RIP Edward M. Kennedy 1932-2009
“The work goes on; the cause endures; the hope still lives; and the dream shall never die.”
“This is what we do. We reach the moon. We scale the heights. I know it; I’ve seen it; I’ve lived it. And we can do it again….The torch will be passed again to a new generation of Americans…The work begins anew; the hope rides again; And the dream lives on.”









RIP ol’ buddy.
An icon on the political landscape, he was like an American institution.
He leaves a hole in the senate, a big one.
I wish the family well.
I’d love to see his lifelong dream of UHC fulfilled in my lifetime.
It’s a shame he didn’t get to see it in his.
EricG Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
It’s true. He leaves a pit in the middle of the floor in the Senate. One could only hope that someday (we don’t have ANY example right now) someone can fill that gap with true bipartisanship and noble character.
Those who spend time bashing bipartisanship almost never have studied the history and accomplishments of Teddy Kennedy.
CherylCarroll Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
The tragedy is amplified for the Kennedy family because they just lost his sister Mrs. Kennedy-Shriver.
When he was diagnosed with his brain tumor I commented on Alan’s post about it that Ted Kennedy is like the athlete in Vince Lombardi’s “Number One Speech”. http://www.vincelombardi.com/about/speech.htm
August 26th, 2009 at 11:08 am
R.I.P.
August 26th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
The end of an era of Kennedy brothers. Rest in peace. Rose welcomes you home.
August 26th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I remember the first time that I heard him speak. He was on the news in a rant, a battle with the party that defends the privileged. And this time the battle was about raising the minimum wage. He said; “what is it about you republicans that makes you hate the working class American so…” I was growing up in a working class family at the time. I asked my foster mom what was going on, and she said that that is Sen. Ted Kennedy, that he came from a wealthy family but he takes up the causes of everyday Americans like us. I knew right then and there that I was like him – a liberal!
Sarah Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Cool story, Ginger. Sounds like you had a great foster mom.
classyginger Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Thanks, my mistake on the: “what is it about you republicans that makes you hate the working class American so…” That was from a later speech on the Senate floor.
Celticwitch Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Classyginger, The Repubicans only care about the big corperations, the Democrats care about the working class dogs, they are pro-unions and Republicans are anti-unions. My husband and father they were both involved with their Unions.
You are alright;
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
And this time the battle was about raising the minimum wage. He said; “what is it about you republicans that makes you hate the working class American so…” I was growing up in a working class family at the time. I asked my foster mom what was going on, and she said that that is Sen. Ted Kennedy, that he came from a wealthy family but he takes up the causes of everyday Americans like us. I knew right then and there that I was like him – a liberal!
Except, of course, raising the minimum wage has the very expected result of hurting the class of people it is trying to help; the poor and marginal worker.
Every single time the minimum wage is raised, more people are unemployed. The single best way to reduce unemployment in this country, or any country, would be to eliminate minimum wage laws.
Celticwitch Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
So John, let the Employer pay what they want, is that what you are saying? This is the poverty class. Mostly if you work in retail and as a waiter or waitress. If you work this, you would need about three jobs to make ends meet. They can not live on their own, paying rent, utilities, a car (if afford one) and food. Alot do not believe this, well it is truth. Figure it out, miminum wage, times 52 weeks and see what you get.
I am just looking out for my fellow workers.
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Figure it out, miminum wage, times 52 weeks and see what you get.
The vast majority of minimum wage earners are not family providers. In fact, they live in a home with an average household income of 40k+.
Celticwitch Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
My husband makes close to 60K, truck driver, but I knew some who were married and working in retail, across the street from me they work in a Restaurant, both of them. I do know that they have section eight, but no foodstamps, which I think they should have and they both have to work two jobs. It is tough times John, even for us. You know the old saying, when it rain it pours.
Sarah Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
John Galt: “The vast majority of minimum wage earners are not family providers. In fact, they live in a home with an average household income of 40k+.”
Please provide your source. Because from the reports I’m seeing, teens are having a hard time finding jobs, for all the heads-of-households taking any job they can find.
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Please provide your source.
I did misquote. Average household income is closer to 33k, not the 40k+ I mentioned.
And yes, of course teenagers are having a harder time finding work. As the minimum wage goes up, employers can only afford to hire fewer employees. And that means that they have to hire better, harder working and more experienced workers.
Your point only makes mine. Lower the minimum wage and more people will find work. Right now, when the wage is raised, the most vulnerable members of the work force are without work.
bls.gov/cps/minwage2008.htm
Sarah Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
John Galt: “Your point only makes mine. Lower the minimum wage and more people will find work. Right now, when the wage is raised, the most vulnerable members of the work force are without work.”
Erm, no….You’re USING my (salient, thank you) point to make an additional, unrelated point.
Lower the minimum wage and more people will find work? Excuse me, but weren’t corporations just complaining about having to hire illegal immigrants because there were too many minimum-wage and illegally-paid jobs for the viable American workforce to fill?
Granted, this is before the economy tanked.
You do realize the economy tanked, yes? And that perhaps the dismal economy is mostly to blame for the lack of jobs.
It’s so interesting when conservatives complain about how “it’s all about the economy, stupid,” and then they refuse to keep it going by paying laborers a decent day’s wage.
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Lower the minimum wage and more people will find work? Excuse me, but weren’t corporations just complaining about having to hire illegal immigrants because there were too many minimum-wage and illegally-paid jobs for the viable American workforce to fill?
Wait, I think that what you are saying is that we had more job openings at minimum wage than we had workers willing fill them. [if i miss state, i made a mistake and am sorry]
Again, that’s my point. If we had more jobs at a certain [low price] than we had workers, then companies would have to offer more money to fill those jobs. However, because we have illegal immigrants, these companies are able to find low cost labor.
But that doesn’t change the fact that American’s were finding work at a rate higher than the minimum wage. Which, given any arbitrary dollar number, makes sense.
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
You do realize the economy tanked, yes? And that perhaps the dismal economy is mostly to blame for the lack of jobs.
It’s so interesting when conservatives complain about how “it’s all about the economy, stupid,” and then they refuse to keep it going by paying laborers a decent day’s wage.
Of course I am aware. The reason for the dip was a government caused bubble in some commodity; this time housing.
And in no case does it make sense to pay more for something than it’s worth. You don’t do it when you plan for milk or gas or movie tickets. Why would an employer do it for labor?
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Actually,
Numerous studies have examined recent increases in the minimum wage at both the federal and state level and found that higher wages do not result in job loss. One recent example is Oregon, which increased its minimum wage to $7.50 in 2002. Four years later,”Oregon’s experience suggests the most strident doomsayers were wrong” according to a November 3, 2006, Wall Street Journal article. Indeed, private, nonfarm payrolls have increased there at twice the national rate, industries that employ many minimum-wage workers have experienced considerable job growth, and unemployment has dropped to 5.4 percent from 7.6 percent in 2002.
Although it would be interesting to see what would happen if the sec restored more power to shareholders, and they outsourced ceo jobs to bright young MBAs from India or China who would do the job for 1/4 the amount.
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Indeed, private, nonfarm payrolls have increased there at twice the national rate, industries that employ many minimum-wage workers have experienced considerable job growth, and unemployment has dropped to 5.4 percent from 7.6 percent in 2002.
Oregon currently has one of the highest unemployment values in the country. Rhode Island and Michigan seem to be the only ones higher.
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Actually, that’s an improvement since the stimulus.
‘Oregon drops to No. 3 in national unemployment rate”
All the more reason for tariffs.
As it stands poor management and gaming the system is rewarded, but not hard work.
Again, what you say is true as long as we have this “free market” for employees, but not for employers.
The Wall Street Journal reported last July that “Executives and other highly compensated employees now receive more than one-third of all pay in the US… Highly paid employees received nearly $2.1 trillion of the $6.4 trillion in total US pay in 2007, the latest figures available.”
If there is a “free market” of labor for CEOs, then you’d think there would be a lot of competition for the jobs. And a lot of people competing for the positions would drive down the pay.
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
All the more reason for tariffs.
Lefty, I’m not sure how you went from minimum wage being bad to tariffs being good?
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
The only reason unemployment would go up because of minimum wage ….the ceos go to slave labor over seas.
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
The only reason unemployment would go up because of minimum wage ….the ceos go to slave labor over seas.
This is not true.
The millions of Chinese and Indian people being brought out of abject poverty would also disagree in the concept “slave labor”.
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
The millions of Chinese and Indian people being brought out of abject poverty would also disagree in the concept “slave labor”.
…………..
Not true at all.
India has very STONG labor unions and grew a middle class by protecting their own industries.
The first time I was there, they had kicked Coke out and made their own Thumb’s Up cola.
Or the Indians who now have to pay Monsanto copyright fees for rice the have passed on for generations would disagree.
They also have opted OUT of many trade agreements and believe in tariffs.
Also when I went there first in 83, 200% import duty.
As for China, those who get forced abortions, must live away from family, in small little dorms, or are forced to leave there homes to make room for a corporate headquaters would disagree
OR those who work for US companies in the Mariana Islands who are being paid barely half the U.S. minimum hourly wage and were forced to live behind barbed wire in squalid shacks minus plumbing, work 12 hours a day, often seven days a week, without any of the legal protections.
Only the big muckety mucks make out here.
Is that what we have been reduced to…competing with Communist China for the lowest wages??
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
India has very STONG labor unions and grew a middle class by protecting their own industries.
It is India’s strong unions that make it impossible for corporations to survive. The nations biggest Capitalist has in essence left India for other markets.
As for China, those who get forced abortions,
Forced abortions are caused by the government regulation on the number of children a family can have.
forced to live behind barbed wire in squalid shacks minus plumbing, work 12 hours a day, often seven days a week, without any of the legal protections.
No one is in favor of activities that restrict rights given by the Creator.
karthiks030977 Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
“It is India’s strong unions that make it impossible for corporations to survive. The nations biggest Capitalist has in essence left India for other markets”
John: You’re inaccurate for a change.
Many corporations survive and maintain profitability in India inspite of labor unions.
Keeping workers unhappy being a requirement for profitability is a myth of American Capitalism, and has been disproved in many places in the world,not only India.
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Many corporations survive and maintain profitability in India inspite of labor unions.
Okay, okay….There are corporations that exist. However, many many more corporations would exist, and supply a higher standard of living to it’s citizens, if the regulations imposed were diminished.
Keeping workers unhappy being a requirement for profitability is a myth of American Capitalism, and has been disproved in many places in the world,not only India.
While I would rather lay on the couch than work, I would rather go to my job than be forced to build my own house, grow my own food, make my own clothes etc etc…
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Tata is a HUGE Indian corporation.
So you want NO regulations….you want to go back to the days where arms and legs get chopped off?
Check out Tyler Pipe… OSHA fines were not enough to clean up their act.
What does going to work have to do with anything?
karthiks030977 Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
“While I would rather lay on the couch than work, I would rather go to my job than be forced to build my own house, grow my own food, make my own clothes etc etc…”
Stefan Edberg won Wimbledon in 1987.
(Just trying to tell you your statement had absolutely no correlation with my statement: It is a myth created by American Capitalism is my assertion; Please debate that if you feel I am wrong; I dont see the connection between your statement and mine).
Um Cara Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Tata is a HUGE Indian corporation.
And bodacious tatas are huge something elses.
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Tata is a HUGE Indian corporation.
And it is almost the only one in India. And they are n ext to impossible to deal with. In India, corporate accounting takes into account bribes that have to be paid to various officials and corporations. You are not making a case that a regulated economy is a good one.
So you want NO regulations….you want to go back to the days where arms and legs get chopped off?
I want regulations/rules/laws [whatever you want to call them] that protect peoples liberties. I am for “regulations” that enforce mutually agreed upon contracts. I don’t know how more clear I need to be.
Stefan Edberg won Wimbledon in 1987.
I’ll read more later. I am stealing moments in between watchin the kids.
August 26th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
He was one of the true advocates for the people and not big business. His passing is a great loss to the Amercan people..
August 26th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
I believe he felt strongly about the values and ideals he put forth and advocated, and he was very respected by people on both sides of the aisle.
Regardless of your political affiliation, it is without doubt that he served his country tirelessly for the “lion’s share” of his life (pun intended).
As Joe Biden said, quoting the Bard: “I don’t think we shall ever see his like again.” Well put.
Rest in peace.
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Nice job, Flap.
average james Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Yes indeed.
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
John Galt,
I REALLY don’t know where you get this stuff.
Tata owns Jaguar and Land Rover, and employs over 1 million people world wide.
As for corrupt accounting and bribery….
It’s no different than Halliburton, Parsons Corp, KBR, AIG, Goldman Sachs.
It seems to me that you are making the case for not allowing the regulates to be in charge of the regulators., as we have had over the last 30 years.
One big successful company, Bang and Olufsen is from one of the most regulated countries, Denmark.
August 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
This guide book is similar to most DNR forms used by
many hospitals.
http://ochealthinfo.com/docs/forms/ems_dnr_form.pdf
August 26th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Kennedy was a uber liberal who pushed very bad policy for America, but I can separate that from the saddness of this day for his family. May Ted Kennedy rest in peace.
My prayers go out to his family.
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Well, Daddio, other people believe that rose above the interests of his own economic to promote the interests of ALL Americans.
karthiks030977 Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
“who pushed very bad policy for America”
And you’re an expert on what’s “good for America”, like how?
Um Cara Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Kennedy was a uber liberal who pushed very bad policy for America
That makes no sense, are you saying he pushed conservative policy even though he was a liberal?
karthiks030977 Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Um Cara:
I notice of late we’re saying the exact same thing a fair bit of time(of course,you dont say it as funny as I do, but that’s not a big deal, the core point remains the same).
Could we agree on Bill Ayers also?:-)
Um Cara Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Could we agree on Bill Ayers also?:-)
Ha! As long as you agree with me, sure! ;^)
karthiks030977 Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
You’re in consistent form through the day,Daddido. I’ll give you credit for that.
As idiotic in the evening as you were in the morning.Sounding like an expert, with little or 0 understanding of the issues you talk about. Parroting what you hear elsewhere, rather than do some research and learn.
EricG Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
“Kennedy was a uber liberal who pushed very bad policy for America,”
Kennedy was a great American who fought for this nation when all the others on both parties were willing to leave us all out to dry.
We can disagree on policy, and that’s fine.
But if Bush dies tomorrow you won’t see me on here or any website declaring his policies bad for the nation (which they are and remain to be) because I RESPECT others.
Something lacking from all Republicans and all conservatives these days and try not to be surprised the day we liberals and Democrats get sick of being nice and playing fair with people who spit on the dead and lie to the living…
flap Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
“But if Bush dies tomorrow you won’t see me on here or any website declaring his policies bad for the nation”
How magnanimous of you! But you’ll essentially call him a war criminal, evildoer, and hellspawn while he’s alive and it’s perfectly okay! All while preaching how REPUBLICANS are the namecallers and bad guys.
You spout and inflame as much (or more) than me or anyone on the right does. It’s certainly your right and mudslinging is not always bad but you criticize conservatives for it all the time while doing it yourself, many times in the midst of that criticism. Pot and kettle.
For once I agree with Bill Maher: why is it wrong to criticize the dead?
“we liberals and Democrats get sick of being nice”
Ha ha, that’s a good one. I hear screeds on this website from you and others all the time, tossing invective and names at conservatives. And this is a “mainstream” liberal site!
August 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
The President spoke at 9:57 this morning at Blue Heron Farm in Chilmark, Massachusetts:
THE PRESIDENT: I wanted to say a few words this morning about the passing of an extraordinary leader, Senator Edward Kennedy.
Over the past several years, I’ve had the honor to call Teddy a colleague, a counselor, and a friend. And even though we have known this day was coming for some time now, we awaited it with no small amount of dread.
Since Teddy’s diagnosis last year, we’ve seen the courage with which he battled his illness. And while these months have no doubt been difficult for him, they’ve also let him hear from people in every corner of our nation and from around the world just how much he meant to all of us. His fight has given us the opportunity we were denied when his brothers John and Robert were taken from us: the blessing of time to say thank you — and goodbye.
The outpouring of love, gratitude, and fond memories to which we’ve all borne witness is a testament to the way this singular figure in American history touched so many lives. His ideas and ideals are stamped on scores of laws and reflected in millions of lives — in seniors who know new dignity, in families that know new opportunity, in children who know education’s promise, and in all who can pursue their dream in an America that is more equal and more just — including myself.
The Kennedy name is synonymous with the Democratic Party. And at times, Ted was the target of partisan campaign attacks. But in the United States Senate, I can think of no one who engendered greater respect or affection from members of both sides of the aisle. His seriousness of purpose was perpetually matched by humility, warmth, and good cheer. He could passionately battle others and do so peerlessly on the Senate floor for the causes that he held dear, and yet still maintain warm friendships across party lines.
And that’s one reason he became not only one of the greatest senators of our time, but one of the most accomplished Americans ever to serve our democracy.
His extraordinary life on this earth has come to an end. And the extraordinary good that he did lives on. For his family, he was a guardian. For America, he was the defender of a dream.
I spoke earlier this morning to Senator Kennedy’s beloved wife, Vicki, who was to the end such a wonderful source of encouragement and strength. Our thoughts and prayers are with her, his children Kara, Edward, and Patrick; his stepchildren Curran and Caroline; the entire Kennedy family; decades’ worth of his staff; the people of Massachusetts; and all Americans who, like us, loved Ted Kennedy.
August 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Teddy Kennedy – “This is what we do. We reach the moon. We scale the heights.”
R.I.P.
We have lost part of our nation’s heart this day.
We all morn and remember him as he was, a legend.
Sarah Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
When I’m reading “We reach the moon…We scale the heights…”
I want to chorus with, “And oh what heights we’ll hiiiit! On with the show, this is iiit!”
August 26th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
One big successful company, Bang and Olufsen is from one of the most regulated countries, Denmark.
I think we got messed up on the comment nesting–starting over down here.
Of course A [singular] big giant successful company exists in a regulated economy. Regulations are what creates monopolies. The more free the economy, the more competition will exist. It is impossible to have a monopoly in a free market.
As for corrupt accounting and bribery….
It’s no different than Halliburton, Parsons Corp, KBR, AIG, Goldman Sachs.
I have no doubt “lobbying” exists in America, and I hate it. My point was, however, that in India, you are required to bribe officials, government AND corporate, to get most anything accomplished. THAT is the whole point of a regulated society; to create inefficiencies that allow bribes to exist. Can you imagine having to pay a bribe to the gas station owner to purchase gas? Insane.
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
JOHN GALT,
Let me say, I HATE this nesting thing. I preferred when the most recent comment was the last one.
I think it is entirely the opposite: lack of regulation will result in monopolies, who will gobble up everyone who tries to compete.
Much of what you talk about in India is getting better, and, in this country, right now….we have bribery, the difference is in whether business needs to bribe the government to do business or whether government officials need to bribe business, (in the form of letting them write the legislation in order to get elected)
I can imagine having to pay a bribe to my congressman to get a fire department or a school built but not if I have less for the bribe than the developer.
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Let me say, I HATE this nesting thing. I preferred when the most recent comment was the last one.
I have experienced straight comments on other sites. I too like them better. Some nesting sections allow continued nesting…the columns become no more than 4-5 characters wide.
I think it is entirely the opposite: lack of regulation will result in monopolies, who will gobble up everyone who tries to compete.
Alan posted on Maine’s insurance industry some time ago. Right now it is dominated by one corporation, Wellspring. To the tune of ~97% of all policies. This was not the case before 1993.
In 1993, the State of Maine implemented two very well meaning and noble in thought regulations:
1. No insurance company could deny insurance to a person who had lived in Maine for at least 60 days.
2. Premiums could not vary by health status, gender or length of time with coverage.
These two regulations decimated the competitive landscape. The result is that far far more Mainiacs [heh heh] have insurance and it is much much higher. A direct result of regulation.
Look what happened to AT&T once the government opened up the regulated phone markets. Explosive growth.
John Galt Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
These two regulations decimated the competitive landscape. The result is that far far more Mainiacs [heh heh] have insurance and it is much much higher. A direct result of regulation.
Far FEWER maniacs [still funny] have insurance AND as a bonus, it costs more.
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Re: Maine
All the more reason for a public choice.
AT&T?
Now we have pretty much Verizon as a monopoly and they want TV and internet.
And little by little long distance carriers cut more and more places out of their ’service areas’.
After the telecommunications Act of 96, we have a few ‘families’ who own all radio and TV.
The lists are too long to post what Time Warner or Viacom or Newscorp owns.
Local radio stations have been all bought out by a few HUGE national companies, like Clear Channel….That’s a lot of local ads, musicians, talkers, all gone.
Also:
In January 2002, a train carrying 10,000 gallons of anhydrous ammonia derailed in the town of Minot, causing a spill and a toxic cloud. Authorities attempted to warn the residents of Minot to stay indoors and to avoid the spill. But when the authorities called six of the seven radio stations in Minot to issue the warning, no one answered the phones. As it turned out, Clear Channel owned all six of the stations and none of the station’s personnel were available at the time.
Um Cara Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Of course A [singular] big giant successful company exists in a regulated economy. Regulations are what creates monopolies. The more free the economy, the more competition will exist. It is impossible to have a monopoly in a free market.
B&O is hardly a monopoly, there are several companies that compete with them in the high end audio market.
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
I notice you call then B&O.
I was told by my husband that the name they are called by ‘those in the know’.
He also said that being the luddite that I am, I should not be allowed to ever enter the store under ANY circumstances….it is a holy place.
Um Cara Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
I was told by my husband that the name they are called by ‘those in the know’.
I’ve got one of their turntables and a set of their travel headphones… plus some serious lust for some of their other gear.
He also said that being the luddite that I am, I should not be allowed to ever enter the store under ANY circumstances….it is a holy place.
Heh, well it is *ridiculously* expensive, he’s probably afraid you will find out how much that media player he wants costs ;^)
I have to just stick to the turntable (I inherited) and the travel headphones (was drunk on a BA flight and decided I had to have them, didn’t really take into account that I was looking at the cost in pounds, not euros, and certainly not the almost worthless dollar).
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
” have to just stick to the turntable (I inherited) and the travel headphones (was drunk on a BA flight and decided I had to have them, ”
………………
In my VERY best old lady voice…. ‘Oh, dear.’
I’ll stick to my i pod.
OldLefty Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Good Night everyone.
August 26th, 2009 at 8:19 pm