Iowa Senator Charles Grassley held a town hall meeting where a constituent asked why he couldn’t get the same plan Grassley has. First, Grassley had to be told by an aide what that plan is. Then, Grassley advised his fellow Iowan to get a job with the federal government.
Bliss, in true Republican form, you leave out MANY details. Here are a few….
“Survival in the USA is high on a global scale but varies quite widely among individual states as well as between blacks and whites within the USA,” he tells WebMD
Here is my favorite…….
In Canada and Australia, survival was also high for most cancers
What type of health care does Canada have? Single payer. What type of health care does Australia have?? Single payer.
You see Bliss, here in Liberaland, we do our research, we don’t agree with everything the leaders of our Party say. WE THINK FOR OURSELVES! And right now, every time I see a Retardpubliecan’t get up and talk about how BAD Gov’t health insurance would be, knowing THEY HAVE IT!, I think WHAT A FREAKIN’ HYPOCRITE!!!
“Retardpubliecant’s tell you Gov’t doesn’t work……then get elected and PROVE it”
TDRO,
From the latest NYT poll:
Although 72% support an optional “Medicare for all”, 63% figure that it would make the quality of their own health care worse and 65% that it would hurt the economy.
Would you suggest the “63%” of people who think the quality of their healthcare would become worse move?
Where did you get your 85% figure from?
Actually Blissless, I have my own coverage. I don’t need yours. I’m concerned about the Americans who can’t AFFORD healthcare coverage.
Like I said before, you belong to the “I have mine, so f**k you!” party. And that’s pitiful.
spin spin spin. GREEDY doctors will go elsewhere. I know exactly what liability insurance costs physicians and how little they actually make vs. amount of responsibility/work hours/stress/crap they have to put up with. So single payer healthcare will dramatically cut down on the crap they have to put up with.
I already know about medicaid – another socialized program that’s working very well, thank you.
That’s my point, you can’t answer the question about “the right for people to die because they can’t affort healthcare coverage” being in the constitution OR the bill of rights because IT AIN’T THERE.
85% of the people in the US want some form of single payer healthcare plan. 15% of the population who don’t want a single payer healthcare plan. Why don’t YOU 15%’ers move?
TDRO
You have what I like to call “I want what YOU have, all of it, muwhahahahhaahwahhaha syndrome”
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Holy crap, Batman, a politician held an UNSCRIPTED town hall meeting. What a refreshing and novel approach. May-be it’ll catch on at the WH … or may-be NOT.
July 5th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Yeah nice answer. Get a federal job or just walk into any ER. This is why we have the worst health care in the industrialized world.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Your second sentence is incorrect Rocky. It’s your opinion, not fact.
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
We pay three times as much as the people in every other industrialized country–and everybody in all those other countries live longer than us.
Worst health care in the industrialized world.
It’s just the simple fact.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Riddle me this: what are our cancer survival rates compared to those of socialized countries? Hmmm? AND why do canadians come south for cancer drugs they can’t get in canada? Why have so many canadian doctors migrated south to practice here?
everybody else in those other countries do NOT have the obesity rates, co-morbidity factors that we have here. We are a sedentary group of people who would rather watch a reality TV show than get out and move our butts.
It’s just a simple fact.
craig7120 Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Why have so many canadian doctors migrated south to practice here?
A wild geese would be greed?
couldnt resist. migrate, canadian
TDro319 Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
“Riddle me this: what are our cancer survival rates compared to those of socialized countries?”
Riddle me this: how many low income people can afford the astronomical rates for cancer treatment in the U.S. compared to other socialized countries?
You may not think we’re smart enough to have an affordable (socialized) AND superior healthcare system here in the U.S., but I do.
And the reason many doctors migrate here is simply for the big bucks. That’s it.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
TDRO
You still didn’t answer my question. What are the cancer survival rates HERE compared to other countries?
I have posted here numerous times, there are multiple facilities…multiple who offer services to cancer patients regardless of ability to pay.
You are so blinded by FREE FREE something for FREE that you don’t look at the negatives. You see NO negatives, though there are too many to count when it comes to socialized government controlled healthcare.
That’s NOT the only reason Docs migrate here, but for one second let’s say that’s the ONLY reason they come here. Where are the good docs gonna go once the government takes over?? ELSEWHERE.
EricG Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
“Worst health care in the industrialized world.
It’s just the simple fact.”
Worst health care insurance availability in the industrialized world.
The last non-emerging world nation to not have some style of public option.
That’s the parts I know are true.
We do a disservice to our citizens in this nation by not having some sort of plan from the govt.
What’s truly disgusting and amoral is that conservatives simply want to tell people to go ‘get a job’ or ‘figure it out’ while they have wonderful plans for themselves and their families.
The idea of reform and creating a system that insures more people is a downright humanitarian issue.
You want to address spending, the style of plan, how big it will be or who it will cover … those are all good points to discuss and debate between ourselves.
But if anyone is out there, and they are, spreading this idea that doing NOTHING is anything but heartless, greedy and cold they are fooling themselves.
Seems to me a Christian person might want to help the sick, the poor and the children.
The Republican Agenda on Health Care is un-Christian and ungodly. They should be ashamed of their resistance to helping others.
We can debate the plan and how to make it so … but to quash it is plain evil to me.
Helipilot Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
No, Rocky
Simple?
You can’t just make stuff up and then attack anyone who disagrees with you as being stupid. How is it that so many come to the US for health care? How is it that this miserable country sends health care around the world. Why do so many doctors come from other countries to study in America?
certainly, you don’t think it’s just the schools/
Exactly what part of the constitution or declaration of independence do you read, “The right to health care.” It’s now my responsibility to pay for everyone? Is this a country or a country club?
Where does the money for all these systems comes from some magic bean. It will come from us. So now what, we pay for the most inefficient system in the world? It was the administration who told us Social Security would be good; then is was Medicare, then Medicaid. Not one, not one of these elected officials use this system.
They got their own system that we pay for…
Why are you so willing to listen to the reprobates who saddle us with all these expensive systems that don’t work?
TDro319 Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
“You are so blinded by FREE FREE something for FREE that you don’t look at the negatives”
It’s better than your response to people who can’t afford the extravagant cost of healthcare; “I got mine, so F**k you!”
“Where are the good docs gonna go once the government takes over?? ”
The good doctors will stay here and help the sick. The GREEDY doctors will go elsewhere – and I say good riddance.
TDro319 Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
“Exactly what part of the constitution or declaration of independence do you read, ‘The right to health care’.”
Exactly what part of the constitution or declaration of independence do you read “the right of people to die because they can’t afford health care”?
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
TDRO
spin spin spin. GOOD doctors will go elsewhere. You don’t have a CLUE what liability insurance costs physicians and how little they actually make vs. amount of responsibility/work hours/stress/crap they have to put up with.
There is something called medicaid ALREADY in place. You should look it up.
You can’t answer the question about “right to health care” being in the constitution OR the bill of rights because IT AIN’T THERE.
NOW, if you want RATIONED socialized government controlled FREE healthcare why not move?
TDro319 Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
spin spin spin. GREEDY doctors will go elsewhere. I know exactly what liability insurance costs physicians and how little they actually make vs. amount of responsibility/work hours/stress/crap they have to put up with. So single payer healthcare will dramatically cut down on the crap they have to put up with.
I already know about medicaid – another socialized program that’s working very well, thank you.
That’s my point, you can’t answer the question about “the right for people to die because they can’t affort healthcare coverage” being in the constitution OR the bill of rights because IT AIN’T THERE.
85% of the people in the US want some form of single payer healthcare plan. 15% of the population who don’t want a single payer healthcare plan. Why don’t YOU 15%’ers move?
JaredfromTexas Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
TDRO,
From the latest NYT poll:
Although 72% support an optional “Medicare for all”, 63% figure that it would make the quality of their own health care worse and 65% that it would hurt the economy.
Would you suggest the “63%” of people who think the quality of their healthcare would become worse move?
Where did you get your 85% figure from?
July 5th, 2009 at 11:24 am
The senator was very rude.
July 5th, 2009 at 11:48 am
If any of your liberals believe for one second that YOUR health insurance will be like your congressman or senator’s you have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.
Even Colin Powell is saying we can’t pay for all this garbage.
OldLefty Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Better to fall for THAT hook line and sinker, than for the lackeys of the insurance companies.
And Colin Powell ALWAYS says that,
It’s not a new theme for Powell
He complained about the government’s size and intrusiveness in his 1996 speech to the Republican National Convention.
steve Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
My 1st day at the VA is Monday while you conservatives enjoy the free market apporach of healthcare going up each and bankrupt familes with people dying for lack of coverage as well. All conservatives can come up with for a answer is NO for to fix the problem.
I don,t care if you liberal or conservative,the congressman was rude. He could given the same answer in mellow tone. However he wants to sound like the leader of the GOP Rusk Jelly Belly Limpo.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Enjoy. I hope noone else contracts a communicable disease because of poor standards of practice visa vie our government health system.
Veterans deserve better than that.
steve Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
True,but i can receive the same type of insurance for working for the goverment.
TDro319 Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Yeah. I’d like to know when Obama is gonna repeal the budget cuts that Bush put on the VA. Hope it’s soon.
EricG Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
“If any of your liberals believe for one second that YOUR health insurance will be like your congressman or senator’s you have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.”
If any of you conservatives believe that keeping children and poor people from receiving quality health care if anything but working as corporate shills and servants of greed and corruption, you are fooling yourselves.
You have fallen hook line and sinker for this idea that the government can’t help anyone but is only good for killing Iraqis and Afghans.
If we can do one thing, we can do another.
And frankly it says a lot of the character of conservatives that they scream and holler about giving health care to crying babies and impoverished Americans while they clap and sound in praise for violence abroad.
Working to take life from others for profit and working for evil in the world at large is the game of conservatives and this health care issue is another nail in the coffin.
You go tell some poor father that his kids have to die because you don’t like ’socialized health care’ right after you used the ’socialized’ roads and mailed a letter with the ’socialized’ Post Office …
Some Americans are a bad bunch, some are misguided into believing lies … which are you?
You will be called to answer for the hatred, lies and propaganda the party has and will continue to spread that only hurts families and makes insurance companies more rich …
Heartless … only thing I can think of … heartless monsters who love their money more than they love human life.
May God have mercy on you all…
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Eric G
There is this thing called medicaid that kids and poor people under 65 have available to them. There is something called medicare that older Americans have.
Are you talking health insurance, or healthcare because they are two separate things. Health insurance is what you have to help cover healthcare costs. Healthcare is what you receive when you see a doctor, etc or are cared for by a nurse or nurses aide.
I can see that you have NO issue with taking money from ME and my kids which I have worked hard for to spread it around to other kids/families, do you?
spread the wealth around until all of us don’t have a pot to pee in. That what we are aiming for?
steve Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
BLISSFUL
I see you have no issue letting the drug makers and insureance companies richer as well. That is taking money from me and my kids.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Steve
Do you want FREE drugs? I know you want free insurance. You want ME to pay for YOUR drugs and insurance, right?
I don’t ever see you complaing about NFL, NBA, MLB players making millions or singers/rappers making millions. Maybe all the games should be free?? Maybe we should all get free records/downloads and they shouldn’t get paid for their artistic ability? Maybe we should just get rid of currency all together and go back to being hunters/gatherers?
I have NO problem whatsoever with companies making money. It’s called capitalism. I embrace it. Funny, it’s what made this country great and so many want to cripple it.
steve Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
For starters i have complain about the insane money Owners and players make.
However you love the fact that insurance is going up every year and the drug companies run the show. I have no problem with them making money,but how they are making the money at the expense of my wallet and your purse as well.
You want the same old status quo of a failed system that National Colation on Healthcare that the inflation rate spending of the GNP is 17% and 20% by 2017. The GNP blissful and your sound bites are bites,i don,t care,i only care about the status quo.
steve Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
blissful
Speaking of rock stars and rappers along with pro sports. The common person like me can not afford going to concerts and pro sproting events because of the free market ran up the prices because of greed and lack of insight.
Just like the insureance companies and drug makers. If something is not done about healtcare,majority of America will not have healthcare.
I have no problem with the free market,but you have to have check and balances regarding the market. If you over price your product,people will not buy the product.
All i ever hear from you no national healthcare,but you enjoy the status quo and what would you do to improve the system ? Any answers besides conservative madness ?
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Steve
Why not offer tax BREAKS to doctors/hospitals dollar for dollar for the indigant care they provide?
How about TORT reform?
Wanna know ONE BIG reason why healthcare costs so darn much?? LAWSUITS that are crap against doctors/nurses/hospitals by folks who want to make a ton of money fast and easy. That drives up liability insurance which drives up cost of care.
You think OBAMA, a lawyer, is going to do something about those lawsuits???
Concert ticket prices go up for more than one reason, but one reason is people are willing to pay whatever it takes to see these rockstars.
And you and others continue to lump healthCARE with healthINSURANCE.
Danielle Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Yeah….I think my retired, elderly neighbor would disagree that we have a good health care system. We’re talking about a man who busted his a** in a factory since he was 16 years old, paid his taxes, never took a dime from the government. This is also a man who has to cut his heart medication tablets in half in order to make it last the entire month. That particular medication is highly expensive (and their is no alternative medication for him), so basically he fills a monthly Rx every other month instead of every month….and prays he doesn’t have a heart attack.
But yeah…we have a wonderful system. And unfortunately there are plenty of people in similar situations.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Danielle
Sounds like he is on MEDICARE….run by the SAME government you want controlling YOUR healthcare.
Brilliant.
Danielle Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Bliss –
No, sorry to disappoint you but he is not on Medicare – employer related.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
What heart medication is he on?
Both parents on medicare, have fought many times regarding ambulance transports/hospital stay length/meds/PT/etc etc etc
I have private never had an issue..zero, zilch, nada.
Danielle Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Bliss-
You’ll might want to do some research on France’s health care for cancer patients – far exceeds ours. I won’t repeat myself as I talked about it before, but it’s excellent.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Danielle
One of the most recent studies covered by the BBC this month:
The US, Australia, Canada, France and Japan had the highest five-year survival rates, while Algeria had the worst, Lancet Oncology reported.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
More from the same report:
“Spending on health care was a major factor, the study of 31 countries said.
Researchers said higher spending often meant quicker access to tests and treatment.
The report is the first major study to compare cancer survival across five continents and has highlighted the stark differences in survival between poor and wealthy countries
Dr Lesley Walker, of Cancer Research UK
The research was carried out by more than 100 scientists across the world led by Professor Michel Coleman, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.
It involved analysing data on more than two million cancer patients who were diagnosed and treated during the 1990s.
The study showed the US had the highest five-year survival rates for breast cancer at 83.9% and prostate cancer at 91.9%.
Japan came out best for male colon and rectal cancers, at 63% and 58.2% respectively, while France fared best for women with those cancers at 60.1% and 63.9%.
The UK had 69.7% survival for breast cancer, just above 40% for colon and rectal cancer for both men and women and 51.1% for prostate cancer.
There were also large regional variations within the UK, which were linked to differences in access to care and ability of patients to navigate the local health services. Both are directly linked to deprivation. “
Danielle Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
I don’t know the name of the heart medication, I just know that there would be an alternative that is much more affordable but he can’t take it due to a severe drug interaction with a different medication. Despite several attempts to explain why he needs this particular medication, the private insurance company of his former employer will not cover it. He even went thru the company that makes the drug and he gets very limited help (a few sample packs a year). It’s a sad situation, nobody should have to go thru that – but this is one of the kindest man I’ve ever met.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Danielle
That is an example of an insurance company interferring in the doctor patient relationship. That will be worse if the government is in charge as evidenced by medicare/medicaid/VA, etc.
I can’t argue that INSURANCE reform needs to occur but I don’t want the government taking over healthcare. Period.
steve Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
blissful
No LAWSUITS ? I guess cutting off the wrong leg is ok ? Or giving someone the wrong meds and they die.
Unwarrent lawsuits,yes,but most lawsuits are warrent for lack of care.
Not me for a 100 plus a pop. I paid 50 to see Bob Dylan 2 years ago. 40 and 50 bucks is cheap now days,but 500 bucks and more to see the yankees. To much,the coomon person is doom.
Tort reform,maybe if regulation is allowed.
Danielle Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Bliss -
But I do agree about the obesity rate of the population of this country contributing greatly to the health care problem.
I just read something that 39% of children in this country are considered overweight, 18% of which are considered obese. That is ridiculous; I do believe there can be a genetic component regarding weight – but there is also many parents that feed their children horrible diets.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Steve
hate to tell you this but you are WRONG. MOST medical lawsuits are warrantless and are thrown out, NOT from lack of care. Do some research instead of just speculating.
4 years ago an OB/GYN I knew was paying 200 grand a year in liablity insurance alone for his mid-size practice.
If you want to decrease medication errors, cut the hours nurses have to work from 12 to 8 and mandate staffing levels (nurse to patient raios). Instead of having 6 patients on a floor cut it to 3. Some medication errors are still going to occur as long as humans are the ones dispensing them.
Danielle
YAY on the obesity issue. I don’t think anyone realizes how many people could be taken off their diabetic, heart, cholesterol, “fluid” pills if they would simply lose weight and MOVE
steve Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Danielle
Don,t let Rush Limpo hear you saying that. He claims health nuts are driving up insureance along sport players for getting. I watched the sound bite on Countdown last week.
EricG Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
“Iowa Senator Charles Grassley held a town hall meeting where a constituent asked why he couldn’t get the same plan Grassley has.”
That would be because Grassley is a rich man and the little wimp in the crowd was just a peasant folk and no need for the kings to pay heed to the little ones in the field and tending the halls.
They can go ‘get a job’ and figure it out. They are less than the mighty elite Republicans and almighty masterful conservatives. They are like dirt beneath the feet of these titans of man.
The poor be damned … Chuck Grassley is in the house.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
What is obama ERIC?? What about Biden? FRank? Dodd? Sharpton? Pelosi? The clinton’s?? The kennedy’s? Are they poor folk or rich folk?
Name me a democrat in washington ain’t livin it up
Eric since you seem to think the republicans hold the market on doing well for themselves.
OH geez I am dizzy from that ride on the Eric the bleeding heart liberal spin mobile.
Helipilot Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Eric;
You just don’t know the facts.
The Congress and Senate has a health plan that is beyond belief. There are benefits that would be so expensive to purchase… Where would they get such a system?
We pay for it.
Same for the retirement. It’s not social security.
We pay for that as well.
Eric, Republican and Democrat congressman are playing us for fools.
TDro319 Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Helipilot:
I agree wholeheartedly that Republicans and Democrats are playing us for fools.
That’s why they’re dragging their feet on healthcare reform. They have what I call “I have mine, so f**k you!” syndrome.
blissfulconservative Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
TDRO
You have what I like to call “I want what YOU have, all of it, muwhahahahhaahwahhaha syndrome”
TDro319 Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Actually Blissless, I have my own coverage. I don’t need yours. I’m concerned about the Americans who can’t AFFORD healthcare coverage.
Like I said before, you belong to the “I have mine, so f**k you!” party. And that’s pitiful.
July 5th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Ia.) is a good example why many believe elected politicians should be term limited, even in the U.S. Senate.
Helipilot Reply:
July 5th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Amen, kiddo.
You definately, “get it.”
I’ll vote for you!!
July 5th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
oh how I HATE cell phone video….
July 6th, 2009 at 2:56 am
Bliss, in true Republican form, you leave out MANY details. Here are a few….
“Survival in the USA is high on a global scale but varies quite widely among individual states as well as between blacks and whites within the USA,” he tells WebMD
Here is my favorite…….
In Canada and Australia, survival was also high for most cancers
What type of health care does Canada have? Single payer. What type of health care does Australia have?? Single payer.
You see Bliss, here in Liberaland, we do our research, we don’t agree with everything the leaders of our Party say. WE THINK FOR OURSELVES! And right now, every time I see a Retardpubliecan’t get up and talk about how BAD Gov’t health insurance would be, knowing THEY HAVE IT!, I think WHAT A FREAKIN’ HYPOCRITE!!!
“Retardpubliecant’s tell you Gov’t doesn’t work……then get elected and PROVE it”
July 12th, 2009 at 8:36 am