Neal Horsley Sings About The Shooting Of George Tiller
June 12th, 2009, 11:52 AM EDT
Neal Horsley, the secessionst, Creator’s Rights Party candidate for governor of Georgia, and member of anti-abortion extremist group “Army of God,” who would cross off the names of abortion doctors on his website after they were killed, has written what he’s calling a “Christian folk song” about the man who murdered George Tiller. With lyrics like, “Couldn’t live with the things he saw, so he killed a killer down in Wichita,” how can one object to such artistry?
Horsley is also known for the interview where he told me about his relationship with barnyard animals.
Watch only as much as you can stand.
this guy is creepy.
average james Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Yep he is.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Another simpleton operating under the evangelical delusion that all you have to do is “accept Jesus as your personal savior” and then forever after you’ve got a license direct from God to do any damn thing you want.
flap Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Much like all the Christians who were against slavery and segregation…you know, because God says we’re all created equal. Stupid idiots who demand equality for all human beings!
You shouldn’t be singing about someone’s death/murder, even bottom feeders like Tiller. (I do a disservice to bottom feeders by comparing them to Tiller.)
Horsley needs to be singing about his barnyard sexual exploits with mules or whatever the heck animals he molested.
TDro319 Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Did Tiller force expectant mothers to have abortions?
And you really shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, especially since you know nothing about him except what you perceive to be his faults. That, in my book, makes you a coward.
TDro319 Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Also, I’d like to correct your statement:
“You shouldn’t be singing about death/murder, even about bottom feeders like Dubya and the Dick. (I do a disservice to bottom feeders by comparing them to Dubya and the Dick.)
EricG Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Flap – Tiller was an American Hero and you and all your little deluded religious zealots freakjobs should pray for forgiveness for walking with Satan everytime you say such things about Tiller.
Tiller stood up against murderers like those you kiss the jack-boots of and did for women what other more cowardly doctors would not: fulfill their wishes.
You are a coward. You have no stance whatsoever. The fact that you want to demonize the doctor, the person fulfilling a request, and never once demonize the woman proves it.
Why don’t you hate-mongers ever spit on the women and try to kill them? Why not smash their windows and beat them into hospital? It makes more sense.
But your whole movement are all cowards who believe in nothing. Nothing excpet murder and hatred for your fellows.
You are a disgrace. Your hate for this country is viasable. Quickly! Wrap yourself in the flag like all neocons do! Or someone might notice you seem to perfer violence against your ‘foes’ instead of words.
flap Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
“And you really shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, especially since you know nothing about him except what you perceive to be his faults. That, in my book, makes you a coward.”
@ TDro: Thanks for calling me a coward because you disagree with me. Appreciate it. I’m a coward because I think late-term abortion is wrong, a stance that the majority of people in this country hold. This “speaking ill of the dead” is nonsense. He was trash. He did everything (ostensibly) legally, and he obviously should not have been murdered, and Horsley should not be singing idiotic songs about his death, but that doesn’t change the fact that he was human trash. No different than Roeder. Just on the opposite end.
@ EricG: You’re so damned partisan and wacko (at least in your language) that I won’t dignify your response with an answer other than this. You expect to get dialogue with your constant diatribes? Maybe you don’t want them. Try ratcheting down your language a notch or two.
I encourage you people who are for late-term abortion to do a little research. You know, get your GED, grab a “Biology for Dummies” book and look at human development.
If you say it’s an opinion on when human life begins, I say three years old. So, the government has no right to interfere with me killing my two year old! Choice!
As to Tiller’s wonderful, saintly work for women: if a slavemaster does some nice things for a slave, should that legally justify the practice of slavery?
TDro319 Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
1. I called you a coward because you are STILL dumping on a doctor who didn’t deserve to die (regardless of what you think). And the good doctor did everything legally. You’re a coward because you wait until the man is dead before smearing him.
2. I assume your disgusting display of hatred is because he performed abortions (which you think is killing). I hope you hold the same disdain for gun salesmen or for people who start illegal wars. But I’m sure you don’t.
3. And you, of all people, are calling someone else “traxh”???? Wow. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
4. And if you want to kill your 2-year-old, go ahead, who’s stopping you? After all, he’s already born so, by your standards, it’s okay if he’s killed.
And get off the slave kick. Why don’t you move into the 21st century. (Yeah. Like you REALLY care about black slaves. Sure. Just like you “care” about our troops).
flap Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
“Disgusting display of hatred” = what? Disagreement with abortion = hatred? I’m trash because you disagree with my pretty logical view on late-term abortion? What are you smoking, TDro? I don’t hate Tiller. I specifically said unequivocally he should NOT have been murdered. Are you one of those people who believes that being against abortion equals complicity in the killing of an abortion doctor?
Gun salesman? How about sugar salesmen? They’re contributing to diabetes, a far more directly dangerous health issue to the population than terrorism, abortion, or guns. How about cigarette salesmen?
The “slave kick” is a direct analogy to the “abortion kick,” TDro. It’s the same type of moral issue: taking a group of people and RELEGATING them to non-human status. Same thing.
Yeah, I only care about unborn children, TDro. Give me a break. And you only care about the Iraq War. “Like you REALLY care about the troops. Sure. All you care about is pacifism.”
TDro319 Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Flap:
You said, “I don’t hate Tiller.” Is that why you called him a bottom feeder? Let me quote your exact words since you seem to have a very short memory, “You shouldn’t be singing about someone’s death/murder, even bottom feeders like Tiller. (I do a disservice to bottom feeders by comparing them to Tiller.)”
You said, “Disgusting display of hatred” = what? Disagreement with abortion = hatred? I’m trash because you disagree with my pretty logical view on late-term abortion?”,
Don’t you know how to read or do you have a comprehension problem? Here’s exactly what I said, “I called you a coward because you are STILL dumping on a doctor who didn’t deserve to die”.
And thanks for bringing up the sugar and cigarette salesmen. Just more people you can consider what you call “trash”.
And yes. I only care about the Iraq war and the hundreds of thousands of civilians/American soldiers dying unnecessarily. I say support the troops-bring them home.
And we have a winner! You are correct! I DO care about pacifism (being as I am one, along with a bleeding-heart liberal). After all, I believe war is not healthy for children and other living things.
flap Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Would you call certain conservative bottom feeders, TDro? Does that equal hate? I see SGL making all sorts of crazy Rush Limpballs and O’Loofah references. Does that mean she hates conservatives? No, it does not. There might be some exaggeration there but that isn’t hate. “Doctor” Tiller was a bottom feeder because he profited immensely off late-term abortion. I’m sure he was a rich man.
Late-term abortion isn’t even very mainstream, TDro. I don’t know why you’re defending it. I never defended Roeder, nor do I respect people who commit murder (which includes Tiller). Tiller did some despicable things throughout his whole career. But, if you don’t like bottom feeder, I’ll rephrase that: “Dr. Tiller performed some despicable, violent, evil acts during his career in the guise of medical practice.” Legality does not equal ethicality or morality. So, there, if you prefer that, that’s fine.
Despite our disagreements I know you are sincere about your beliefs and I am actually disappointed that you’d call me a coward because you disagree with my stance on abortion. That’s essentially what you did. I NEVER supported or condoned any sort of murder. Only people like Roeder and Tiller and Von Brunn and the Abdulhakim guy do those things.
My point was that you care about pacifism for the sake of pacifism, along the same line as you claim that I care nothing about human beings, only for control of women or whatever cockamamie reason you gave.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
‘Creator’s Right Part’? aka gop?
June 12th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
soo many straw-men, so little time.
average james Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
HHHHHAH,
Straw-men today, killers tommorrow ?
Did DHS mention anything about marginally talented folk singers ?
Perhaps they should have.
OldLefty Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I agree hhhhhah,
The strawman argument is one of the Right’s most used tactics.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Blech. Good 4 you Guido and Flap, I would really worry otherwise.
That is a new low even for Georgia, if you follow Alans links one leads to a long interview in examiner.com
“Georgia candidate for governor says sex with mules, watermelon behind him”…
(the men were “gross” he says).
Pretty good comment thread considering the horrific story, one countyboy says that if he had had sex with a mule even waterboarding wouldn’t get it out of him “this guy is nuts”.
Suddenly Alan Keyes is looking more mainstream…
libpatriot Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Good call, 4MoreYears.
Compared to Horsley, Keyes DOES look more mainstream. Compared to Horsley, I think you’d have to be something on the level of a terrorist to look LESS mainstream.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 1:52 am
I didn’t realize that my disdain for Roeder wasn’t evident in all of my other posts regarding the matter.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
MLK said “Violence is the voice of the unheard.” He might wanted to have added “unreasonable” to that statement as well.
June 12th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
This is exactly what some portion of the right wing likes to hear and see.
And it all proves to me that some people in this nation are worse than communists or fascists even. They are murderers who have yet to come and kill my family, kill your family, in cold blood. Nothing less than mass murderers trying to find victims.
flap Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Here’s what I would sound like if I were as partisan as you, EricG:
“Every liberal is evil, or most of them at least. The Obama administration has proven that. Obama, who is probably a Muslim non-American, has decided to destroy this country by socializing the government and appointing racist, left-wing, underqualified Supreme Court justices. I feel there’s no hope for the Democratic Party, or any Democrats for that matter, or even America itself. This is the party of baby mass murder, surrender, and American destruction from the inside. It’s been proven many times over, even by people on this board. I would padlock my doors and barricade myself in my house, because the Democratic Party is the incarnation of fiery evil hell itself.”
The above is SATIRE, so relax. But this is the type of stuff that I’m constantly reading from EricG.
Relax, EricG. I’m a conservative and most of us are actually very nice people, despite what you say. I think most libs are very nice people as well. Let’s since Kum Ba Yah and be friends.
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Flap,
I know you don’t give achit about me or any other woman who has been raped, but my patience with you is OVER. You can kiss my big broad beautiful progressive southern rear.
Let Tiller rest in peace. Take your snide comments about a dead person and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.
flap Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Aren’t you married? I don’t know if wanting me to kiss your rear would be a good marital move. :-P
Why do you make it personal, SGL? Did I ever even ASK if you had an abortion or criticize you for anything (other than your political stances)? I seem to recall expressing sympathy for the evil that was done to you.
Snide and accurate. How much criticism was there of Falwell when he passed? I thought it was all unwarranted, but if you believe it is accurate, who cares?
I feel sorry for Tiller’s family and murder is wrong. Maybe Tiller *thought* he was doing a lot of good. I hope he did. It just aggravates me to NO END when ONLY Roeder is portrayed as an extremist when Tiller was one himself.
TDro319 Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Spare us the feigned sympathy for Dr. Tiller’s family. You make me sick! You are heartless, cruel and inhumane. You, Flat, are “trash”.
flap Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Because you condone late-term abortion, you are heartless, cruel, and inhumane. (My name is Flap, not Flat.) So, you, TDro319, are “trash” as well.
Feigned sympathy? Are you a damn mind-reader? I really don’t care what you think.
TDro319 Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Flap:
Because you condone the killing of innocent post-born civilians in an unnecessary war (what you call “collateral damage”)and doctors performing a LEGAL service, you are heartless, cruet and inhumane. And because of your disrespect for the dead, I’d also like to add cowardly and despicable.
And since you called Dr. Tiller “trash”, I believe the only saying really IS true, “it takes one to know one”.
You don’t care what I think? Then why respond to my posts? And once again, spare me the feigned sympathy. I don’t need to be a mind-reader to see exacly what you’re thinking. I need simply to read your posts.
flap Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
“It takes one to know one.”
Are we in grammar school?
“Then why respond to my posts?”
You responded to mine and called me trash, so I was responding to you. And you understand whether I feel sympathy by reading forum posts? Gotcha. Perfectly sensible.
I’ll just leave you with this, TDro: I’m rubber and you’re glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
Daddio Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
You have noticed Eric’s mean spirited comments too huh Flap. I am not so sure I would like to have a face to face debate with him. He might haul off and punch me. And I thought all liberals were pacifists and abhored violence and hate.
But you are right, most conservatives and liberals are good people. It is just the few wackos from each side that give the bad name.
TDro319 Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Gee, Daddio. You automatically assume that Eric would punch you in a face to face debate? I’m sure he’s thinking the same thing about you.
flap Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
TDro, even YOU must notice the belligerent hyperpartisan hyperbole that EricG constantly spouts.
Aren’t you a pacifist? Seems like you’d be against constantly inflamed rhetoric.
TDro319 Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 7:28 am
“TDro, even YOU must notice the belligerent hyperpartisan hyperbole that EricG constantly spouts.”
It doesn’t matter what I think. I’m simply stating that perhaps, if Eric is a pacifist like me, he wouldn’t throw the first punch.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 7:31 am
but you’d throw a punch?
flap Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
If someone was threatening TDro’s family I bet he’d call the cops and I would *hope* that he wouldn’t stop the cops from using violence against whatever people were harming his family.
June 12th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
The late-term abortion doc that Alan had on the other night equated Tiller’s murder to MLK’s murder, and the niece of MLK (Alveda King) said this:
“For *Dr. Anonymous* to mention the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who worked through peaceful and non-violent means, in the same breath with that of George Tiller, whose work ended peace and brought violence to babies in the womb, is offensive beyond belief,” she said. “The analogy is just wrong.”
She also called abortion (in general) a “racist, genocidal act.”
What an extremist she is! Just like MLK! Wanting equality for all human beings, even in the womb?! How dare she! Hatemonger!
TDro319 Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Since when did you start “wanting equality for all human beings?” Right. Give me a break.
TDro319 Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
By the way, Flap. I saw a bumper sticker that I’m sure you’d really want for your car. It had a smiling photo of your hero Scott Roeder and it went like this:
“We’re killers killing killers to prove that killing is wrong”
flap Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
And your hero was Dr. Mengele, right, TDro? Spare me.
Murder is wrong and grossly immoral, whether it be abortion doctors or late-term unborn children.
I’ll type in caps so you can see it again: MURDER IS GROSSLY IMMORAL. Both Scott Roeder and George Tiller fulfilled that role.
Get that through your thick skull. You might check some stats that half the country (or more) agrees with me that late-term abortion is, you know, kinda bad.
TDro319 Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Flap:
Seriously? I’ve said a thousand times I’m a pacifist. Pacifism is the opposition to war or violence. Dr.Mengele murdered post born children, so he’d be more your hero than mine.
Get this though your thick skull. People don’t stand in line to get an abortion. It’s not an easy decision to make for doctor or patient. And many of abortions Dr. Tiller performed was to save the life of the mother. As a matter of fact, he has been known to TALK WOMEN OUT OF LATE TERM ABORTIONS. What? You don’t believe me? Why don’t you check his stats.
And I don’t care if half the country agrees with you. Half the country also voted for Bush/Cheney for two terms. And the people in California (which O’Reilly deems “overly liberal”) voted against gay marriage.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 7:30 am
people do wait in line to talk to military recruiters though..
I laud you for your neverending crusade of pacifism, however unrealistic I believe it to be. However your argument must have been much easier during Vietnam and the draft, as all volunteer armies puncture so much gas out of your bag.
flap Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
“Half the country also voted for Bush/Cheney for two terms.”
But I’m not saying that you’re an extremist for supporting Obama or Kerry, TDro.
So because I am against the murder of unborn children, I am somehow in FAVOR of the murder of born children? That makes absolutely no sense, TDro.
Why should he talk women out of late-term abortions, TDro? You see nothing wrong with them, right? Just a medical procedure, right? Just a little contraception?
I’m sure he did talk women out of them…let’s say the woman is hypocoagulable for some reason, meaning she’s not clotting properly. She bleeds out, she dies, he gets sued. It’s called CYA (cover your ass) medicine. Look into it. I’m not saying CYA medicine is wrong, but I don’t read much into this “saintly saint” Dr. Tiller doing anything that would be considered selfless or in line with the Hippocratic Oath. He had a legal human butchery practice for three decades and he’s not much of a physician or a human being.
June 12th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
I remember the first time I got drunk too.
But I didn’t turn into a raging a-hole a start braying off-key “A killer killed a killer” ditties. What a great Christian this guy is, huh?
average james Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Yes a beautiful human being, and an exlemplary ambassador for Christ.
Puke.
flap Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Horsley is an idiot for f’ing mules, for starters. Despite Dr. Tiller being trash in my and TDro’s mind (lol, just kidding TDro), his murder shouldn’t be condoned or celebrated.
It doesn’t help the cause of banning the practice of late-term abortion with violence one bit. It’s very morally wrong, despite the political ramifications, too.
June 12th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
[...] He also shows a video of a right wing nut job (and a candidate for Governor of Georgia) singing about the recent murder. [...]
June 12th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Turdo; You say that you are a you are a pacifist correct! “I DO care about pacifism (being as I am one, along with a bleeding-heart liberal)”. Something to think about here pal. If it were not for the men and woman before you, you could’t be anything at all. Now just for a second. If you can read this in English, thank a teacher. If you can read this at all, thank the American Armed Forces!! Just think about it.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Turdo,,Corrcetion: If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank the American Armed Forces.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:57 pm