Randall Terry Can’t Decide If He Has Sympathy For Alleged Tiller Killer
October 30th, 2009, 2:51 PM EDT
Operation Rescue co-founder Randall Terry, who admits to being a regular Liberaland reader (which thrills me no end), couldn’t answer when I asked him if he had sympathy for Scott Roeder, the man accused of killing abortion provider George Tiller. And Terry was shocked to find out that James Dobson’s Focus on the Family provides its employees with health care through an insurance company that covers abortion services.
RightWingWatch wonders if Terry will now show up in Colorado Springs with a sea of bullhorns.
Would you have sympathy for someone who murdered a slaveholder because a slaveholder abused or killed slave “property”? Same analogy.
Sympathy is not the correct word. Murder is wrong, whether it be by someone like Roeder killing a doctor, or Tiller himself, slicing and dicing late-term “groups of non-human cells.”
I mean, most reasonable people fully understand the visceral reaction to something as horrendous, inhuman, and despicable as late-term abortion. But, two wrongs do not make a right. Roeder had absolutely no right to kill Tiller.
Being pro-life means being against the murder of innocents, not FOR it. People who abhor abortion need to work to get laws changed. Violence is not the answer, even against those who commit horrendous, unspeakable violence against the most innocent among us.
flap Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
“Randall Terry, who admits to being a regular Liberaland reader (which thrills me no end)”
I sense a weeee bit of sarcasm, Alan…
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Well there you go Flap, you and Mr. Terry can become BFF’s.
flap Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Insofar as Terry thinks that murdering unborn children is morally wrong, I entirely agree with him. Don’t you?
Oh, I forgot, the specious, nonsensical “choice” argument, which has very little basis in fact or logic.
Why do we prosecute people who kill infants? Let’s chalk it up to choice! Woo-hoo!
EricG Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 4:55 pm
I am giving you a “cyber-womb” as of this instant.
Now if you have “cyber-sex” you will have a “cyber-baby”.
And now that you care about logic and facts we can finally have a discussion.
Your facts are wrong.
Most people against abortion have in fact never dealt with the issue and the raw truth is ugly, but not the way you think.
the fact of the matter is many so-called “pro-lifers” when faced with family members pregnant at a young age or with no money to care for the child suddenly become intensely pro-abortion in regards to forcing this person to get an abortion ASAP. Usually they don’t want the neighbors to know. They are so worried about what Flap would say about them, they tell the child / poor family member that they have NO CHOICE.
You are working with bad facts.
The issue of “choice” goes both ways, not like you really care based on that which you say.
But women should be able to choose life and choose adoption and choose getting unto a govt support net.
But under your so-called “solution” there is no option except your singular goal.
It is not right for society and now that you have a “cyber-womb” maybe you understand a little.
You and I are not going to get pregnant, thus our rantings on what other people should do with their bodies is not the point.
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Congratulations! It’s a cyber-boy!
TDro319 Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
“or Tiller himself, slicing and dicing late-term groups of non-human cells.”
Yeah. I remember Tiller stalking pregnant women and holding a gun to their heads, forcing them to have abortions.
“Oh, I forgot, the specious, nonsensical “choice” argument”
So why don’t you turn your anger towards the women who choose abortion and stop trashing murdered doctors who did nothing wrong and did not deserve to die.
flap Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
“Yeah. I remember Tiller stalking pregnant women and holding a gun to their heads, forcing them to have abortions.”
Look, I hope to GOD that Tiller actually thought he was doing good for his patients and wasn’t doing anything repugnant. I find it hard to believe, but I hope so. Bernard Nathanson, who founded NARAL and is now staunchly against abortion (who himself performed 75,000 abortions) knew he was doing something evil. “There I was throwing kids in the garbage, five or six a week.”
“So why don’t you turn your anger towards the women who choose abortion and stop trashing murdered doctors who did nothing wrong and did not deserve to die.”
I’m not angry at anyone. I’m angry at the fact that we allow mid-to-late term abortions to be legal. Tiller may have not done anything LEGALLY wrong (which is probably up for debate), but neither did slaveholders when they abused their slave “property” before it was abolished. Morally wrong, TDro, morally wrong.
TDro319 Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 4:06 pm
“Morally wrong, TDro, morally wrong.”
So is invading a country and killing it’s citizens for profit. You don’t see the immorality in that?!? You’re not angry that our soldiers are dying for nothing? That innocent children are dying for nothing? Geez! At least show some compassion for the post-born, for a change!
TDro319 Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Do you know what else is morally wrong?? Torture! And allowing 43,000 people to die a year because they can’t afford the extortion prices charged by unregulated insurance companies.
But nope! It’s more important to bring others into the world so they can suffer like the rest of ‘em – and maybe fight and be killed in an unnecessary war so Flap doesn’t have to.
EricG Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Flap is so ignorant and unable to make good arguments that he constantly goes to the “slavery card”.
Just another bigot for un-American policies of anti-poor and anti-society agendas.
There are not strong enough words for people such as this. “Liars” and even “terrorists” doesn’t cut it. Not strong enough.
October 30th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
“…most reasonable people fully understand the visceral reaction…”
Yeah, most people have these same “visceral reactions” to videos of open heart surgery, and cattle being slaughtered in slaughterhouses, and to the chest-buster scenes in the Aliens movies.
That’s why we don’t legislate based on visceral reactions. Governance requires people with intellects exercising their brains to think. And advocating for laws based on two thousand year old fairy tales is as idiotic as the Roman senate declaring Augustus Caesar a god.
flap Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
“for laws based on two thousand year old fairy tales”
Why are you dragging religion into this?
“Yeah, most people have these same “visceral reactions” to videos of open heart surgery, and cattle being slaughtered in slaughterhouses, and to the chest-buster scenes in the Aliens movies.”
Haha, good lines. No, we shouldn’t make laws on visceral reactions. But visceral reactions can also reflect the horrific nature of what is being reacted to. Murder is wrong…laws should prevent murder. If an unborn child is being murdered, laws should be in place to stop that. Very simple.
TDro319 Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 4:25 pm
” If an unborn child is being murdered, laws should be in place to stop that. Very simple.”
Absolutely! We should force these women to go into back alleys for abortions like they did in the old days. At least the mothers chances of dying from complications greatly increase. Hey! It’s a two-fer! The mother dies along with the fetus!
And I don’t think it should be considered murder! Maybe you can call it “unintentional euthanasia”. Hmmm, it has a nice ring to it. Like “collateral damage”
EricG Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 4:35 pm
What is the point of laws if Republicans will just circumvent them to suit their agendas?
We killed plenty of unborn children with our bombs over Iraq and Afghanistan.
Little babies in the womb blown into pieces by American bombs.
Cry about that tonight, Flap.
There is no point to making abortion illegal. If you want to combat the issue start counseling youth and offering assistance to groups who tackle the problem instead of trashing other people and calling that a “perspective on life”.
It’s not. You don’t help anyone or do anything but spread hate with all that you do.
I think you don’t care about children or the poor or anyone except your own kind.
That’s what I think of you.
You are the kind of person who would let a child starve to death because you didn’t want to pay for a loaf of bread but you presume to be so dishonest as to try and sell yourself as someone who cares about life. Except only unborn life, and only those in America, and only those who are not liberals, and only those who can pay their own way.
It’s immoral. Your stance, it’s sinful and wrong.
The sooner you see this the better off you will be as a man and as a being.
Your love dries up when someone wants health care as an adult fallen on hard times, but is so present when a unborn child is the issue.
Hypocrite. Of the highest order.
EricG Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
You should listen to words out of your own mouth.
You yourself often get into biblical reasons for why abortion should be stopped.
Are you maybe … playing a trick?
Spinning much today, Flap?
jimwalsh2001 Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I resent the comparison of Christianity to “fairy tales”:
Fairy tales are innocent fun, and for the most part far better reads than any of the dreck in your major religious tomes.
Don’t be blaspheming Mother Goose, baby…
October 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Terry was lying through his slimy teeth.
He has spent plenty of time thinking about Dr. Tiller.
He was impassioned enough to call him a “son a of bitch” when asked about it.
I’m sure he was lying when he said he never thought about it before.
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Randall Terry is an evil man who cares nothing for the truth and cares nothing for life. Just a domestic terrorist with an agenda of destruction and violence.
EricG Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 4:45 pm
In his “shock” he can opt to adopt a few of those babies.
Randal Terry can take on two or three children without going bankrupt, thus he should be forced to by law.
just like how these un-American cretins want to make abortion illegal, I say they it should be illegal to promote illegal abortion minus the government mandated adoption process from all so-called “pro-lifers”.
You might have to sell your house and sell your car and empty out your 401K but you will be mandated by law to care for these children and failure to care for them properly would result in jail time and fines.
Just like they want to isolate, control and entrap women we should give them the same benefits they wish on others.
Every time Randal Terry opens his mouth (and people like Flap agree with his hate-mongering) they just signed themselves for a minimum of two children they will raise with their own private funds with no help from the govt except to punish them and invade their homes at any time to check up on the kids.
No options, no freedom, no liberty, no discussion.
Everyone against this concept hates Jesus and is godless and is pro-abortion.
Everyone.
October 31st, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I know a few women who had abortions and I do not think the big government zealots who want bureaucrats taking medical decisions for women would call those women murderers to their faces.
The fact is, very few in the anti-abortion crowd really do think abortion is murder.
The guy who murdered Tiller really thought abortion was murder and so did Eric Rudolf.
They acted on the belief that it is ethically moral to kill in order to prevent the deaths of more people. Indeed, such a standard requires we act to prevent mass murder if we can.
The rest who don’t do as Tiller’s killer or Eric Rudolf did are a bunch of posers.
Otherwise they would be out doing the same thing according to their own stated ethical and moral beliefs.
TDro319 Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 2:54 pm
“The fact is, very few in the anti-abortion crowd really do think abortion is murder.”
Of course, maybe they’re afraid of receiving the same fate as Paul Hill.
On December 6, 1994, Hill was sentenced to death by lethal injection under Florida law for mercilessly gunning down a doctor and his body guard.
Gotta love those “pro-life” values!
October 31st, 2009 at 5:29 pm