• A 90 percent pay cut for bailed-out executives? Alan debates the issue with CapitalistPig.com’s Jonathan Hoenig.
• He’s doing what?!? Alan evaluates the recent career detour of former President George W. Bush.
• BunnyRanch owner Dennis Hof and “working girl” Cami Parker sit down with Alan to discuss the latest season of HBO’s Cathouse.
She replied, “we think they’re morons”.
Yup. That’s what I’ve heard as well.
It’s all giggling and fun-fun-fun when these people are on the radio or on a camera but if you pull one of them aside and ask them what they think of that guy they are shaking their goodies in the face of … they think he is a sleaze or failing that just a loser.
I’d rather have women do all these same things, and more, because they want to and because they enjoy my company over the company of others.
But then again I’ve never gone to a strip club or picked up a “lady of the night”.
Conservatives continue to defend corporate greed with words like “common sense”.
The so-called “free market” they all envision is exactly what caused this recent recession. It’s not like these people care about anyone making less than them. They only care to spin the truth until it becomes hard to see that they are advocating having another recession.
The sooner Americans learn that conservatives economic ideals cause recessions, the better off we all will be.
Alan Greenspan is the master behind the works, and he admitted a long time ago that he thinks he was dead wrong about it all.
Not like conservatives care about facts or reality anymore. It seems they only care about propaganda and slander.
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Jonathan Hoenig is just one more corporate shill trying to get more bad business practice going on in this country and doesn’t love “capitalism”, he loves tyranny of the wealthy.
Jesus Christ stands firmly against this thinking, completely opposed to the pro-greed / pro-wealthy mentality.
This man has no respect for workers, no respect for the poor and no respect for the truth.
Let’s hear this fat-cat defender say these words: “jobless recovery”.
The mackerel-head can say “zombie-bureaucracy” but not anything that’s based in facts and not baloney they cooked up on a boiler-plate.
This is complete nonsense.
Just like all these vicious liars he is twisting words to suit his ends.
Jonathan Hoenig -
“Do you want them [the government] to control your life?”
AIG, the bonus-structures of bailed out companies, and GM are not “our lives” here in the US. We all work in jobs that are mostly unconnected to those big businesses and we still paid to save them–so damn right that we can control them via the federal government after they received so much of our money. If they are making their own damn money again they can do whatever they want with it again.
This is pure fear-mongering and it all relies on painting everyone not advocating another recession as “anti-capitalist” and it’s pure bullshales made up by people who either are getting paid to spread this poison or just plain hate the poor and hate Jesus with all their being.
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Colmes -
“Not everything is about Rush Limbaugh.”
Newsflash for this caller & all ditto-heads:
The right-wing is always on the same page and repeat one another word-for-word everyday. They are a regime of hate-memes and a dictatorship under dishonest-spin.
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I hate to psycho-babble, but the “sex industry” in a;; it’s forms will greatly dry-up the day that more women have a positive male role model in their lives.
Parker -
“I love my daddy.”
I’m sorry but it’s the solid truth. She was saying “it’s not cheating” and staying faithful is “not an option”. Like so many, it is likely that nobody she respects has ever had a committed relationship before her eyes. Most people want that once they see it, but some do not.
Colmes -
“At some point this gonna wear off, right?”
It usually does.
Parker -
“I‘m a smart girl.”
I’m sure she is. I would only say there is a difference between being “smart” and being “wise”.
I’m not sure of the “wisdom” in the assumption that no emotional value is attached to sexuality and intercourse.
It’s not a “myth” that more working girls are molested than other lines of work. A “cat-house survey” doesn’t really hold any weight. This assertion that was made that every women everywhere has been molested and just doesn’t talk about it is completely unfounded.
It is a fact. Not in all cases but many women doing this have molestation in their past. Sometimes at a very young age, a point at which any person can have trouble remembering. Let alone the matter of “repression of trauma”.
Hoff -
“You can‘t live up to it [commitment].”
No, Hoff can’t live up to it. Therefore, everyone must be just like him! Right?
I would like to be clear that the only people I have a problem with using The Bunny Ranch are the people are in a commitment and lying about being there.
Alan’s show is delayed by a few hours before it’s broadcast on my local station in Tucson, so by then the bad word didn’t make it through. It’s a shame that the caller, Rachel I think her name was, slipped and said a forbidden word so that Alan had to take her off the air. Because, as Alan said, it sounded like she was well on her way towards making a good point about the logic of legalizing prostitution. Guess we’ll never know, now.
JohnGalt:
I found the thread after all.
I asked you how you prove the cause effect relationship.
“What would you accept as proof? MSNBC acknowledging it? Pelosi acknowledging it?”
Is that how you prove cause effect relationships? By getting lots of people to acknowledge it?God, have you EVER done a science experiment or for that matter any kind of statistical experiment?
You’re response was “Profit is bad.Profit is bad.” etc….
Let me get this straight, I ask you to prove a cause effect relationship that YOU claimed, and you divert the topic to something else?
Is OK if that’s your response, just didnt think you would stick to dogma,belief over rational logic.
“In a fiat system, the insurance company that is “chosen” makes all the money. In a profit driven system, all companies compete and drive cost and price down.”
Oh look, it’s Mr. Ayn Rand once again trying to argue the case of the murderers and thieves of the insurance giants who have for their whole reason for existence the raping of the American consumer.
You had your day. Your failed policies drove us to the brink of global economic collapse. Free market capitalism is garbage. It’s crap. Because corporations will do everything in their power to subvert the system and eliminate all competition. Their greed is boundless. They’re like dogs who when presented with an unlimited supply of food will literally eat themselves to death.
So take your radical rightwing agenda and stuff it.
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“A 90 percent pay cut for bailed-out executives?”
Sounds good to me!
John Galt Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
How about a 90% pay-cut for the liberal lawmakers that caused this failure?
karthiks030977 Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
“How about a 90% pay-cut for the liberal lawmakers that caused this failure?”
And where’s your proof that liberal lawmakers caused this failure? Or are you pulling hypotheses and calling them facts? Have you been listening to Glenn Beck,Rush,Jarhead too long?
crh3e Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
actually with all due respect to Jared (everyone’s favorite Texan) he gets really upset when you blame one party and ignore what the other pary did, so watch out J.Galt he might read what you typed.
John Galt Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
And where’s your proof that liberal lawmakers caused this failure?
Because criminals can’t stay away from the scene of the crime.
OldLefty Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Of course, it didn’t have anything to do with Clinton’s economic team, Alan Greenspan and the Republican congress, then Bush’s economic team refusing to regulate the OTC derivative market, or the great desire of Wall Street for more and more mortgages to bundle and sell….as Bush said in 2002:
“Freddie Mac recently began 25 initiatives around the country to dismantle barriers and create greater opportunities for homeownership. One of the programs is designed to help deserving families who have BAD CREDIT HISTORIES to qualify for homeownership loans.
The other thing Kirbyjon told me, which I really appreciate, is you don’t have to have a lousy home for first-time home buyers. If you put your mind to it, the first-time home buyer, the low-income home buyer can have just as nice a house as anybody else. “
average james Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Phil Graham (R)
average james Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Bill Clinton (D) who signed Republican bills into law.
George W. Bush (R) who signed Republican bills into law, and later Democratic bills.
The SEC’s lax enforcement of existing law.
Greed in general. Greed.
karthiks030977 Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:52 pm
“And where’s your proof that liberal lawmakers caused this failure?
Because criminals can’t stay away from the scene of the crime.
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John: Pardon my being obtuse:
Do you have proof of the causative relationship? None of all that you pasted seemed to suggest proof.
How do you prove cause effect relationships in general? Appears to me you hypothesize a cause, and then chant it over and over and over.
John Galt Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:56 pm
How do you prove cause effect relationships in general?
What would you accept as proof? MSNBC acknowledging it? Pelosi acknowledging it?
Appears to me you hypothesize a cause, and then chant it over and over and over.
Profit is bad. Profit is bad. Profit is bad. Profit is bad. Profit is bad.
Profit has no place in health care. Profit has no place in health care. Profit has no place in health care.
Please.
average james Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Profit has no place in health care payment, agreed.
Humans first, profit somewhere down the line from that point.
placefield Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Profit is bad. Profit is bad. Profit is bad. Profit is bad. Profit is bad. (I don’t agree with that)
Profit has no place in health care. Profit has no place in health care. Profit has no place in health care. (now that has merit)
Both of these are opinions not proof to back up accusations. Big difference.
John Galt Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Humans first, profit somewhere down the line from that point.
Except that you don’t seem to have a concept of what profit does.
placefield Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Except that you don’t seem to have a concept of what profit does.
It puts money in someone’s pocket. Not a bad thing, in fact necessary to keep the economy going. But at what cost always needs to be considered at the same time.
average james Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:07 pm
errrummmm…….hmmmmmmmm
What ?
average james Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:11 pm
John,
What exactly does insurance company profit benefit patients, human patients.
It benefits insurance companies.
placefield Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Was that for me James?
average james Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:22 pm
No Place, it was for John.
Sorry for the confusion.
average james Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:31 pm
I’m of the mind, like Place, that profit is not a bad thing.
In fact it’s a good thing.
When it becomes the main thing ?
We are all screwed, at that point.
I think that profit has no place in the police department, fire department, CDC, interstate highways, the military, schools, etc. and health care for humans.
John Galt Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 8:16 pm
It puts money in someone’s pocket.
No. It acts as a signal. It signals the market to act in certain ways. It has nothing to do with money in people’s pockets.
It benefits insurance companies.
It hurts insurance companies. In a fiat system, the insurance company that is “chosen” makes all the money. In a profit driven system, all companies compete and drive cost and price down.
crh3e Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 8:25 pm
yeah john, except in the insurance industry there is virtually no competition to “drive cost and price down.” Do you agree with the Senate judiciary cmtee’s vote yesterday to strip insurance companies from protection from federal antitrust laws?
John Galt Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 8:29 pm
except in the insurance industry there is virtually no competition to “drive cost and price down.
Do you comprehend the difference between “cost of insurance” and “cost of medical care?”
crh3e Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 8:37 pm
ask a question instead of giving an answer-nice dodging there john. You still didn’t address the lack of competition in the health insurance industry.
placefield Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Here is an interesting article that was run in our local paper’s opinion section.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20091021/OPINION/910209928/1070?Title=Over-50-and-out-of-luck
This is from a Republican who does not appear to be in favor of the public option but is honest about the current state of our health care situation. If more republican (especially the ones in office) were thinking like this, they might come up with a plan that I would support. Until that happens a public option as a compromise for single payer will be what I support.
OldLefty Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 pm
You can also check out Trent Lott’s Senate Bill 1936 ,introduced after Katrina, which is a government subsidized public option for flood damage.
crh3e Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
you can buy “govt-run” flood insurance even if you know a hurricane is headed your way…..they can’t deny you even for that!
John Galt Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Do you agree with the Senate judiciary cmtee’s vote yesterday to strip insurance companies from protection from federal antitrust laws?
I don’t agree that they were ever “given” exemption from Federal Anti-Trust laws. I have yet to find a single example of a monopoly created in a natural scenario. It is only through government regulation that a monopoly, in the sense that I think you mean it, can exist.
If it were not for the morally reprehensible restrictions placed on the insurance companies in Maine, for example, there would not be a virtual monopoly there.
karthiks030977 Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:04 am
JohnGalt:
I found the thread after all.
I asked you how you prove the cause effect relationship.
“What would you accept as proof? MSNBC acknowledging it? Pelosi acknowledging it?”
Is that how you prove cause effect relationships? By getting lots of people to acknowledge it?God, have you EVER done a science experiment or for that matter any kind of statistical experiment?
You’re response was “Profit is bad.Profit is bad.” etc….
Let me get this straight, I ask you to prove a cause effect relationship that YOU claimed, and you divert the topic to something else?
Is OK if that’s your response, just didnt think you would stick to dogma,belief over rational logic.
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Hoenig is the most disgusting face on FOX.
The man is a pig, really. His face is one of the few on TV that only prompt me to get up and change the channel.
If the entire nation was going up in flames, Hoenig would be planning a way to make a buck off of the inferno while accusing the firefighters of being anti-capitalist swine.
Hoenig, I’m almost certain, posts here as “John Galt”.
anonymouse Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:42 pm
This Hoenig guy is an even bigger piece of work thant I’d thought he was …
http://www.capitalistpig.com/merchandise.html
$25-32 for a t-shirt? Do we have to ask if they’re at least “made in USA” by a union workforce? LOL.
anonymouse Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm
(I’m guessing the over-priced t-shirts are made in a Chinese sweatshop by slaves.)
anonymouse Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Hoenig looks back on “The Gilded Age” as the good ol’ days of uber-capitalism and looks on the robber barons of the time as the perfect Americans.
Maximize executive pay, and minimize working pay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gilded_Age
The Gilded Age was pretty easy on the robber barons but the rest of us paid a heavy price for their success.
Hoenig and those like him are a big part of what’s been wrong with the USA for the last decade or two or three.
Disgusting.
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:34 pm
I seem to be the only one here tonight, but …
I went to a strip joint near McAllen, TX once. The boys I was with thought they’d do me a favor and surprise me with a lap dance. They paid a little Latina girl whatever it was to take me to a dark bench along the back of the “bar” and … well, you know.
She was a cute kid … and just that, a kid. When we got to the back of the room, I gave her an extra $20 to keep her “clothing” on because even though she was an attractive young lady, I felt like an idiot. So, we sat and visited instead.
She was stripping to pay her way through community college. She was studying to be … a cop. I asked her what “the girls” thought of the men that passed through their establishment. She replied, “we think they’re morons”. After 1/2 hour, we parted ways and I wished her good luck with her studies.
I have a feeling most hookers feel the same way, whatever they try to tell you otherwise. The only winners in prostitution are the pimps. The hookers and the johns only lose.
jazmine Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:35 pm
That was admirable of you.
anonymouse Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:49 pm
It was always interesting to watch the Baptist and Mennonite boys cut loose in a strip joint. Some “wild and crazy guys”, those Bible thumpers are when they get away from home and the wife.
I never really got much from it but only because I couldn’t get around thinking the women thought what that young McAllen lady finally said about her customers: “we think they’re all morons.”
Colmes seems to enjoy his visits with the Bunny Ranch hookers. To me, it only seems like a sad way to make a living. The only winner is the pimp.
anonymouse Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 pm
I think if you looked into it, you’d find that most hookers have histories of drug/alcohol problems or of being abused.
They aren’t the “friendly girls looking for a good time and making a nice living at it” that Colmes seems to think they are and they aren’t the “tramps” that one caller just called his guest.
They’re only women making do with what opportunities present themselves to get through life.
jazmine Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:26 am
I don’t listen to Alans show, so I have no idea what the daily topic is, until someone posts something.
I’m all for legalizing prostitution, it gets rid of the middle man, the pimps. Another roach on society. These women should have a safe place of business, with regular check-ups and also contribute their share of taxes. Why hide the oldest profession, in the under-ground world.
Yes, many do come from torn,abusive and drug filled histories. That’s why these girls become easy prey for their pimps.
anonymouse Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:57 am
My passing experience with hookers (and yes, it’s only been in passing) was that their lots in life were nothing to celebrate.
The street near the Moulin Rouge in Paris is filled with sex shops. I assume prostitution was part of their business model and legalized (I only walked the street in front from one Metro stop to another).
I was hit up for business by a prostitute near Kings Cross in Sydney, Australia. An older lady, about 4-ft high. I didn’t even realize it was a “red light district” until … she offered. Did I mention she was about 4-ft high?
I walked through “Boy’s Town” after crossing the river into Mexico on the way into Reynosa or Matamoros. Boys Town there was at the edge of the city dump and apparently where all the Texas boys went for a good time. The main drag was lined with shacks, each shack had a porch where the “girls” displayed their wares.
I’ve seen “lot lizards” hanging around truck stops looking for business. Girls that couldn’t have been hardly driving age, let alone drinking age.
It’s all the same business. Hidden and illegal or mainstreamed, it’s all the same thing.
Well, except for the 4-ft high Aussie hooker. She was unique.
jazmine Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:22 am
Can’t say I have first hand knowledge of this business. Except for one instance in Mexico, where my husband and I walked into, (unknowingly)what we thought was a saloon. Nope, on stage were girls sitting on chairs, half clad(our eyes were still getting used to the darkness, so it took us a while to focus)…I guess the owners thought my husband wanted to sell me, I don’t look Mexican, so therefore they deemed me quite a prize. After much broken Spanish and a few broken bottles, we escaped and fled for the hills.
anonymouse Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:48 am
:)
Prostitution is not a healthy life anyone would walk into willingly.
I forgot to mention, the street in front of the Moulin Rouge and through the red light district next to it was filled with families. Mothers/fathers and their small children walking the street in front of shop windows filled with prostitutes peddling their wares.
The street was lit up like a carnival. It was just like walking Main Street at the State Fair except for … well, you know … there was more than funnel cakes, corn dogs and prize winning cows on display.
jazmine Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:11 am
lol, the Europeans have a much healthier outlook on this profession. It’s just who they are. Things are more open and accepting. I like that. But yes, it’s not a healthy career choice. Some of us by virtue of birth, are just luckier and have more choices.
Funnel cake?…I thought you were looking for a bagel?
EricG Reply:
October 24th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Yup. That’s what I’ve heard as well.
It’s all giggling and fun-fun-fun when these people are on the radio or on a camera but if you pull one of them aside and ask them what they think of that guy they are shaking their goodies in the face of … they think he is a sleaze or failing that just a loser.
I’d rather have women do all these same things, and more, because they want to and because they enjoy my company over the company of others.
But then again I’ve never gone to a strip club or picked up a “lady of the night”.
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Oh, look!! The F-word.
You didn’t hit the button fast enough!!!
libpatriot Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Alan’s show is delayed by a few hours before it’s broadcast on my local station in Tucson, so by then the bad word didn’t make it through. It’s a shame that the caller, Rachel I think her name was, slipped and said a forbidden word so that Alan had to take her off the air. Because, as Alan said, it sounded like she was well on her way towards making a good point about the logic of legalizing prostitution. Guess we’ll never know, now.
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:26 am
The bunny ranch people with cathouse did an adorable show where they did old fashioned song and dance burlesque numbers. I hope they do something like that again.
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:44 am
Sorry Alan I missed your show, but I’m reading up on Siberian mud pirates. Yup, they real…lol
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:49 am
“In a fiat system, the insurance company that is “chosen” makes all the money. In a profit driven system, all companies compete and drive cost and price down.”
Oh look, it’s Mr. Ayn Rand once again trying to argue the case of the murderers and thieves of the insurance giants who have for their whole reason for existence the raping of the American consumer.
You had your day. Your failed policies drove us to the brink of global economic collapse. Free market capitalism is garbage. It’s crap. Because corporations will do everything in their power to subvert the system and eliminate all competition. Their greed is boundless. They’re like dogs who when presented with an unlimited supply of food will literally eat themselves to death.
So take your radical rightwing agenda and stuff it.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:44 am
Conservatives continue to defend corporate greed with words like “common sense”.
The so-called “free market” they all envision is exactly what caused this recent recession. It’s not like these people care about anyone making less than them. They only care to spin the truth until it becomes hard to see that they are advocating having another recession.
The sooner Americans learn that conservatives economic ideals cause recessions, the better off we all will be.
Alan Greenspan is the master behind the works, and he admitted a long time ago that he thinks he was dead wrong about it all.
Not like conservatives care about facts or reality anymore. It seems they only care about propaganda and slander.
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Jonathan Hoenig is just one more corporate shill trying to get more bad business practice going on in this country and doesn’t love “capitalism”, he loves tyranny of the wealthy.
Jesus Christ stands firmly against this thinking, completely opposed to the pro-greed / pro-wealthy mentality.
This man has no respect for workers, no respect for the poor and no respect for the truth.
Let’s hear this fat-cat defender say these words: “jobless recovery”.
The mackerel-head can say “zombie-bureaucracy” but not anything that’s based in facts and not baloney they cooked up on a boiler-plate.
This is complete nonsense.
Just like all these vicious liars he is twisting words to suit his ends.
Jonathan Hoenig -
AIG, the bonus-structures of bailed out companies, and GM are not “our lives” here in the US. We all work in jobs that are mostly unconnected to those big businesses and we still paid to save them–so damn right that we can control them via the federal government after they received so much of our money. If they are making their own damn money again they can do whatever they want with it again.
This is pure fear-mongering and it all relies on painting everyone not advocating another recession as “anti-capitalist” and it’s pure bullshales made up by people who either are getting paid to spread this poison or just plain hate the poor and hate Jesus with all their being.
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Colmes -
Newsflash for this caller & all ditto-heads:
The right-wing is always on the same page and repeat one another word-for-word everyday. They are a regime of hate-memes and a dictatorship under dishonest-spin.
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I hate to psycho-babble, but the “sex industry” in a;; it’s forms will greatly dry-up the day that more women have a positive male role model in their lives.
Parker -
I’m sorry but it’s the solid truth. She was saying “it’s not cheating” and staying faithful is “not an option”. Like so many, it is likely that nobody she respects has ever had a committed relationship before her eyes. Most people want that once they see it, but some do not.
Colmes -
It usually does.
Parker -
I’m sure she is. I would only say there is a difference between being “smart” and being “wise”.
I’m not sure of the “wisdom” in the assumption that no emotional value is attached to sexuality and intercourse.
It’s not a “myth” that more working girls are molested than other lines of work. A “cat-house survey” doesn’t really hold any weight. This assertion that was made that every women everywhere has been molested and just doesn’t talk about it is completely unfounded.
It is a fact. Not in all cases but many women doing this have molestation in their past. Sometimes at a very young age, a point at which any person can have trouble remembering. Let alone the matter of “repression of trauma”.
Hoff -
No, Hoff can’t live up to it. Therefore, everyone must be just like him! Right?
I would like to be clear that the only people I have a problem with using The Bunny Ranch are the people are in a commitment and lying about being there.
October 24th, 2009 at 3:11 pm