Is Obama Bringing Enough Change?
One of the huge failings of BushCo was their policy of holding detainees indefinitely with no trials. Word is that the Obama administration is preparing an executive order that would do the same thing.
…half of the cases (at Gitmo), the officials said, present the greatest difficulty because these detainees cannot be prosecuted in federal court or military commissions. In many cases the evidence against them is classified, has been provided by foreign intelligence services or has been tainted by the Bush administration’s use of harsh interrogation techniques.
Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold believes this is just like recreating Gitmo on US soil. He told Attorney General Eric Holder, “I think this could be a very big mistake, because of how such a system could be perceived throughout the world.”
Instituting long-term detention through an executive order would leave Obama vulnerable to charges that he is willing to forsake the legislative branch of government, as his predecessor often did. Bush’s detention policies suffered defeats in the courts in part because they lacked congressional approval and tried to exclude judicial oversight.
“…these detainees cannot be prosecuted in federal court or military commissions.”
Bull.
“In many cases the evidence against them is classified, has been provided by foreign intelligence services…”
So you get clearances for everybody and you classify the court proceedings.
“… or has been tainted by the Bush administration’s use of harsh interrogation techniques.”
Well we all know what the answer for that is. Either you put your principles into practice or you don’t really believe in anything except the expediency of the moment.
EricG Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Well said, Rocky.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
all of which must be why Obama has reinstated the military tribunals…
Interesting…”innit”?
Either you put your principles into practice or you don’t really believe in anything
Except when it’s YOU and YOU think Limbaugh/Cheney/Rumsfeld should be waterboarded…right, ROCKY?
OldLefty Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
What’s so interesting?
He changed the rules.
Statements that have been obtained from detainees using cruel, inhuman and degrading interrogation methods will no longer be admitted as evidence at trial; the use of hearsay will be limited, so that the burden will no longer be on the party who objects to hearsay to disprove its reliability; the accused will have greater latitude in selecting counsel; basic protections will be provided for those who refuse to testify.
As a presidential candidate, Obama had called the military commissions procedurally flawed.
Eric Holder, at his Senate confirmation hearing, said the tribunals would only be used if they were “substantially revamped” to give detainees more due-process rights.
What do you want when the evidence has been so tainted?
not what left leaning liberals want, but a vast improvement on a horrible mess.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
OLD LEFTY,
Yes, information obtained via EITs is inadmissable…
What else ya?
Interesting that Obama had ordered all military tribunals stopped indefinitely…and now they’re restarted.
Interesting that Obama has said GTMO would be closed in his first year…no way.
Interesting that Obama was a bit naive in thinking other countries would take the detainees…and now we’re stuck with them.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Reality is a lot different than the campaign trail where you aren’t responsible for the safety of every American.
OldLefty Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Like everyone has said, there is such a mess.
I love how you guys act like he made the mess , instead of trying to clean it up, in some grown up fashion.
I always said if I cared more about Obama, than the nation, I would make the Republicans clean up the mess.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
OLD LEFTY,
If I thought he was doing something remarkable, I’d say so…however, he’s just reinstated a Bush era policy.
I love how YOU guys act like he’s doing something that he’s not. It’s a left/right thing…I get it…
OldLefty Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Military tribunals are old.
Washington and Andrew used them.
Using hearsay and evidence obtained through torture are Bush era policies.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 12:02 am
OLD LEFTY,
There you go with your justification debate tactic…
Obama said he would terminate the military tribunals indefinitely…then he reinstated them.
He reinstated a Bush era policy at GTMO.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 1:48 am
Lefty…
didn’t we just have a long discussion about hypocrisy….
This is all just a sad sad case of what happens when no one has the balls to follow the constitution (from either of the last 2 administrations)
If they really can’t be tried…what happens under our judicial system????they go free.
I’ve long said that a lot of these detainees are a difficult problem because of our “war” doesn’t fit the standard definition, a lot of these guys are not POW’s and our judicial system isn’t set up for cases like these.
The truth is that it was a mistake to detain them for as long as we did in the first place, they should have been released as soon as we were done questioning them or we should treat them like POW’s (which creates it’s own set of problems, since they are not affiliated with powers that we negotiate with)
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
“Except when it’s YOU and YOU think Limbaugh/Cheney/Rumsfeld should be waterboarded…right, ROCKY?”
Limbaugh, Cheney and Rumsfeld don’t consider waterboarding “torture”, so this type of “enhanced interrogation” would be like a trip to the water park for these guys.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
TDRO
What do you think navy seal training is like?
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Yes but our navy seals know they aren’t going to be killed during their drill. As JEsse Ventura, a former Navy Seal who served in VietNam:
“I was water boarded, so I know — at SERE School, Survival Escape Resistance Evasion. It was a required school you had to go to prior to going into the combat zone, which in my era was Vietnam. All of us had to go there. We were all, in essence — every one of us was water boarded. It is torture.”
Again, if Limbaugh, Cheney and Rumsfeld don’t consider waterboarding torture, they should be lining up to experience it firsthand in order to prove their point. But I’m not holding my breath.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
And if you don’t think the terrorists you want released from gitmo are dangerous then you should be willing to be a host family for them if they are released.
Thanks to the current administration, future enemy combatants know exactly what to expect.
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Where, in my above post, did I says the terrorists weren’t dangerous? Pulling s**t out of your ass again, are you?
Thanks to the current administration, you bet they know exactly what to expect. Speak softly but carry a big stick.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
TDRO
I have come to the conlcusion that you are a minor using the computer while your parents are at work.
The big stick left office months ago.
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
So I assume by your childish response that you don’t have an accurate and intellectual response. That’s okay. I wouldn’t expect anything more from you.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
What answer were you looking for? An answer you can agree with?
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Furthermore Bliss, if you think Bush spoke softly but carried a big stick, you’re one of 25 people left who believe that.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
TDRO
I never said he spoke softly. Speaking softly is sometimes WAY overrated. He did carry a big stick, and helped to keep us safe
OldLefty Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
When did anyone say they wanted terrorists released?
Don’t you have to find out who is and who is not a terrorist before you talk about what to do with people?
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Old
If we follow your logic we should believe everything the people who are locked up in gitmo say. SO, I guess none of them are terrorists.
OldLefty Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
If we follow your logic we should believe everything the people who are locked up in gitmo say. SO, I guess none of them are terrorists.
…………………..
No, we just don’t know until we put out all the evidence and try them.
We don’t want any more Dilawars.
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
BC: “What answer were you looking for? An answer you can agree with?”
TD: No, just something more intelligent.
BC: “He did carry a big stick, and helped to keep us safe”
TD: Except on 9/11.
June 28th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
“The order could be rescinded and would not block any future attempts at legislation.”-from Thinkprogress.org.
I think Alan is jumping to some conclusions in his post. I think Obama realizes how Congress isn’t exactly going to help him with this mess and needs this order.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 1:50 am
so let them languish for 7 years until the next president can decide to lift the presidential order or not…truthfully the more I think about presidential orders and the way they are used and implemented the more I think they should be declared unconstitutional.
June 28th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Is Obama Bringing Enough Change?
Are you kidding? He is doing the absolute minimum he can, on issues as wide ranging as these detentions, drug policy, gay rights, etc…
No. Obama is not bringing enough change.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
change you can believe in
EricG Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
I agree. But I’m a realist. This is more or less exactly what I expected.
He is better than McCain or pick your Republican. More logical, more considerate, more intelligent and more pro-active.
Is he the perfect liberal president? No.
Who said he was?
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
He isn’t doing what he promised. He is doing exactly what you wanted to stone bush for doing.
I am waiting for you to admit Bush didn’t do a bad job since you don’t think he is doing one either on the gitmo deal.
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
If we elected a bag of horse manure to the white house Bush would still be the worst president in US history–and if Obama does nothing else at least he got himself elected legally and legitimately.
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
And, not only that, if Obama just sits in the oval office playing with himself for the next eight years at least we won’t have another radical rightwing republikkkan extremist driving this nation and the whole damn human race that much closer to total and irrevocable annihilation.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Bush was elected legally both times.
How old are you rocky??? 4??
crh3e Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
“He isn’t doing what he promised. He is doing exactly what you wanted to stone bush for doing.”
That is a complete lie. Obama did not start the Iraq war. Obama has not added any detainees to Gitmo neither. He is cleaning up the mess from the last eight years. It’s going to take some time.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
CR
Did obama vote YES? Think so.
crh3e Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Vote YES? For what the Iraq war? When the joint resolution to authorize the use of U.S. armed forces against Iraq came up in the senate in Oct. 2002 Obama was not a U.S. senator. Think what?
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
“He is doing exactly what you wanted to stone bush for doing.”
Really? How many unnecessary wars has Obama started?
Kregg Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
TD said: Really? How many unnecessary wars has Obama started?
K: The same number as did Bush…
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
K: “K: The same number as did Bush…”
TD: And name those two wars that Obama started.
June 28th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
The job Obama is doing with Gitmo is vastly different from the Bush approach. This order may not be what the leftist of liberals wants but it is a step in the right direction. Obama is doing what’s practical for the matter. Change does not happen overnight.
Nero Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Please let us in on these vast differences and how the direction is different. He’s shipped a few of them over to countries that engage in actual torture like Saudi Arabia and Chad. I suppose that’s a change.
OldLefty Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Those are the home countries of those detainees.
Nero Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
First of all, you’re assuming that. Second of all, that doesn’t mean they still won’t get much harsher treatment in their home countries. I thought we were supposed to be about human rights, not sweeping people under the carpet through rendition.
June 28th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Yes, as if by magic, it’s been 6 months of joy.
The godawful “war on terror” was won. We got instead, the much preferable “overseas contingency operations”.
Guantanamo has mysteriously gone away too. In place of those icky ” enemy unlawful combatants”, there are now misunderstood “detainees”, with personal stories about like our own.
We can now make long over due amends to these framed “terrorists”.
Oh yes, for the first time in eight years, we are a civil, legal, society again.
It is an incredible time. Obama pushed the reset button and everyone is so happy.
RDM Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Some maintain that a vote to fund the War is a vote in favor of the war.
Most recently:
Last week the War Supplemental Appropriations Bill passed. Included was foreign aid and money for the International Monetary Fund. Here we are in a ecomomic downturn???
660 mil to Gaza, 555 mil to Israel, 310 mil to Egypt, 300 mil to Jordan, 420 mil to Mexico, 889 mil to the United Nations, 1 billion overseas to address global financial crisis, 8 billion to address potential pandemic flu, and 108 billion loan to the IMF!
Cap & Trade, or as I like to call it, the Big Green Scam, is on the way to the Senate( 1000 plus pages). Did anyone read it?
Where are the jobs? Unemployment has Tripled since the begining of the year. 9 million are receiving jobless benefits. California is being called the Doomsday State, and 15 states have have depleted their unemployment funds.
The “Cash for Clunkers” program-designed by the geniuses who brought us the tax code. Another Union friendly move.
Universal Health Care and Immigration are coming up as fast as The Pusher-in- Chief can shove them down our throats!
I am one of the old unpatriotic, won’t pay their fair share misers, who has been magically ordered to go or just vanish.
crh3e Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
We were giving money to other countries under the last president remember?
RDM Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Yes I do. No way is it the same!
RDM Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Don’t you remember that liberal angst about the Bush deficit simply disappeared. Gone. Vanished
It was replaced by “stimuli”. It was your moment to grow our way out of any shortfall. New Math would prove it? Geniuses like Timothy Geithner can tell you how sunny things are becoming.
All gone those worries?
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 1:53 am
unemployment has Tripled since the begining of the year.
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do you care to qualify that statement? because it’s no where near true unless you are speaking of a very specific situation and location that I can’t determine.
RDM Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 9:28 am
GVH
I could phrase it this way; the number who Got Checks- are triple the number at the begining of the year.
New stats for June will be out July 2nd. Maybe good news?
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 30th, 2009 at 2:40 am
so the new claims of unemployment tripled from what…January to May?
June 28th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Its real simple. Uncle Bob Gates told the bush admin to do this and hes telling the Obama Admin the same.
I dont think Obama had much of a choice in this.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
So Obama can’t figure it out either. Funny, he seemed to have all the answers when he was a junior state senator and had no accountability for his diarrhea of the mouth.
crh3e Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
It’s not that Obama can’t figure it out. He knows what he wants to do. It’s just that he can’t get Congress to go along with his plan. See we have more than one branch of government in this country.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
*despite their united campaign promises…
crh3e Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Common sense dictates that the major parties typically unite in an election year. After all, John McCain picked Sarah Palin not Tom Ridge like he should’ve if he wanted to make it a contest. I remember W. promising in ‘99 not to nation build and guess what we’re still rebuilding Iraq. Campaign promises huh.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
CRH3E,
Yes, common sense DOES dictate that parties unite during campaigns…
So, now that you understand this…don’t complain about your Dem congress splitting with the President…
Party of “Change”, huh?
crh3e Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
There were no complaints aimed at the Congress. I was just saying that is why there is the talk of this executive order. Since you agree there is a split between the white house and congress maybe you can answer Cara’s question below.
Um Cara Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
It’s not that Obama can’t figure it out. He knows what he wants to do. It’s just that he can’t get Congress to go along with his plan.
Interesting. So what, exactly, has Obama tried to get congress to do that they have refused?
crh3e Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Close Gitmo in a year.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
- Not raise taxes on 95% of Americans making less than $250K
Um Cara Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
So he wants to close Gitmo, but he wants to be able to ‘preemptively’ imprison people who have not committed a crime?
You don’t see a half hearted attempt to close Gitmo as pure symbolism, without substance – given his desire to preemptively imprison people who have not committed a crime? Somehow the physical location of the illegal imprisonment is supposed to be important?
Please.
The weak symbolism is nothing compared to the reality of the crimes against freedom he is in favor of.
He hasn’t spent one penny of political capital on anything.
JaredfromTexas Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
UM CARA,
He hasn’t spent one penny of political capital on anything.
He may not have spent any yet…but he does have a lot of political capital invested in the health care bill and cap and trade.
Um Cara Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
He may not have spent any yet…but he does have a lot of political capital invested in the health care bill and cap and trade.
The vast majority of Americans want health care, and who is he fighting for cap and trade? Fighting the Republican party, who has done everything they can to make themselves as irrelevant as possible doesn’t count.
crh3e Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
“given his desire to preemptively imprison people who have not committed a crime?”
-you are reaching that conclusion from one article in the Washington Post? First off if you read the article, it says Obama has not decided whether or not to write this executive order.
Um Cara Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
First off if you read the article, it says Obama has not decided whether or not to write this executive order.
LOL
crh3e Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
“He hasn’t spent one penny of political capital on anything.”
-now that’s funny given the House passed the energy bill on Friday. LOL!
Um Cara Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
-now that’s funny given the House passed the energy bill on Friday.
Yes? And?
JaredfromTexas Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Mark,
Did you watch the match?
Nero Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
How cute. He has a filibuster proof democrat congress and he’s the de facto leader of the democrat party. It’s pretty weak for him or you to blame things on congress. And if you can’t understand why please don’t tell me you vote.
crh3e Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
“Filibuster proof democrat congress..”
-Um last I checked there are 59 dem senators in the U.S. congress. That’s still one short of being filibuster proof. Please don’t tell me you vote.
Nero Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Oh yeah that’s right. I forgot that time the democrats had to break a filibuster to pass Obama’s agenda.
See, this type of juvenile partisanship is exactly what’s turning us into slaves. Ok, so it’s not technically filibuster proof. Does that take away from my point that democrats have overwhelming control of congress and it’s a copout to blame their lack of cooperation for Obama’s broken promises?
No, it doesn’t take away from my point at all. In fact it only proves my point that at any given time half the country is willing to embrace slavery as long as their party is the master.
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
True, the democrats have overwhelming control of congress, but the problem is they’re spineless.
One thing I can say about the republicans, regardless of how ill conceived and immoral their decisions were, they had the balls to follow through with them (much to the dismay of the American people).
June 28th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
If we elected a bag of horse manure to the white house Bush would still be the worst president in US history
So that is our standard? As long as Obama does marginally better than a bag of horse manure we should be satisfied?
Call me a kook, but I have my sights set higher.
I hope Obama starts doing better, or I hope he is a one termer.
Um Cara Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
*I don’t concede that Obama has, in fact, done better than a bag of horse manure. But for the sake of argument, I’ll agree that some perhaps think he has.
June 28th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 1:56 am
the ascent of stan…text book hippie man…once you wanted revolution…now you’re the institution….how’s it feel to be the man…it’s no fun to be the man.
June 28th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Carbon dioxide is what mammals exhale. He’s fighting to tax that. You people are cheering slavery because you think it makes you seem open-minded. History will deem you quite closed-minded and possibly even stupid.
Nothing the government does is “more affordable” than the free market. There is no possible way the government can make health care more affordable. He wants to control the health care industry and you people are cheering for it. You’re blindly supporting your own slavery because you’ve been conditioned to think republicans are evil by government schools.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I’d add that ignorance also plays a large role.
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Obama was talking about The largest sources of CO2 emissions globally, which is the combustion of fossil fuels such as coal, oil and gas in power plants, automobiles, industrial facilities and other sources. Not mammals.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
How much methane do cows produce in a year?
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
We were talking about CO2 Bliss, not methane. These are two different gasses. Try to keep up.
blissfulconservative Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
DDDDD. Really?? Thanks for that quick chemistry lesson.
You still didn’t answer my question. How much methane do cows produce in a year? AND since you want to be a smart alleck, how does that compare with CO2 emissions caused by humans?
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
BC: “How much methane do cows produce in a year?”
TD: I can’t say how much they emit per year, but each cow emits 200 to 400 quarts of methane gas per day.
BC: “how does that compare with CO2 emissions caused by humans?”
TD: CO2 emissions caused by humans can be more easily controlled than the methane gas produced by cattle.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
June 30th, 2009 at 2:38 am
CO2 emissions caused by humans can be more easily controlled than the methane gas produced by cattle.
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you can actually control (or at least lower) methane production using diet and proper farming habits.
Industrial cattle operations with singular grain diets creates massive methane. Small farm operations that use grazing and supplement diets with flaxseed and other grains have much reduced methane emissions from their cows.
Just think about the foods you eat, does your gas fluctuate with your diet? Of course it does.
June 28th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
I’m done with “The Washington Post.” Given its treatment of Dan Froomkin, and it’s deliberate desire to tap into a conservative perspective…it’s an untrustworthy, declining publication. (Sad, really.)
June 29th, 2009 at 12:01 am
We can’t forget Obama’s grandiose stimulus promises under this “Is Obama bringing enough change?” post:
-Unemployment would not get above 8% — we’re now at 9.4% and projected to be above 10 in the next couple of months
-Stimulus would create millions of new jobs — we’ve lost almost 3.5 million since the stimulus…but hey…we’ve “saved” 150K
The spin? “The economy was worse than we thought. -Rober Gibbs”
Wait…wasn’t it Obama himself who said his economic team was made of the “best and brightest” economists in the US?
huh…so the “best and brightest” economists couldn’t figure out the economy was “worse than we thought”?
I don’t know about the rest of you…but I’m just brimming with confidence!
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
…and this whole mess started under the Bush/Cheney administration.
RDM Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Yes, but now it’s Brand Obama.
Nancy Pelosi swore it was a ” culture of corruption”. Now geniuses like Barney Frank, John Murtha, Tom Daschel, Timothy Geithner, Chris Dodd and Harry Reid, unlike those right-wing crooks of the last Congress, a more nobel cast.
Maybe they can learn to read a bill, dot an i, cross a t, even turn in a 1040 or do the last page on a financial disclosure!
TDro319 Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I didn’t say it was any better under the Obama administration – yet. But I’m willing to give Obama at least a year or two to prove himself. The same amount of time I gave Bush/Cheney.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
President Alan said: One of the huge failings of BushCo was their policy of holding detainees indefinitely with no trials. Word is that the Obama administration is preparing an executive order that would do the same thing.
K: Ya’ know, Alan, when TWO presidents do the exact same thing with Gitmo – and one of those presidents reverses himself to do it – ya’ think that THEY may have a better perspective on the issues than do you?
June 29th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
change my butt hes making a disaster a catasprophy no he just detroyed this nation with his stupid plans (HES A COLONIAL PIRATE) what do u expect from half blooded nigerian !!!!
June 29th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Enough change…. we can’t afford these ideas.
Obama is moving America away from democracy… If we wanted to be socialist – we wouldn’t have fought to be free.
Impeach him.
July 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm