The War On Christmas Has Begun!
And, much like with real wars, the War Powers Act is totally disregarded. Catholic League President Bill Donohue has made the declaration.
(h/t RightWingWatch)
For almost three decades, there has been a Christmas parade in Amelia, Ohio, a village outside Cincinnati. But this year there will be none. That’s because one person complained, village solicitor Laura Abrams. Her complaint: the word “Christmas.” In response, the village changed the name to the “Holiday Parade,” though it did not say what holiday was being celebrated. Understandably, this dishonest scheme created a furor, the result being–just to play it safe–there will be no parade.
There will be no Christmas tree this year on the Capitol lawn in Frankfort, Kentucky. The word “Christmas” was deemed offensive. Instead, there will be a “Holiday Tree.” The official line is that the “Holiday Tree” is inclusive of Thanksgiving, Christmas, Hanukkah and New Year’s, though no one has ever heard of a “Thanksgiving Tree,” “Hanukkah Tree” or “New Year’s Tree.”
That’s just a couple of examples of how the culture, and the Catholic League promises there’ll be more where that came from.
Make no mistake about it: The declared enemy of these cultural fascists is religious speech, and they will stop at nothing to censor it. Stay tuned—we’re only in early November.
There’s a whole bunch of people in this country, especially in the south, who need to learn that the United States is not governed by their pet religion, and we should keep slamming that fact into their fat piggy faces until they get the message.
flap Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
You consider one of the bedrock cultural elements of America’s tradition to be a “pet religion”?
The idea that government should be completely non-secular is preposterous. I don’t advocate a theocracy by far, but recognizing God (or even Christ, for that matter) does not interfere with any establishment of religion.
Just because it OFFENDS you libs that we live in a country with a rich tradition of Christianity is y’all’s problem.
michael Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Nothing wrong with calling it a “Christmas tree” as long as minority religions like Judaism are also represented with a “Hanukkah menora.” While Christianity may be the majority religion and Christmas a widely celebrated holidy, it doesn’t mean that everybody practices it. The government can feel free to join in the celebration as long as it isn’t showing favoritism, thus why I believe that a “Holiday parade” is a more appropriate and inclusive term. I do agree that the term “Christmas tree” is fine, however, and we don’t need to be shy about saying the word Christmas.
TDro319 Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
“Just because it OFFENDS you libs that we live in a country with a rich tradition of Christianity is y’all’s problem.”
The only people who “have a problem” with this Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays thing are Bill Donohue, Bill O’Reilly (who started the “war on Christmas” and apparently you.
I think the vast majority of Americans have much more important issues to worry about than this “war on Christmas”.
flap Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
“Bill Donohue, Bill O’Reilly (who started the “war on Christmas” and apparently you”
Hmm…strange that Alan would bring up a subject that only three people care about. I guess I’m more important than I thought…
“I think the vast majority of Americans have much more important issues to worry about than this “war on Christmas”.”
Actually, how’s about constipated, uptight complainers like Laura Abrams NOT complain about a non-issue like a Christmas parade and then there wouldn’t be a “war.”
TDro319 Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Actually it’s YOU who is a constipated, uptight complainer for whining over something so inane as a “war on Christmas”.
Perhaps you can get a jump on O’Reilly and start a “war on cam shafts”
flap Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
“Actually it’s YOU who is a constipated…”
I took a laxative…I’m good now.
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
“…one of the bedrock cultural elements…”
Look, bumblehead, there is no one religion in the US, and your southern Baptist freak-o-zoids have as much in common with Boston Catholics as Bozo the Clown has in common with the Pope.
flap Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
“there is no one religion in the US”
Did I say there was, noobcake?
“your southern Baptist freak-o-zoids have as much in common with Boston Catholics as Bozo the Clown has in common with the Pope”
Those are funny lines, but who cares? I’m pro-Christianity in whatever form it is.
burqa Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
“… There is no such animal as an effort to infringe on the Freedom of Religion. …”
Sorry, FB, but there is.
There are plenty who wish to silence Christians and prevent them from stating their views.
Granted, sometimes my fellow Christians could use a better sense of discretion, but that does not warrant the over-reaction by some who do not want to hear anything Christians have to say at all and do not want them to be able to air their views…
thelma ritter Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
“Just because it OFFENDS you libs that we live in a country with a rich tradition of Christianity is y’all’s problem.” claims someone who refers to him/herself as “flap” [as in "jack" or "doodle"?];
first of all, don’t call me a “lib” just because all your lords of talk radio tell you to; if you must try to insult me [popgun v. sherman tank], at least use your own ammo, however depleted your mental armory.
second, since you don’t know me, you couldn’t possibly know what problems i might have with Christianity. on the other hand, you have demonstrable problems with abstract thought. this idiotic war on christmas is not about offending people, it’s about offending the constitution and the crucial separation of church and state, which defends your right to march around with your pious-windbag associates, carrying posters that say “God Hates Fags”. would you give up that holy crusade just to see a banner saying “Merry Christmas” hanging over city hall?
by the way, God slept with merv griffin for YEARS!
flap Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Good job, you get an A for the day! “Flap” is short for “flapjack,” as in a pancake, you lib!
“carrying posters that say “God Hates Fags”.”
Are you trying to equate the insane Westboro people with “normal” right-wingers, you lib? Your argument has no merit since you made that outlandish comparison.
“the crucial separation of church and state”
Does this “crucial separation” involve governmentally-sanction atheism? Church = a sect, not belief in God, you lib.
burqa Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
No, it means the government isn’t supposed to support religion.
That’s why it was left out of the Preamble to the Constitution.
“The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.”
- Thomas Jefferson
flap Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
“No, it means the government isn’t supposed to support religion.”
http://www.nationalcathedral.org/
I wasn’t aware that all faiths use very Christian-looking cathedrals.
Thomas Jefferson’s Second Inaugural Address:
“I shall need, too, the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessaries and comforts of life; who has covered our infancy with His providence and our riper years with His wisdom and power, and to whose goodness I ask you to join in supplications with me that He will so enlighten the minds of your servants, guide their councils, and prosper their measures that whatsoever they do shall result in your good, and shall secure to you the peace, friendship, and approbation of all nations.”
November 4th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Wowza Rocky….You are proof that not all Liberals are “Bleeding Heart Liberals!”
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Well I’m more of a kick the enemy in the teeth then throw them the hell off the roof kind of a Liberal.
Meals on Wheels? Hey, that’s great stuff. And if you run over a radical rightwing extremist on the way to your next delivery that’s okay too.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
“Holiday Parade”
C’mon, that’s just idiocy. The two holidays that create the “holiday season” are Hanukkah and Christmas. Why is it idiotic to defend very important religious elements of our culture?
jasperjava Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
There’s also New Year’s Day. That’s why Bill O’Reilly screeching, foaming apoplectic fits over the “Happy Holidays” greeting is so insane. “Happy Holidays” recognizes that not everybody is Christian, and that even Christians celebrate more than just Christmas at that time of year.
michael Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Exactly, Jasper. When it’s called a “holiday parade,” Jewish members of the community are more likely to feel welcome and included, for example. There’s nothing wrong with having overtly Christian (say, a local church group) and overtly Jewish (local synagogue) parts of the parade as long as all are included.
OldLefty Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I ALWAYS said “merry Christmas”, and a few years ago, after hearing clips of Bill O’Reilly , I almost stopped saying it because, I thought, ‘This guy actually makes Merry Christmas, sound more like, F You, or like Jon Stewart later put it, “In your face Jewboy”!….very belligerent and hostile.’
Anyway, then I figured I was not going to let the likes of Bill O’Reilly effect me one way or another.
flap Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
“That’s why Bill O’Reilly screeching, foaming apoplectic fits over the “Happy Holidays” greeting is so insane.”
Not really…it’s representative of the debasement of our heritage through secularization of Christmas. It’s more than just including Jewish people, which is fine by me. It’s trying to secularize it.
How about this:
“Merry Christmas” and “Happy Hanukkah” and forget everything else? Those are the reasons for the season, right?
I’m gonna start saying “‘HOLIDAYS’ MY A$$! MERRY F’ING CHRISTMAS!”
OldLefty Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Exactly what I said, they make it sound ugly and hateful.
I remember about 30 years ago, when my Grandama called it the Holiday season because she said it started with Thanksgiving, then the time between Christmas and New Years was for visiting and seeing other people’s trees.
I think money has been the reasons for the season, for a very long time now.
Of course the REAL movement towards “holidays” is capitalism, (as told to me by a CVS manager), whereby “Holiday Season” means people will buy Thanksgiving crap right before Halloween, and if you get them to think of a “season”, they might start looking for the Christmas crap too.
If I thought it was worth annoying those in the outrage manufacturing industry, I would say, “Happy Christoquanzika.”
Actually, “‘HOLIDAYS’ MY A$$! MERRY F’ING CHRISTMAS!”, sounds more “Islamofascist” than Christian.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
As an Atheist I feel that all sides are getting out of control in regards to this. There is nothing wrong with Christmas parades or Christmas trees. There is nothing wrong with saying Happy Holidays. Christmas, weather you are a Christian or not, is part of the American tradition. We need to figure out how to handle these issues in an inclusive way without whitewashing our entire culture into a politically correct, sterile doldrum that is offensive in its inoffensiveness.
Rocky the Liberal Rottweiler Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
“There is nothing wrong with Christmas parades…”
On a public thoroughfare? What gives them the right to engage in religious rituals on a public street paid for and maintained by my tax money?
Let them go rent a damn parking lot somewhere.
placefield Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Nothing wrong with a Christmas parade, or a Hanaka parade, or a Ramadan parade, or a Dussehra parade, or a Vesak parade. You need to relax, acceptance is key.
placefield Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Should say hanukkah parade, my appologies.
jasperjava Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:34 am
No need to apologize. I’ve seen that word spelled at a half dozen ways. That’s what happens when you translate Hebrew into the Latin alphabet.
GuidoVanHorn Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 10:38 am
if they fill out the application and pay the fees for security to hold a parade…what’s the big deal?
I’m sure Mets fans hate it when the Yankees get their victory parade, but they don’t petition to shut down the parade.
flap Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
“We need to figure out how to handle these issues in an inclusive way without whitewashing our entire culture into a politically correct, sterile doldrum that is offensive in its inoffensiveness.”
Very well said.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Interesting that the bible says no trees in the house.
Since we know that Jesus wasn’t born anywhere near the solstice, what’s the big deal?
placefield Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
It is funny, Christmas in not purely a Christian holiday no matter what they tell you. The early church knew that it would be easier to sell people on Christianity if they combined there holidays with existing ones. It is generally accepted that the Christmas tree has pagan origins, the date was probably to coincide with the winter festivals, and even gift giving probably came from Roman Saturnalia.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Normally I am pretty Liberal, but I really take exception to the attack on religion. Our forefathers fled intolerent nations to found a place where all persons could practice their faith. I can understand how some people get tired of the non stop attention given to something they don’t believe in. That said I offer this. Christmas is a time for charity, hope and giving. It sure would be nice if we would feel that way about our fellow man all the time. Christians and especially catholics have built countless churches, orphanages, hospitals and schools in the name of God. How can that be a bad thing? Mother Theresa had no worldly possessions, but she cared for the sick, the hungry and poor.
I don’t think those good people ringing a bell next to a kettle have some hidden agenda. You will find so many faiths celebrating their faith by trying to make the world a better place.
When I was young my catholic school class went on a feild trip to the Father Bakers home in Lackawanna NY. At this place, horribly disfigured children who suffered serious birth defects were care for and loved. I personaly don’t have the courage to do the type of work the sisters at that place were doing.
You may be an athiest, but I think everyone can agree that the end result of faith can do wonderful things.
If that makes me an idiot, then so be it
Amen
OldLefty Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I really don’t think their is an attack on religion, outside of taxpayer sphere.
Most lefties I know including myself give to the Salvation Army.
I think this is just manufactured outrage to fill TV time.
What never gets covered is, that Bogeyman of Right Wing World (the point is the gist, I am NOT asking ANYONE to read this whole thing):
The ACLU has taken many cases protecting religious freedom:
Here’s about 5% of the list, one only has to google to link to the cases.
The ACLU of Rhode Island (2003) interceded on behalf of an interdenominational group of carolers who were told they could not sing Christmas carols on Christmas Eve to inmates at the women’s prison in Cranston, Rhode Island.
The ACLU of Southern California (2008) filed suit on behalf of members of a faith-based charity organization after park rangers threatened to arrest the members for serving hot meals and distributing Bibles to the homeless on Doheny State Beach.
The ACLU of Louisiana (2008) filed a brief before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit supporting an individual’s right to quote Bible verses on public streets in Zachary, Louisiana.
The ACLU of Wisconsin (2007) filed a friend-of-the-court brief arguing that individual pharmacists should be able to refuse to fill prescriptions that violate their religious scruples, provided that patients can obtain prescriptions from willing providers in a safe and timely manner.
The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) defended the right of an elementary school student who was prohibited from singing “Awesome God” in a voluntary, after-school talent show for which students selected their own material. The ACLU submitted a friend-of-the-court brief. After a favorable settlement was reached for the student, the federal lawsuit was dismissed.
The ACLU of Louisiana (2006) prevailed in its lawsuit defending the right of a Christian man to exercise his religious and speech rights by protesting against homosexuality in front of a Wal-Mart store with a sign that read: “Christians: Wal-Mart Supports Gay Marriage and Gay Lifestyles. Don’t Shop There.”
The ACLU of Nevada (2006) defended the free exercise and free speech rights of evangelical Christians to preach on the sidewalks of Las Vegas. When the County government refused to change its unconstitutional policy, the ACLU filed suit in federal court.
The ACLU and the ACLU of Texas(2008) filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the Texas Supreme Court in support of mothers who had been separated from their children by the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services (DFPS). The DFPS seized more than 450 children from their homes in Eldorado, Texas following vague allegations about child abuse by some members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. While fully supporting the state’s commitment to protecting children from abuse, the ACLU argued that Texas law and the U.S. Constitution required that the children be returned unless the state could provide the requisite evidence of abuse. Neither Texas law nor the U.S. Constitution allows the state to separate children and their parents based on purported cultural harm alone or on the state’s disapproval of the families’ religious beliefs. In May 2008, the Texas Supreme Court unanimously ruled, consistent with the ACLU position, that the state must return the children to their homes pending further investigation of allegations of abuse.
The ACLU of Florida (2007) argued in favor of the right of Christians to protest against a gay pride event held in the City of St. Petersburg. The City had proposed limiting opposition speech, including speech motivated by religious beliefs, to restricted “free speech zones.” After receiving the ACLU’s letter, the City revised its proposed ordinance.
The ACLU of Oregon (2007) defended the right of students at a private religious school not to be pressured to violate their Sabbath day by playing in a state basketball tournament. The Oregon School Activities Association scheduled state tournament games on Saturdays, the recognized Sabbath of students and faculty of the Portland Adventist Academy. The ACLU argued that the school’s team, having successfully made it to the tournament, should not be required to violate their religious beliefs in order to participate.
The ACLU of West Virginia (2007) sued on behalf of a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) university student who won a prestigious scholarship to West Virginia University. Although the state scholarship board provided leaves of absence for military, medical, and family reasons, it denied the ACLU’s client a leave of absence to serve on a 2-year mission for his church. The ACLU filed a religious freedom claim in federal court.
The ACLU of North Carolina (2007) challenged a North Carolina Department of Corrections policy making all religious services in prison English-only, thereby denying access to many inmates. The North Carolina Division of Prisons agreed to review the policy and the need for religious services in languages other than English in the state correctional system.
The ACLU of Texas (2006) filed a friend-of-the-court brief in support of a Christian pastor and his faith-based rehabilitation facility in Sinton, Texas. The ACLU of Texas urged the court to reverse a decision that prohibited the pastor from operating his rehabilitation program near his church and also sharply limited the reach of the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA).
The ACLU of Nevada (2006) defended the free exercise and free speech rights of evangelical Christians to preach on the sidewalks of Las Vegas. When the County government refused to change its unconstitutional policy, the ACLU filed suit in federal court.
The ACLU of Louisiana (2006) reached a favorable settlement on behalf of a student teacher who objected to classroom prayers and other religious activitiesled by her supervising teacher. After she voiced disagreement with her supervisor’s unconstitutional practice of telling children how to pray, the student teacher received a failing grade and was not permitted to graduate from the teaching program. Under the settlement obtained by the ACLU of Louisiana, the university removed the failing grade and allowed the student to complete her graduation requirements.
The ACLU and its affiliates (1999-2006) have been instrumental supporters of the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA), which gives religious organizations added protection in erecting religious buildings and enhances the religious freedom rights of prisoners and other institutionalized persons. The ACLU worked with a broad coalition of organizations to secure the law’s passage in 2000. After the law was enacted, the ACLU (2005) defended its constitutionality in a friend-of-the-court brief before the United States Supreme Court and the ACLU of Virginia (2006) opposed a challenge to the law before the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals.
The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2005) defended the rights of two teenage girls who, for religious reasons, sought to wear anti-abortion t-shirts to school after school officials threatened to punish them.
The ACLU of New Mexico (2005) helped release a street preacher who had been incarcerated in Roosevelt County jail for 109 days. The case was brought to the ACLU by the preacher’s wife and was supported by the American Family Association.
OldLefty Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
I really don’t think their is an attack on religion, outside of taxpayer sphere.
Most lefties I know including myself give to the Salvation Army.
I think this is just manufactured outrage to fill TV time.
What never gets covered is, that Bogeyman of Right Wing World (the point is the gist, I am NOT asking ANYONE to read this whole thing):
I have over 12 pages of court cases that the ACLU filed for religious freedom, like this one:
The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) defended the right of an elementary school student who was prohibited from singing “Awesome God” in a voluntary, after-school talent show for which students selected their own material. The ACLU submitted a friend-of-the-court brief. After a favorable settlement was reached for the student, the federal lawsuit was dismi$$ed
(I tried to post 18 examples, and they will not go thru; I just cannot go through all ALL of them looking for ONE that has a letter combo that resembles a “bad” word.)
luv2lift48 Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Also a little known fact.The ACLU went to bat for Rush Limbaugh during his drug “problem” days. They worked very hard, and rightly so to protect the privacy of Rushes medical records. I don’t listen to the show, but I wonder if he made any hay over that? My guess is that it was, at very least, uncomfortable to him.
OldLefty Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Don’t know if it’s true, but I heard he doesn’t talk about them anymore.
burqa Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
“I think this is just manufactured outrage to fill TV time”
That is all it is.
It’s more fear and another example of hypocricy by those who claim to support the Constitution.
Classic wedge-issue politics…
flap Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
“At this place, horribly disfigured children who suffered serious birth defects were care for and loved. I personaly don’t have the courage to do the type of work the sisters at that place were doing.”
Exactly…even most religious people don’t have the altruism and the love for others to do stuff like that. God bless them. I couldn’t.
So we should tell Richard Dawkins, et. al. to blow it out their behinds. Religion does, pardon the pun, a HELL of a lot of good.
This “Happy Holidays” thing is just representative of the struggle between secular values (if there are any) and non-secular, religious values. Men are evil. God is not.
burqa Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Flap, Christians don’t need the government to do good.
The values reflected in the “Happy Holidays” thing are those which are shared by people who do not wish to exclude others from a good time, that’s all.
We may celebrate Christmas all we want.
Funny thing, though.
The same people who object to the government doing something not explicitly spelled out in the Constitution are hell-bent and determined to practice a holy day not given to believers in the Bible….
November 4th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
I am proud to be a Chriistian and my faith is between me and God. It is also between me and like-minded believers.
My faith requires me to be respectful of others so I do not not want my government pushing my beliefs on others nor do I want to be rude and give them the hard-sell myself.
The Constitution is clear that there is to be no government favor shown to any group and there are to be no religious tests for political candidates. Unfortunately, some of my fellow believers try to sneak around those prohibitions.
It is unseemly.
To presume God Almighty needs some rinky-dink government or otherwise He’ll be ineffective is a confession of weakness or lack of faith…
November 4th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
here ya go lefty..easily googled story..but I chose the FOX story.. I know how you love Irony there bro http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108140,00.html
November 4th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
As I understand it the word “Atheist” means people think they can prove there is no God while “Agnostic” is the term for what I hear many express. They simply don’t know, it’s a big question mark.
Well if those are the definitions perhaps I am Agnostic. I believe that there is not God but I can’t prove that any more then anybody else can prove there isn’t. In the realm of scientific proof it is a big question mark.
placefield Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Man, typo city by me today. Should read; I believe that there is no God but I can’t prove that any more the anybody else can prove there is.
placefield Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Was Eric booted from the site? All of his comments seem to be deleted. My post here in response to one of his that is no longer here.
flap Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
“Was Eric booted from the site?”
I hope not…I enjoy his rantings and his passion, even if some of them are a little far.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
I think conservatives would feel better if Christmas was referred to by the previous name of “Saturnalia” and were made aware that the yule log, the gift-giving, the decorated tree, the single candles in the window and other stuff are all part of the pagan rituals practiced in ancient times.
The early church could not get them to stop, so they jus changed the name of the holiday and plopped some Christian stuff on it.
The Romans used to have orgies as part of the celebrations….
November 4th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Romans rawk
burqa Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
They sure knew how to party!
I mean, when you have a house built and instruct the architect to include a vomitorium, for when you have too much fun,,,,,,,,,
Hope for Change Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
A vomitorium is simply an exit cut into the seats of a theater. I suppose that would be fun to have one in ones house though, but not for what it sounds like.
burqa Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
HUH?
Spoilsport…
November 4th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
I hear ya FB..examples..The Spanish Inquistion, the crusades. But one must not confuse faith with religion
November 4th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
The irony to the “war on Christmas” is that Jesus was most likely never born in December. The winter solstace pagan holiday was made into a Christian holiday, so there’s really nothing to celebrate after all. But if people want to parade around about it like it’s real, go ahead, I don’t think that should be stopped. Even skinheads and KKK members have the right to parade around like idiots.
luv2lift48 Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Oh…you will SO be visited by three spirits
jasperjava Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
You guys are KILLING me.
BWA HA HA HA HA HAAAA!!!!
Happy Kwanzaa to all.
burqa Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
What jasper said (except the killing part. Jesus would have been against that…)
crh3e Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
sorry I came off like Scrooge. Actually it’s the opposite for me. For instance, I know all the stuff with religion is mostly bs but if that is what brings families together, then whatever I’m cool with that. I’m looking at the bigger picture really. I don’t get offended by the word “Christmas.” Give me a break, we have already enough problems in the world. People that get offended by “Christmas” have no life and are looking for things to get offended towards.
crh3e Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
but if you think about what would Jesus have to say about our modern-day Christman holiday, he would most likely be burning trees and presents because he would hate to see corporations and companies making profits on a supposed holiday…..kinda like that whole deal with overthrowing the money-changers’ tables in the temple. He would rather us give gifts from the heart.
flap Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Christmas trees are pagan. Who cares? It’s been incorporated into the tradition of Christmas.
Especially if you’re not deluded like the rest of us mind-numbed God-believers, why do you care exactly how a holiday and its trimmings arose?
crh3e Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
flap, you are misreading me entirely……I don’t care that’s the point. Merry Christmas and many more to you (seriously)!
November 4th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Dig the pic!!!
November 4th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
I don’t think religious debate is very fruitful.
If people don’t agree, they frequently end up being rude to each other and thinking less of the other one for not sharing their belief.
I think people for the most part should leave others alone when it comes to faith, whether they are believers or not….
November 4th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
You can knock Christmas all you want. The argument is moot to me because (see my facebook). I have a three year old grandaughter. So you see..Through her, not only do I believe in Christmas, but also magic, and that a kitten can understand whatever you say to it. Again.
Merry Christmas,
and you don’t know what you’re missing
Daddio Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Merry Christmas.
The tradition of gift giving is rooted in the Maji offering gifts to the baby Jesus.
I have a four and three year old granddaughter and a two year old grandson. I know what you are saying Lub2lift48.
Merry Christmas.
November 5th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Alan–Jesus would never call his followers idiots, nor would he call any human an idiot.
That is rather offensive that you would put that comment with a likeness of Jesus.
jasperjava Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Actually, if you’d read the New Testament you’d know that Jesus was always scolding and rebuking his disciples. He often calls them “men of little faith”, and so on.
Never mind the names that he called the Pharisees.
TDro319 Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
“Jesus would never call his followers idiots”
And. by the way, Jesus would never start unnecessary wars, or kill abortion doctors, or trash the POTUS for wanting to help the poor. You should really expand your research a bit. You’ll find Jesus acted more like a liberal than a conservative.
flap Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
TDro, do you think Christ would have supported abortion? Do you honestly think that? Didn’t He says something about people bothering children were better off not born?
I hate to thump, but:
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you…”
Jeremiah 1:5
And would Christ have advocated the GOVERNMENT to help out the poor? Why not individuals and HIS church?
burqa Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
“Alan–Jesus would never call his followers idiots, nor would he call any human an idiot”
Jesus said those who went around praying in public, trying to impress people with their piety “hypocrites.”
November 5th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Isn’t Christmas a federal holiday?
November 5th, 2009 at 10:32 am