On Monday’s Radio Show…
November 2nd, 2009, 6:00 PM EST
• Former Religious Right activist Frank Schaeffer, whose latest book is Patience with God, says Republican paranoia caused the conservative revolt in the NY-23 congressional race. He’ll tell Alan why.
• Does the H1N1 vaccine shortage prove that America is underprepared for a bioterrorist attack? Former Sen. Bob Graham, who chairs the Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism, shares his concerns with Alan.
• How crazy can they get? Alan shakes his head at the latest example of wingnuttery in Washington.
Does the H1N1 vaccine shortage prove that America is underprepared for a bioterrorist attack?
More to the Rep Foxx’ point; it proves that the Government is underprepared for a government run health care system.
OldLefty Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:45 pm
“Does the H1N1 vaccine shortage prove that America is underprepared for a bioterrorist attack?”
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Better tell that to Sanofi Pasteur, Novartis, MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline and CSL who claim the vaccine is difficult to grow, and their yields are low.
crh3e Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:54 pm
John, life is gonna bite you in the butt one day if you live long enough to get Medicare because all this talk of yours that the govt can’t deliver healthcare will make you look like a fool.
crh3e Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm
But don’t take that from me, just live long enough and you’ll figure out. BTW I’m a healthcare worker at a state facility delivering premium govt healthcare to the disabled/deformed. In your world of private enterprise, these people would’ve been dumped in group homes long ago and wouldn’t be living today. But you say we can’t legislate away death, so who cares about the right to “LIFE!?!”
TDro319 Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
What you fail to realize, crh3e, is that to conservatives, the “right to life” only pertains to fetuses. I honestly think they couldn’t care less about the lives of the post-born.
crh3e Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:55 pm
I have had those thoughts in the past and, yes, it is tempting to believe all conservatives don’t see past the third trimester, but I don’t want to write off all conservatives like that.
flap Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
“the “right to life” only pertains to fetuses.”
Yes, TDro, I don’t believe that murderers should be prosecuted. Good grief…everyone has a right to live. It’s what the Constitution says. Conservatives don’t condone murdering people, inside OR outside the womb. I’m not sure how a womb became a potential death chamber. Pretty sad, really. Why does pregnancy give you the right to kill your own child? How did that come about?
It’s people like you who believe that groups of human beings are property. People like you supported slavery as a supposed “right.”
What do you say to people like Ron Paul who are against most all war AND abortion? Which, to a degree, I agree with. What is your argument then, when you can’t misdirect and change the subject?
crh3e Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:02 pm
when Mr. Paul talks of big govt and neverending wars, I am fascinated like wow a conservative who gets it!
TDro319 Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:43 pm
“People like you supported slavery as a supposed ‘right.’”
I’m a liberal, I believe in equality for all. I do, however, have my doubts about you.
As for Ron Paul? He’s against ALL killing. I give the guy credit for sticking to his principles, unlike you who likes to choose who should die and who should live.
“Conservatives don’t condone murdering people”
Really??? Is that why you cheerleaded Bush’s unnecessary war in Iraq which took thousands of lives (some of them may have been soon-to-be mothers)?? Wow! I guess your idea and my idea of “condoning murdering people” differ greatly.
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TDro319 Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
“Pretty sad, really. Why does pregnancy give you the right to kill your own child? How did that come about?”
I’ll tell you exactly how that came about. Abortion is nothing new. It’s been going on for a long time. The problem is, it was once illegal and women would seek out unqualified practitioners working in unsanitary conditions to have an abortion.
Many of the women died (along with their fetuses) from complications due to getting substandard care illegally. This law was enforced in an effort to give women a clean, safe environment to have abortions. She may lose the baby, but her life would be spared.
Now, if you think death is justification for women because of their choice, you’re more heartless than I’d imagined.
jasperjava Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:51 pm
It’s people like you who believe that groups of human beings are property. People like you supported slavery as a supposed “right.”
Errr… What is THAT about?
Those who supported slavery were conservatives, most of whom supported the “conservative” party of the time, which was the Democrats.
Then a new radical left-wing bleeding-heart liberal political party that called themselves the Republican Party came into being to actively oppose the institution of slavery.
The Republican Party didn’t become “conservative” (pro-business) until Taft, and they didn’t become the party of racist conservatives until the sixties, when the racist Dixiecrats abandoned the Democratic Party en masse.
You’re confusing “Republican” and “conservative”. In the first few decades of its existence, the Republican Party was undoubtedly liberal, far to the left of the Democrats.
flap Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
“Those who supported slavery were conservatives”
I don’t necessarily accept the premise, but it’s irrelevant. I’m not talking conservative/liberal, I’m talking about supporting a supposed “right” that relegates people to property status. Unborn child. Black person. Both property. Insanity.
“Now, if you think death is justification for women because of their choice, you’re more heartless than I’d imagined.”
You don’t believe I have a heart, anyway, since I’m conservative, so what does it matter? I reject the word “choice” but I’ve said repeatedly that pregnancy should NOT be a death sentence…for the baby OR the mother. That does not require killing the child. Deliver the baby if necessary. Why should the baby be killed? How is that a right? If you believe that killing children is a privacy right, you’re more heartless than I imagined.
“it was once illegal”
Do you have any idea why it was illegal? Liberal women have this crazy idea that I care what they do with their lives. I really don’t. I couldn’t care less. However, when your “choices” remove the LIFE of another human being, intentionally, that can’t be tolerated. That’s a fundamental right…LIFE. It’s hard to get healthcare if you’re not alive, you know?
EricG Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:20 am
Rep Foxx is absolutely insane.
And that is being “nice” about it.
She is out-to-lunch and not coming back to the sanity-table, ever.
It strikes me as odd that you want to attach yourself to someone clearly making wild assertions based only on internal perspectives.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Someone should take a survey some evening of Colmes’ callers and their political leanings.
The conservative:librul ratio is seriously out of whack here. On shows like Limbaugh, Beck or BillO the ratio is near 100:1 and I’m being generous with the “1″.
Colmes manages to score similarly, oddly.
EricG Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:15 am
They don’t (supposedly) let through the liberals who want to question the patriotism of Limbaugh or ask Glenn Beck if he really raped that girl or not.
That’s all I have to say if I call their shows. Nothing they want to out on the air.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:19 am
the fact that you keep bringing up the Glenn Beck rape issue just proves what I’ve being saying the last couple of days.
It’s an admitted hoax the entire issue was made up in order to mock him.
check your internets.
November 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 am
The wingnuts point out insurer profit margins of 2% or whatever but they don’t make an effort to define what period their figures are for.
I’d guess the figure is for this year and only low because the insurance company stock market investments have suffered. A profit margin of 5-10% is probably more typical.
Regardless, year after year the private health insurers pay out in claims 80% of what they take in. 20% disappears into somewhere other than health care.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 am
well if you want someone to pay your bills for you, you usually have to pay them for their services.
TDro319 Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
True, and we DO pay insurance companies. Unfortunately they don’t hold up their end of the bargain when they deny claims.
The insurance companies are simply in business to make money – nothing else. And if that means allowing others to die to turn a profit, so be it.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:47 pm
and then they get sued…
I don’t think it should have to go that way, and I think there’s probably something we could do to expedite such disputes (my brand of tort reform) make a claim, everybody gets a day to review the facts, they argue the next day and the judge renders his decision after a brief recess.
all appeals are heard within a week.
I don’t think insurance companies are saints, but when I weigh the pros and cons I like my chances better if I sue the insurance company vs. the federal govt.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:48 pm
correction.
and they get sued…
I don’t think it should have to come to a lawsuit, but if it does….
burqa Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
TORT REFORM?
No authentic conservative would be in favor of tort reform.
Students of right-wing economic icon Thomas Sowell would recognize court awards are just a form of “the market” taking decisions and the conservative thing to do is get the govrnment out of the way and allow the market to function.
Soon enough there will be a reaction in the market and doctors will get it together to where the courts award less because there will be no cause to give larger damage awards.
A TRUE conservative would want the government to get out of the decisions being taken by the market…
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:00 pm
government exists to redress wrongs in contractual obligations and keep the peace.
even libertarians believe in govt. running courts for the purpose of ruling on contractual obligations.
and I’m not an “authentic conservative” I’m me. I’m pretty conservative on the whole, but I espouse to no group or ideology.
go ahead and test me.
Debby Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Interesting…A poster on the MAH (Unconfirmed By Me)stated the Insurance Company takes 37% off the top of what they collect, and the Canadian Government takes 3% off the top for Administrtive Duties and my Insurance Agent says Not For Profit Blue Cross Blue Shield takes 10% and he was arguing with me,in favor of the For Profit Insurance and saying that 10% is not a good sign since it shows how close to costs they run. My thinking of course, was…If Social Security is able to collect 2.66 Trillion in one year (2008), just think how much the Insurance Industry Collects. Now, what I don’t have is the total cost of Health Care in this Country..not factoring in the what the Insurance Company collects. If in fact they are collecting 37%, well thats a hefty %. The right arguing in defense of the Insurance Industry, does not surprize me. I have been saying all along , they are protecting the Insurance Companies!
Debby Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Funny too…..My Insurance Agent did not have the percentage of For Profit Insurance but had the percentage for not For Profit. He also told me, the whole problem with costs was because of Malpractice law suits and that would not change because all in Washington are Lawyers.My mouth dropped open in shock and then, He was unable to give me an amount of how much the Insurance Industry collects from Doctors and their staffs for Malpractice coverage and how much they pay out. Funny..eh?
November 3rd, 2009 at 12:40 am
• Former Religious Right activist Frank Schaeffer, whose latest book is Patience with God, says Republican paranoia caused the conservative revolt in the NY-23 congressional race. He’ll tell Alan why.
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Republican paranoia!?! Never heard of such a thing…
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:12 am
I think Alan said it best about the right wing (and left) radio Hosts being simply “entertainers”. It’s like wrestling. Entertaining, but it should not be taken too seriously, or influence your life. That said, I am really grateful to nut jobs Like Limbaugh and Beck, considering all the folks they send to the Dem. side of the road. Recently, the GOP has tried to figure out a way to divorce the right wing wackos from their ranks, simply because they don’t like being blended into the crazy pot. The nut cases respond by saying they are actually NOT republicans, but “conservatives”
(no such party)
Consider just for a moment the people crackpots like Limbaugh have alienated.
1. Women.. he calls successful independent women “femi-nazi’s” Good line Rush, and way to go turning off half of the voters.
2. Veterans..He’s a draft dodger, thats old news, but when he called a wounded veteran a “phoney soldier” just because he was against the war, he reached a new level of contempt.
3. People of color. The “Barack the magic negro”song was amazingly brazen and offensive. Yeah I know, and I don’t care who wrote it or recorded it..it’s still offensive, and Rush knew it would be. The ratings went sky high over that. It’s all about ratings, and if he needs to bring race into the issue, he dosen’t have a problem with it.
4. Even the handicapped. Who can forget how he started shaking and making fun of Michael J. Fox’s parkinsons desease, and insisting that Fox was faking his ailment. A new low in broadcast history.
5. Anyone with the slightest care and consideration for the planet. Rush says the Left is trying to take away your SUV, and global warming is a lie.
6. Christians, I find this particularly annoying. During his show he states that he “Is intelligence on loan from God”. He calls the president the “messiah” and “the annointed one”. (good job pissing off the christian right)
7. and for anyone he missed, he covers the rest with statements like “Excersize will not make you lose weight” (particularly offensive to my wife the fitness trainer), and “second hand smoke is not a health hazard”
If you tune in to his show, you help his ratings. It’s that simple. If you really dislike or are offended by BS he spews you E-mail or write his sponsors telling them you will never support their product, and demand your local stations stop supporting racist radio. Otherwise you simply play into his ratings game.
Daddio Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:04 am
Luv2lift48–
Point 1–He does not call successful independent women “feminazis”. That title is solely for women who are in the NOW gang. Or as Rush puts it, the “National Organization of Gals”
Point 2–The “phoney soldier” was taken from a man who claimed to be a soldier. Therefore this person was a “phoney soldier”
Point 3–”Barack the majic negro” was not coined by Rush. He borrowed this phrase. I don’t remember who first said this.
Can’t comment on point 4.
Point 5–The environmental wackos out there do want to take all the SUVs off the road. And man made global warming is a myth. The earth has actually been cooling the past 10 years. That is why the global warming kooks changed the termonology to climate change.
Point 6–Rush has never said he “Is intelligence on loan from God”. What he has said and does say is his “talent on loan from God.” Which is in fact a true statement. Our individual talents are a gift or a loan from God. Oprah said that Obama is “the One”. Liberals look to Obama as their “Messiah” or their “annointed one”.
Point 7–Exercise alone will not help you lose weight unless you stick to a sensible eating plan. So Rush is technically right. And I believe that second hand smoke is so diluted that the effects on another are very minimal, and therefore not a health hazard.
“Racist radio”?!! Attack the person and not his message or his facts. Typical liberal tactic. If Rush is a racist, a liar, or spreading false infromation then attack those items with documented proof of his misleading information.
But the liberal tactic of personal destruction is so much easier for you.
I listen to his show. Over 20 million people listen weekly. So call his sponsers if you wish. With over 20 million listeners weekly you have a huge and heavy burden on you hands. Rotsa Ruck fella.
OldLefty Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:26 am
The point is Daddio, Limbaugh is to many the quintessential example of the typical GOP projection.
The great “patriot” is constantly trashing America.
The family values guys who can not keep a marriage.
The multi millionaire who promotes the interests of other multi millionaires while calling his boogey men the elites.
The guy who got out of military service (they DO take you with a pilonidial cyst), while trashing the service of those who served.
The “law and order” guy who his a drug addict and got his maid to score drugs for him.
I wouldn’t brag about his audience, people like shock jocks and the ratings for Jerry Springer and cheesey reality shows are much greater than those of science and nature shows on pbs and the history channel.
Actually Limbaugh more closely resembles the Talibs and Father Coughlin than anything else…
And he wads NOT able to stop McCain from the nomination or effect the riots in Denver he said he wanted, or weaken Obama for the 08 election.
He IS just the little man behind the curtain.
Daddio Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:31 am
Rush is a great patriot who loves America. Not once on his radio show of 21 years has he trashed America. NOT ONCE. He is opposing the America that Obama want to fundementally turn it into. An America that our founding fathers would never recognize. An America that our founding fathers fought and died for will no longer exist if Obama gets his agenda through.
Wake up people. Open your eyes! Look at what this man is trying to do to our America!!
OldLefty Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:37 am
I see Limbaugh as someone who who only loves an America that confirms to what is good for Rush, otherwise he seems to not understand America.
Again, When WE said, “Wake up people. Open your eyes! Look at what BUSH/CHENEY are trying to do to our America!!…”
An America that our founding fathers would never recognize. An America that our founding fathers fought and died for will no longer exist if BUSH gets his agenda through…….”
WE were called unAmerican, and said to be always be trashing America.
It’s just by the right’s definition, “UNAMERICAN means disagreeing with Republican policy.
jasperjava Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Rush is a great patriot who loves America. Not once on his radio show of 21 years has he trashed America. NOT ONCE.
He constantly bashes many of the fundamental values that make America great: social progress, tolerance for diversity, freedom of choice, etc.
He is opposing the America that Obama want to fundementally turn it into. An America that our founding fathers would never recognize. An America that our founding fathers fought and died for will no longer exist if Obama gets his agenda through.
Earth to Daddio: the Founding Fathers would not recognize today’s America no matter what Obama does. They would be bewildered by automobiles and flying machines. They lived in an agrarian society and would be shocked at the industrial powerhouse the nation has become.
Most of all, they would not recognize an America where Black people could be free to live out their dreams, or where women could vote and actively participate in governing and the economy, where communications occur at the speed of light right around the globe.
Not all change is bad, Daddio. If you would prefer to live in a backward agrarian society where women and minorities are practically chattel, I suggest you move to someplace like Afghanistan.
Wake up people. Open your eyes! Look at what this man is trying to do to our America!!
Our WHITE America, Daddio?
jasperjava Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
About the “phony soldiers” comment, Media Matters has the transcript. It’s pretty clear that he’s referring to any soldier who opposes the Iraq War, but read it and judge for yourself.
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:52 am
I am just wondering?? If Limbaugh “loves” America so much…then why did he run when his draft number came up? This was a real chance to serve the country he “loves” and by the way our founding fathers were rich slave owners. But I digress..keep listening..it’s what he wants, and what america needs..more ammunition that sends more people over to “our” side.. Enjoy your 17 percent amigo. Sore losers..LOL
burqa Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:40 pm
The reason why was a butt blister.
Randi Rhodes had the same thing, but still went in the service.
The medical term is “pilonidal cyst” and if you google it, the pictures are pretty nasty looking…
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:36 am
And by the way..for those of you who cannot stomach listening to Limbaugh on the air..just come back here after his show is over, and whatever he said will be faithfully parroted word for word, line for line. Including such beloved terms as “drive by state controlled media”. Oh and Daddio..Rush did not “coin” the phrase “Barack the magic negro”, he actually played a song with that title/lyrics over and over again ad nauseum while he jumped up and down like an idiot.(look it up on youtube along with him making fun of a person with parkinsons) Of course later (as usual), we completely misunderstood him..he’s not really a racist, and saying “I hope he fails” dosen’t really mean he hopes the president fails. I mean really if you wanna be a racist, go ahead, don’t back pedal later
Southern Girl Lib Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pm
And I will add:
Calling our president a little black man child (i.e. BOY) is not racist, no siree Bob.
burqa Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:47 pm
I listen to Limpbaugh from time to time as well as Manatee.
The reason why is because right-wingers are generally very slow to learn and need a lot of repetition. Usually the gestation period is about 3 days.
So when Limpbaugh or Manatee come up with something new, it gives me about a three-day lead in order to look up the actual facts and have them ready on my other boards when the glassy-eyed zombies post.
Besides the blatant racist remarks, Limpbaugh more frequently skates right up to the edge to where he is about to say something, but stops. Everyone knows what would have come next.
In that way he appeals to the right-wing-racists without saying something that will create contoversy.
When he does make the news for such a comment, pay attention to whatever else is going on.
He does this in a calculated way, usually to draw attention to himself when one of his favorites is under fire. He knows he will not lose his audience, but that the diversion will get people to pay far less attention to, something else…
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:04 am
Not sure, but I think it was on Monday’s show that one of those ‘talk-but-don’t-listen conservatives brought up the Oct. 12, 2000 attack on the USS Cole.
Alan, there is a stronger argument.
The reason the Clinton administration did not respond is because they were not certain as to who did it.
All anyone has to do is check the 9/11 Commission Report, paying close attention to the footnotes, particularly footnote 179 from page 202 and you’ll see that as late as March 27, 2001, the CIA not sure it was al Qaeda.
Also, after the attack on the Cole, the righties were yelling that any response would be a cheap political stunt to get votes as an “October surprise.”
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:29 pm