When Republicans Attack
June 21st, 2009, 6:06 PM EDT
Republicans were in full force on the Sunday talk shows and, as predicted, they wasted no time bashing the president. In spite of Obama’s condemnation of Iranian hardliners, Republicans did what they have more and more become known for doing: They went on the attack.
- “The president of the United States is supposed to lead the free world, not follow it,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. “He’s been timid and passive more than I would like.”
- John McCain: “I’d like to see the president be stronger than he has been although I appreciate the comments that he made yesterday,” McCain said. “I think we ought to have America lead.”
- Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said a slow or muted U.S. response risks undermining the aspirations of Iranian voters to change or question their government, adding “do we really believe in our principles?”
- Former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., said Obama isn’t doing nearly enough.
- Conservative commentator William Bennett said Obama is bungling his response.
We know how well these conservatives did with foreign policy and international relations when they were in power, don’t we?
Yeah, obviously Obama should get up in front of a press conference televised worldwide and joke about nu-que-lar war with a dopey smirk on his face, because that’s what works for disciples of Bush and the rest of the twits on the radical right.
June 21st, 2009 at 6:28 pm
It just may be that foreign policy hawks should shut up Joe Biden.
On NBC’s Meet the Press today, Bidens comments were much stronger than “we are just monitoring the situation” as expressed by Obama on Saturday. Biden admitted that there was some real doubt that Ahmadinejad was legitimately reelected.
This is differant than some Congressmen saying Obama isn’t doing enough. To me, if you’re approach is to stay out of Iran’s affairs, this is a mistake!
OldLefty Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 6:35 pm
So we can do ANOTHER 60 years of damage?
RDM Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 6:40 pm
I don’t see why not.
OldLefty Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 6:47 pm
If the clerical regime and Ahmadinejad was a good result for you, then OK.
I know a lot of the right wingers like Daniel Pipes and Michael Rubin prefer him.
RDM Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Mousavi reportedly has sent a letter to Obama about a statement he made saying Mousavi and Ahmadenijad are “two of a kind”.
Mousavi is saying Obama ” misled the people of the world”.
Oooops!
OldLefty Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 8:10 pm
RDM,
Mousavi reportedly has sent a letter to Obama about a statement he made saying Mousavi and Ahmadenijad are “two of a kind”.
………………………………..
Nobody with credibility is saying that.
With all the chaos, and the government shutting down everything but Twitter, he got a letter out??
What Obama ACTUALLY said was:
“It’s important to understand that although there is amazing ferment taking place in Iran, the difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi in terms of their actual policies may not be as great as has been advertised,” Obama told CNBC news.
“Either way we were going to be dealing with an Iranian regime that has historically been hostile to the United States, that has caused some problems in the neighborhood and has been pursuing nuclear weapons,” he said.”
It was Mousavi, after all, who was at the center of the Iran hostage crisis and remains complicit in an operation he commended as “the beginning of the second stage of our revolution.” And it was Mousavi who was the protégé of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (chief architect of the Iranian Revolution and founder of theocratic Iran), a former member of Hezbollah’s leadership council, sworn enemy of Israel, and a prime minister under whose watch thousands of political prisoners were massacred in 1988. And finally, it was Mousavi who initiated Iran’s nuclear program in the 1980s and likely would be intent on carrying through Iran’s nuclear ambitions, the foremost issue central to any improvement in relations with the West.
No Oooopsies
RDM Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Lefty…Yes OOOOpsies.
You’re wrong
pajamasmedia.com
OldLefty Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 8:37 pm
RDM,
Michaael Ledeen is not a credible source in my opinion.
#1) Why no links?
#2) Again, How did he get a letter out, and how does ONLY Michael Ledeen know about it?
#3)Obama did NOT say what you said he said, and he did not say anything that was not true about the policies.
RDM Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 8:47 pm
If you read the article it would answer all your questions.
OldLefty Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 9:04 pm
I did read the article.
It sounds like the B carved in the face story.
Your site even says: “I get a lot of material that can’t be authenticated, and one must always take such material with a healthy dose of skepticism.”
Michael Ledeen is a real wackadoodle.
What questions are answered?
Daddio Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Maybe a few laser guided bombs right down the toilet vents of Iran’s nuclear facilities might make their radical thug leader sit up and have a change of mind.
OldLefty Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Daddio,
What radical thug leader are you talking about because Ahmadinejad has nothing to say about nuclear facilities, and that would probably have the same affect it would have here…cause the people to unite against a foreign enemy.
RDM Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Lefty, Not a credible source or just not what you like to read?
Michael Ledeen, consultant to the National Security Council, the State Department and Defense Department. Special Advisor to the Secretary of State. PHD in modern European history and philosophy from the University of Wisconsin. Author of more than 20 books.
A wackadoodle? I think not! Michael Moore..yep.
OldLefty Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 11:12 pm
I’m sorry, I think he is a wacko, he has wanted to invade Iran forever. He was involved in the transfer of arms to Iran during the Iran-Contra affair , a Team B guy, he’s been suspected of forging the Niger, yellow cake documents: ” In 2005, Vincent Cannistraro former head of counterterrorism operations at the CIA and the intelligence director at the National Security Council under Ronald Reagan, when asked by Ian Masters if Ledeen was the source of the forged memo, replied, “You’d be very close.”
He has no more credibility with me than Juan Cole or Noam Chomsky would have with you.
OldLefty Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 11:12 pm
I’m sorry, I think he is a wacko, he has wanted to invade Iran forever. He was involved in the transfer of arms to Iran during the Iran-Contra affair , a Team B guy, he’s been suspected of forging the Niger, yellow cake documents: ” In 2005, V1ncent Cannistraro former head of counterterrorism operations at the CIA and the intelligence director at the National Security Council under Ronald Reagan, when asked by Ian Masters if Ledeen was the source of the forged memo, replied, “You’d be very close.”
He has no more credibility with me than Juan Cole or Noam Chomsky would have with you.
EricG Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
“I get a lot of material that can’t be authenticated, and one must always take such material with a healthy dose of skepticism.”
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Skepticism is vital. I don’t believe you. Who ever are you. I don’t think you’re giving me the straight deal.
Prove it. Show me the evidence.
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Also keep in mind that much of politics and political commentary is purely anecdotal and based purely in opinion.
People asking for the evidence on someone’s opinion are barking up the wrong tree.
There is no set of numbers or special article that suddenly proves all conservatives right and all liberals wrong. It doesn’t exist unless you want it to exist.
The proof is in the putting.
Republicans continue to vote against social programs that help the poor and lie about the president.
Find me some lies told about Bush.
I’ll find you sixty told about Obama for every one of the lies about Bush.
And even at the end of all that we still land on the fact that you can’t prove an opinion nor can you be wrong about it.
EricG Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:04 am
Biden is not president. He can say a lot of stuff and it doesn’t hold the weight of the Office of the President. Let the Biden roll, Obama is in charge not him.
Daddio Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:49 am
Apparently the former VP’s opinion carries more weight than the current VP. When Dick Cheney speaks he gets your knickers all tied up Eric.
But you are right in that the President’s opinion is what carries the day. But if something happens to Obama, God forbid, Biden would have the whole bag of marbles then.
average james Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Willio,
If the thought of Biden in charge frightens you then, I urge you to do all that is in your power to assuage fear amongst any extremist types who may be in your vicinity.
The life you save, could be your own ;-)
Daddio Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm
James,
Been away all day. How ya doin’?
Biden in charge doesn’t frighten me. I meant was, God forbid anything happens to Pres. Obama. Maybe I should have structured my sentence better.
June 21st, 2009 at 6:32 pm
lets invade to liberate these poor Iranians so we can win their hearts and minds, then when there’s some resistance we’ll put the “bad people” in jail and torture and sexually humiliate them to extract some important information. Then our oil companies can go in and take control of the oil fields (none finer) and everybody will live happily ever after. THIS AIN’T ROCKET SCIENCE COMMIES!
average james Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 7:00 pm
He he he he
Ya—what si si said !!!!!!
OldLefty Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 8:11 pm
SISI,
Is this satire? You could write for the onion.
average james Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 11:36 pm
I hope it’s satire. That’s what I was thinking.
June 21st, 2009 at 6:56 pm
I really hope that Obama ignores the blow hards.
The obvious failure and subsequent foreign policy nightmare wrought by the recent right ought to show us the way to go.
Do exactly the opposite of what these warhawks are suggesting.
I bet that gets us real close to where we need to be.
I believe Obama can handle Iran and N.Korea in a diplomatic and pragmatic way.
Daddio Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Kim Jong Il is nothing but a liar, and plain old dictator. The last two administrations made the mistake of thinking he would keep up his end of the bargain and each time he laughed at America. Are we going to make that mistake again? “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”
I believe Iran is guided by the same ilk. But, if Obama wants to be another Neville Chamberlain…
OldLefty Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 9:39 pm
This comparison to Neville Chamberlin is ridiculous.
It assumes that N Korea and Iran are the same, that you could enter ‘combat’ with N Korea without nuclear danger to South Korea or Japan, or that it does not take more strength to allow Iran to solve it’s own affairs, than to give in to the reckless advise of those who don’t seem to remember their history and endanger the revolutionaries if you cause them to be seen as American puppets.
June 21st, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Lefty, real time, Fannie and Freddie muckin’ in the markets.
online.wsj.com/article/SB124562533240635581.html
June 21st, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Oh, by the way, it took exactly 5 months. Obama now has a negative rating when it comes to strongly approve vs disapprove. As of today, he is at -2.
Not for nothing, but the Repubs might be on to something here.
OldLefty Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Pino,
It’s late for me, but I will just respond with this:
What is the big deal about the approval rating, ( I notice that it comes from the conservative’s favorite, Rassmussan), they have been up and down daily,
From Gallup:
“Gallup Poll – Politics News
Obama Job Approval Slips to 58% for First Time June 19, 2009
President Barack Obama’s job approval rating fell to 58% in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking — a new low for Obama, although not dissimilar to the 59% rating he has received previously. Democrats’ approval remains very high, while Republican and independent support is down.”
If they get a good healthcare plan passed, they will be back up.
Check back in a couple of years.
As for the Fannie and Freddie, I’ll have to read it better in the morning, but they have always been “muckin’ in the markets” for the last ten years at least.
June 21st, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Good night Lefty.
June 21st, 2009 at 11:46 pm
http://www.beyondthebeltway.com/podcast.php
This show is a place to hear Republicans try to be sane and respectful, probably because it has nothing to do with FOX News.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:06 am
Republicans were in full force on the Sunday talk shows and, as predicted, they wasted no time bashing the president.
Not like he doesn’t deserve bashing. Change you can believe in:
Awesome! And I know I know, all you
libtards -not rebublikkkansDemocrats are gonna say “Well, Dubya did it!”. As if, somehow, because George did it, it must be okay. As if, Dubya was a good President.The link:
newsweek.com/id/202875
And, by the way, Newsweek ranks 14th out of 20 in the “Most Neutral List”. Hardly Conservative.
TDro319 Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
You ought to be happy, Pino. Obama’s recycling the ol’ Bush policies that you’re so fond of. So quit complaining.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 am
Biden is not president. He can say a lot of stuff and it doesn’t hold the weight of the Office of the President. Let the Biden roll, Obama is in charge not him.
And yet Cheney is the Anti-Christ.
jasperjava Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:40 am
Obviously Cheney was the brains behind the criminal B*sh regime, and Dubya was just the sock puppet who was there to appeal to the religious fundamentalists.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:09 am
These GOP blowhards – could care less for the cause of Iranian Dissidents. If they ever bothered to read up on the views of the dissidents – they will find them to be more appreciative sincere low key support from Obama then the smoke they are blowing. All this Chest Thumping
is for narrow political gains. If this causes the Dissidents to be labelled as US stooges, giving Ahmedinizad ammunition to come down hard on them. And all this escalation gives US a chance to battle Iran and realize the McCain’s dream of Bombing Iran. Cynical, eh? I would not put any thing past these war mongers.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:40 am
Obviously Cheney was the brains behind the criminal B*sh regime, and Dubya was just the sock puppet who was there to appeal to the religious fundamentalists.
How much of your life is just, literally, made up facts?
TDro319 Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
And how naive are you, Pino. Do you actually believe that Bush had a say in GOP policy? If so, I have an invisible bridge in Alaska I’d like to sell ya.
EricG Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
My same question for you, Pino?
Heck, all Republicans and conservatvies.
Do you people just make stuff up when Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly don’t say it first?
Because you lie to us every day and call it ‘truth.’
You have to actually read something other than the National Review if you want to talk like that.
If you knew HALF the facts of what just happened in this nation and the truth of the Republican movement … you would never defend them ever again.
You saying Bush didn’t invade Iraq without letting the inspectors do their job?
You saying we didn’t violate the Geneva Convention of Torture?
You saying that Bush protected the economy from failure?
You saying that American Values include waterboarding (Chinese water-torture) and having the government look through all your communications and having our intelligence agencies create ‘watch lists’?
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Anyone who defends freedom, liberty and justice is not a conservative. Not in 2009.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:21 am
As for the Fannie and Freddie, I’ll have to read it better in the morning, but they have always been “muckin’ in the markets” for the last ten years at least.
Any insight on this one? Can we at least agree that Fannie and Freddie both escaped Obama’s new regulations and they are continuing to force lending to people who can’t afford the note?
JFA Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Pino, don’t forget that obama was the largest single recipient of campaign donations from freddie and fanny. Maybe that bought the escape?
OldLefty Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Pino,
That was the weirdest article in that I think everyone is right and everyone is wrong. Do we need more regulations that may prevent those who can from selling?
On the other hand if something is going down the tubes, the last thing we need is more predatory bankers making on toxic loans.
Geithner did promise to work with Congress and other federal agencies in trying to solve the Fannie and Freddie fiasco, promising some type of proposal in early 2010.
It seems to me that the biggest problem is that the right thinks Democrats FORCED banks to give people loans who could not afford them, while the left thinks that Wall Street FORCED Democrats AND Republicans to lower the to make more and more mortgages available for trading whether they were toxic or not, because they made a lot of money while passing around the hot potato.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
don’t forget that obama was the largest single recipient of campaign donations from freddie and fanny.
Don’t worry about THAT one; I certainly won’t forget. However, you’d be hard pressed to get ANY of the liberals in here to even admit to that fact much less acknowledge any sort of quid pro quo.
JFA Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Yeah, Pino, and Chris Dodd was second in line. Humm, didn’t he get that super duper deal from countrywide and his buddy Angelo Mozilo??? Take a wild guess who countrywide turffed that mortgage off to??
EricG Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
You assume much, Pino.
I have a few issues in terms of the funding-side of the Obama ‘08 campaign. F & F rates low on my list, very low. They help people get housing and the whole thing needs to be altered to better fit what we can and cannot do. F & F did not cause the recession, like idiots who hate this nation have no doubt told you.
Only someone blinded by partisanship could possibly think such a thing or report it as fact. The fact is that deregulation and deception is the cause and for all the BS the right wing spreads and repeats the facts sit right there for any real American who truly gives a damn about this nation and not in love with their political party so hard they defy all knowledge and facts for the propaganda.
I didn’t like him using MoveOn.org in the campaign. I though that was a bad move. There was lobbyists hanging around, not nearly as many as in the McCain camp, and I’d like to see that change.
The list goes on.
But I deal in bottom-lines and brass-taxes.
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The bottom line is that one party is corrupt to the point that they allowed the nation to be economically destroyed and by zeal or idiocy they have violated the US Constitution and presume to call themselves ‘Americans’ after doing so.
The brass-taxes are that the first American Torture Program and the first American Homeland Attack happened under a Republican president and his party hold responsibility still unclaimed for the destruction of the markets and the destruction of freedoms both at home and abroad.
JFA Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Hey little eric, you wrote…..” the first American Homeland Attack happened under a Republican president. No, no it wasn’t. That happened in 02/26/1993 under BJ clinton, no?
EricG Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Yea, your right. I have to amend that.
It’s the first foreign attack on the homeland.
I got that wrong.
“little eric,”
Well, apparently there is no respect to be had from conservatives on the internet.
Oh well.
I guess I don’t care what you call me.
You dick-less, child molesting, Nazi pig.
JFA Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Yeah, but I’m trying to quit. Oh, can you quit being little eric?
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:35 pm
You don’t earn respect by throwing out your own “facts’ and trying to pass them as accurate history.
EricG Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
“Oh, can you quit being little eric?”
Well I’d put it at 99% that the way to do this your eyes is to be no longer a liberal. I think your a partisan. One of those people who are biased against all liberals or Democrats and just don’t listen to people and instead demean themto make yourself feel better.
So, no. I can’t be someone I’m not. But if the path to not be ‘little eric’ in your oh-so mighty eyes is to be honest and straight forward then I already am. Thus I demanded you treat me with the same respect I show to you by simply quoting your name and words instead of injecting playground taunts into politics and discussion.
But it’s asking too much … isn’t it?
At leasy when asking a conservative.
“You don’t earn respect by throwing out your own “facts’ and trying to pass them as accurate history.”
Well then what happened? Run down the lead up the Iraq War, run down everything Constitutional about The Patriot Act, run down exactly how the economy failed, run down the history of Nixon to Reagan to Bush to Bush, …….
Shall we go on?
I am not an educator nor a journalist.
Find out for yourself why I might think these are ‘facts’ and then see the wonderful thing that so many Americans would rather ’sound byte themselves’ then read more than ONE source.
Seriously, throwing out my point of view and stating what I see as the truth is EXACTLY what a real American does. Calling people names and misstating the nature others is not.
I am not perfect. If I was I’d be God.
I get to be a human. But I’m telling you now that I keep a little mental tally on these things:
I have been told to ‘be quiet’ and ‘pipe down’ about six different times on this website alone, about ten times on MySpace Forums and countless times in random chats …. every single time by a CONSERVATIVE.
I have never ONCE been told to silence myself by other liberals, not even once in all the different sources of this internet example I’m using. That says a lot to me because I disagree all over the place with your typical liberal. But we just have a discussion on the difference in opinion.
I hate pointing the finger so much.
For every finger you point at someone there is four fingers pointing back at you.
But I am not joking nor messing around when I question the integrity of conservatives an Republicans.
They keep proving to me personally they are not just disagreeing with my views but they are plain BAD FOLKS. I wish it weren’t so but nobody is providing me with much to work with.
I could cry.
TDro319 Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
“Don’t worry about THAT one; I certainly won’t forget.”
Oooohhh I’m sure you won’t, Pino. Fast forward to the year 2020. The headlines read; “GOP invades Italy using Bush Doctrine techniques, thousands killed”.
Pino’s response: “Oh yeah? Don’t forget that obama was the largest single recipient of campaign donations from freddie and fanny.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
They help people get housing and the whole thing needs to be altered to better fit what we can and cannot do.
That is libtard for “They put people in homes who otherwise couldn’t afford them. Have no hope of paying for them. And there is no worry because the government will bail them out when they default on the loan.”
deregulation and deception is the cause
No. It was due to increased regulation –Banks forced to sell loans to people that had no hope pf paying them back–and changed regulation –Mark to Market–that caused this.
the first American Homeland Attack
The bombing of the World Trade Center didn’t occur in your world?
EricG Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
“The bombing of the World Trade Center didn’t occur in your world?”
Excuse me, first foreign attack on the homeland.
“That is libtard for “They put people in homes who otherwise couldn’t afford them. Have no hope of paying for them. And there is no worry because the government will bail them out when they default on the loan.””
I refuse to degrade myself to this level of unamerican and uncivil debate. You have proven to me that you hold no credibility and no love for your country. If you cannot debate people like an adult than please remove yourself from all politics.
That’s not true. But you just go ahead and believe whatever you want. It’s a waste of time to try and convince people who love their political party more than they love their country and the people within it.
“No. It was due to increased regulation –Banks forced to sell loans to people that had no hope pf paying them back–and changed regulation –Mark to Market–that caused this.”
Wow! I guess there is no hope. I know all about Mark to Market and I know all about Clinton screwing things up and so on.
But if you’re saying that … then you’ve already been bought and sold like a commodity by right wing talkers and people who want to repeat the crash so they can count their money as you and I take the hit.
NINJA Loans – I know all about this to. And all the evidence (read something for the sake of the nation, I beg you!) shows that this was not the driving force of the recession. Just a major factor in it.
Furthermore, it goes to show just how much of an American you are when you want to blame the foolish decisions of individuals instead of blaming the greedy and heartless organizations who gave these loans out in the first place.
Someone on this thread hates America, hates the facts, hates liberals, hates freedom of speech and hates using his brain.
Probably the guy who is so disrespectful to call someone a ‘libtard’ just for disagreeing with him.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
the right thinks Democrats FORCED banks to give people loans who could not afford them,
Correct. And the Democrats did this.
while the left thinks that Wall Street FORCED Democrats AND Republicans to lower the to make more and more mortgages available for trading whether they were toxic or not, because they made a lot of money while passing around the hot potato.
I believe this is true as well. The mortgages were bundled and sold. However, they were sold in slices based on risk. Everybody knew what they were buying. What people DIDN’T know was that the method of accounting for the value of those things was going to change.
Now, I don’t think that Mark to Market was either a malicious thing or even a bad thing. Only that it was a thing that by changing it, caught a whole bunch of people off guard.
EricG Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:35 pm
“Everybody knew what they were buying.”
Um, no. That’s why we have ‘toxic assets’ floating around. because people bought up these ‘bundles’ and found out later that they were just a pile of stink.
“I don’t think that Mark to Market was either a malicious thing or even a bad thing”
That’s pretty crappy. You have the wrong mindset for continued economic growth. If we let you and your mindset back into power we will have more recessions and ultimately the entire capitalist system will fail under these reasoning’s.
Who sets the M to M?
If you can answer that then you already know why it is a bad thing.
Can I set the price on all the things I want to buy?
Can I rate my own portfolio and then sell myself at whatever wage I can dream up?
Well the banks screwed you and me and now you’re so damn bought off by this unintelligent baloney that you want to repeat the whole event.
How many crashes will it take before Pino comes back down to reality?
Two more? Three?
We can’t afford to test your insane theories and follow teh destructive course of Republican rule of the government and economy.
They failed. You failed.
Accept defeat or be forever taken as charlatan.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Hey ERIC, how many democrats lost everything they had because of those evil guys you keep ranting and raving about?
EricG Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Well … my mom lost half her retirement.
How about that?
That good enough for you?
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This is not ranting and raving. Let me show you:
THIS NATION HAS BEEN FINALLY RECLAIMED FROM PEOPLE WHO HATE FREEDOM AND JUSTICE AND BID NOTHING BUT DEATH UPON THE MUSLIM PEOPLE. THIS ECONOMY WAS HIJACKED BY GREEDY, HEARTLESS DEMONS WHO LOVE TO TAKE FOOD OFF THE PLATES OF HARD-WORKING AMERICANS. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS STOOD FOR NOTHING BUT RACISM AND KEEPING THE POOR DOWN. THEY STAND FOR NOTHING BUT GREED AND THE LORD JESUS CHRIST STANDS AS FAR FROM THEM AS HE POSSIBLY COULD. LET THE MOBS OF TRUE PATRIOTS TAKE THE CRIMINALS TO THEIR JAIL CELLS. THOSE WHO FAIL TO DEFEND THE ECONOMY AND FAIL TO UPHOLD THEIR OATH OF OFFICE SHOULD FACE IMPRISONMENT.
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That’s ranting. I don’t do it. Because it’s all just an excuse to get your blood pumping.
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I still think that conservatives are so vapid of values and love for this nation that they are not fit to present themselves as they are.
If I can hear more sanity and more good arguments I’ll change my tune. As it stands now the people so twisted and sick in the head to believe Bush did anything but trash this nation and screw all of us in the process are not worthy of anything but scorn.
I have never been so disappointed in a movement.
I expected them to hate Obama and be angry at their loss.
But the complete lack of taking responsibility and the BS I get from pricks like Pino and whoever else hates this nation and loves their political party is not anything but deception and plain evil tactics.
Some people are just bad news. They are not okay in the head. They have to act like children and never can admit when they have done wrong.
I see nothing to respect in that. No common ground.
Prove me wrong. The hate is real. And I’m getting to point that I just don’t care to be a real man and I’ll just join the little boys in their stupid name-calling and personal attacks.
Why not? If a man acts the fool, then why should you treat him as anything but?
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Excuse me, first foreign attack on the homeland.
The bombers of the World Trade Center were American Citizens?
I refuse to degrade myself to this level of unamerican and uncivil debate.
Right.
If you cannot debate people like an adult than please remove yourself from all politics.
It’s not that I can’t. It’s that no one is debating. All I get from you is wishing and hoping. made up facts and opinion. If you wanna debate, then debate. But dear Lord, base it on facts.
EricG Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:51 pm
This gets old.
You obviously don’t read anything unless a conservative prepares it for you.
“If you wanna debate, then debate. But dear Lord, base it on facts.”
You’re pissing me off. You can’t show me facts on my your opinion nor can I. Don’t be an idiot.
The fact is that the market crashed under Bush and his economic policies.
You are going to argue that point?
Then I’m done. I’m not debating if the sky is blue and if we are really here or not. Waste of my time and yours to do such things.
“The bombers of the World Trade Center were American Citizens?”
Well, I was … 16 when that happened and I have my facts wrong.
This is called being honest. You should try it out sometime.
I was wrong.
I still blame Bush for dropping the ball on 9/11 and the economy. But that’s just my take on it.
“It’s that no one is debating.”
You’re wrong. Dead wrong.
We are, in between you being an idiot and me getting pissed off and misstating myself, debating right here and now.
But you called me a ‘libtard’ and frankly that ended it for me.
If this is in person I’d walk away from you right there.
Why?
I am a Christian. And if you speak to me that way I will attack you, I’ll try to hurt you.
And I don’t believe in that stuff. So I’d walk away.
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You crossed the line.
You tried to evoke emotion and irrationality from me by using childish taunts and mean-spirited dialogue.
And you did it before I could do it to you!
So don’t let me call myself perfect.
But I’m not you.
I at least try to show respect to others regardless of political affiliation.
That’s why nobody debates.
Because some — person — like yourself behaves like a ten year old and uses language fit for Comedy Central but not real discussion.
You couldn’t debate yourself out of wet paper bag and I’m fully able to back everything I say up.
But I don’t get paid to do this. I have a life.
Find out for yourself what happened over the past eight years or don’t. Your the one who will suffer right along with me if we follow this destructive path laid out by Republicans.
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There was a time when I would have said to others:
“You know there a few okay conservatives on this one website I’m always screwing around on.”
I take it back. I was talking about you and Jared and a few others that come and go.
I guess I was wrong. Your all just as partisan and hateful as Savage or another unamerican fascist pig.
I guess this nation is screwed. We are all going to fail as nation and forever be controlled by Washington politics. Too bad. I was hoping this nation might do okay but I could be wrong about that too.
Maybe we are going to fail as a nation. It all starts right here.
Two Americans who hate each other because of a disagreement.
Like i said. You say this unpatriotic drivel to my face and treat anyone like that in my presence.
I am leaving because the next thing is bringing the pain on the ignorant losers. And I don’t like walking with Satan. He is a bad dude.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Does anyone else around here feel compelled to insert the word “zee” in front of homeland ?
I don’t know which is more distastful for me, czar or homeland.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Thanks to the current administration we have more czars in one term than 400 years of russian history.
That’s not a compliment
average james Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Hiya Bliss,
Yah, not my favorite either.
Howyadoin ?
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Um, no.
Leave Mr. Cara out of this ;-)
With that said. Um, yes.
why we have ‘toxic assets’ floating around. because people bought up these ‘bundles’ and found out later that they were just a pile of stink.
Correct. However, when they bought these assets, they bought them by risk. The higher the risk, the higher the payback. Some were priced lower, others generated higher payback [interest] or whatever. This was a well understood transaction. It wasn’t until these “papers” went “unbuyable” due to the fact that no one could value that paper. And when those assets went “unbuyable” on the market, they had to be valued at zero. And when THAT happened, these large banks became over leveraged over night. And THAT is what caused them to fail.
Who sets the M to M?
Market.
Can I set the price on all the things I want to buy?
Clearly not. The same way in which a company can not set the price they want to sell things.
Can I rate my own portfolio and then sell myself at whatever wage I can dream up?
I don’t think so but Democrats do. –backhanded swipe at minimum wage laws–
They failed.
Capitalism is not without corrections. And painful ones. But the fact remains that Capitalism is the single best method for creating wealth and driving innovation and raising the standard of living for EVERYONE the world has ever known.
EricG Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:19 pm
“However, when they bought these assets, they bought them by risk”
Who took the risk? The bailed out banks? Doesn’t that not make sense?
“Who sets the M to M? Market.”
Exactly the problem. We let the market set it’s own value. Madness. Total madness. And chaos ensured.
—- Hold on a minute, because we just hit the serious thing to understand:
What made these assets worth ZERO? How was that possible in the first place?
The …. uh … I really like people to fill in last part. Like your pointing out all I ever do is lay down MY blah-blah.
How could something with value in the market as an asset suddenly be worth absolutely nothing at all?
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“But the fact remains that Capitalism is the single best method for creating wealth and driving innovation and raising the standard of living for EVERYONE the world has ever known.”
Well I’m a capitalist so you don’t have to convince me. I always wonder if people like yourself have ever debated this issue with an ACTUAL socialists from Europe you would be more able to sound intelligent about something like calling the President a ’socialist’ when that is utter horse-crud.
What I said was that the Free Market failed. Did I say it oddly? I apologize.
The age of little or no regulation on Wall Street is over, I’m all the way over to the Progressive Reformist in the spirit of Taft or something in that ideology about the markets.
In terms of the ’stick’ I say the govt should have a very big one that hits everyone equally.
In terms of the ‘take’ I probably agree with you or any conservative about handing them money under normal circumstances. As it stands I think economic recovery is a necessary evil.
So it’s hopeless for someone like me and any ‘free markateers’ to ever line up. That’s just too big a gap to really get around.
THIS IS WHY WE ARE TO TRY TO BE CIVIL!
Arrgh
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 3:08 am
if markets were truly allowed to be free, market corrections would be minor. Government regulation and meddling created the bubble and kept pumping it full of air.
In a truly free market the market would rise and fall in minor levels, gently trending upwards as collective wealth (under a sane monetary policy) increased.
Bubbles are created when you don’t allow the market to correct or delay corrections. No president/Congress/Fed Chairman wants a recession on their watch…so they regulate and regulate and play with the dollar to make sure we “show growth” eventually that growth is based on a shaky foundation and the foundation cracks and no regulation they can dream of works fast enough and instead of a one story building falling we have a massive skyscraper tumbling to the earth.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
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June 22nd, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Oh that! I know that game. That’s my old bag of tricks.
I decided it was evil to treat people like my playthings instead of my peers.
I guess everyone has to figure stuff out on their own.
“It’s when you act like a total a$$ assuming that you are just so right.”
Illustrate the point or shut up.
Yea … I’m right. Why don’t you prove me wrong instead being vague? Hm?
Did it ever occur to you that this is one way to learn new things?
I don’t see any evidence of George W. Bush doing anything except violating the Constitution and wrecking the economy.
Show me the money! (repeat six times)
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
In the interest of bipartisanship here is a very well thought-out and referenced blogger who most likely stands ideologically opposed to myself but he is on my blogroll:
http://steveneidman.com/2009/06/22/127/
(Heathcare and lobbyists)
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
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