• Alan responds to Republican outrage over President Obama’s decision to revamp missile defense policy in Eastern Europe.
• How much opposition to Obama is really rooted in racism? Alan examines the evidence.
• So-called “expert on cult mentalities” David Conn says Obama is “immensely more dangerous” than Jonestown Massacre Rev. Jim Jones. Wait, what?!? Alan asks Conn what kind of Kool-Aid he’s been drinking.
Let’s hope “Whisperin’ Bill” isn’t under the weather and that he’s okay.
Whisperin’ Bill strangely seems to annoy Colmes. Oddly, Bill should be one of his more popular callers.
Thanx for the post Lefty.
I agree with Frank Schaefer.
I grew up hearing all the ‘damnation cometh unto america’ stuff, in church, on the radio, tv, and casette tapes.
Those are my roots.
Rev. Wright sounds rather tame in comparison to many preachers that I have heard, seriously.
LOL, Anonymouse, that was one regular Radio Graffiti caller we DIDN’T hear from on this show, and I was waiting for him. Your post makes up for it, though! I was going to suggest that he got laryngitis, but am not sure one can go hoarse from just whispering.
During your radio program do you still read off the names, on a weekly basis, of our heroic young men and women who have lost their life in combat in Iraq or Afghanistan???
1. Some are. They are looney-tunes.
2. Probably not. They have a problem with not being in power.
3. Maybe, that’s not in keeping with this idea that he is some radical from Planet Xenos. (oops, I mean Kenya.)
4. That would be news story if it’s true!
5. Yes.
6. Very likely. But the fact that anyone was even mildly outraged is very strange and very questionable unless they were concerned about military expansion in general of course.
7. Yes. Absolutely.
At about three questions most people will never answer you with anything cogent because, if your talking to them, they are never going to remember any of it.
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“How much opposition to Obama is really rooted in racism?”
Well, how can we ever really know? Is it likely that people questioned in polls, who identify themselves as disapproving of President Obama’s job performance, would answer a question like “Are you racist?” honestly?
September 17th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Conn’s article in the click-on link provided above is little more than a lot of opinion-spouting. Conn admits to being biased against Obama from the beginning, and comes across as only a self-styled expert. But hey, Conn DID write a book about Jim Jones and the Jonestown cult followers conv1nced/forced to drink cyanide-laced grape Kool-Aid, so that makes any statement Conn wants to make about Obama valid, right?
“Alan asks Conn what kind of Kool-Aid he’s been drinking.”
Will he really? THAT would just be too funny!
September 17th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
You know, over the last 8 years we heard a constant drum beat of the enemy is the “other” from the outside, the enemy is in the malls, in your town, in ferries, coming across, coming in unmanned aerial vehicles…..
Now that they are out of power, the enemy is the “other” from within…the enemy is in the Whitehouse.
I don’t know of they realize how much it reeks of sheer hatred.
libpatriot Reply:
September 17th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
OldLefty: “I don’t know if they realize how much it reeks of sheer hatred.”
Lefty, I doubt many on the far right possess enough self-awareness to realize how poorly their diatribes come across to anybody who doesn’t share their exact political outlook.
OldLefty Reply:
September 17th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
I know, libpatriot,
They sound like they did with JFK, he was a “papist”.
libpatriot Reply:
September 17th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Indeed they do Lefty, it’s rather similar in attempting to motivate people by fear and prejudice.
EricG Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 9:20 am
You touched on what has me all boiled up.
The blame shifted so easily off of their leaders and anything that was Republican Government.
The party seems to have just written-off the entire Bush Presidency on the right.
Meanwhile the country is in a recession, the troops keep dying and we are just barely regulating any differently over the same people who brought us the crash.
It’s not like the Republicans coming out and throwing Bush and Cheney down the stairs would make me happy. It would help but it’s truly just that this is so clearly the market-run-mad brought to a head by their ideology of keeping the “private sector private” and nobody but Greenspan will even face it on the right…
Beyond frustrating considering I hear so much about personal accountability from these same people.
September 17th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Republicans are outraged over President Obama’s decision to revamp missile defense policy in Eastern Europe?
Do they truly have a problem with updating our defense plans to missiles that could operate more flexibly in their target selection or interception?
Have they forgotten that there are Republicans in Obama’s administration such as Gates who advise him on policy?
Do these Republicans have constituents involved in manufacturing missiles that will be scrapped by this revamp plan?
Is this just another knee-jerk reaction by the right to anything Obama decides?
Is Alan exaggerating the level of outrage from Republicans to this policy decision?
Am I asking too many darned questions for one post?
[Probably.]
EricG Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 9:27 am
1. Some are. They are looney-tunes.
2. Probably not. They have a problem with not being in power.
3. Maybe, that’s not in keeping with this idea that he is some radical from Planet Xenos. (oops, I mean Kenya.)
4. That would be news story if it’s true!
5. Yes.
6. Very likely. But the fact that anyone was even mildly outraged is very strange and very questionable unless they were concerned about military expansion in general of course.
7. Yes. Absolutely.
At about three questions most people will never answer you with anything cogent because, if your talking to them, they are never going to remember any of it.
September 17th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Is this passing for the chat stream tonite??
jazmine Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 12:23 am
It appears that way, Parrothead! Feel free to join the Free for all, no need to worry about stepping on any ones toes.
September 17th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Wine bag …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bota_bag
… the [wine bag] is made of two pieces of tanned and close-cropped goatskin. Softened, they are cut out on a last and are sewn on their sides. Then the bottle is turned up, seam and hair inside. After drying, it is inflated, then coated with pitch to make it impermeable.
Inflated and impermeable, I can the resemblance to Colmes but otherwise I don’t get the comparison.
jazmine Reply:
September 17th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Somewhat like the bag in bagpipes…I think?!
What are we comparing again? left-right? It’s all becoming very blurry, to me.
jazmine Reply:
September 17th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
http://www.music.iastate.edu/antiqua/bagpipe.htm
anonymouse Reply:
September 17th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
A conservative female [b#tch] caller chewed Colmes out for saying things she didn’t care to listen to.
Which begs the question, “why are you listening to him then?” but that’s a road Colmes could go down with all of his wingnut callers, he never seems to though.
The woman called Colmes a “wine bag”. I was only trying to understand what she meant. :)
jazmine Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Wine bags are as old as time. Our ancestors, figured out quite quickly how to carry liquids from points A-B. Don’t forget we were mostly nomadic, so vital supplies had to be not, only sourced, but carried.
pierre Reply:
September 17th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Hey Jaz,
you like an inflated bota bag, just as i like a juicy torta.
jazmine Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 12:21 am
What do you think?
anonymouse Reply:
September 17th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
As if on cue, “John the Trucker” shows up.
Or, as we’ll call him from now on, “Gay John”.
His Mid-South accent puts him somewhere from Tennessee east to the Atlantic coast but I can’t pin it down any closer.
anonymouse Reply:
September 17th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
You should really get a radio so you can listen in.
Radios: they have ‘em in all the stores now!!
pierre Reply:
September 17th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Alan should stop talking about “Racists”.
Racism will be over if we refer to them as
amphibians, reptiles, barbarians.
The term racist implies a sense of superiority,
just like a bully.
EricG Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Oh yes … the Wine Bag Lady.
(I think she meant it like: “Whine Bag”. Her own version of “Gas Bag”.)
She was the first example of people of the people who I have to question why they take this so personally and in the same breath resent anyone who brought it up.
I mean I can sit here and levee the finger of “CLOSET RACIST!” every single time I see things like that but it’s much better if people just look into this on their own, without their right wing media lapdogs guiding them, to see for themselves what has people saying such things in the first place.
We can be childish about this and say that conservatives swung first with their “Obama is racist” claims …
September 17th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
I am a democrat and proud of it, I do believe that there is racial issues. hopefully Obama will make some changes for ALL american people. I have to ask when are we as Americans going to at least talk about the fact that there is also issues with reverse racism? Would the White Race be allowed to have a white college fund or a Miss white usa or even the white entertainment channel on Tv? or would that be considered the KKK? we are all hard working americans, Obama made a very important statement when he spoke to school kids, He said everyone has got to be accountable for their own destiny and be responcible. we spend a lot of time and money protecting racial issues for the black race, but what about the white race? Years ago I was in a situation where I needed assistance and was told by a social service worker that there was a 2 year waiting list for assistance and I was at the bottom of the list because I was not a minority, tell me that isn’t racism.
September 17th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
“So-called” lamest guest of the year for Colmes?
Well, there are several months to go in 2009 so you COULD get one worse than this Conn guy. But, the odds are against it.
Conn will be the worst.
September 18th, 2009 at 12:11 am
Hey alan
David is a Con and a loony—tell him to get off
the phone. He is a mini-Glenn.
September 18th, 2009 at 12:29 am
I heard someone on TV the other night, on either MSNBC or CNN.
He was saying how his mother thought JFK was the anti-Christ back in ‘63. After his assassination, something to do with his being headshot, she felt JFK would afterward reappear for his second coming and reign over his evil empire for 1000 years or something.
So, instead, all we got LBJ?
Maybe Colmes can get that guy’s mother for an interview?
OldLefty Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 8:00 am
ANONYMOUSE ;
“I heard someone on TV the other night, on either MSNBC or CNN.”
…………..
From his son, Frank Schaeffer ;
Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer — denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, but he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.
Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father’s footsteps) rail against America’s sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the “murder of the unborn,” has become “Sodom” by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, “under the judgment of God.” They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama’s minister’s shouted “controversial” comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.”
It seems that when white preachers wearing suits blame America for the ‘immorality of it’s people’ and call upon the government to control the people, it’s treated as mainstream religion.
When a black preacher wearing a dashiki blames America for the ‘immorality of it’s government for oppressing the people’, it’s treated as scary, angry black people.
blissfulconservative Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 8:04 am
And when you have folks at a tea party it’s treated as small-minded, ignorant, racist, bigots who simply don’t want reform led by a half-black President. Right?
Daddio Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Lefty, can I ask what denomination your father belonged to?
My dad never preached in that manner. He preached of God’s love for all mankind.
Ministers I have had over the years since never preached in the above manner you described. Sure, some do and I have heard a few of them in my lifetime.
Your father was right when he said that America is under the judgement of God. We all are. One day we all will stand before God during the Great Judgement Day. There we will be either accepted into His Kingdom or condemned to an eternity in Hell. I pray all of our names will be in the Book of Life.
OldLefty Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Daddio,
It is not MY father, it is Frank Schaffer’s father, who was considered to be the founder of modern fundamentalism.
Francis Schaffer was the one who called for the overthrow of the US government and was a frequent guest at the Whitehouse.
Daddio Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 8:35 am
You said “following in my fathers footsteps” so I assumed your father was a pastor. My apologies.
OldLefty Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 8:41 am
No problem, Daddio.
The whole thing was a quote.
average james Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Thanx for the post Lefty.
I agree with Frank Schaefer.
I grew up hearing all the ‘damnation cometh unto america’ stuff, in church, on the radio, tv, and casette tapes.
Those are my roots.
Rev. Wright sounds rather tame in comparison to many preachers that I have heard, seriously.
September 18th, 2009 at 12:32 am
((( Whisperin’ Bill Anderson. )))
libpatriot Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
LOL, Anonymouse, that was one regular Radio Graffiti caller we DIDN’T hear from on this show, and I was waiting for him. Your post makes up for it, though! I was going to suggest that he got laryngitis, but am not sure one can go hoarse from just whispering.
anonymouse Reply:
September 18th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Let’s hope “Whisperin’ Bill” isn’t under the weather and that he’s okay.
Whisperin’ Bill strangely seems to annoy Colmes. Oddly, Bill should be one of his more popular callers.
September 18th, 2009 at 12:58 am
Thursday’s callers gave a few quotes that directly back up my specific claims surrounding Jimmy Carter’s comments. More or less they just want him to shut up and want no one to ever bring this up ever again.
My point is this unwillingness to confront the racialist statements of figures like Limbaugh & Beck combined with this fierce rejection of even discussing race as an issue begs to question the motives of the whole.
There is never any doubt there is some fringe, sliver element of racism in any group. Such things don’t warrant a huge uproar but still should be addressed.
Joan Walsh said it rather well as to the issue of anyone saying all rejection of Obama is racially motivated:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/09/17/nancy_pelosi/index.html
Anyone and everyone is free to disagree with Carter and I’m the type who is interested to explore this difference in opinion.
But this outright rejection of the topic is disturbing and this claim that liberals always play the race card just doesn’t pan out well with the facts.
Glenn Beck – “Obama is a racist”
And this is the man so many chose to take their lead from…
September 18th, 2009 at 8:35 am
During your radio program do you still read off the names, on a weekly basis, of our heroic young men and women who have lost their life in combat in Iraq or Afghanistan???
September 18th, 2009 at 12:24 pm