulders. I predict that, one day, when this practice comes to light a new torture technique called “Alaning” will join waterboarding on the list of prohibited enhanced interrogation techniques.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:10 am
From the Huffy Post –
“Indeed a “birther” mindset is more a symptom of extremism than a cause.
That said, the extent to which the birther ethos has been driven into the political narrative by legitimate figures, and subsequently picked up by extremist elements, is noteworthy. In an obvious reference to questions about Obama’s birthplace, Rep. Bill Posey, R-FL, has introduced a bill in the House requiring presidential candidates to file a copy of their birth certificates. Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-V.A, has joined him as a co-sponsor of that measure.
Several weeks ago, conservative reporter Lester Kinsolving, asked Robert Gibbs why the president would not “respond to the petition to requests of 400,000 American citizens by releasing a certified copy of his long-form birth certificate listing hospital?”
Outside political circles, but still within the national spotlight, the view is much more widely articulated. As late as two weeks ago, for instance, Fox News was running a headline on its website, asking: “Should Obama Release Birth Certificate? Or Is This Old News?” On Wednesday morning, moreover, talk show host Rush Limbaugh sardonically compared President Obama to God, noting that, “God does not have a birth certificate either.”
Remarks like these aren’t inherently violent. They can be picked up, however, by individuals who are.
“I think it is perfectly obvious that the birther movement has gained a large following on the radical right,” said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center. “It may have emerged form the right wing of the Republican Party. But the reality is that it has been adopted by the most noxious elements out there and certainly John Von Brunn represents that element.”
K: What a moronic linking of a legitimate legal requirement for the presidency – and a legitimate interest therein – to ‘political extremism’.
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:08 am
K: Said,what a moronic linking of a legitmate legal requirement for the presidency-and legitmate interest therein-to political extremisn.
It is more like a truthfull linking to lone ass terrorist using smear garbage to warrent his actions.
The same asswipe in the 80,s storm into a conferenceroom with federal reserve members with guns in hand and did 7 years.
This freak racist has his own website spewing 24/7 lies laced with bigot remarks and using Obama,s presidency to push his vile and went into a museum for the Holocaust victims and kills a security guard.
People calling for such measures on where Obama was born are no different than George Wallace and Governer of Misssissippi ranting their anti-civil rights messages doing the sixties. That goes for Rush Limpo and all loco right wing neocons we hesr from daily.
Such rantings form the likes of neocon lawmakers and people like Rush limpo. This asswipe placed all his rage into actions of killing like kkk did in the sixties.
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Steve said: People calling for such measures on where Obama was born are no different than George Wallace and Governer of Misssissippi ranting their anti-civil rights messages doing the sixties. That goes for Rush Limpo and all loco right wing neocons we hesr from daily.
K: So, in your opinion, BO, because he is partially black cannot be held to the same legal standard as a white man? It is a LAW that the POTUS be a natural-born citizen of the US. There is a legitimate question as to whether or not BO IS a citizen. This doesn’t bother you?
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:26 am
I am saying such insanity lead to a killing in terrorist style from a asswipe spewing such garbage and he used that garbage because people like Rush Jelly Belly Limpo and neocon lawmakers spew this muck 24/7 and that bigot in his mind deem such bigot actions justifiable.
Same goes for anti-abortion extremeist and neo-Muslims that listen to garbage to kill in a terror manner.
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Steve said: I am saying such insanity lead to a killing in terrorist style from a asswipe spewing such garbage and he used that garbage because people like Rush Jelly Belly Limpo and neocon lawmakers spew this muck 24/7 and that bigot in his mind deem such bigot actions justifiable.
K: So, This ‘asswipe’ is not responsible for his own actions but is some sort of robot reacting to ‘marching orders’? This guy has been around spewing hate LONG before Limbaugh got on the air so how do you figure him to be responsible. MAYBE Limbaugh is a mind-numbed robot responding to THIS guy… hmmm?
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Not saying they told him to do so,but George Wallace is a prime example and the klan reacted in terrorism.
No telling how many more folks that are on the extreme edge of sanity that breathe in everyword from the likes of Rush Limpo.
1 of his beefs where,that Obama was not born here and listens to buffoons like Jelly Bean Rush Limpo.
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Steve said: 1 of his beefs where,that Obama was not born here and listens to buffoons like Jelly Bean Rush Limpo.
K: What a tenuous connection! So, if HE wears underwear and Limbaugh wears underwear (just as strong a connection as the one you offer) then everyone who wears underwear is a potentially hate-filled terrorist?
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Not tenuous,but some extremeist regardless if they are from the left or right sit back and gather in vile and react.
Yes they are wearing some1,s underwear,but you fail to understand, not every1 is a terrorist and i am not saying every1 is. That most people are reasonable. We are having a debate and both of us realize that life goes on.
I can not stand a word Rush spews and he has a right to spew and no1 has a right to kill him for his opinions. I will not wear his underwear (funky) !!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 10:24 am
From the ‘cached thread’ von Brunn posted:
“Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no records — no paper trail — none — this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help – but to serve whom & why???
MISSING-HIDDEN DOCUMENTS:
Original, vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth in the USA — Not Released (1 version hidden in Hawaii, Original found in Kenya)
Certificate of Live Birth — Released – Proven Counterfeit (www.ObamaFiles.com)
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Not Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released – Proven Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport (Pakistan) — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None (Locked up to prohibit public view
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost (All other Illinois state senators’ records are intact)
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
K: I’d like to ask where these records are, myself…
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Obama will never be “ONE OF US” even if he releases
110% of what you are demanding.
Do you want proof that he is black?
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Pierre said: Obama will never be “ONE OF US” even if he releases 110% of what you are demanding. Do you want proof that he is black?
K: Read for content, Frenchie. I want to see his legitimate proof that he is constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS.
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Have ever applied for a US passport?
If so, what is required from you, redneck?
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Pierre said: Have ever applied for a US passport? If so, what is required from you, redneck?
K: I”ve had a passport for decades and happily provided a copy of of my original birth certificate. Do you know whether BO has a US passport?
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Yes, stupid!
Remember when an insider at the state depatment got access illegally to his file
during the campaing.
He was looking for proof that he was a muslim(Obama).
Give the insider a call to lay down your muslim
fear.
flap Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
“If so, what is required from you, redneck?”
Whoa, a little bigotry there! I love using the word “bigotry.”
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Both Frenchie and redneck sound a little bigotry.
So don’t start to begin with.
flap Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Actually, I was joking, Pierre. Even though I guess I should be offended as a Southerner and, perhaps, a redneck myself. :-P
EricG Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Okay Kregg, let’s go.
I say now that George W. Bush was born in Germany.
Out of the clear blue sky I am claiming he is a foreign citizen wrongly and illegally elected.
The burden to prove this OUTRAGEOUS CLAIM is on me, since I made it.
—-
The people who STARTED the MYTH about the birth certificate are …. who? Answer me that and all the pieces fall together.
A pack of Obama Haters and right wing lunatics made it up and can’t back it up beyond what your doing. Loose reasoning and BS piled up on top of BS.
The sheer number of people involved to make this conspiracy work is absurd.
You offend the nation with your disgusting need to tear down on the president not based on policy or actions in office but on the grounds of your simple hatred for the man and hatred for the democratic system that made him leader.
TDro319 Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
K: “I’d like to ask where these records are, myself…”
TD: Somebody better expose those records! I suggest you jump right on that, Kregg, and let us know what you find out.
flap Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
This is similar to saying that George W. Bush did not win the 2000 election. Same type of thing. You libs like it when a little kernel is BLOWN out of proportion? I can’t say you deserve it, but after the nonsense after 2000…
Imagine EricG’s words being applied to left-wingers after GWB was inaugurated prez in 2001:
“The sheer number of people involved to make this conspiracy work is absurd.
You offend the nation with your disgusting need to tear down on the president not based on policy or actions in office but on the grounds of your simple hatred for the man and hatred for the democratic system that made him leader.”
flap Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Not to mention exaggerated claims of voter fraud, vote machine tampering, etc. But, I can see EricG going on a diatribe on how it’s been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that GWB stole the 2000 election.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 2:21 am
so eric…if all presidential nominees were required to file their birth certificate when they file to be a presidential nominee we wouldn’t have to question it and everyone would be satisfied (even the radical right wingers…who last I checked were still citizens and still have the constitutional right to petition the government)
Why are you so against something that makes perfect sense. Constitution says you have to be a natural born citizen to be POTUS…why is it so dangerous to ask that it be proved?
and remember, I’m satisfied that Obama is a natural born citizen.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:28 am
[...] Reserve Board members in 1981. …… He served 6 1/2 years of an 11 year sentence ……… Alan Colmes’ Liberaland
June 11th, 2009 at 10:31 am
So why do Fox news et al keep complaining about liberal media bias?
Because there is one: See the work I have done in Mr. 61%.
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Did do any work on Foxy news bias, just to be fair and balance?
June 11th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Yup, imagine that. And the ’stimulus’ money hasn’t even been injected into the economy yet. Makes you doubt the claims, huh?
Exactly, what we have been saying all along. Dubya initiated this whole TARP mess, Obama just took the lead and ran and ran and ran……
There has never been a need for this TARP or stimulus at all.
What we have, now, however, is all the downsides of spending this money with none of the upsides.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Did do any work on Foxy news bias, just to be fair and balance?
I did, and they are biased. They lean to the right. One of the two out of 20 media outlets studied that do. When ranked on a scale that shows how close to neutral they are, they rank 5th.
Crazy that; truth and facts!
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:19 am
How many commentators do Fox news have as compared
to real journalits/ news anchor.
How much time do they spend given opinions as compared to ABC,CBS,NBC ect?
June 11th, 2009 at 10:52 am
There is a legitimate question as to whether or not BO IS a citizen.
Look, I think The Blessed Leader was born in the US. I just don’t understand why he doesn’t show us the records. The longer he delays, the more people wonder.
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Pino said: Look, I think The Blessed Leader was born in the US. I just don’t understand why he doesn’t show us the records. The longer he delays, the more people wonder.
K: You are exactly correct – the longer he delays showing his legitimacy the more legitimate questions arise about whether or not he CAN. I am neutral but VERY curious.
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
You guys keep listining to the Blessed Leader called Rush Jelly Bean Limpo that drives up the ire and irks of sane conservatives and extremist that take action.
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:40 am
The longer he delays, the more people wonder.
Fixed. Glad to help.
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:41 am
The longer he delays, the more (stoopid) (ignorant) (racist) (sore loser) people wonder.
Fixed. Glad to help.
Fixed for real this time. (I think)
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:45 am
SGL: The longer he delays, the more (stoopid) (ignorant) (racist) (sore loser) people wonder.
K: Typical woman – entering a peeing contest inadequately equipped. ;-) This issue is NOT about ’sore losing’ at all but about the left’s willingness to ignore laws inconvenient to their cause. It is a LAW that he be a natural born citizen. He has not proved such.
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Yes, even if he releases the birth certificate those racists would proclaim it as being fake.
At least he was selected by the american people
not by “5 supreme judges”.
Kregg Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Pierre said: Yes, even if he releases the birth certificate those racists would proclaim it as being fake.
K: What racists? If he produced a valid birth certificate the issue would go away.
P: At least he was selected by the american people – not by “5 supreme judges”.
K: Bush was elected by the American people. It took ‘5 supreme judges’ to prove and verify it…
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
The federal government did prove and verify
the citizenship of Obama by given him a US passport.
If you don’t trust your federal gov. you should not be a citizen of that country.
What proof is required to get a passport, my friend?
In your mind Bush never had to prove he was
a US citizen.
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
True and insanity keeps rolling on.
EricG Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Look, I think everyone who uses terms like ‘Blessed Leader’ and ‘Messiah’ and ‘Socialist’ in regards to President Barack Obama are downright piece of crud Americans.
His birth cert has been verified time and time again. There is no grounding for this media-lie spread by right wing nut jobs like Jerome Corsi and Alex Jones.
The bottom line is people (mainly white) on the right are threatened by Obama so they made up a lie to try to tear him down. And it’s a stupid one too.
I think people just don’t know that you become a Senator nor even get approved by any state BAR without extensive background checks.
This dumb conspiracy is debunked and discredited but that doesn’t stop people who hate America and hate the president from lying away.
Daddio Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
During the campaign when Obama went to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother, it was reported by the msm that he also had his certificate of live birth legally sealed.
Now why would a candidate for President of the United States do that? That should raise questions from every American concerned about the future of our nation.
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Hahahehaheohhaha ,you listen to Rush Jelly Bean Limpo to much and a extremist reacted yesterday to that garbage and a security guard doing his job.
The president is American AS APPLE PIE. While you guys keep listening to The Blessed Jelly Bean, Mr. Bouncy Bounce,Rush Limpo and his insanity.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:19 am
How many commentators do Fox news have
Dude, serious. If you think that you are going to get unbiased reporting from commentators, you are nuts. We’re talking news here, and from that perspective, you have Foxnews pretty fair and pretty balanced.
By the way, does Oprah and the View count as commentators?
pierre Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Fox news is bias.
NBC news is bias.
So which one do you agree with?
For 8 years Fox had access to Cheney and they distorted everything from Iraq war to tax cut.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:22 am
“Interesting company they keep.”
Don’t forget it. The Republicans, not the Democrats, allow for bigots and racist to run free in their ranks without challenge and then they presume to tell American they are not racist and bigoted.
flap Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Yeah, the Democrats would never let a former Grand Whatever in the KKK become a Senator from West Virginia.
average james Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Oooooh, ouch !!!
June 11th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
[...] reactionary tour de force – incendiary, stupid, and racist.” The usually staid Alan Colmes smeared the mainstream conservative website FreeRepublic.com, an attack quickly recycled by a [...]
June 11th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
If a Muslim shot up a crowd in the US the RACISTS of FOX and RIGHT WING MEDIA would jump all over it.
Umm, a Muslim HAS shot of people. And the racist Left Wing media ignored it.
average james Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Ah, but Alan has not ignored it.
I appreciate that.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
I could never prove such claims, I don’t have some billion dollar research team.
But the facts seem clear to me.
Awesome.
I don’t have facts, but I am just gonna:
Stomp my feet
Squeeze my eyes
Clench my fists
Scream to the gods
“I am a VICTIM!!!! Government, intervene on my behalf.”
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
You are victim of conservative idealism and you don,t realize it PINO.
average james Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Tea party anyone ???
Daddio Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
They’re coming back James.
Have respect for their right to protest. They are just as much American as all the leftist that consistently protest.
Sorry, didn’t mean to sound testy James. I’m really not.
You getting younger?
steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
3/4,s of the protesters where on the extreme edge of insanity that spews from the mouth of the Blessed Leader Rush The Jelly Bean Limpo and that insanity gets reaction from some right wing nuts,like that un-nessary killing yesterday.
Daddio Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Did you count them Steve?
All the reports I heard, and not just Fox, said nothing about the protesters being extreme or insane.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
The bottom line is people (mainly
white) on the right are threatened byYes. Yes we are. That’s what happens when someone tries to foist your hard work and give it to someone else.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Wasn’t the murder of that soldier done by a muslim Eric?
Whoooaaa, easy now. That would require an analysis of facts and crazy CRAZY stuff like that.
Much easier to play victim and have The Blessed Leader make your mortgage payments.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
And issue like hatred in the media being almost exclusive to the Republican biased media.
Yeah, advocate of child rape, Mr. David Letterman, is a card carrying member of the GOP.
Guilty!
June 11th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Ah, but Alan has not ignored it.
Tru ‘dat. One post. And that didn’t appear until I asked about it.
Meanwhile, on the leftern front…..but I do acknowledge this is Liberal – Land.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
You hate Obama. You hate him so much at no matter what he does you can’t stand him holding high office and just want him dead or gone at any cost. Your as good as a terrorist but you don’t have the balls to say it outright so you hide behind the coat tails of Jerome Corsi and his BS lie about Obama’s birth cert.
You and all you fricken right wingers are closer to terrorists than anything else. This becomes less my opinion and more just a simple fact everyday.
Heh heh. A lesson in the tender mercies of “un-hate speech”.
Awesome.
flap Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
“You and all you fricken right wingers are closer to terrorists than anything else.”
Whew, if Eric didn’t CONSTANTLY ENGAGE IN UNBELIEVABLY HYPERPARTISAN, BASELESS HYPERBOLE then I might be a tad bit offended.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Interesting:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Ok, so let me get this straight, a white supremacist sits in his trailer, most of the time, or it can be in a crappy appartment in the area where a normal human being won’t usually step foot, on welfare or having some sort of a low level job, and screams out that he or she doesnt like: Immigrants,Jews, muslims, black, basically anyone who is not of WASPIC nature…….
I will perform a little stereotyping, please forgive me, but I just have to:
lets take Immigrants for instance,
Asians: Run grocery stores, fresh produce stores, wake up at the crack of dawn, work their tales off….
Geeee white supremacists, lets send them back, I am sure you wont mind working 15-20 hour days…..
I can find anything hard working and valuable about any race or ethnicity that can not be replaced by lazy bums who generally do not have any education.
So what is White Supremacy?!?!?! – It’s an idiotic expression of boredom. People, get jobs, occupy yourselves with something!!!!!!!!!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
The Republicans, not the Democrats, allow for bigots and racist to run free in their ranks without challenge and then they presume to tell American they are not racist and bigoted.
Nice.
Talking to you; it’s like the Special Olympics or something.
June 11th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
EricG:
Spare me. Two nights ago you said that the idea that life is sacred is a bunch of religious dog crap. (YOUR expression.) Tonight, after the murder at the holocaust museum, you tell us that what we never hear enough is that life is sacred. Who are you?
You say that you don’t care when life begins, don’t care what pain a soon-to-be-born fetus feels when his or her skull is crushed, and call someone who opposes partial birth abortion a mysoginist. Who are you?
June 12th, 2009 at 12:49 am