OMG! Obama Is Going To Talk To Our Kids!
Conservatives are going nuts with fear that Obama is going to indoctrinate young children when he speaks next week about the importance of education and staying in school. Family Research Council President Tony Perkins falsely claims that Obama has done nothing on education. Michelle Malkin alarms with, “the left has always used kids in public schools as guinea pigs and as junior lobbyists for their social liberal agenda.” And my beloved sister-in-law, Monica Crowley, said last night on O’Reilly’s show (guest-hosted by Laura Ingraham) that “just when you think this administration can’t get any more surreal and Orwellian, here they come to indoctrinate our kids”, adding, “This is what Chairman Mao did, Laura. This is like Max Headroom, this is going into every single classroom. There is no escape from him.”
Ingraham introduces the topic by saying that Obama is “going to do something that no other president has done. He is going to be speaking directly to school children in classrooms across the United States…”
You mean indoctrinate the kids like…
Insisting on the teaching of Intelligent Design?
Or passing out Bibles during class?
Or insisting on Christian prayer during school-sponsored events and operations?
Like, THAT kind of indoctrination?
placefield Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
How dare they actually teach science in school. They should be ashamed of themselves. What is this country coming to?
Sarah Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Exactly, Placefield. Meanwhile, why is Laura Ingraham wearing such a big gold cross? Is she trying to indocrintate us? I mean, she can’t SEE it since it’s around her neck…Is she trying to tell us HER way of worshipping is better?
placefield Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:11 pm
You know there is a culture war going on in this country. Maybe I should come up with an insignia for the spiritually confused and undecided like myself.
Celticwitch Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
BTW how dare Obama telling our children to study hard, get a great education, go into college get a better education and save the world… HOW DARE OBAMA FOR CARING FOR THE NEXT GENERATION.
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
This is disgusting and stupid.
Crowley and Ingram are a disgrace to intelligent people everywhere.
These Neo-Cons would attack him for scratching his nose or would turn anything he does in public into a chance to spread propaganda.
If they were not making big bucks off the people who actually believe this boot-licking nonsense then I would have even more harsh language for the likes of them. But they lie for a living. Like saleswomen for hate-propaganda and racialist attitudes.
Daddio Reply:
September 5th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I don’t think Alan would take to kindly you calling Monica Crowley a disgrace Eric. After all he is married to her sister.
You owe Monica an apology.
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:55 pm
(passive aggressive)Guido -
Could you give me clearance to comment on this topic? I know I shouldn’t have an opinion, but shucks, I can’t help it.(/passive aggressive)
Surely other presidents have spoken to the children in the past? Is this really a first time thing like the Wicked Witch of the West says in this video?
Sarah Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:04 pm
George Bush read “The Pet Goat” to kids during the 9/11 attacks.
Osama bin Laden made reference to the story in a videotaped speech released just prior to the 2004 U.S. presidential election, claiming that Bush’s reading of the book had given the hijackers more than enough time to carry out the attacks.
At least, that’s what the Al Jazeera transcript says.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
If you really have the need to comment…I suppose I can write you a waiver, but I have to pass it by the parenting committee first, you’ll have my response in 4-6 weeks.
John Galt Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Surely other presidents have spoken to the children in the past? Is this really a first time thing like the Wicked Witch of the West says in this video?
Yes, I think that other Presidents have spoken to children in the past. Though I think this is the first conversation that is being requested to be heard by all kids in school. Even with that, I think that I am okay with Obama speaking to the kids and will give him the benefit of the doubt as to his topics.
What has me sideways is the accompanied suggested homework.
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Eric, “Crowley and Ingram are a disgrace to intelligent people everywhere.”
Eric, I thought you once said that Alan was your buddy. no?
If so how can you talk about one of his family members like that?
Monica Crowly is Alan’s sister inlaw, yeah. Alan married her sister Jocelyn Crowley, which she still uses by the way. Bad Eric
placefield Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Could make for some interesting holidays.
EricG Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
“Eric, I thought you once said that Alan was your buddy. no? If so how can you talk about one of his family members like that?”
Last time I checked this is America. I am allowed to have any opinion I want of Monica Crowley.
Like all these media hacks I’d love to talk them away from people like you who they make their paychecks off of. I need to know if it’s a big dog-and-pony show for the liberal haters like yourself or if they really think that horse-crud they spew is real.
“Monica Crowly is Alan’s sister inlaw, yeah. Alan married her sister Jocelyn Crowley, which she still uses by the way. Bad Eric”
Yea, I already knew that JFA.
Did you know that Alan’s wife and her sister don’t agree on anything? Or at least so says Alan.
Do you think that a person cannot comment on another just because their is some connection in some way to someone who might call a friend? I don’t.
I welcome it. From my friends and from strangers.
I am interested in your honest feelings and thoughts.
And those are my personal and honest feelings about Monica Crowley.
Oh yea, I left one thing out:
She should have her PhD removed from her hands. Oh yes! She does not deserve that document .. anyone who can have such a strong aversion to facts should not be able to present themselves as highly credible.
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I wonder, JFA, would you tell someone what you really think of them and what they said? Or would you withhold your opinion from everyone because there might be someone someone that might be offended?
I’m curious.
JFA Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Eric: “She should have her PhD removed from her hands. Oh yes! She does not deserve that document .. anyone who can have such a strong aversion to facts should not be able to present themselves as highly credible.”
Eric a question. What facts did Dr. Monic Crowley show a strong aversion to?
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EricG Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
“What facts did Dr. Monic Crowley show a strong aversion to?”
Easy question. Try harder if your trying to stump me.
The ‘fact’ that Obama was going to indoctrinate kids in this broadcast. That’s horse-crud and she knows it.
If people are going to get educated and then go on TV where all us ‘normal folks’ can see they better at least try to stick to the facts. And when they don’t they should be called out for lying and being less an American.
The reason why people like yourself freak out when I speak my mind is because you are so adapted to hearing BS from people like Crowley that when someone stands up to call it BS and call that person a partisan pundit with nothing but propaganda to spread that sounds so ‘radical’ you can’t stand it. But it’s the truth.
I’m not here to forever defend the Dems but you bet I’ll defend the truth and there is one group in this society and in this media that have a problem with the facts: The Conservatives.
Nobody should get away with lying about the President of The United States and that’s exactly what Crowley did and what all these jokers on FOX News do all day.
They are a disgrace of a network and even the tiniest bit of honesty from them would change my view of the network forever.
what can I say? Lying sells more ads than telling the truth. especially when your touting the party line of a conquered political party full of people looking to blame someone else for their mutual failures as a movement.
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Oh, did I tear it apart too much? Do you need the “kiddie version” so you don’t see how full of it these people you worship are?
Daddio Reply:
September 5th, 2009 at 11:14 am
You can disagree with anyone Eric, but you always are very dis-agreeable and many times down right nasty to them. And you give some pretty lame excuse why treat them that way. None, by the way, passes the smell test.
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
the Republicans are doing just what they are being paid for , smear the President with consistant lies for very slow minded people:
these Boot-Lickers are just doing what the Banks and Insurance companies are paying for :
“If they don’t agree with you-confuse-them”
this is an old tatic from the days of JFK AND ITS A prelude to murder:
libpatriot Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Yes, Dennis, I’m afraid that’s the truth of the matter.
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Well, the carnival barkers are really making a stretch this time. And it just amazes me that relatively intelligent, well-educated people could actually go on TV and say things this asinine without any regard for the effect of their words on the population at large.
But it’s all about audience share and profits and next year’s contract and to hell with America and the long-term survival of the human race.
Really a pathetic bunch of greedy self-absorbed people.
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Is there a video of the entire debate? Too scared to watch Fox news.. it makes your brain melt into goo like an acid junkie swallowing an entire vial as the cops chase him down. Then tells them ‘WHAT EVIDENCE? HAHAHAHA’
Um Cara Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Praise “Bob”!
EricG Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
LOL!
That’s the impression I get these days as well of FOX News.
It’s like they drank so much Kool-Aide they might just start throwing up the stuff on camera.
Just red vomit everywhere…
Covering the studios, making it impossible to find the facts…
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
The one thing i’ve got a problem with is having the kids write about how they can help Obama out. Ok, he doesn’t need any help from 3rd graders unless its to push his agenda.
Look over here something shinny (forcing kids to listen to him), now quick pass that healthcare bill with nobody is watching.
EricG Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
You are so paranoid it’s just not even funny in any way.
“he doesn’t need any help from 3rd graders unless its to push his agenda. ”
We could all use some help from third graders. Kids can teach you more than some stuffy guy in a suit broadcasting hate and partisanship on your TV.
What agenda? Keeping American interests strong and keeping the nation safe? That agenda? On that one they should help him, if they can. We all should.
“Look over here something shinny (forcing kids to listen to him), now quick pass that healthcare bill with nobody is watching.”
Health Care Reform is a good thing.
I am sick of going over this.
We have a expensive and ineffective system.
Only people who hate facts waste our time by talking about “our great system”.
reform must happen and those who stand against it (in majority) are misinformed or so filled with hate they can’t listen to anything but anti-reformist baloney.
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
ummm…this is a great idea from Obama…kids, listen to the president here.
note*** no sarcasm should be construed from this statement.
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Personally I respect Obama for his accomplishments, certainly they pale my own by far. I respect the office he holds and feel given his background, he can be a motivating force for our young people. To further instill the virtues of hard work, self responsibility, staying in school and a college educate should be the duty of every president. However, after reading the proposed lesson plans associated with next week’s broadcast, which amount to enforced hero worship, I am left once again to question Obama’s motivation.
Daddio Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:23 pm
If and only if Obama talks about the importance of staying in school and studying and working hard to achieve you dreams, There should be no assignments praising Obama and what can I do for Obama.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:28 pm
I haven’t heard anything about Obama worship assignments…but it sounds suspect to me…if it’s true, that’s crazy and should be ridiculed by everyone.
Daddio Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:31 pm
You can find that on the White House web site.
placefield Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Daddio,
I just looked up the suggested assignments in regards to this speech on the White House web site and found no reference to any assignments praising Obama. Please let me know what I specifically missed.
Daddio Reply:
September 5th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I didn’t look it up Placefield. I just passed the info to Guido. I didn’t interpret anything. I just said I don’t have a problem with Obama speaking to our school children, but he must keep politics completely out of anything he says. All he should suggest to those young impressionable minds is to work hard, study, and stay in school. Comments along that line.
“I don’t think it was his interpretation though.”–Placefield…4 Sep 2:19 p.m.
Thank you for your kind words Placefield. I appreciate your incite.
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/prek-6.pdf
You decide.
Twisted interpretation,Daddido. Are you a gymnast? Or just a parrot?
placefield Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
That is what I was thinking. I am not enough of a mental contortionist to get Daddio’s interpretation. I don’t think it is his interpretation though.
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Karth this is poisoning those impressionable minds. These little ones are going to walk around like Obamazombies.
Seriously, I skimmed over it and what is being ask is nothing more I would ask anyone.
Come on, tell me this is what they are scared of? Trying to make a better place.
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Not the first time I find myself seeing mental gymnastics from a GOP supporter; Dont fault you for seeing the same thing, I think he is doing mental gymnastics, its not just our perception.
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
“Seriously, I skimmed over it and what is being ask is nothing more I would ask anyone.”
It comes across to me as a “Sales document” for a political career: i.e trying to sell to(inspire) kids , politics as a career option;If not, atleast awareness of what their rights are,with regard to what to expect from elected representatives.
From that to the interpretations from Daddido, the Florida GOP requires twisting the right leg aroung the neck,and catching it with left arm around your right shoulder…something like that.
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
No not really Karth, children at any age is not into politics. They are sports minded, into Harry Potter or just doing their own thing, that is what I get. Remember Karth, I worked for Toys R Us and what kids want is not a career in Politics, Some would make fine burglars.
so I will have to read it in its entirety at a later time.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
seems like a pretty tame assignment to me…the only thing I could really stretch into anything sinister was the “why should we listen to the President, elected officials etc…” but the end result is a decent civics lesson.
placefield Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
It would take a pretty big stretch, as it doesn’t say this President or Democrat elected officials but includes all of them regardless of party.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
right…it’s a pretty big stretch.
EricG Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
“However, after reading the proposed lesson plans associated with next week’s broadcast, which amount to enforced hero worship, I am left once again to question Obama’s motivation.”
I really think you have ‘jumped the shark’ on this, Bernie.
This is not some kind of enforced hero worship and this whole idea that the president has ill begotten motives is founded in the crux of the AM dial and the cable news tragedy that is FOX News. These people lie about the president daily and it’s a testament to American Values that we don’t cancel their whole network for the crimes against the public they commit everyday.
This is benign. To the extreme.
If any one of these children feel ‘connected’ to Obama and go home they will talk about with their parents. And their parents will then ‘indoctrinate’ their own child any which way they want.
I track this down to conservatives are scared of the truth about Obama getting out.
If people realize that he is not a Marxist, socialist or a infanticide-ist then that would mean that Bill O’Reilly lied. And if O’Reilly is a liar then the world is upside-down.
Well, it is upside down if your nodding along to Limbaugh or whatever hack you prefer … Hannity, Beck, Ingram, Savage, etc.
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:18 pm
I can not believe how far off the cliff the Right Wingnuts have fallen. From birther’s to deathers, to gun toters at Town Halls. To all the Hitler, Socialist, Marxist, Terrorist references. Add this latest one to the pile of their paranoia and fears. It greatly concerns me for when fear is at play among the unstable it becomes very dangerous.
What is truly sad is what is the TRUE driving motivation behind ALL this crap. It’s truly all about racism. These folks just can’t accept that a black man has become President. Foolishly I thought we had evolved beyond such backward thinking. I guess not.
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Colmes in the middle, with Laura and Monica on either side.
It’s a sandwich!!!
Ever red-blooded American man is drooling over Colmes’ good fortune.
I’m sorry, what was the topic?
EricG Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
The topic was that the right wing continues to lie every time the topic involves Obama.
And that nobody in America except maybe Alan Colmes has the honesty in their heart and the love of their country to call these unpatriotic hacks on their nonsense.
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm
I always wonder what’s behind the display of religious jewelry by the on-air TV people. You know, Laura’s cross thing. It sends a message to us all.
I didn’t realize what kind of a message it was sending until I saw photos of the Spitzer madam wearing the same thing.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03222009/news/regionalnews/spitzer_madams_a_hit_with_a_rod_160789.htm
sky Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:15 pm
hahahaha!
anonymouse Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 pm
The only real difference is the cross that Kristin Davis wears around her neck is always shaded, if you know what I mean.
jazmine Reply:
September 5th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Noh, I don’t know what you mean?
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Funny video.
Those 2 ladies, they didnt come close to realizing that they,their employer do EXACTLY what they’re accusing Obama of doing: Indoctrinating other people with their beliefs.
Celticwitch Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
They scare the bee-gee-bees out of me. They are very evil and they need to be deprogramed. Anyone up for the job?
JFA Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Celti, to you also. Why are they evil and need to be Deprogramed? And , and what should they be programed to think? :)
Celticwitch Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:22 pm
They are to rightwing for me. When I was younger I thought everyone in Journalism should be biased. I thought wrong. I would like the truth from all journalist, not one having some sort of doom and gloom. I like to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Eventually we will see it, hearing Laura Ingram saying that Obama is going to make our youngsters all Eco-friendly. Come on, when you were a youngster, didn’t your mother say throw away that ice cream wrapper? When you are out and about do you throw away your garbage or throw it on the ground?
I am an asthmatic JFA, I can always tell when the air is too thick, I have trouble breathing.
JFA Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Celti, two of my children are also asthmatic, I know where you are coming from on that. Not a good thing.
Celti you wrote, “They are to rightwing for me. When I was younger I thought everyone in Journalism should be biased.”
Celti, I think I now understand where you are coming from. But I don’t know what bias you prefer. Or maybe I do.
Celti, no I do not throw my ice cream wrapper on the ground. That’s what the “divrsified” population of Detroit do. Not me.
Celticwitch Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:48 pm
JFA, the truth, not right or left! That is why everyone is so scared, one says one thing the other says another. Remember Rodney King when he said, “Can’t we all get along?”
I will sympathize with your children, alot of people laugh when I say I can be hospitalized and I was, my oxygen level was below 70. That is scary trying to gasp for air.
sky Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 pm
not to break in here, but having an asthmatic child as well, I really wouldn’t mind the world being more eco-friendly… the pollution of our planet is causing more and more kids to be asthmatic every year.
JFA Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Celti, I do know about late night trips to the hospital because your child can’t breath well. It is very, very scary.
Sky, I can’t think of anybody that is not eco-friendly. I just can’t imagine anybody that would try to damage the ecosystem on purpose.
JFA Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:50 pm
But Celti. It was you that wrote “biased”. Maybe I am wrong, but did you mean “unbiased”
I will check for your reply later.
Tanks. JFA
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Morning, Yes JFA it’s unbiased, sorry. I mistyped.
I really would love to know in over the years, how many people were dianosed with Asthma? I do know that the CDC does get reports when someone is diagnosed with this disease. It can affect the young as well as the old. I was dianosed with Asthma in the 90’s.
EricG Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
CW – “They are very evil and they need to be deprogramed. Anyone up for the job?”
Already doing that…
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
“Already doing that…”
Dont forget to appoint someone to undo the damage done by you,Eric.
(WOW, Obama is creating jobs from nowhere)
JFA Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Kart, how so please explain it to me. Thank you. JFA
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:09 pm
The conservative viewpoint can NOT be wrong is the view projected by them, and Fox News.
I dont buy that:Nobody can be right all the time, not even God.
Further, it shows a lack of honesty in the debate: There’s no debate if you wont come to the table with the assumption your viewpoint could not be wrong.
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:10 pm
And yes, presenting that picture(that the conservative viewpoint can NOT be wrong) is indoctrination.
JFA Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Kart. Oh, I guess I never heard that a conservative can’t be wrong. Where do you get this opinion?
Thank you. JFA
JFA Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Kart you wrote, “I dont buy that:Nobody can be right all the time, not even God.”
Please, if you will, explain this one also.
Tanks. JFA
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
“Oh, I guess I never heard that a conservative can’t be wrong. Where do you get this opinion?”
Tell me where a conservative admitted he or she was wrong on a topic where he/she discussed or opined in a public forum.
Sanford’s confession of guilt is not an admission of being wrong. An example of being wrong would be, for example, to admit that the decision to invade Iraq was wrong(am not trying to argue the decision to invade Iraq was wrong, here; Just point me to any 1 such admission).
I have followed the discourse for a few years, and I have seen them wrong many times; not admit it even once.
EricG Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
JFA – “I guess I never heard that a conservative can’t be wrong. Where do you get this opinion?”
It’s simple, JFA.
Have you ever a retraction on FOX NEWS?
Or have you ever heard Hannity or O’Reilly say these key words:
“Now this is just my opinion and I could be wrong.”
-OR-
“This is my partisan perspective on Obama / Democrats.”
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People laugh at this idea but you’ll see that I and many others who are political animals will do exactly this and the failure to do so is a piece of evidence that you are a liar, a hack and a poor American.
I’ve said it a million times if Hannity, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Ingram would just admit that they use hyperbole and stretch the truth to make their side look better and the other look worse then I would respect them even without them changing into lefty-lefts.
I don’t care about your political persuasion as much as care about honesty and these people have been lying about exactly this since they started broadcasting that clap-trap.
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
“Now this is just my opinion and I could be wrong”
I dont need the rest of what you asked,Eric: This alone will do.
And yes, I dont ever hear that from Conservative politicians and commentators.
I have heard that from a fair few conservatives I’ve met here, so I wont make that a sweeping generalization on conservatives as a group. Its their “representatives” who dont approach the debate with honesty.
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
“I have heard that from a fair few conservatives I’ve met here”
Just to clarify,I have also NOT heard it from a fair few conservatives I’ve met here; Some are open-minded,honest; Some arent. The loud ones usually are not honest, because they usually are just repeating what the Fox-Rush-Sean-Glenn chatter says.
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:37 pm
“Nobody can be right all the time, not even God.”
God makes mistakes,too. What’s to explain in it? Do you need an example?You see them everyday in life.Look around.
JFA Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 11:34 pm
No, really I don’t see them everyday, I guess I do need an example. I guess we live in different neighborhoods. Being that you have followed the discourse for a few years as you wrote, please give me the benefit of your knowledge and just tell me all of the times God was wrong. Tanks. JFA :)
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 7:32 am
Well,lets start with some simple things.
Warmup questions:
The panda can eat only cane; Further, it doesnt have the ability to digest its food completely, so it has to eat all day to survive. Why did God make Pandas the way God did?
Dogs love the taste of chocolate; Chocolate is poisonous for dogs. Why did god make dogs that way?
Why did he create the Dodo so “unintelligent” it had no chance of surviving?
(The warmup round can get extended with similar apparent basic design errors, but hopefully these give you the idea).
Now, for the big one: The 64000$ question, as Bill would say.
IF he created us to be the shepherd of the animals, we’ve shown ourselves to be very poor shepherds; We have the ability to “take care” of 1 or 2 animals at a time, but we’re obviously piss-poor at being a shepherd for the animal kingdom. So, couldnt he have designed a better shepherd, IF he wanted US to be the shepherd of the animal kingdom?
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Morning Karth, I dunno, is this all a trick questions? I quess Andy Panda love the taste of Bambos?
Dogs do love the taste of chocolate, and I do know that Blueberries are also poisonous to dogs. My one cat loves juices, such as Cranberry juice. One of my cats loves Watermellon and crackers.
One cat of mine loved pastries and another loved bananas.
I have three cats, a dove and a rat, no dog though. Did have one of them a year ago, but she died.
For your last question which can be a tad bit tricky. Are you talking about the Animal kingdom or the people kingdom? Taking care of all the people in the world? Giving help to others when the US can’t take care of its own? It is just a thought. Helping others get democracy when we cannot fix our own?
As for animals, they can survive whether we take care of them or not. They are more resourcful than humans.
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 7:51 am
GM CW.
The topic was “God makes mistakes”: I claimed that, JFA asked me for examples.
Re Pandas :they have to eat all the time,because of their inability to fully digest the only thing they can eat; Surely, if I designed my computer programs this way,I would be called an inefficient programmer.
The last question: I was on the animal kingdom, and it relates to the Genesis story; It is religion specific, but I can point you to pretty much any religious belief system, and the only way it can be consistent is if the belief system has the assumption “God also makes mistakes”.
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 8:00 am
and I was taught in Sunday School that God is perfect, no wonder I am a Pagan. Hell Karthi think I made some sense in my comment also, we help the world, but never could help us in the US.
Biblical: I remember one, God helps those who help themself. I guess anyone can take it one way or another. As for Shepherds taking care of their flock. Karth that actually can be taken two ways, Man will watch over all of Gods creatures and Man will watch over their Congregation. However anyone takes it, I believe it is both right. Minister, Priest, Rabbi’s all watch over their people, as for the Shepherd watching over their flocks, well wouldn’t there be more than one to watch over God’s Creatures?
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 8:04 am
“well wouldn’t there be more than one to watch over God’s Creatures?”
CW: What’s the point in having an incompetent watchman watching over God’s creatures?(That was my question).
“and I was taught in Sunday School that God is perfect, no wonder I am a Pagan”
Well, I need to know the belief system to be able to make an argument “God is not perfect” within your system. You know it best, tell me, other than what you were taught at Sunday school, what does your belief system reflect, about God’s actions, do they come across as perfect to you?
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Well Man was suppose to be made in God’s image, so man is not PERFECT, so I would guess God is not perfect. Some religions teach to fear God, My Husband is a Catholic, he went to a Parochial School up until Ninth Grade. He was taught that if you don’t listen you will be strike down. I was a Lutheran, we were taught if you make mistakes you learn from your mistakes. Well we are humans and humans are very imperfect. We constantly are making many mistakes.
All of the Biblical characters, you will see from Adam all way down and into the New Testament, there were always sons watching over their flocks. I am baffled also about why we have to have many people watching over God’s creatures. Like I also said, All animals have that survival instinct. They actually can survive without man.
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 8:47 am
“Well Man was suppose to be made in God’s image”
Is that the Pagan belief system? I was asking about the Pagan belief system’s conception of God(in the context of the discussion topic of course, my contention that “God makes mistakes”).
“so man is not PERFECT, so I would guess God is not perfect”
IF man was created in God’s image, then yes, that’s proof that God isnt perfect, and God (ought to) make mistakes too,logically.
By the way,I dont follow the above belief system, so I dont quite agree with the man being created “in god’s image” part. But that’s my individual belief system, is not relevant for the topic discussed.
” All animals have that survival instinct.They actually can survive without man.”
That I agree with. However, regardless of whether God intended man to be their shepherd or not, you eventually run into the imperfect design of God.
I was just addressing one belief system at the time I posed the “64000$ question”.
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 9:01 am
I apologize to you Karth, I misunderstood you. As for a god, in the Pagan belief, there are many gods and goddesses. Each God or Goddess will represent a sabbats. Bridget is first with her day, February 2. She represents fertility, up until Yule the death of the Mother Goddess who will give birth to the God. The Green Man, he takes over, to reknew life on the Earth. In the Pagan beliefs, the gods and goddesses were perfect, the same as man and woman.
Karth you are a Hindu and I do respect your belief, the same as you repect mine. Shiva is part of the Hindu belief or not. Budha, Catholics, Protestants, Judism and Islam all have their beliefs Karth. I had seen a Hindu wedding, very beautiful Karth, did not understand it, but the symbolism is beautiful.
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Correction Karth, the gods and goddess were not perfect.
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Karth I have a website to explain my beliefs, I belief that you would really be interested in.
http://www.spiralgoddess.com/Pagan101.html -
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 9:26 am
I read the stuff on the website cursoirly,CW. Was interesting. Will read more later,have a trip to make now.
Take care,have a nice day.
See ya around, AJ, RDM and all.
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Have a great and safe trip. Talk to you later.
Hope for Change Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Don’t forget about God making those sinful homosexuals! Bad mistake there God!
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
“Don’t forget about God making those sinful homosexuals! Bad mistake there God”
Nah, that wasnt a mistake. People being what they are isnt a mistake. The mistake was in giving human beings a code of conduct they were too dumb to interpret the way God (IMHO) meant it.
September 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 pm
they can’t even hide their hate and fear of Blacks anymore. Even Blacks who are half white. They are trying to provoke someone to do something to our President. Treasonous and Demonic
September 4th, 2009 at 4:20 am
And my beloved sister-in-law, Monica Crowley, said last night on O’Reilly’s show (guest-hosted by Laura Ingraham) that “just when you think this administration can’t get any more surreal and Orwellian, here they come to indoctrinate our kids. ~ Alan.
Alan,
How do you deal with your sister-in-law when she just out and out plain lies about the topic? The young children, especially the young black children – what a wonderful role model our President is for these kids.
alex Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
I love it when they call obama’s administration “Orwellian” when it was the republicans that instituted the patriot acts.
average james Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
It is really astounding isn’t it Alex ?
They could actually change the name Republican party, to Orwellian party and it would be rather fitting, in my opinion.
Remember one of the tricks is accusing others of what you yourself are guilty of.
Offense, stay on the offense at all costs.
They are truly awful.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
they are both orwellian…admit it and move on.
September 4th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Detroit schools aren’t airing it? Get this:
“Districts throughout the suburbs have been hit with complaints from parents who are worried about their children hearing a message from Obama that they won’t have a chance to preview.”
You’ve GOT to be joking. This parental attitude can’t get any more creepy.
TDro319 Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
And this coming from Detroit? This is insane! We’ve never had this kind of thing happen with any other president. What is wrong with these parents?? Where was the outrage when Bush was reading “My Pet Goat” (or in his case, looking at the pictures) while we were under attack? Is this what we have become? A nation of whiners about stupid stuff like the teabaggers, birthers, deathers? Where does it end?
average james Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Actually,
I remember this sort of thing during the Clinton presidency.
Refusing to participate in ethics discussions and refusing sex ed., boycotting the library, that sort of thing.
I’d have to dig deeper for specifics, but I remember some hullaballoo around schools.
My kids were in school in the nineties.
Anything and everything is evil around Democrat presidents. It’s in the Republican playbook.
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
AJ, the Republicans feels they are the only ones WHO can run this country. Well the next Republican President, maybe we should use their tactics. OH wait, we are honest people.
September 4th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Since when did GOP parents keep their children home from school, for fear that they’ll be “indoctrinated” with a sense of responsibility, goals and persistence?!
“Teachers might conduct a “listening with purpose” exercise based on the following ideas: personal responsibility, goals, and persistence. Teachers might ask pairs of students to create a word bank at the top of a notes page that has been divided into two columns. On the right‐hand side, students could take notes (trying to capture direct quotations or main ideas) while President Obama talks about personal responsibility, goals, or persistence. At the end of the speech, students could write the corresponding terms from the word bank in the left‐hand column, to increase retention and deepen their understanding of an important aspect of the speech.”
September 4th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
When I was younger, I remember a police officer coming in my class and talking about not taking things from strangers. This was in the early 60’s, now where is this any different than what many Important people have said through out the decades.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
WTF? Is english your second language?
September 4th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
I don’t really get the point.
placefield Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Great, now it looks like the post I was responding to is no longer here so I just have this comment hanging out with no context.
libpatriot Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Placefield, was it a post in response to Kregg, by chance?
September 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
A little slow tonight? I guess being the Labor Day Weekend in all.
libpatriot Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Hiya, Celticwitch, I’m still around for a bit. I don’t go anywhere most holiday weekends. I prefer to travel at times when most of the country ISN’T clogging the highways (safer that way) and airways (less delays). So how are you, tonight? And how is your son, if you don’t mind me asking, that is?
Celticwitch Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
I don’t travel much, nothing like I done when I was younger. My son is doing alright, still not out of the woods, and I don’t mind at you asking. Like any head trauma it takes time to heal. My husband and daughter are watching horror movies. They love to get scared. Me I get scared by the Republican Party :)
libpatriot Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Very glad to hear he’s doing better, CW, and you’re right, it’s going to take some time. My best wishes to him and all your family there!
“My husband and daughter are watching horror movies. They love to get scared.”
I don’t, and usually these movies are a waste of time for me, because I can never forget that they are just movies. I DO remember ten years ago how thinking about the final scene of The Blair Witch Project made my arms get goosepimples all the next day! But I like things like romance, comedy, adventure, fantasy, history, science, science fiction, stuff like that. Even some religious movies like The Ten Commandments and Quo Vadis, though I’m hardly a Bible-thumper or anything; just enjoy good drama.
“Me I get scared by the Republican Party :)”
THAT I understand…:-)
September 4th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
You all have a good night, g’night.
libpatriot Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Good night, Celticwitch, and may you have fun dreams of unicorns.
September 4th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Alan…
…and Monica Crowley is your SISTER IN LAW??!!! Family dinners and holidays must be reeeeeeeealy interesting!!
September 5th, 2009 at 3:15 am