eBay Refuses Fundraiser For Accused Tiller Killer
The attempt to use eBay to raise money for the accused murderer of abortion provider George Tiller, Scott Roeder (r), has been squelched by eBay.
“These materials contain hate messages, glorify violence against abortion doctors who provide constitutionally protected medical services, and instruct on means of violence, including bombing, of abortion clinics,” said Lee Thompson, an attorney for the Tiller family, in a letter sent to eBay on Tuesday and approved by Tiller’s widow, Jeanne Tiller. “We urge you to deny access to the resources of eBay for this reprehensible and vile ‘auction.’”
Regina Dinwiddie, who was ordered by a federal judge to not use her bullhorn within 500 feet of an abortion clinic in 1995, was going to donate the bullhorn to help her friend Roeder. Dinwiddie believes eBay is constitutionally mandated to run her auction, complaining, “They’re not only chilling the First Amendment of the Constitution, they’re raping the whole Constitution.”
eBay should probably not carry any auctions that provide assistance to people who are murderers OR if the material is pro-violence. And it’s their right to pull whatever they wish. But I’m curious if the reason it was pulled was because of the content or because of where the proceeds were going? From the quote it looks like it’s because of the pro-violence materials.
I’m curious: would some of you support auctions that raised money for convicted cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal?
But it is interesting: “violence against abortion doctors.” That could be restated: “violence against those who perform (lots of) violence.”
A fetus (infant) is pulled apart…is that not violent? Just a “medical procedure.” Strange. Just as slavery was just an “economic necessity.” I often wonder if people who support (or condone) mid-to-late-term abortion (for political reasons) even live in reality. Political blinders, at least.
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
“I often wonder if people who support (or condone) mid-to-late-term abortion (for political reasons) even live in reality.”
Obviously the majority of people do not live in your “reality,” and you should probably consider if your “reality” exists only inside your own head.
flap Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
“you should probably consider if your “reality” exists only inside your own head.”
I resemble that remark…
vegasman Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
What are some of the reasons for abortion do you know. How many are late term abortions.?
EricG Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
What about the violence of your side making threats against good people who work in clinics?
What about the hatred and threats you people make against people like myself who you view as “enemies” because we are Pro-Choice.
I think I am done with playing anything down the middle.
This stuff is so gross and so unintelligent on behalf of the anti-abortion movement that there is little left to say except that all this noise is un-American and completely fascist in nature.
I think all conservatives should have the state mandate them to get tattoos on their foreheads so we can identify them in public.
Maybe make them wear armbands, too.
And if they insist on trying to kill young, poor women then we need to perhaps imprison them until they see the flaws of their ways.
(j/k)
TDro319 Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
It never ceases to amaze me that the same people who refer to abortion as “violence against a fetus” have no problem with the unnecessary slaughter of living, breathing human beings in a war for profit.
Only children killed in war are not considered “murdered” or “violently slaughtered”. They are referred to as “collateral damage”. Has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
John Galt Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
It never ceases to amaze me that the same people who refer to abortion as “violence against a fetus” have no problem with the unnecessary slaughter of living, breathing human beings in a war for profit.
Try to separate the two: Are you saying that you would be pro-life if “the other guy” were not pro-war?
The two issues are not even related.
flap Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
“The two issues are not even related.”
TDro loves to misdirect…he thinks it somehow justifies killing unborn children if I’m pro-Iraq War. I’m really not that pro-Iraq War, anyway.
And since TDro is pro-WWII, he’s a hypocrite. I wonder how many American companies profitted off WWII?
TDro319 Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
“Try to separate the two: Are you saying that you would be pro-life if “the other guy” were not pro-war?”
What I’m saying is the people who are horrified by a woman’s right to choose, have no problem with the slaughter of post born children.
My problem with you, Flap, is your obsession with abortion.
You’re “really not that pro-Iraq War, anyway.”? Exactly what does that mean? Does that mean you love the killing but hate how much the war is costing your and your grandkids? Please explain.
As for me being a hypocrite; You may want to take a good long looke in the mirror to discover a real hypocrite.
One more thing. I NEVER said I was “pro-WWII”. You just like to make things up as you go along, don’t you? Maybe you can get a job at Fox “News”.
flap Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
“Please explain.”
Please explain to me why you said WWII was justified. Do you justify the murder of German civilians because of Hitler and Japanese civilians because of Hirohito? If you aren’t pro-WWII, then what are you? You’re a secret warmonger, TDro, admit it.
War and abortion are two separate arguments, which you love to conflate.
October 28th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Dimwittle. Oh yeah.
“Dinwiddie believes eBay is constitutionally mandated to run her auction…”
Sorry, Dimwit, we just went all through this with Limpbowel. Ebay’s got every right to accept or refuse your business at their sole discretion, and obviously they’ve decided you and your pals are a bunch of bloodsucking parasites who should go crawling back into the cesspool you crawled out of.
October 28th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
These people are pro-murder.
The sooner people see that those who are “pro-Life” are in fact pro-death and pro-murder, the better off we all will be.
flap Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
“The sooner people see that those who are “pro-Life” are in fact pro-death and pro-murder, the better off we all will be.”
Smoking the crack pipe again, I see. The essence of being truly “pro-life” (even though that’s a pep rally term that’s meaningless) is being against premeditated, purposeful killing of innocent life.
People who are for “reproductive rights” are the ones who sanction the death of innocent human beings as long as they’re inside a womb. Then they’re property, just like black people were as slaves! It’s great when we turn PEOPLE into PROPERTY! Is that what modernity has done? Cause us to regress in this area?
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
“Smoking the crack pipe again…”
And you know where to stick it.
EricG Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Smoking a “crack pipe” would be saying something like abortion should be illegal and then rejecting all the solid evidence that shows that sex education and community involved people helps reduce unwanted pregnancies.
That’s the so-called “pro-life” stance I hear all the time.
I think some folks are just into hating Democrats and liberals more than they ever cared about little babies.
They are monsters.
And I’m not so sure you’re any different from them, Flap.
You always flip out when someone mentions abortion but you really have nothing worthwhile to say on the topic. At all.
No, people who are for “reproductive rights” are true conservatives who don’t want the government coming into the woman’s womb and telling her how to manage her own body.
You really need to find a new cause. This one is a demonic agenda of fascism and hatred that is only going to get young, poor women killed if you were (you never ever will) get your way.
EricG Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
People are not property. Just like how you can’t own a woman’s mind to force her not to choose to have an abortion.
You always do the same thing, Flap.
I don’t respect your debate style or your level of intelligence.
You just repeat the same old things and then expect that those points will be accepted by others.
The issue is that we are not socialist-communist-fascists like you neo-conservatives are.
People have the right to make decisions outside of the state dictating their lifestyle to them.
Considering you blathering idiots spew nonsense about “socialism” and “communism” you might want to stop advocating for state-control over private lives of women.
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By the way, you wouldn’t talk about this or care as much if it actually affected you.
If you were a woman or had people in your life who might become pregnant at a very young age or with no means to take care of the child, you would have another angle on this.
It’s a position of arrogance and ignorance, being Anti-Choice.
flap Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
“You always flip out when someone mentions abortion but you really have nothing worthwhile to say on the topic. At all.”
What the hell am I supposed to say? Idiots like you don’t understand what human life is and refer to a human being as a “reproductive right” that can be killed or allowed to live on a whim.
And, by the way, all you say every time abortion comes up is “CONSERVATIVES ARE EVIL! I’M ERICG AND I THINK CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE PRO-LIFE ARE SCUM!” Oh, heck yeah, bro, you’re adding a whole lot to the dialogue. Nice work.
And your statement proves what an intractable leftist you are since I have said on numerous occasions that I’m in favor of keeping abortion legal 1st trimester. Isn’t that compromise? But extreme left-wingers such as yourself won’t budge on abortion because you’re either ignorant, evil, or perhaps both. I tend to think it’s ignorance. You must not understand that a BABY is growing inside of a mother. That must be a really hard concept to grasp. Do you know what a baby looks like during the 2nd trimester? Do you know that all organ systems are nearly fully formed by the end of the 2nd trimester? Do you even care? No, you’re more concerned with the false “right” to murder children as long as they’re 1) in utero and 2) your own children. It’s pathetic…abortion is the absolute worst that humanity has to offer the world.
“You really need to find a new cause.”
Your cause is complaining about how evil conservatives are and calling them names. Absolutely no progress is made. You rarely make sense between all the hatred you spew out. It’s pathetic, especially considering YOUR party controls the government. It’s all my fault, somehow, that YOUR President isn’t doing all that well, 10 months into his administration.
I’m just curious…have you ever taken biology? Just wondering if you understand what “human life” is, or if your political views blind you to basic reality and logic. Why is a fetus not a human being? Because it’s a bad political move to admit that? I mean, what makes a human a human? A birth canal? Legality is irrelevant because black people were considered property at one point. Murder is not moral.
The arrogance and ignorance comes from those who are so concerned that a baby might interfere with THEIR lives so they need the ability to kill their own damn child. The very height of arrogance and egocentrism. The ignorance comes from ignoring basic biology, which I don’t necessarily fault everyone for. I truly think some people don’t understand what an abortion entails.
“People are not property. Just like how you can’t own a woman’s mind to force her not to choose to have an abortion.”
‘And you can’t own a slaveholder’s mind and tell him not to own a slave.’ According to you, certain people are property. Until birth, a person is property. That is immoral, EricG. Treating people as property is grossly immoral.
“People have the right to make decisions outside of the state dictating their lifestyle to them.”
Then why can’t parents kill their infants? Do you have a right to make a decision to kill someone you dislike?
“If you were a woman or had people in your life who might become pregnant at a very young age or with no means to take care of the child, you would have another angle on this.”
A lot of women who are staunchly pro-life (much more so than I am) would find it VERY offensive and SEXIST for you to claim that if you’re a woman you somehow are automatically, or even more inclined to be, in favor of the right to murder your own children in utero. Very sexist (and very unliberal) of you.
Those who promote abortion will have to answer to the Almighty…I mean, what do I really care? Abortion doesn’t affect me personally all that much. I just think murder is deplorable and is most certainly the government’s business.
Murder is wrong, and equally immoral: whether it’s Roeder shooting a doctor or a late-term abortion doctor butchering children. It’s all vile, detestable, deplorable…assign whatever adjectives you wish.
vegasman Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
What are some of the reasons for abortion do you know. How many are late term abortions.?
flap Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
“How many are late term abortions?”
Lots are mid-to-late term. Using your same rationale, how many people have we tortured? A few? Why even worry about it?
TDro319 Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Now why concern yourself with the people who were tortured and may have died because of it, Flap. Maybe you should stick to championing against a woman’s right to choose.
flap Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
“Now why concern yourself with the people who were tortured and may have died because of it, Flap.”
It was just a FEW, TDro, just like a FEW babies being killed isn’t a big deal.
What is a woman “choosing”? Murder? If you dislike me and kill me, is that a “right” because you can CHOOSE to do it?
October 28th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
From the Washington Post 06/05/09:
“More than 88 percent of abortions are done in the first trimester, and most doctors will not perform them beyond 22 or 24 weeks because of moral qualms, social stigma, legal concerns, inadequate training or lack of experience.
Barely 1 percent of procedures are done after 21 weeks. At 37 weeks, a baby is generally considered full-term.”
flap Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
TDro, you are correct. 90% are done in the first trimester. If that’s the case, and you clearly must see that a 2nd trimester fetus is a human being, why wouldn’t you be for banning it 2nd and 3rd trimester? Wouldn’t that be a bipartisan compromise?
I like that: “social stigma”
Oh yeah, ya think? Butchering a baby should assign a wee bit of stigma?
“moral qualms”
Oh, gee, I wonder why? It’s a CHOICE! CHOICE shouldn’t require MORALITY! Who gives a flying flip what is being “chosen”? CHOICE! CHOICE!
October 28th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Dinwiddie believes eBay is constitutionally mandated to run her auction
I just wonder what part of the constitution she is looking at?
October 28th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
If the economy recovers, the American people will forget who got us in and who got us out of this great recession. Therefore the following elections will be about abortion (favoring republicans). I, as a democrat, do not like abortion. What the Dems (or Obama) should do is to propose a bill that will reduce and limit abortions to victims of rape and incest. This will not overturn the supreme court and will put hypocrite republicans in a ditch. And it will make Dems look very good in the coming elections.
I hope the media picks up on this comment.
burqa Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
About the only good thing about the abortion issue is it is a big, stinky albatross around the necks of conservatives. It exposes them for the peeping Toms they are and the lengths they will go to invade the privacy of others.
People resent that sort of nosy Parker and know that those waving their fingers at others are probably doing so because they can’t stand the spotlight being on THEM and it is a defensive measure to deflect from some horrid moral failings….
TDro319 Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
“What the Dems (or Obama) should do is to propose a bill that will reduce and limit abortions to victims of rape and incest.”
I beg to differ, Victor. Women will always find ways of terminating an unwanted pregnancy. If Roe v. Wade were to be overturned, women would have to resort to back alley abortions performed in unsanitary conditions by unqualified practitioners, just like they did in the past. Legalized abortion simply gives women who choose to terminate their pregnancy a safe place to have it done and qualified doctors performing the service.
October 28th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
One good thing about the Neil Boortz show is you can talk about anything you want except abortion.
it’s just more from conservatives who want government beltway bureaucrats barging into the examining room to tell other people what to do and hopefully getting a gander at some nekkid wimmen….
flap Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
“One good thing about the Neil Boortz show is you can talk about anything you want except abortion.”
See, that’s weaseling away from an issue. It makes me chuckle when Alan gets flustered after the abortion comes up over and over again…but I appreciate that Alan doesn’t prevent that topic from being discussed.
I mean, just because it’s controversial and it’s unlikely that many people will be swayed doesn’t mean it’s not an extremely important issue of our time.
October 28th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
flap
In the United States, 9 out of 10 abortions are performed in the first 12 weeks (first trimester) of pregnancy. Most of these are done within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy.
Lots are mid-to-late term so you are wrong flap
burqa Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 12:55 am
If you needed to decide on cancer treatment for your child, would you have a beltway bureaucrat who doesn’t have “M.D” after his name whom you have never even met take that decision for you?
Ok, then why do you want those same bureaucrats in the examining room telling women in the stirrups what medical decisions they have to take?
Maybe you want to apply for a bureaucrat job so you can get a peek, eh?
flap Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
“Lots are mid-to-late term so you are wrong flap”
10% are 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions. How many abortions are done yearly? Take 10% of that. That’s “lots” of babies being killed.
Percentage-wise it’s small, but it’s still way too many. We’re supposed to be a “progressive” or “enlightened” society and we still kill our own children? It doesn’t make a bit of sense, especially from liberals.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:50 am
Someone explain this to me..
(Using Wiki so I haven’t checked the original source)
86 abortions per month are late-term.
(From Institute of Medicine)
1500 people die per month because they had no medical insurance.
Why do Conservatives care so much for the former and so little for the latter?
October 30th, 2009 at 4:13 pm