Hate Tweets
I have often posted my hate mail, but this has been a weekend full of hate Tweets. There were objections to my use of the term “teabaggers” to describe Saturday’s protesters. There is no awareness, it seems, of how they may have brought this upon themselves, choosing a symbol that could easily be conflated with a distasteful sexual term. It also doesn’t seem to occur to them that there are such things as synonyms. Some words have more than one meaning, totally separate and apart from each other. They infer what I don’t imply. Most amusing is the name-calling from those who accuse me of name-calling. And then there are the conservatives for whom I used to be their favorite pet liberal until this one egregious offense, after which I am now pond scum; to which I say your love for me couldn’t have been to solid to begin with.
Herewith, Some of the Hate Tweets:
KCHunt@AlanColmes I was a fan of both you and Hannity. But now that u have reduced urself 2 calling us names. U R just a sad little man now. 2 bad
aquamarine324Dear @AlanColmes – keep up the whining and crying you douchebag loser – it’s delicious to watch you self destruct
therightscoop@alancolmes you must know alot about teabagging to throw it around like you do. Just when I try and respect you, YOU BLOW IT.
jbtalker@Live_Liberty @alancolmes Anyone stupid enough to leave the Hannity show cant be very bright. Hope he is unemployed soon.
tahDeetz@AlanColmes just dont get mad when we call #Obama a Marxist; & support it w/fax
jbtalker@AlanColmes How’d you like those 2 million teabags delivered to your little community organizer president? How dumb do you feel Alan?
BlogArizona@AlanColmes have u met ‘teabaggers’ that r bad people, or do u dislike them bcuz Pelosi told u to?
waddatwit@alancolmes Staying focused on the name will continue to make you sound as dumb as you look.
CocoKonski@AlanColmes may the dems should have change there symbol from a jackass to maybe ugh actually no that’s perfect ….
allahpundit daddytype Fox News food fight: @andylevy vs. @AlanColmes over “teabaggers” // Self-hating Jew vs Andy Levy
NYNewsJunkie@alancolmes is a damn ghoul, just an observation, no matter how great his sis in law is, he’s a fucking creep.
ScnPalin@AlanColmes If you didn’t have so much hatred for America, maybe America would be nicer to you. Liberals know of the Golden Rule right?
levihenry@AlanColmes People hate your guts, dude. Must suck to not be trusted by your own (that is, if you’re not really a spy?).
“just dont get mad when we call #Obama a Marxist; & support it w/fax.”
Support it w/fax. LoL. Hilarious.
Some months ago I start calling these people mental defectives just to be mean. Now, though, I’m serious. I think they really do have mental defects.
September 13th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
I had always found you tolerable during you “Hannity & Colmes” days, even though our ideologies could not be more opposite. That you typically seemed, well, over-matched in your dealings with Hannity made you kind of endearing. And when you decided to go your own separate way, I thought to myself, ‘well, good luck well-meaning but (by definition) confused liberal person.’ But when you decide to join the chorus of narrow-minded bigots who decide to label millions of your fellow Americans including myself and members of my family by a vile and inflammatory epithet, I must tell you how disappointed I am. Why is it wrong that the people in this country who are expected to PAY for all this government largesse finally decide that they are tired of being ignored (except at tax time, of course)?
Um Cara Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
But when you decide to join the chorus of narrow-minded bigots who decide to label millions of your fellow Americans including myself and members of my family by a vile and inflammatory epithet
In Alan’s defense, he probably didn’t even know you were a teabagger, or that you would be upset by his discussion of teabagging activities.
EricG Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
“But when you decide to join the chorus of narrow-minded bigots who decide to label millions of your fellow Americans including myself and members of my family by a vile and inflammatory epithet, I must tell you how disappointed I am. Why is it wrong that the people in this country who are expected to PAY for all this government largesse finally decide that they are tired of being ignored (except at tax time, of course)?”
Why didn’t you care at when we started paying for two wars and had a administration that added more spending to the federal budget in 50 years?
I’m sorry but I don’t believe it.
Your a partisan. That basically just means that because your a Republican / conservative you will hate everything that Democrats / liberals ever do. Everything. With no thought about it.
I wouldn’t say that except that all you people were amazingly silent for years and years but every time someone like me questions you all in this day and age there is always a quick session of Bush-Hating but nothing solid.
So … no. I don’t buy it. Your just Anti-Obama and that’s it. This isn’t about spending or about fears about government. This is about standing against anything the other party does, no matter what.
You said the words: “narrow minded bigots”.
I would like to say that however offended you are, I’ve been equally offended by the words of Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Lara Ingram, etc. when they expound upon their ideals on liberalism.
They are bigots against liberals and bigots against free thinking people in this nation.
When I call them bigots everyone jumps and calls that ‘inappropriate’. But when someone is offended by a single blog on Alan’s site that is just fine to label him a bigot.
Sure…
goliath43 Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 4:45 am
Eric,
This arguement is getting old.
Why didn’t you care at when we started paying for two wars and had a administration that added more spending to the federal budget in 50 years?
One war..war on terrorism remember 9/11 and while you’re at it throw in Katrina.
I’m sorry but I don’t believe it.
Your a partisan. That basically just means that because your a Republican / conservative you will hate everything that Democrats / liberals ever do. Everything. With no thought about it.
I love they way you can with a broad wave of your wand know what everyone has in their heart and how they feel about issues.
So … no. I don’t buy it. Your just Anti-Obama and that’s it. This isn’t about spending or about fears about government. This is about standing against anything the other party does, no matter what.
Don’t forget Eric we are all Americans first or have you forgotten that.
When I call them bigots everyone jumps and calls that ‘inappropriate’. But when someone is offended by a single blog on Alan’s site that is just fine to label him a bigot.
Just a smile and a kind word will go a lot further than the constant name calling and stereotyping of an entire political party
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 7:11 am
“than the constant name calling and stereotyping of an entire political party”
If you look at the way money flows in funding Republican Party, they smoothly transfer from A to B to C to whoever in the party. All it takes is 1 person to be funded by the defense contractors, and that money is available for everyone:
The defense contractor donates to the political fund of A, A donates to the fund of B etc…and knowing they’re all sharing the resources, the defense contractor is (expected to) donate a meaningful amount, in return for the war and the defense contract…
So, excuse me, I think Rocky’s right to blame the Republican Party for the war for profit.
September 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Wow, how incredibly noble-minded of you to attempt to set my mind at ease, and how eloquently you speak.
Um Cara Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Well, that’s sweet of you to say. It’s a gift!
September 13th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
‘Why is it wrong that the people in this country who are expected to PAY for all this government largesse finally decide that they are tired of being ignored (except at tax time, of course)?’
Its not wrong to disagree but it would of been nice to hear that voice while the last admin. was spending like a drunken sailor on cinderella liberty.
Why are you concerned now?
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
“Why are you concerned now?”
Oh I can take a stab at that. It’s because they’re radical rightwing extremists and they’re against anything Obama and the Democrats want to do, no matter what it is or how much it will strengthen the United States of America.
Because the truth is the rightwing doesn’t give a damn about America. They’re the enemy within.
September 13th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Dear Craig~
Why would you presume that people weren’t concerned? Oh, that’s right, we’re only concerned now because Obama is only HALF Caucasian! That’s right! I wouldn’t mind it at all if Obama were running up all those huge defeicits and he was a hunnerd percen’ Waaaaaat! Democrats have been the majority in Congress since what, 2006? Why don’t you consider this graph for a moment? http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/ It’s at Heritage.org but comes from the Washington Post. See what I mean? If that doesn’t concern you, then I’ll stop bothering you and you can go back to your happy happy time in rainbow and unicorn land.
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
I don’t really understand much of that,but, wow, you are a really vitriolic person!
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
“…you can go back to your happy happy time in rainbow and unicorn land.”
So why don’t you go back to your military-industrial complex Dr. Strangelove psycho-dreams about war war war and more war?
Oh maybe you can’t afford the good drugs any more. Medical bills get a little too big to handle? Bank toss you outta your house? Well don’t sweat it too much because our President is going to push health care reform through congress so that nobody ever again loses everything they own just because they got sick.
Now your pals in the insurance corporations and Big Pharm might not like the plan too much, but that’s tough crap on them. They’ve been raping us all for generations and now it’s time we got a little justice.
craig7120 Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
LOL @ unicorn land
so anyway why are you concerned now?
Lib Patriot Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 12:19 am
This conservative-biased website provides no proof whatsoever that its figures came from the Washington Post, so there’s no proof here that the bar graphs aren’t just made up to suit conservative wishful thinking.
Further, during the Bush Administration, the costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars were kept out of the general budget, which was hardly conducive towards an honest accounting of federal expenditures during Dubya’s administration.
And if the teabaggers REALLY were concerned about the federal deficit, they would see the need to raise income taxes progressively on the wealthiest Americans to pay down the debt.
Obama’s stimulus measure, geared to be spent out over a two-year period, will put more people to work in the end, and they will contribute back to the Treasury through payroll taxes rather than continuing to draw from the Treasury through unemployment compensation. I guess that’s much too complicated for a teabagger to understand.
Only about 14% of the stimulus money has been released so far, and it’s done with legally-enforcable strings attached to make sure that the money gets spent for the projects (e.g., road and bridge construction) that it is supposed to be spent on. If only this had been done for the TARP money to the banks, and for all the money given to private contractors working in Iraq!
Teabaggers who express concern about the federal deficit while decrying tax increases to pay down the deficit are just talking out of both sides of their mouth.
September 13th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
“Anyone stupid enough to leave the Hannity show cant be very bright.”
Well the truth is Alan has frequently remarked that he isn’t really very bright. And obviously being very bright would be a problem on any show featuring Hannity, because you’d be talking over the heads of the audience. Of course, after twelve years with Hannity it’s very likely that Alan’s got a few bucks in the bank. So probably it’s just a case where the man ain’t too smart for his own good.
And, by the way, if you’re using “cant” as a contraction of “can” and “not” you need an apostrophe.
September 13th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Dear Rocky Raccoon,
Why so upset? Isn’t it possible to be rational and still express your views? I should think you’d be beside yourself with happiness right now; Democrats have control of the House, the Senate and the White House! Yet you still seem so biter and angry. Why is that, I wonder?
September 13th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Rocky, Rocky! MY friends in Big Pharm? Perhaps you were out of town when this happened:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html Or maybe you missed it when Robert Reich wrote this at Salon.com: http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/08/10/pharma/
I’m sure I’m wrong, but it’s almost like you don’t know what you’re talking about or something. That can’t be right!
libpatriot Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
While Reich’s concerns bear some serious attention by all of us, I have to say it’s rather clever that Obama set Big Insurance and Big Pharma against each other, rather than allow them to band together and gang up on him, as happened to Clinton with HIS health care proposal.
September 13th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Dear Rocky Raccoon~
Also, how very considerate of you to correct posters’ minor grammatical errors! I’ll be certain to scan your postings carefully, just in case! Wouldn’t want anyone to come across as being petty or ignorant, now, would we?
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
wait, who’s the one being bitter and angry? (… and sarcastic and vitriolic and snotty and etc.)
Um Cara Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
The teabagging seems to make them cranky – like that dude who yelled at Obama during his speech.
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
hee. Yeah, they should probably get a little rest, I’m sure teabagging is somewhat tiring. Not that I would know. (ew…)
Um Cara Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Yea, me neither – but it seems like it might cut off oxygen to the brain, which couldn’t be a good thing.
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
oxygen to the brain… wow, that’s the problem with with them!!!
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
this explains SO much.
September 13th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Dear Cynthia Cook,
Not sure why you’re hanging out in LIBERALLAND, but welcome aboard. Alan is pretty cool about the opposing view being heard here. Unlike that witch Michelle Malkin, with her pouty little mouth spewing hate and vitriol. I am banned from posting on her site because I dare to disagree.
The reason the majority of Americans don’t take the Repubikkkan party seriously anymore is because you sat there silent while bush gave out his tax cut goodies to his friends and then invaded a country that was not a threat and was not connected to 911. Bush was responsible for putting 4000 young boys and girls in their graves, and yet you cheered it on, because after all, it wasn’t your chickenchithawk ash on the line. But now there is a black (ok 50%, whatever) man in the white house and you can’t stomach the fact that some of us want our friends, family, and neighbors to have – GOD FORBID – affordable health care insurance. Oh the humanity.
September 13th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Cynthia the teabagger,
.Why would you presume that people weren’t concerned? Oh, that’s right, we’re only concerned now because Obama is only HALF Caucasian! That’s right!
You should probably speak for yourself, I don’t think all of Obama’s detractors dislike him because of his mixed racial heritage, though at least you acknowledge your own racism.
September 13th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Speaking of ‘war dreams,’ by the way….what up with Obama and Afghanistan? Do you think he is unaware that, as noted liberal Camille Paglia writes on her blog at Salon.com: “Every invader has been frustrated and eventually defeated by that maze-like mountain terrain, from Alexander the Great to the Soviet Union.” Gosh, I wonder we he doesn’t just forget the whole endeavor? Hmmmmm. And now, 57% of Independents and 75% of Democrats oppose his actions there! I can’t help but feel for the poor fellow. He seems so confused, so in over his head.
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Are you suggesting we “cut and run”?
(oh, sorry, i forgot you don’t actually reply to posts.)
September 13th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
LOL @ Um Cara! You crack me up!
September 13th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
As delightful and amusing as all the personal comments are….does no one have anything substantive to reply? Really? @SouthernLibGirl…what exactly do you think you are entitled to and what exactly do you expect to receive vis a vis the proposed health care reform? Also, what do you have to do to get banned at MichelleMalkin.com?
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Well, you know, after all I am a liberal. Therefore that must mean that I sit around on my fat arse everyday, waiting for the guvmint to deliver my welfare check so I can go and get some crack to smoke.
All you have to do to get banned at Michellemalkin is to disagree that Nobama is a commie, facist, marxist socialist intent on taking over the world or at least delivering it to Hugo Chavez.
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
delivering WHAT to Hugo Chavez??
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
oh, sorry, my mind’s in the gutter. ;)
September 13th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
psst, Cynthia: you have lots of replies: look a little further up: they will be under your posts.
September 13th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
If that doesn’t concern you, then I’ll stop bothering you and you can go back to your happy happy time in rainbow and unicorn land.
I know you haven’t been around here long, but I hate unicorns, I couldn’t possibly be happy in unicorn land.
This is a fact very much on record at Liberalland.
September 13th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Ahhh, sky. Sorry, I didn’t see your question there. Do I think we should “cut and run?” How flattering to be asked my opinion on such a complicated matter. In all seriousness, if you consider the situation in Afghanistan under a loss/benefits analysis, I would have to say that I am unsure of what the Administration’s ultimate objectives there are. I can only presume that the goal is to undermine and root out the Taliban. Do I agree with this goal? From a humanitarian perspective, of course I do. Just read wiki’s entry on the subject here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women
Or, even more tellingly, consider the articles on this site. It is tragic and horrifying.
Unfortunately, I think Camille Paglia, again, is right on the money when she says this: “…outsiders will never be able to fix the fate of the roiling peoples of the Near East and Greater Middle East, who have been disputing territorial borderlines and slaughtering each other for 5,000 years. There is too much lingering ethnic and sectarian acrimony for a tranquil solution to be possible for generations to come. The presence of Western military forces merely inflames and prolongs the process and creates new militias of patriotic young radicals who hate us and want to take the war into our own cities. The technological West is too infatuated with easy fixes. But tribally based peoples think in terms of centuries and millennia. They know how to wait us out. Our presence in Afghanistan is not worth the price of any more American lives or treasure.”
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
so… do you think we should not have gone there in the first place?
September 13th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Sorry, Southern Girl Lib, I omitted the address for this excellent website: http://www.islamfortoday.com/afghanistanwomen1.htm
September 13th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Well, where did Rocky Raccoon go? He certainly had a lot to say before? Perhaps his medication has worn off and he had to go and lie in a darkened room. Poor fellow. @sky: I think that when and if we embark on a mission in one of these tinder box areas such as Afghanistan, there had better be a clearly defined, short-term goal with very clear and definite plans for how to accomplish that goal. Otherwise, we find ourselves in the situation we are in today. Think of how catastrophic it will be for the people there who aided or were even sympathetic to our military when we do leave. They will have no chance.
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
So you think that we should never have gone there in the first place.
Well, I agree, but of course now that we ARE there, it would be irresponsible to just leave them in the big mess that we created, wouldn’t you say?
September 13th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Dear Um Cara,
I never accused you of being a unicorn sympathizer. If you check again, I think you’ll find that that comment was addressed to a ‘Craig,’ who subsequently skittered off, presumably to his happy happy time.
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
you mean craig who said this: “Its not wrong to disagree but it would of been nice to hear that voice while the last admin. was spending like a drunken sailor on cinderella liberty.
Why are you concerned now?”
?
craig7120 Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Happy happy time was watching the bears n packers.
And I will confirm that Um has stated he hates unicorns. just for the record.
ooops halftime over. skittling off again.
September 13th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Dear Southern Girl Lib,
You never answered my question. Really, what is it that expect to receive from a government-run health care?
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
I can’t answer your question because I disagree with your premise that what is proposed is government run healthcare. What I would like to see is an affordable public option for people like my sister who is unemployed (laid off from her auto manufact. job), can’t afford the cobra, but is too “rich” for medicaid because of her unemployment “income.” I am not asking for “free.” I am asking for affordability. This is a serious issue. Medical bills can and will force someone into bankruptcy.
September 13th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Yes, yes, that Craig, to whom I replied this: “Why would you presume that people weren’t concerned? Oh, that’s right, we’re only concerned now because Obama is only HALF Caucasian! That’s right! I wouldn’t mind it at all if Obama were running up all those huge defeicits and he was a hunnerd percen’ Waaaaaat! Democrats have been the majority in Congress since what, 2006? Why don’t you consider this graph for a moment? http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/ It’s at Heritage.org but comes from the Washington Post. See what I mean? If that doesn’t concern you, then I’ll stop bothering you and you can go back to your happy happy time in rainbow and unicorn land.”
And then, I guess when confronted by the horrifying truth, he fled at once.
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
oh.
Yeah, I didn’t get what you wrote either. Maybe he just got bored trying to figure it out.
September 13th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Ahhh. Forgive me. Let me express myself in simpler terms. Conservatives who were uneasy with the levels of deficit spending under Bush have now reached the breaking point. If you click on the link above, it will show you a breakdown of deficits by year since 2000. It would show you that under the present administration’s projections, the federal deficit will grown from around 400 billion in 2008 to close to 1.85 TRILLION by the end of this year. By the end of August, the deficit was already 1.38 trillion. From an economics standpoint, that’s bad. That’s really, really bad. Because, it means the government is spending more than it’s taking in. You may be too young to remember this, but do you know what home mortgage interest rates were in the 1970’s? Over 18%. Think many people could afford to buy a house? Not so much. So how, you may ask is the government paying its bills? Where is the money coming from to pay your mail man, er, letter carrier, for example? We are borrowing money from China and India and Japan. What do you think will happen if we stop being able to pay them their interest? Not good things, I assure you. Imagine defaulting on your Capital One account, but Capital One has like 1 billion people with machine guns in their collection department. I know that this is a long answer, but this stuff is important, or it should be, whether you are a Republican or a Democrat. So, when people say that the only reason people are upset is because Obama is half black, it’s a little hard to take them seriously.
sky Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
So sad, after Pesident Clinton left us with such a big surplus.
craig7120 Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
‘So, when people say that the only reason people are upset is because Obama is half black, it’s a little hard to take them seriously.’
gotcha, so who was it that brought up his race?
I should of looked further down the posts to find your answer.
So your concerned about the deficit. great, welcome aboard. If this admin doesnt work out guess what we vote again, aint America great? oh wait that’s right you cant wait, my rememdy during the W’s years was golf so find yourself a hobby cause your stuck for atleast another 3yrs.
September 13th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Yes, thanks to the Republican Congress and the Contract with America. So, I guess you could say that a big thanks to Newt Gingrich is in order, since he was the architect of all that. Do you really think that Bill Clinton would have voluntarily supported welfare reform among other things? Really? LOL
September 13th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
If the Republicans GOT us the surplus, why didn’t they maintain it after they got their President in?
… and you still haven’t answered my question: don’t you think it would be irresponsible to leave Afghanistan in the mess WE created?
September 13th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Dear Sky~
Sorry, this format is not very linear. One would expect the most recent comments to appear at the bottom, but then, again, why would I expect that? Hmmmm. Anyway, the situation is bad no matter how you slice it. It will be bad if we pull out tomorrow, it will be bad if we pull out in 10 years. Should we stick around and see more casualties in order to put off the inevitable? In his much discussed editorial, George Will explains this far more eloquently than I: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/31/AR2009083102912.html
I agree with him when he says, “So, instead, forces should be substantially reduced to serve a comprehensively revised policy: America should do only what can be done from offshore, using intelligence, drones, cruise missiles, airstrikes and small, potent Special Forces units, concentrating on the porous 1,500-mile border with Pakistan, a nation that actually matters.” By “matters,” he means a nation where our presence could effect a difference.
September 13th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Dear Sky and Southern Girl Lib, I have enjoyed this back and forth dialogue. I have to go now and it is unlikely that I will visit this site again. I really just wanted to rebuke Mr. Colmes for his unnecessary vulgarisms. You guys may enjoy reading a site that I go to all the time: HotAir.com. One of the main contributors is a guy who calls himself Allahpundit. He can be pretty funny, but is a self-described atheist libertarian.
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
hotair.com ughhhhh. a michellemalkin site. I’d rather take a root canal without anestheisia.
Lib Patriot Reply:
September 13th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Cynthia Cook is a coward who cuts and runs. She came prepared with a few biased websites to throw at us, like the Heritage Foundation piece that claims to source information from the Washington Post (but it never sources when or what article in the Washington Post it comes from, so the claim is apparently bogus), using the element of surprise on the posters, but fears seeing what people here may produce as researched follow-ups to her arguments.
And she continually avoided craig7120’s question as to why she and her fellow teabaggers weren’t concerned about Bush racking up the federal deficits by fighting two wars without rescinding the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans to pay for those two wars. What other president in American history started war without providing for revenue increases to the Treasury to pay for the war?
Cynthia Cook Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 12:31 am
Why, hello there….here you go. Apparently bogus, eh? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html
Clear enough for you? As far as why people “weren’t concerned about Bush racking up” defecits, I thought I was pretty clear when I said this: Ahhh. Forgive me. Let me express myself in simpler terms. Conservatives who were uneasy with the levels of deficit spending under Bush have now reached the breaking point. If you click on the link above, it will show you a breakdown of deficits by year since 2000. It would show you that under the present administration’s projections, the federal deficit will grown from around 400 billion in 2008 to close to 1.85 TRILLION by the end of this year. By the end of August, the deficit was already 1.38 trillion. From an economics standpoint, that’s bad. That’s really, really bad. Because, it means the government is spending more than it’s taking in. You may be too young to remember this, but do you know what home mortgage interest rates were in the 1970’s? Over 18%. Think many people could afford to buy a house? Not so much. So how, you may ask is the government paying its bills? Where is the money coming from to pay your mail man, er, letter carrier, for example? We are borrowing money from China and India and Japan. What do you think will happen if we stop being able to pay them their interest? Not good things, I assure you. Imagine defaulting on your Capital One account, but Capital One has like 1 billion people with machine guns in their collection department. I know that this is a long answer, but this stuff is important, or it should be, whether you are a Republican or a Democrat. So, when people say that the only reason people are upset is because Obama is half black, it’s a little hard to take them seriously.
So, what part of that is wrong, creepy mustache dude?
Lib Patriot Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 1:17 am
Looks like I’ll have to retract the first line of my post, but it has served the purpose I intended of drawing you out, which makes it worth the retraction. So, you are not as cowardly as I thought; good for you!
Well, for one thing, projections aren’t reality, and it doesn’t consider the effect of the Bush tax cuts expiring on the wealthiest Americans, which will put more money in the treasury, doesn’t consider the possiblility that the Iraq war may wind down faster than expected, doesn’t take into account that as the economy recovers from the stimulus (of which only 14% has beenspent, the stimulus is a two-year plan) and more people go back to work, they will be paying into the Treasury through pay roll taxes rather than taking out through further unemployment compensation, doesn’t consider the savings that can be gleaned in the long run through a stronger, healthier, more productive work force that gets more regular checkups because of expanded health care coverage, and doesn’t consider the savings through early detection of diseases (which can be more effectively treated, and less expensively) through keeping more people in the taxpaying workforce longer—many things that keep this from being selid fact, because they are only PROJECTIONS, not summaries of data collected after-the-fact. So, they prove nothing.
Heh-heh, sorry my mustache scares you, hopefully you won’t have to stay in long-term therapy to conquer recurrences of facial-hair phobia, but you never know after seeing MY face! But, I called you a coward to draw you here (which I once again apologize for, since you’ve just proved you’re not) and so you are entirely w/i your rights to know me as creepy mustache dude.
Tit for tat, after all!
Teabaggers who truly care about the deficit would do well to emulate the example of Abraham Lincoln, who created the first progressive income tax system, taxing the wealthiest ($10,000+/year) at higher rates (5%) than those less wealthy ($600-$10,000 at 3%), and not taxing those struggling hardest at all (<$600 at 0% income tax. Lincoln did this with the Internal Revenue Act of 1862, signed July 1, 1862. Progressive income taxes, despised by the modern-day Republican party, are necessary to insure all Americans the benefits of a civilized society (roads, schools, security, parks, monuments, public transportation, and soon, like it or not, health care). Lincoln used the tax code for the purpose of forging the Union back together; teabaggers use the tax issue as an excuse to tear the Union apart for their own selfish desires. Teddy Roosevelt (IMO, the last Republican president that was really worth a whole lot), agreed with Lincoln. I'll quote him in the next post, for this one is long enough already.
Lib Patriot Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 1:32 am
Teddy Roosevelt, on the progressive income tax, from his “New Nationialism” speech in Kansas in 1910, in the 29th paragraph of the printed version of that speech:
“The really big fortune, the swollen fortune, by the mere fact of its size, acquires qualities which differentiate it in kind as well as degree from what is possessed by men of relatively small means. Therefore, I believe in a graduated income tax on big fortunes, and in another tax which is far more easily collected and far more effective, a graduated inheritance tax on big fortunes, properly safeguarded against evasion, and increasing rapidly in amount with the size of the estate.”
teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=501
So, teabaggers and other modern-day Republicans still swooning over the rhetoric of Ronald Reagan, decrying a progressive income tax as “punishing the successful”, are betraying the economic principles of both Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt.
Lib Patriot Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 1:38 am
http://www.teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=501
I counted as paragraphs single lines preceded and followed by spaces, so by that reckoning the TR quote in the above post ispart of the 29th paragraph.
Lib Patriot Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 1:49 am
Cynthia, one more observation: there are of course many proud moments in American history, but the Boston Tea Party is really not one of them. The Bostonians involved snuck around in the dark, vandalized property, polluted a public harbor, and disguised themselves in such a way that if they were observed, eyewitness reports would point to native Americans doing the vandalism. Not very honorable, that particular incident.
A more courageous example from the Revolutionary period would be the American soldiers hunkered down in Valley Forge in the dead of winter rather than leave their posts. So perhaps to show their dedication, reactionary conservatives should become Valley Forgers, and hunker down in protest outside for days on end during a blizzard this winter! Hey, I’d like to see them do that; that WOULD be impressive!
craig7120 Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Lib wad up brother, hey I was only gone for a lil while in my happy place with unicorns and rainbows and she smacked me around pretty good in my absence.
I wont lie it hurt. But I was happy to see Um, Sky, SGL pick up the slack, even though Um doesnt like unicorns hes still a cool dude.
Cynthia Cook Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 12:43 am
LOL What is a reasonable and humorous unicorn lover like you doing in an icky place like this?
craig7120 Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 1:01 am
I know teabaggers, deathers, birhters, jesusers icky this place up from time to time. I cant speak for Alan but Im sorry you had to see what you wrote.
cmon that was kinda funny, right?
goliath43 Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 3:12 am
I love it Cynthia presented facts with supporting links dumbed down her comments and outshined everyone of you liberals. All she got in return was hateful comments the always handy race card and pure nonsense replies about unicorns and rainbows. I visit this website for the entertainment value and to see just how far the left has lost touch with reality. But its gotten to the point that its just filled with hate and anger for someone who disaggrees with some of the issues.
craig7120 Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 10:53 am
‘All she got in return was hateful comments the always handy race card and pure nonsense replies about unicorns and rainbows’
Seriously? your girl brought up race, unicorns, rainbows but the responses were filled with hate and anger? let me guess you’re also concerned with the deficit…now?
Rest assured dude the Pres. is working on it.
Got any hobbies?
TDro319 Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Craig:
Goliath’s hobby is visiting left wing sites and criticizing the posters here.
September 13th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Hey Alan! You’re a self hating Jew? I thought you were a Muslim athiest.
September 14th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Are you an escapee from Michelle Malkin’s site? It’s not polite to come on someone’s website and insult them. We are all Alan fans here, even the con posters, so why don’t you take your rude a** and get the h*ll out of here.
karthiks030977 Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Speak for yourself, SGL. Am turning away from Alan, now that he’s posting Carrie’s picture less often.
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
LOL.
libpatriot Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
ATTAGIRL, SGL! If you hadn’t posted that, my agressively creepy mustache was going to just leave me and chase her out!
(My mustache just concurred: “Rrrrrrrrrrr!”)
libpatriot Reply:
September 14th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
(Sorry, “aggressive” has two “G”s in it. I just started typing too fast because my angry mustache was making even ME nervous! DOWN BOY!)
September 14th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
I was just thinking you havent updated the hate mail. I love these segments. Thing is, It shows how much of a mental midgets the mudslingers are.
September 14th, 2009 at 11:00 pm